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Dr. John and Lauren talk Power and Purpose (Patreon)

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Chiara

I would love to hear ideas on the Jon Benet Ramsey case. I cannot get past the kidnapping note being written in the house from items used from the house. Also, Patsy was a beauty queen, and appearances meant so much to her. She would not wear the same clothes from the day before to travel. Please tell me I am looking at this wrong??

Linda

Dr John and Lauren, I've been away for awhile. I like this first question. It questions the need people feel to be overly competitive. The drive to be on top, no matter who the harm, ie Ruby Franke and Jody Hildebrandt or Chad andLori Daybell. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but this is the take on it that I see. I love how you delve into a particular subject and put it out there in a way that makes sense of a confusing path some people take. Thank you. You guys are fantastic and I love being a Gem.

Becky (Rebecca Randall)

I go back to that idea that life isn't pie, like just cause I get something doesn't take a piece from you - and Gen X and older weren't raised with that mentality, things were "given" so it's easy for them to fall into the trap of thinking they are losing cause others get some.

JenAus

Great topic. Thoroughly enjoying it but back at work now so I’ll finish listening later 👍

CB1

Thank you for this thought-provoking conversation. I always appreciate John’s perspective and Lauren’s curiosity. Some day, I d love to hear Dr. John’s thoughts on powerful women in our American society. I’ve heard it discussed - the male/female power differential in the Mormon Church in prior discussions and how may contribute to an increase in female crime. But masculine and feminine POWER have different measurements. What elements define “healthy” power for American women? What could we do better at? What would a best-case scenario of how you might see powerful men and powerful women functioning alongside one another?

Ruth Claessens

We have Rights and Freedoms for all in Canada.

Ruth Claessens

How do compare these American issues to Canadian issues?

Sharon Ashcraft

So many alcoholics in Native Americans very sad. Also so many beautiful people and customs and art also.

Sharon Ashcraft

We have heard Quote He who died with the most things wins.

Jeana Taylor

The power and needing to be better than everyone reminds me of my sister.

Paula Marie Cornell

Thank you for sitting at the table with us. This is wonderful tonight . Be blessed !

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Hi Lauren and John. Catching up on listening. My husband's mom passed away. Been busy making funeral arrangements. Thinking of you and your family

Paula Marie Cornell

Where your treasure is ~ that also is where your heart lies Treasure can equal power or material belongings . Also that those who feel so profoundly powerless try to become powerful . Just things floating in my thoughts as this convo goes.

Paula Marie Cornell

I could feel such relaxation for you both! It was lovely.

JenAus
>>163648922

Deepest condolences to you and your husband and family. 💕

JenAus

I love these Wednesday episodes! Thanks Lauren and John! Enjoy the new car. Cars, like houses, are a necessity. There’s a difference between having something because you need it vs having everything because you want it. I too just bought a new car because my old one was, frankly, rooted (excuse the Aussie slang). But I’m grateful for it, I’ve worked hard for it and I will keep it for a long time, as I did my last one. Looking forward to next week!!

Cotton~Carolyn

Wow, this is a very hard question to answer. Thank you for your thoughts. I agree Lauren, having new and nice things are nice, but yes we can enjoy nice and still be ethical. It comes with what our morals are, and if we allow our success to over turn our morals then we change what we stand for. But if we are thankful for the material things in our life, but know it's just things, we can stay good.

Cotton~Carolyn
>>163655076

I feel if you keep righteous and moral people around you to keep you honest, you can have both.

Terrie
>>163650380

I’m so happy for you. Congratulations on your new wheels, America slang.🚙💎

Shannon Farrey

I appreciate this thoughtful conversation, especially given current world events.

Robin Murray

So cool that you brought up "The Ring of Gyges", it reminds me of covert narcissism, and people who use covert methods to harm others. These people think that lying creates a level of invisibility, but prosecutors and investigators seek the truth and justice, which brings this topic back to True Crime.

Kay Louise

“I have absolute power” reminds me of a line from ET. Power is interesting. It depends on the situation I guess. Your Son is gaining independence but I bet he will always be a Mama’s boy. Mine was. He loved his Dad and doing things with his Dad but I think at the end of the day he always wanted reassurance and love. He knew no matter what Mom would handle whatever situation and I am glad he knew that. As for why humans want power, I think it is about control. Control people, situations and in true crime it backfires. They want control of money, children (fighting over them in divorce) spouses, sex, relationships. It goes on and on. What gets me is power in these situations get people in way to deep and they land in prison. No freedom, absolutely no power and behind bars. The Lori and Jodi’s of the world should be right where they are. Behind bars. Power in business and politics is another story but I have to believe I would rather have someone who can handle it than someone who can’t. Power sometimes commands respect. Respect can be very important sometimes. I think as I get older and hopefully smarter from living that power is not always necessary. Sometimes patience and resilience is necessary. Not brut force or money. Material things can be necessary but the one thing I have learned is we come into this world with nothing materially and we go out the same way. It is important to think of what is left when we go. What people will remember. What we left behind. What is important? Is the power we wield important? In history it is. Material things will come and go, they provide us comfort, knowledge, transportation and we need these to be dependable but when we let material objects corrupt they become a bad thing. Like power used wrong can be bad. Kind of boils down to anything can be used for good and bad. Stay true and be a light. In all the true crime we listen to it is hard to see the good, but there is. Yes, I miss a good laugh but it is good to talk about the things that we ponder. Stay safe and take care.

Christine Balog

My theory is more women follow True Crime than men because we need to learn from it more so since we are the ones that are more likely to be the victims of a violent crime. It irks me when men say, "look out, she's a true crime fan. She might murder you in your sleep," When it's actually the exact opposite. I'm learning what to look for and stay the hell away from. But I also think that it's somewhat instinctual for humans to want to fix or at least observe the outcomes of violent events, be it a murder or a plane crash. I believe as a social species we feel a need to fix the problem; like ants rushing out to fix damage done to their ant hill. Or, if not that, we want to atleadt learn from the situation both individually and collectively to ensure it doesn't happen to us or doesn't happen again. Instincts that I think have helped to fuel our advancement as a species... Sorry for the essay! You just got me thinking, which is why I love you guys so much! Thanks for all you do!

LLemon
>>163738364

I agree with this. For me, it’s also about my love of human behavior. I like human stories so that includes the negative ones. I’ve been listening to Mormon Stories podcast as well because hearing how people moved on from their high demand religion (I grew up in one too, not Mormon through) is interesting to me. How we got here, where we’ll go next, how people react to the behavior…it’s all interesting. For example, the way people rally for certain convicted individuals; why? Love it. 😂

D. Haskins

I love the indigenous angle, just love it! There is a indigenous "constitution " in Robin Wall Kimmerer Braiding Swwetgrasd. It made me cry, how we westerners can miss the big picture.

TMac

You know what else happened in the 70s? The prosperity gospel. Preachers no longer preaching "the meek shall inherit the earth" but that God bestows riches on his favored disciples. Secular teachings too, with the popularity of The Secret etc. Manifesting boards filled with images of expensive cars and diamond rings. Why is no one trying to manifest world peace or children with full belly's I've always wondered? Is spirituality mirroring voracious American Capitalism or inspiring it?

Betty Happschatt

Mama's or Papa's boy? Isn't it just like walking? We can't move if we lean on the same leg all the time.

Tammy G

Wow just 25 mins in and this would take me weeks to digest all that John and Lauren are discussing. Thank you both.

BookMisser

As a scientist I definitely find the most compelling argument atm one that includes the acceleration of global warming. With the 20-30yr window for AMOC shutdown. That has sweeping implications for staple crops like wheat. I won’t talk about that except to say that pondering that and my role as a guardian and a community member I try and keep myself open to different sources of fun. Like I see ads and grew up driving but I also love biking and living now without a car. We are so much more creative than we think and we can come up with enjoyment including but also beyond what is marketed to us. Things are changing fast now and they won’t slow down in my babies lifetime. I want to stay open to changing for the community that I love. i want to stay inventive about how to treasure moments in whatever context supports life and living.

BookMisser

Nice to listen to as usual. I have two two year olds and a day job as a data scientist so listening to conversations is big atm. Hello to other folks who don’t have as many adult conversations :). When I think about absolute power I definitely think parenting can go to your head. I think a lot about being a temporary guardian. Making choices and providing safety and structure until they can slowly take the reins. I think you see those mini-absolute power vignettes in a lot of popular trials.

Vala Hauksdóttir

I was wondering when you guys will be releasing the Delphi series?

Rebecca Hayes

Haven’t finished the episode yet, but I think lots of people in today’s society lack a sense of community. They only know how to make moves for themselves as an individual instead of as a group or community. People who seek power who surround themselves with “yes men” are especially problematic, IMO.

Rebecca Hayes

Also, can we get some merch that says “go dark or go home”. 😂 I would buy that in a heartbeat.

Tammy Morgan
>>163825220

I’m a loving person. I’m a spiritual person. I’ve been poor. What is odd is I see my church going through what you describe but I did not see it in myself. Thank you for this comment! And thank you Lord for speaking to me through it. ❤️

Tammy Morgan
>>163738364

The Mormon church is very interesting. And it has a lot of power in this country. Which would be an interesting topic. I’ve listened to several of the Mormon Stories Podcasts but the man is obsessed with “self pleasure” and it’s hard to take him serious bc of it. His guests are great.

Tammy Morgan

My kids didn’t get the opportunity to be “daddy’s “ as his time while alive, was not sober. But talk about power, in the sense of life changing -a man of wisdom, integrity and compassion cannot only change children lives it also influences those who witness it. A man’s role in the family is so underrated. We blame the man, and especially the white man, for all worldly flaws. We have spent decades trying to remove the power and influence from their being. The Bible dictates the role of men. We see clearly the results of communities that are fatherless. What did we do as a society to help these familes? Did we provide protection? Did we provide compassion? Educate them? NO- we gave them $ per child and called it welfare. Minimum wage. Then we broke our arms patting ourselves on the back. In my opinion, it has been the greatest tragedy of our times.

Matt B

Love the talk. I love the insight Dr. John provides about why women like true crime more, but more men do like it than I feel people realize. And I think men are shy about admitting it. I think because a lot of the perpetrators of these crimes are males - more male voices who have the capacity for insight, and cognitive empathy, would fill in the gaps in the community's mental maps of crimes and understanding the perpatrators. I am not saying the male perpetrators need to be excused, far from it; they deserve punishment, but if we place harsh moral judgements on them (which I feel exceeds it's necessisty because of the lack of male voices in this important space), we limit the mental maps we can construct of these tragic situations - we also contribute to dehmunizing them. Just advocating for more male voices in the community! As long as they can stay civilized.

Margaret Hartley

This is fascinating. When my father retired to Wyoming I was privileged to meet and learn from Lakota Elders and sisters there. My Papa is gone now but I try to keep the lessons alive. I have a little stone. Works for me