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PATREON EXCLUSIVE: Lori Daybell Interviewed by Keith Morrison | Dr. John Reacts (Patreon)

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What does Hidden True Crime think after watching Lori Vallow Daybell's first TV Interview? We tell you here! We opted for a video podcast. Let us know what you prefer, but for those who enjoy our Patreon RSS Feed for easy audio listening, you should also be able to listen to this episode on our Patreon-only podcast.

This is Lauren and I've just arrived in Phoenix. I will be attending Lori's hearing tomorrow at the Maricopa courthouse before heading back to be with my family.

Thank you everyone for your understanding during this time of loss. I've been in a sad space, but your kindness has been such a lift for me. Thank you.

Comments

Debe Hale

Hi Gems!! Can’t wait to listen!🩷

CG1

So sorry for all you are going through, with your brother and mom. 💔

Jen B

Lauren- very sorry about the loss you are dealing with. ♥️

Becky Davis

I prefer to see you & Dr. John, even with bad hair days. Who doesn’t have those? You and your family remain in my prayers! 💗🙏

Kimm Baker

Thank you so much guys! I always appreciate these with both. Of course we appreciate every moment that you give us! You have been busy Lauren!✨ Love your input Dr. John! Thank you for your time!

Kimm Baker

Her being her own defence is going to be a 💩!!!😂

Linda

Lauren, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this difficult time. You are truly a Gem. I hope that you will find comfort with your family and be blessed with their love.

Lynn Saastad

I agree that she was manic. I didn't know how it verbalize it, but manic is right on.

CG1

I’m a visual, learner. So, I like being able to, to see you guys, while you’re talking and explaining things.

Kimm Baker

I do have one question for Dr John? Lori has painted this completely false scenerio regarding Tylee being the one who killed JJ. And that it all happened the same night. What is she thinking about the evidence? She knows how the children were found? WE know there is extreme violence with Tyler?? Tylee didn't do that to herself. One specialist in Chad's trial said she was beaten tortured?? We know this. How can she deny the evidence?

voyer25

thanks so much for your tireless devotion to your skills and bringing us the BEST dialog we could ever ask for. prayers go to you Lauren 🫣😵‍💫💕

Chelsea Gervan

Dr.John do you think Lori is addicted to lying? Gets pleasure out of fooling people?

Danni Hull

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. You two crack me up! I appreciate you bringing the truth and facts.

Tonella

🩷Prayers for you and your family at this difficult time! 🙏🏻Thank you taking the time to have this conversation and analysis of the interview! 🩷

Paula Marie Cornell

She values wheel of fortune, beauty pageants, and dancing with the stars!!! This is just so ick. On every level.

Lynn Saastad

"Dancing With The Stars Goes to Prison". That's hilarious!!!! Made me literally LOL!

tsblanca

ReALLY really really valued Lauren's strong confident and genuine contributions on mormon stories about this

Paula Marie Cornell

Lauren…. Would Shakespeare invest in the Lively discussion !!! lol

Elmo

Will someone like Dr John interview her for diagnosis ? Can he to write a book ?

Sue Komernicky

Welcome to my neck of the woods, Phoenix! Lauren, I hope you find peace and comfort. It is so difficult. May your memories be beautiful!

GA Wood

Lauren, I am so sorry for your loss. Keeping you and your family in my prayers.

Elmo

I agree Lauren, she is a murderer. And psychopath. All cluster B with psychosis

Krysta McNutt

Thinking of you both during this time, I’m so sorry for your loss. Take good care ❤️

Kacy Cat Artist

Manic is the perfect word!! Her face was so disturbing to look at besides her stupid pushback of denying everything!!

Elmo

She’s very similar to Charles Mansion. I doubt she murdered anyone technically but got others to do her ugly doings. I feel she has led a trail of destruction. Joe, Colby dad, boyfriends since 12 on. Broken hearts.

Renee

I prefer to see you guys!

Elmo

Is Kieth a morman ?

GA Wood

You two can do whatever you want…late, hats, pajamas, etc. Just love your conversation full of insights, education, and knowledge! Love you both so much!

Elmo

I’m very sorry Lauren what ever you’ve had to go through.

Soozie Bee

My prayers are with you and your family Lauren for your loss!! Thank you for coming on with video. No one cares if either of you are having a bad hair day, it's just so much more personal when we can see you. I appreciate it. As always, your perspectives on Lori interview are so interesting. Thank you for doing this video. Now, get some rest! Hang in there.

GA Wood

Thank you for trusting us! I love that you feel safe here!

Swannie

You both are amazing. I’ve been thinking about you both not expecting to hear as I understand the times you’re going through. 😥. However, I have so been looking forward to your take on the interview. Can’t thank you enough for all you share. Back to the interview, also feeling for Keith Morrison. I felt that they cut much out because of her ridiculous word salad and trying to get control of the narrative. On a shallow note, how is she getting money for prison commissary and did she have a hair piece in…

Alison Clark

🤣 John's 'portaaals' and Lori impressions had me laughing out loud 🤣

Carla Perkins

Take care of yourself, Lauren. Get some rest.

BECKY O

The “Keith, Keith,Keith was her attempt at flirting

kim Johnson

I’m so sorry for your loss and the difficult time of grief you’re experiencing. Thanks for giving us your time today. Take good care of yourselves right now.

Rebecca Hayes

I wonder if they might have aired more of the actual interview and less of the back story if she hadn’t been so confrontational and combative.

TexasTCMom

(((HUGS))) Lauren. It's so hard losing a brother...hard to wrap your head around. Prayers for peace and comfort for you

Laura Carson

First, I'm so sorry about your brother. It's hard to lose parents, but you think your siblings will be with you longer. Second, when I heard Lori talk about being exonerated, my mind went to Steven King's novel "The Stand". Somehow, I have a vision of Flagg (who is not Jesus, but the other guy) opening up her cell door in prison.

Debbie Fulton

MAY he rest in peace. Please take care of yourselves, thoughts and prayers for your family.

Swannie

I adore and admire Lauren’s ambition. Teehee, and yep loinfire.

Kayla Ehnat

Lauren, I am so sorry. I cannot imagine how hard this is for you and your family. Your brother sounds wonderful!

Jennifer Preston

Do you think that getting permission to interview her has anything to do with her acting as her own lawyer in the trial? Curious about the access - why now?

Kathleen Caroline

I’m so sorry for your loss. Love and prayers for you and your family.

Kathleen Caroline

Does anyone wonder how anyone is letting Lori defend herself?? She’s not living in reality and there is so much proof of that. She’ll be wasting the court’s time.

Leslyn Kraus

Lauren and Dr. John, I am so sorry for the loss you and your family are experiencing. I wish you both comfort and peace during this difficult time.

Lisa F

Love listening to you both. Family is the most important part of this life. I'm sorry for the lost you, your family and friends are going through.

Kati

I’m so sorry about your brother. I know how it feels. We lost our brother a couple years ago and we were also there with him at the end in the hospital. What is the hardest thing that it was the best thing and very peaceful and loving.The day of tears for both of us. I hope you’re able to get some rest in a store because grease is so energy draining and you and John works so hard to bring your listeners. Amazing content thank you both for that. Peace and love.

Kati
>>167372642

Some of that didn’t come out right as I am talk texting, but I hope you get the spirit of my message

Danielle G.

I think we meed shirts that say, 'I thought we were friends, Keith'

Cathy

I like seeing you guys too during your podcast. My sympathy to you, Lauren. My brother and I are all that’s left. I think the world of him. Again, sympathies to you and your family.

Theresa Miller

Condolences to you and your family. I wish you love and strength during this difficult time. Please take the time off that you need.

Kristin Taylor

Oh Lauren, I’m so sorry. Even when it’s expected, it takes your breath away. Praying for peace and comfort for your whole family.

Katie Loughmiller

The constant saying of Keith’s name over and over reminded me of an episode of Young Sheldon where after Sheldon reads a book about building relationships, he learns that addressing the person by name over and over allows you to build interpersonal relationships and view the reaction from a scientific perspective. Wonder if that was her goal??

Krista Vivenzo

I’m so sorry for your loss. My prayers are with you during this difficult time. May your brother rest in peace.

bk smith

I have heard that in prison you can make sooty black makeup from burning a Styrofoam cup and collecting the smoke in a cup as it rises. That is what Lori's eyebrows look like to me.

Kathleen Suter

Lauren prayers of grief, sadness for your loss & extreme exhaustion this past couple weeks. I for 1 totally agree about her being a total Evil Psychopath, Vile non human, most of her life too. How Colby made it thru the horror of his life with her constant CHAOS & he is thriving as a husband father , Survivor is simply amazing!

Tammy Tencza

I think we can see exactly how she’s going to question the witnesses. Keith was a great trial balloon. She was a master at redirecting the conversation and avoiding anything relevant. Lauren, I don’t know how you manage to stay so engaged during this difficult time. We appreciate your thoughts, time and dedication both of you have contributed to help us understand this case. Please take care of yourselves.

Kathleen Suter

Lauren, Dr John you are the most respected True Crime, calm, sooo smart ,as Always Determined to be Victim Advocates , ALWAYS!!!!

Kimberly Fine

Manic for sure. The way she leaned in toward Keith toward the end?! So much so that she leaned out of the fairly broad lighting they had positioned upon her

Ronald Helm

Can you talk at all about her defending herself?

Mrs. G
>>167369410

Sooooo funny! Loinfire is just the most crazy subject ever re: Chad and Lori!

JenAus

So Tom Evans’ third book is going to be called “Visions of Exoneration”?? Thank you Lauren and John. I’m mid-way through watching this and will watch the rest after work. Hope you’re doing ok Lauren. Just take it easy! 💎💕🇦🇺

CatCats4

Praying for you and your family.

Melody Peasley

So sorry for your loss. I lost my sister to cancer in 1999. It is hard now my parents are gone too and I am fighting my own cancer battle. May his memory be a blessing to you!!! As far as Lori goes I think she thinks she is a star and everyone adores her. She doesn't want her world confused by actual reality.

Mrs. G

I can’t begin to express how much I appreciate the two of you. You bring out the best in each other. Your deep dives throughout the Vallow case has helped me process through so much deep religious trauma, dysfunctional family systems, and grief for what could have been in my childhood and the train wreck I experienced due to it. I am now embracing the healing process and hopeful for my future. I am forever grateful for you both for helping me when I felt so alone. I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart. I will honor your brother Jamie (sp?) in my heart and hope you know how loved and supported you are through the grief you are experiencing.

Valerie

So sorry about your brother 💔 loss is so hard to navigate. Remembering the all the good times will help get you through.

Samantha Hawkins

Sending you so much love Lauren & John. I’m very sorry for your loss. I hope you can find some peace xx

Becky Moses-Suarez

I am so sorry for your loss! My nephew passed as a result of a head injury and became a donor a few years back. It is such a comfort to know that he saved the lives of multiple people, and I pray that you experience a measure of peace. Big hugs and mad love to you and Dr. John.

Angela Pedersen

So sorry for your loss. Sending love to you both and your family during this time.

Kimberly Fine

She didn’t call the ring purchases rumors, Dr. John. She called them ✨RuMoRs✨ (not sure how to type in Valley Girl)

Lori Ferguson

Take all the time you need. 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

Tracie Rae

Take care of yourself Lauren. Hold your family close ❤️

Linda Lu

Big hugs to you! 💜💙

Jeana Taylor

It's good to see you both laugh at Lori at 48:00

JenAus

Hey Lauren, just finished watching. Thank you and John. Anticipatory grief and grief are such that you don’t know from moment to moment what you’re doing next. There are no roadmaps or compasses to navigate by. Please don’t apologise to your gems for not being prepared or not having showered or being late … your gems truly understand and respect where you are! It takes a lot to prepare and if you’re a day, a week, a month late, so be it! We appreciate where you are right now. 👍🇦🇺💕💎

Renée Price

Lots of love and support for you , Lauren . Losing a brother , is a big deal. It just hurts , deeply . Lighting a candle and sending up prayers for your beloved Jamie . Thanks for sharing your raw emotions with us . ❤️🙏

Lisa Fowler

I think it was Meghan Conner who said Keith did as well as he could have when he was interviewing someone who “has a bag of cats in her head.” Lori clearly had her own agenda. In addition to that, she routinely dodges and meanders and outright denies even the things where there’s evidence and proof. The few times in the interview where Lori actually said something that was responsive to Keith’s question, they included it in the episode. Like all liars, she doesn’t like it when someone produces proof; however, she just continues to deny it, even when there’s proof. She lied and went on tangents even when she was talking to Colby, when she had said she wanted more than anything to tell Colby the absolute truth. I felt nostalgic listening to this tonight —I originally found you two because of your early “dining room table” coverage of this story, and I think yours has been the best coverage of this story. I’ve watched the Heather Daybell 3-part interview three times, which is something I seldom do (re-watch podcast or YouTube episodes). Always love hearing from both of you—you’re the best!! And Lauren, my heart is with you 💜

Karen Bell

I’m so sorry for your loss. Love and hugs to you all ❤️

JenAus
>>167383796

Thoughts with you Melody. May you have loving support around you! 💕

Lisa Fowler

BTW, I have really loved seeing Lauren on Mormon Stories in her recent appearances, and I love to see you both in a Netflix documentary or Dateline, or whatever. I You definitely deserve the recognition as subject matter experts, and I feel proud of you, like the rest of the world is recognizing what the Hidden Gem community has known for a long time. I think so highly of both of you.

Katie London

I prefer video,. Thank you for video over just podcast. Also my condolences. This week i hsve watched all your interviews and reports. I hope you are able to get the peace you need even with everything going on. Thoughts are with you.

BlondeGranny

Do you think Lori would have acted differently if a woman had interviewed her? Keith said that Lori seemed to have bonded with one of their female assistants.

Renée Price

I have a couple of questions. Is it true that Lori doesn’t want cameras in the courtroom for her upcoming trial ? I would have thought she’d prefer the attention , limelight it would bring ? Also, I struggle with her concept of believing that she is self important , chosen by Jesus to lead the 144,000.. yet , she sits in prison … are we all wrong and she’s the only one who knows the truth ? Do you think , Dr. John , she’ll ever snap out of it ? How can a person escape their own delusion ?

Samantha Hughes

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for taking time out of your day to cover this, especially knowing everything that is going on in your lives right now. Sending you all love and hugs. ❤️❤️

Julie Wilburn

Thank you both for this - always makes me think 💭 and I always learn something. Thank you for the glimpse on what things are like for you before what we see each week, sharing your lives make you all that more relatable- prayers for your family during this very sad time 🙏❤️

ValerieLCSW

I’m so glad you feel safe here. It does feel like we are friends. You’re my favorite ( Hidden True Crime) to listen to and even more so since I joined Patreon ! I’m so sad to hear about your loss of your brother and I really care about you and your family. I enjoyed hearing what your family does on everyone’s birthday about saying the things you love about that person. I love that you did it as you surrounded him as he passed. Thank you for sharing that. I’m going to start that tradition at our birthdays in our family. 🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻

Dave Carroll

Now you mention it, that is a Kouri Richie's hairstyle. 😁 Thank you for doing this video. You didn't need to but we appreciate it. Sorry for the loss of your brother.

Charly Williams

Condolences to you and your family Lauren 💖. Thank you for your and Dr John’s insights on Lori despite going through this difficult time x

Lenny Wen

I am deeply sorry about your brother, Lauren. Thank you and Dr. John. Please take care♥️

Vala Hauksdóttir

My condolences to you Lauren and your family may he rest in peace 🤍🕊️

Maryanne Smith

Dr John’s impersonation of valley girl Lori saying “PORTALS” had me lol

Elmo

M

Elmo

I very much enjoy video podcast. In fact I just don’t listen to audio at all. I would read it. I’d rather read than audio only. We’ve been spoiled by technology

Brynne Gerber

I’m so sorry to hear about your brother Lauren. Sending you both love while you grieve and also understanding during this time that things might be slower. You deserve to take care of yourself and not worry about disappointing anyone❤️ grieve as long as you need. I’m sure the other gems agree we will still be here for when you feel ready to come back to more regular programming!

Eedee

Lauren, I'm so sorry for your grief, and it sounded like a beautiful way to say goodbye. I recommend listening to the Thanatology (Grief and mourning) episodes from Ologies with Alie Ward podcast. It's really beautiful and I hope you can listen and feel a little relief.

Eedee

Yes yes yes to Baldoni/Lively case! Civil true crime!!

Basia

Replay watched. Sorry for your loss Lauren/John, losing someone special at their end of life is always difficult & a chapter that can never be filled, the older we get the harder it is to fill that emptiness of their absence, I totally feel your pain. This episode made me laugh, cry, question infact I stayed up way too late (1:41am) & looked up the definition from Oxford Languages 'Solipsism' noun 1. the quality of being very self-centred or selfish. "she herself elicits scant sympathy, such is her solipsism and lack of self-awareness" 2. Philosophy the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist. "solipsism is an idealist thesis because ‘Only my mind exists’ entails ‘Only minds exist’" What is a solipsistic person like? Someone who's solipsistic is so focused on their own wants and needs that they don't think about other people at all. You could also call a solipsistic person selfish or self-centred. Yep, that certainly fits LVD's narrative..... Goodnight & thank you both for your thoughts, analysis & educated perspectives on LVD etc, I wish I could have seen the Dateline episode unfortunately we were not able to view it, in its entirety, here in South Australia yet.

Mary Hanaki

Very interesting, even as serious as the subject is, Lauren made me laugh! Prison hair! I am a hairdresser, also my sister was an amazing psychologist. Spent a lot of time sharing these type of conversations. I always did her hair , back in the day when she was the expert on the news. You guys are very interesting, I love Lauren's interjection of humor. Much need. Mary Hanaki

Ginger

New member here… praying for you Lauren and your family. I enjoy watching your you tube very much.. cut the cord long ago trying to figure out how to watch dateline

Jax Seph

Such sad news about your brother, Lauren 😢 You and your lovely family did all you could and surrounded him with love❤️ As an aside, my sister-in-law died suddenly (13 years ago now). Her organs gave life to 3 other people and that’s what I hold on to when I think of the sadness of her passing. Sending virtual hugs to you and all members of your extended family ❤️

Cotton~Carolyn

Replay watched. I want to say so very sorry for your loss. I am so tired of listening to this woman, she killed her children, she has been convicted of it. That's all I need to know she is evil. I am glad that Charles and Bradon are holding her accountable. BUT, I am tired of her. Saying that when Ai saw Dr. John was coming on, I had to watch to get his thoughts. I trust his words most. Lauren, I hope your looking after yourself grief hits you to your core. Xo Colby was amazing, that man is truly admired. I will be glad when Lori is forgotten. Thank you for this True Hidden Crime . xo 🤗

Life_w_Lora

1. Lauren you crack me up with your various comments about Lori. I think she’s testing out some prison stock Botox or something. 2. Great insight as always. You’re absolutely right, she still thinks she’s on this mission. I wonder about Chad. Thank you for sharing your family’s journeys with us. As someone who has spent that moment with many people through the years it is an honor and a blessing for families to share that with us. Take care of yourselves in the weeks and months to come and don’t set any expectations on yourselves.

Lynnette

I’m so sorry about your brother! I remember when the accident happened, and how hard it all has been, hugs to you! Great discussion, even after such a traumatic event.💕

Lisa Langlois

I am so sorry for your loss. My brother died in a car accident, so I understand how hard that is. Take care of yourself and your family. I joined Patreon Sunday - after your Mormon Stories episode— I am grateful for all your work, professionalism, and candor. Praying for your family.

Melissa Manick

Much love to you Lauren and all the ones who loved your brother.

Lauren Brown

Sending love and good vibes to you, Lauren. Your brother was an amazing person - thanks for sharing parts of him with us.

Roberta S Treacy

Lauren, I was sorry to hear of your brother’s injury and so very sorry to hear of his passing. My wife received a heart transplant five years ago, and we are grateful every day to the donor and the donor’s family. We never forget them. We love them every day.

Genie Beanie

Lauren, and Dr. John, thank you so much for all you bring to this space . You may not realize how many people you help. I hope you will allow us as your community to hold space for you as you grieve this tragic and enduring loss. We don't expect you to be perfect ever, but especially not now. Thank you for your vulnerability and trusting us with that. Grief is so complicated, as you know. We love you, please take care of yourselves.

Kara Shelton

it's good to be giggling a bit with yall. it was such a bizarre and uncomfortable interview in general. She for sure had that stage set in her head and she had her role and tried hard to get Keith to play his correctly. So much levity to play with on this one.

TMac

I'm so sorry about your loss Lauren. I love your families not silly, but heart warming family tradition. On a less serious note, doctor John saying "portals" in a valley girl accent will give me a good chuckle for the next few days.

Carolyn Moe

I appreciate he cut out all her crap about Tylee! It just didn't leave much else. I suspect after the trials they may release the whole thing.

Carolyn Moe

She looks like she had a stroke or has Bells Palsey

Carolyn Moe

Lori is definitely not aging backwards as she told Zulema! I can say that bc I'm older than she is

Carolyn Moe

Since she's going manic, do you think her mental illness is coming back? I wonder if the judge will see it

Kim Roland

Im sorry 🥰🫶🏻🙏🏻

Kim Roland

We love you guys. This is a family!

LLemon

Lauren, sending you love and thinking of you and your family and others who loved your brother. ❤️

Carolyn Moe

Lauren, I am so sorry to hear about the passing of your brother. Sounds like y'all honored him the best way you could. My prayers are with you both and your family.💔

Carolyn Moe

The way Justin Baldoni was treated is a crime! And i would love Dr. John's perspective on her and Justin Baldoni.

Carolyn Moe

Blake Lively is another Amber Heard #metoo poser!

Carolyn Moe

Lauren, give yourself permission to focus on your brother, we all understand

Carolyn Moe

Keith Morrison 's whole we're friends thing was just to ingratiate himself to Lori so she wouldn't walk out of that interview

Sara Hei

Brand new patreon member here! So happy I signed up, you two are the best! I have been in a Hidden rabbit hole for months and it's given me so many insights into the human condition and our world. Thank you Lauren and John for what you do! Praying for you Lauren, and your family <3

Lyndsay Thompson

I have to say, I LOVE John’s Lori impression and I would love to hear a transcript reread of this interview with John as Lori and Lauren as Keith 😄

Marianna M

I'm so sorry to hear about your brother Lauren.

Lyndsay Thompson

I am SO sorry for your loss, Lauren. Take some time to rest and take care of yourself. I hope you find peace and comfort in the fact that your brother was able to save another life with his liver donation, and I’m sure the family of that recipient is eternally grateful.

Trucrimegirl

Love you guys. Part of what we love is that you are real.

Jude

I can’t stop thinking about her comment re: all the “tragedies” in her life being almost like dominoes….. that feels very close to an admission to me! How does one cause the others without someone pulling the strings?

Al Morgan

I love that our friendship is so solip!

Anne Bohannon

You could tell she had ran this interview through her head in her cell 100’s of times. It seemed like she was genuinely surprised he wasn’t eating up everything she said.

CL

I’m so sorry about your brother. I’m not a godly woman but I’ve been praying for him since the accident. 🩷

Kim Chapman

I thought the same as Lauren at the question about her seeing her kids die. Before it was her saying where was that Keith.....

Maechelle

I thought she was condescending AND stalling to come up with an answer. She didn’t see that question coming. I thought she was deflecting AGAIN. Saving time to come up with a lie. Lauren God Bless and so sorry for your time of grief.

Maechelle
>>167580246

Also, imagine this….she was there and helped with the deaths of her children and saw with her own eyes. Even she couldn’t bury those visions so deep that when asked by Keith those memories are what flashed in her mind, and she was taken aback, and stalled till she could come up with something. Maybe her word “sad” was a little closer than we know.

Maechelle

Lauren I think you’re on to something with regards to her talking out the side of her mouth. Is it possible that it’s a mannerism she’s picked up to show her distain for having to convince us mere mortals of her divine mission.

Swannie
>>167367480

I listened to the accompanying Dateline podcast “Talking Dateline” for this episode. A viewer question to Keith Morrison covers my commissary question. It is so funny…he gave very specific answers about Lori’s hair and makeup for the interview. Andrea Canning asked Keith how he knew all the details, he exclaimed “because I asked!” Hilarious. Long story short, prisoners where she is now do have access to limited types of makeup products and hair dye. She had rolled her hair overnight to get the curls. For her previous trial and court appearances, she had used candy and other items as “makeup”. I imagine much bartering to get watermelon or cherry flavored jolly ranchers.

Lori

What about the orange jumpsuit new Design. ?

Lori

Remember she the thought her Body was Perfect and see what Chad would do for her.

Lori

How Long was she married to Each husband?

Lori

I’m sorry you lost your Brother. That was a wonderful thing to do for your family.

Lori

Glad you two are together.

Maechelle

Omg listening to your Laundrie’s Confession Podcast and AGAIN with the TRAGEDY scenario same as Daybell. Whats with these freakazoids and tragedies happening to them instead of because of them. Where did they learn zero accountability? I’m not so sure the chip on their shoulder could still be blamed on childhood. I see Cher with the famous slap “Snap out of it!”

Keri

I am so sorry for your loss ♥️♥️

Nerida Conway

She looked a little like she’s had a mild stroke - with the weird side mouth talking. She looked really hard-faced, harsh. And they clearly let her curl her hair which I find weird…

Alisha Kc

Y’all still look great with Kouri bun and baseball hat 💗

Marmalade's Mom

Having worked in mental healthcare (not forensic units) sometimes it’s easy to forget that a lot of what we consider reasonable decision making requires attachment to reality. With someone who is highly delusional or experiencing psychosis, their perceived reality can be so different from ours that they will make decisions we would find unfathomable purely because they’re basing those decisions off of completely different inputs than we’re working with. If in Lori’s reality JJ, Tylie, and Charles really were no longer her kids and ex but zombies, and she really is besties with God who has given her not only permission but a mandate to do what she did, then yeah, she probably made the only rational decisions she could living in that “bonkers” reality. To think about it another way, if you watch the walking dead, you don’t think of the humans killing zombies as committing murder, because you have bought into the “reality” of the show. What Lori did is bonkers and evil to us existing in our reality, but to her it was probably the only reasonable response within her reality and as far as she’s concerned, we’re the crazy ones. Doesn’t make it right, or excusable. But it does offer an alternate explanation for how she can do such horrible things and have no regrets or remorse other than “psychopath.”

Maya Rodriguez Sorensen

I'm so excited that you're going to discuss the Blake Lively case!! I was very obsessed with that case and I sort of still am, but I've backed off a little. I can say that I think Blake Lively's attorneys are really not performing in the way that I think high powered attorneys should perform in federal court. I practice in federal court almost exclusively and some of their requests are embarrassing and over the top. Other than that, I really don't know what to think. I did believe Blake at first and then did a 180 when Justin's defense team dropped their evidence, but I remain open minded. I do come at this from a perspective that Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are much more powerful than Justin Baldoni. And I come from the perspective that Blake has been sexually abused in Hollywood since she was very young. I've read and followed the Hollywood gossip about Ben Affleck and Harvey Weinstein with her. And I put her husband in that category too of taking advantage of how young and attractive she was on the set of Green Lantern. And how he continues to control her since they've been married. Who knows if any of it's true, though if I'm being honest, I believe most of it. I feel a lot of pity for Blake Lively and right now my sympathy is with Justin Baldoni in what I see as a smear campaign against him by a more powerful man (Ryan Reynolds) and woman (who's power is derived from her husband and partly through her in with Vogue magazine (which I've subscribed to for decades). I loved your take on Amber Heard, Dr. John! You definitely opened my eyes on that one. So I look forward to your thoughts on Blake Lively.

Maya Rodriguez Sorensen

Lauren, you're in my thoughts as you grieve your brother. I'm so sorry. He was much too young.

Maya Rodriguez Sorensen

We love you both so much. I'm so happy I'm a hidden gem now. Thank you both for opening my mind.

Nerida Conway
>>167610003

Ohhh that makes more sense than damage I had pictured of her sitting there with a curling wand in her hand lol. Thanks for your insight :)

Charlotte Castle

Gosh I love you guys. You're all heart. So sorry to hear of your devastating loss Lauren. I hope you can take the time you need to be with family, grieve and take care of yourself. Take care guys X

Charlotte Castle
>>167674219

This is my impression too having worked in mental health. I think she may suffer from a delusional disorder.

Charlotte Castle

Ex-psychiatric nurse here - I also thought she presented with manic symptoms. I don't think she is a well lady at all. I do really wonder what diagnosis she may have. I worked with adults with delusional disorders and she reminds me of those people.

Kay Yorn

im so sorry for your loss. Ive lost 3 brothers & 1 sister both parents & my only child. Loss is very hard. Treasure the memories!!!!

Erin Webber

I’m very sorry about your brother Lauren. You handle everything with such grace, I don’t even know how you are able to do it but I appreciate you and your work and episodes. ❤️

Marmalade's Mom
>>167674219

We know from court records she was diagnosed with delusional disorder. But I’m with Dr. John, I’d love to know more about just what does her reality look like.

Mary Hatchet

Keith Morrison definitely took one for the team, didn’t he?

Mary Hatchet

I love Dr. John doing a valley girl impression SO MUCH

Mary Hatchet

And any Lori Vallow Daybell imitations are worth their weight in gold

Mary Hatchet

I have a thought that hit like pile of bricks, the only way Lori is getting out of prison is when and if the powers that be decide that there are certain women who are just too hot to be in prison. So let’s see Lori, Jody Arias… Casey Anthony would be in there, except she never was convicted. Maybe they’ll be sent to live on an island, where some of them will pose like sirens on the rocks, but I have to wonder how lord of the flies it would get over there and just how fast.

Tad Auty

I have a bipolar friend who’s a nice guy- not aggressive or murdery - but when he starts getting manic the way I can tell is he gets super oppositional. For no reason. And condescending - too much - bossy, trying to make us take on his grandiose ideas or suggestions for us. So when John mentioned her state it did make me think of my friend. He isn’t violent- but when he’s like this (he can go 5 years well without issues) he has been a victim of violence because he’s so bombastic with the wrong people. With Lori though- she seems to have a big bucket of disorders- on top of being bipolar.

Tad Auty

He the reference to Valley girls voice tones - I remember at 16- in Australia- a load of us used to play around and speak like that. But Aussie accent - with valley girl musicality

Mary Hatchet

I just got to the part where Lauren shared her news. I’m so, so sorry. You and Dr John talk about the reality behind-the-scenes, and I think that’s so important. I also think it’s so important that you set such an amazing example for people who don’t necessarily understand that real life has to exist, and not always be accessible and in their face. And you might be a tiny bit late, and everything will be just fine. Your thriving little gem, gem, gem Banks, shows it all to us, that you have very solid priorities. Thanks for bringing us along, guys. I think that you’re amazing. ❤️

Tad Auty

Jamis sounded like a fantastic guy- as a mum of an IT engineering guy, I know how many sweethearts there are in there. It’s so sad his life was shortened, but it sounds like he lived it to the full. And had an impact on everyone who knew him. So he will live on in your hearts- thank you for sharing about him with us. Take your time.

Julie Wilburn

Do you believe or do you know if possibly there were limitations on what Keith could ask ??

Carson Cozad

Your family is in my prayers during this difficult time. Love the criminal hair and being able to throw shade at criminals and laugh together with you two. Solipcism. Heard it here first.

HBgirl

First , so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine the grief and disappointment. If you’re going to cover the Blake fiasco please listen to Candace Owens YT live, episode 137 and 143

Hidden True Crime
>>167427831

Oh my gosh, you two would have been a podcast I’d have tuned into every day. I can only imagine those conversations while doing her hair

Caroline Carneal

I think it’s a good idea to cover the Lively case. So much of hidden true crime talks about how women end up being gaslit and how it warps their perspective. Usually that is done privately. But this case could show that nowadays you can hire a company to publicly gaslight another individual via social media. And that the damage it does can be immense. People need the truth. And they need to see how easily the truth can be warped. You could address how the public can approach news on social media with critical thinking and delve into why that is the only way we should be approaching news on social media, or news anywhere. I think that this skill is vitally important because of who our current president is and how he seems to be attempting to gaslight the entire nation. That might seem like a bit of a reach, to connect Blake Lively with President Trump. But both are attempts to sway at the public opinion. I’ve been listening to coverage of the case on Law and Crime Sidebar and if the claims from Lively’s camp are true then Justin Baldoni sounds like a dangerous person. Walking into her trailer unannounced while she’s breast-feeding, pushing for more sex scenes that are not in the script and outside of what she agreed to. And then when she tries to put up boundaries via official channels in a professional way, he tries to destroy her career. Didn’t we see this already play out with Kesha? Harry Weinstein was not that long ago. How do we end up in the year 2025 and see such open misogyny?!? How is Lively different from Tippi Hedren? Hitchcock destroyed the rest of her career because he didn’t get his way. Documentaries on the topic talk about how directors could get away with things like that back then. That’s bullshit! There is no such thing as “back then.” It’s still happening. And if it happens on such a public scale to someone like Blake lively, what hope to the rest of us have that don’t have her resources or clout? I’m not a huge fan of Lively, I think I’ve only seen one of her movies. But she is my fellow woman. She is being harmed (in my opinion). And that makes me very, very angry. Women need a win right now. I would argue now more than ever before. I have listened to enough episodes to know that you both practice humility. But part of being humble is recognizing your abilities. The public doesn’t know who to believe. But they will listen to you. Finally, I was thinking about how many times y’all have mentioned that these destructive behaviors don’t just happen overnight. I wonder how many are waiting to see how this turns out before they bring up their own past experiences and allegations against Baldoni. How many people has he already crushed to get where he is?

Mary Hanaki

Her area of expertise was Sexual Child Abuse. She was published.

ShaRee

I loved that Heather chose HTC over any other news source. I hope one day we do hear Kieth talking about Visions of Glory. LDS church needs to shut that book down. Fingers crossed.

Nancy Fowler

So sorry for your loss. I could tell that it had been heavy- I just felt it in the air. I love you both and always appreciate your take on the human mind. Pls pls pls feel free to discuss family annihilators (I always ask for this - ha) because we just had a woman murder her whole family in WY recently.

Darya Kryzskaya

Lauren, sending you and the fam all positive vibes.. sometimes things just suck - especially if one loses a family member. The community loves, respects and supports you. You do excellent work with a spark of passion. Thank you for being you.

Tammy Morgan

I had the same thought that Lauren did when Keith asked “were you present when your kids died”. She was totally caught off guard.

Tammy Morgan

When did Zulma and Alex say they were getting married? I thought it was in Nov of 2019. Those rings were purchased way before that on Charles Amazon account.

Tammy Morgan

I may the Lord comfort and give you strength during this time of heartache. May the Lord bless the donor recipient and all those who knew your brother 🙏❤️🙏

Mary Hatchet

Lauren, you could totally rock a headscarf, as well as a ball cap! That is my go to for when I’m not feeling 100% on my hair, and even when I feel like my hair looks great 💖 (messy topknot/loose bun, headscarf, some earrings). That said you always look fabulous, and I don’t say that to just anyone :))

Megan Richards

I think when she says she will be exonerated she doesn't mean by our legal system she means by God, like the walls of the prison will fall away and she will walk free, exactly the same as Warren Jeff's believes - Didn't joeseph smith believed something similar when he was imprisoned? Also she knows she murdered all those people but thinks she was justified and also justified in lying about it, remember they aren't sins if you are an exalted being, us mere mortals would never understand hence she has to lie about it,, she is deluded about the religious elements - the motivation for the crimes -,she has no question about how those people died, and this is why she comes across as so defensive

Susan

Always happy to hear you both!! Take extra good care🙏💕

CB1

So good to SEE you on Patreon. Thank you for spending your precious time with us. I’m so glad to be part of your community, if only to be just one more person here to send you some love and support as you both grief the loss of Lauren’s brother. ❤️‍🩹❤️

Susan

Absolutely friends here🥰👍

Natasha Z

I lost my sister in 2021 to covid, she was only 32. It's so raw to lose a sibling, it's a special pain that parents and friends don't understand the same way. It's like losing a limb and a best friend all at once. Hugs and support for you and your family, Lauren ♥️

Amanda Åhall

Love your channel and just went Patreon on you. 💗 I can’t often catch a live as I live in Sweden but replay works too.

Jeni Smith
>>167828964

I don’t mean to be disrespectful and you are 100% entitled to your own political and social opinions. I just really don’t like Candace Owen’s and her take on this lines up with all her other social and political takes.

Jeni Smith
>>167783551

I was listening on headphones and That made me laugh so loudly that ppl in the gym looked around a bit concerned

Jeni Smith
>>167480651

But remember HTC was pretty much the only channel that backed up AH’s psychological expert and took a lot of heat for it. I think both AH and BL are far from perfect victims but that they both also have definitely been the targets of a hate train that is really misogynistic. The glee and fervor with which ppl are piling on disturbs me.

Jeni Smith

HTC was the only channel I saw that supported Amber Heard’s psychological expert witness over Johnny Depp’s and they took a lot of heat for it. The BL situation is complex but I really think there is so much misogyny underpinning the online narratives. Whether you believe Baldoni paid for the astroturfing and hate campaign or just pondered it, at the base of destroying her credibility are so many women hating assumptions and moves!

Jeni Smith

I am so sorry for your loss, Lauren. You and your family are in my prayers ❤️

Jeni Smith
>>167680729

I know it is complicated but I really feel like JB’s counter suits are DARVO. So much of it is not him straight up denying anything, only recontextualizing it: she let me come in her trailer when she was pumping once so I couldn’t have made her uncomfortable other times or yes, I cast my best friend as the gynecologist and invited my billionaire backer producer to be on set that day but she put her sister in the movie- this is a false equivalency. She didn’t cast her sister to play his urologist in a scene where he was simulating nudity from the waist down…. Also, yes BL and RR are bigger stars but JB was the director and partially owned and started Wayfairer (the production company) so for filming he had much more power than her. Also, she has Jenny Slate and the younger Lilly who will testify for her in her amended complaint. At least I hope if you all cover this it wont just be pure misogynistic slop of look at what a mean girl she is, she is awful in any and every way…burn her!!!!

Sallie Kribbet

For me, when Keith asked her is she witnessed the death of her children, I had a negative physical response before she even answered. No tears, no emotion, just defiance.

Elmo

Oh my goodness. I just watched the video of Princess Alice Prince Philip Duke of Edinburg’s Mothers case is very similar to Lori Vallow of all people. What a find this is. Dr Sigmond Freaud worked on her. Changing ovaries etc. she believed she was married to Jesus Christ which put her in the mental hospital. Thought you’d like to watch this. .ive got to figure out how to post link. Video is THE EXTRAORDINARY LIFE OF Princess Alice. The Real Royalty YT channel. Wow the things said just kept making me think of Lori. Could they have had the same illness ?

Catherine Hargrave

I feel like the parts of the 90 minutes that were left out were probably Lori’s religious mania preaching. Dateline doesn’t want to platform that.

Minpinner1000

Luv you guys. I und it interesting that Lori ""borrowed" the dress/ring. For Zoo to have Lori order it for her so nice. Especially whheen that means everypne had the same ring size, same dress size, and who knows if the suits were the same size. Maybe Chad and Alex used their own suits. wonder if thee are any invices for fittings or dry cleaning. hmmmm

Courtney Dugger

Why do I have the feeling Lori compares herself to Joseph Smith? Watching the way she speaks in court, the way she butts in while someone else is speaking & her hauty cavalier attitude won’t go over well with a jury(not that it matters)

Ronda Husereau

I’m so sorry to hear about your brother Lauren. I read an article about him somewhere. I can’t remember where it was but he sounds like he was a fantastic person and so smart. Keep him in your heart and he’ll always be with you. ❤️ anyway back to Lori, I just came over here to watch this, but you know after that Dateline interview, and now with Dr. John saying that about her seeming manic, I think she portrays that in court. She’s loud and she’s always talking over people and it’s just she’s really rude. I don’t know I’ve never seen anybody like that. Well today is March 18 I think and the trial is coming up and excuse my language, but I think it’s gonna be a big shit show. Much love to your family. ❤️❤️❤️

Courtney Dugger

Sorry to hear about your brother Lauren. He’s home now. I know that doesn’t help the way you & your family feel. I’m not Mormon & never have been but I do believe death is going home.

Janet Trowbridge

Lauren - I’m so sorry for your loss. I’ll be keeping you and yours lifted in prayers for peace.

Selena From GA

Keith Morrison, renowned Distorter of Facts

Charlene Conway

The Real Blake Lively Story!!👍👏👏😂 First time watching the two of together on a live, I loved how well you guys bounce off each other!!❤️

Allison

Thank you for sharing about your brother, and thanks for supporting his decision. I’m in RN school right now and I can’t begin to express how sacred his gift is to the recipient and everyone who provides care for them. I’m so sorry for the loss of your brother, he sounds like a lovely person.

Taylor

Omg yes, Dr. John !!!!!!! We need your analysis of the Blake Lively saga ASAP. Been dying for someone qualified to weigh in on the behaviors we’re seeing. Also so excited to hear your opinion, Lauren. You are an *icon* and I love how you facilitate convos with Dr. John and your other interviewees. Big hugs to you guys and my condolences regarding the recent loss of your brother. Hoping you find comfort in your memories with him and feel his presence as you continue to make him proud. Xoxo

Louise Grills

When Keith asks her about the moment she met Chad, it was very underwhelming. I didn't feel like she was as bought in as she was before. It's almost like she's become more egregious with her statements but she's not as bought in to them. But to be fair, at this point, I can understand why she would be doubling down. Imagine the crippling impact of realising your beliefs were bogus and you've just straight up murdered your children.

Diana

Lauren, my deepest condolences. 💐 you’re so strong and open hearted. Dr John is hilarious lol and this was a great episode 👏🏼🫶🏼

Chanda 86

See John, I TOTALLY agree with you, about her being manic-y (don't know if that's how you spell that lol) I work in Mental Health and Addictions and I work with patients that get manic-y so I was starting to see some similarities with how Lori was acting back in the middle when she started getting cornered about things. Like she was in the body cam when Rexburg came to her townhome 1st looking for JJ. And then I also thought she sounded manic-y in her Police interviews after Charles death. I definitely feel that it is wayyyy stronger now, but... I dunno 🤷‍♀️ What do you think? Do you think that she was showing some milder signs of mania back then? Do you think she gets manic when she knows that people are on to her, or when she feels cornered? 🤔 She gets so defensive, but manic-y as well... I am just curious, I always respect your opinion and analysis. You have so much knowledge and I appreciate you sharing all these things with us!! Thank you both for everything. I have been with the channel since the beginning and you guys are awesome! 💙

Karla

Take care of yourself watching and seeing and hearing this terrible stuff is traumatic. I look back as a trauma nurse and the stuff I've seen just became too much.

Sarah Love

I hate that you guys have to censor yourselves for fear of being leaked and "canceled" just for speaking candindly 😮‍💨. I wonder if my absolutely bonkers mom would qualify as solipsistic 🤔. Love you guys 🖤 take care Lauren xx.

Wyatt Sway

How common is it that a parents will raise two people who appear to be serial killers?

Nicole

I am so glad that so far all of the victims have gotten justice. I don’t want the story of them to become the “Lori Story” but it would be fascinating to hear a deep dive into the psychology of Lori’s early life and particularly her mother and sister as well. Understanding the psychological path that led to this point would be so interesting.

Kathy Stay

Yeah, Lauren! Just throw the hat on!

Kathy Stay

Just say you’re on “Mormon Standard Time.” And those of us who know, will know! 😊

Linda T

Sometimes people with borderline personality disorder can look bipolar. Could that be why she looks manic? BTW I appreciate the two of you not making sweeping comments about people with borderline personality disorder. Most of them mainly hurt themselves.