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Dear Dr. John Episode 5 (Could Lori be both a psychopath & victim?) (Patreon)

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2021-07-01 06:22:51
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Maggie asks: "Dear Dr John - based upon previous podcast episodes: Can Lori be a ‘victim’ of Chad’s false prophet following etc if she is a psychopath?   Would she not be playing him just as much as he is playing her?   Like two psychopaths reeking havoc on the other?"

Dr. John answers! Plus we give a BIG THANKS to our Patreon supporters! You support is making so much possible right now. Lauren actually had three back-to-back interviews today, and will be sharing soon. Big things are happening, and we couldn't be more thrilled that you're helping to make this possible.

Lastly, for those in Utah, Lauren is looking forward to joining her former coworker Rosie Nguyen on CW30's 7pm show Thursday night (July 1st). She'll be part of a panel discussing the developments of the Chad and Lori Daybell case, along with East Idaho News Eric Grossarth, and defense attorney Greg Skordas. 

Comments

Jodi Van Zaig

Lauren, go to sleep! No more caffeine 'til next week.

Hidden True Crime
>>62912760

How did you know? I am SO TIRED! When it rains, it POURS. I need a shower, and a clean house. We both need some clean clothes. Thank you Jodi. I'll try to go get some sleep right now, and take some time to regroup before getting these interviews out.

Jodi Van Zaig

Yeah, if you don't take care of yourself dinner will take longer. No one wants that. We starve for your juicy meals. 🙃

Katie Marlowe

I love how Dr. John uses Dexter to help illustrate psychopathy. My sister and I are super-fans, too. I’m SO looking forward to hearing more about Israel Keys. The notion that there are actually human beings out there like him terrifies me. A deeper understanding of what makes someone like him tick might calm those fears. ...Maybe. Thanks again to you both. Go get some rest.

CuriousCat

Wow…Dr. John just clarified the Lori/Chad gas/fire comparison. The immersion and emergent discussion really helped me understand this on a deeper level. One of those light bulb moments that rang true IMO. Again, sending my appreciation to you both.🤔❤️

Sandra K.

Great Q&A, Dr. John! Would be interesting to know what you think... how much is conscious manipulation of one another and how much is inherent/instinctive to their personalities? PS the comments around the use of evil label is thought provoking. Thanks for challenging me to think!

Janet1Pirate

I really enjoyed this. It has given me much food for thought.

RobynB

Dr John, you’ve really opened my mind to a different way of thinking. At first, I thought Chad was this meek follower of black widow Lori. Now I’m seeing Chad as you said “ the driver of the bus”. I know you’ve mentioned his profession playing a role, his midlife stuff, his wanting to be relevant, etc. I sense there is a much darker core...Could you talk a little bit more next time about Chad’s pathologies?

CC

Great episode: someone else mentioned they used to feel chad was victim to a black widow. I can't disagree with that. It made me curious, he's soft spoken, to us he didn't seem like a leader/master manipulator from a glance he blended right in with dork dad vibes. Is this an effort on his part to manipulate? OR is this our own biases and ignorance that dominance is loud, charismatic, and attractive?

RobynB

That’s why this is all so fascinating, for me it’s important we hear from a forensic phycologist perspective, so we can better understand the human psyche. I think you just never know… look at some likeJeffrey Daumier he comes off all meek and harmless. How many times have we seen interviews of the neighbor of killers who says “he seemed like a nice guy…kind of quiet, etc”.

Lynette Butler

Dr John I had heard that most human being want both of what you describe: both to belong and to distinguish ourselves (merge/emerge) which may be why cults and even religions may appeal to people. They provide both And perhaps this can be done in a healthy way when speaking of religion. Is it when this becomes unbalanced that this is a problem?