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Dr. John and Lauren talk about Melanie Gibb's Sharie Dowdle Recording (Patreon)

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Thank you for your patience! We recorded this episode tonight after Dr. John watched Lauren's interview with Sharie Dowdle. These were our initial thoughts.

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Heidi

I have heard that “bless your heart” in some places is code for “f*ck you.” This, if anything, is small beans in the overall narrative. I don’t think it would/ should affect your analysis.

Kay Sunshine

Thank you You are sounding a little better. Hi and Thank you Dr. John you are awesome you had this figured out last year. Been with you guys from day one. They wanted the benefits from the death of spouses and children. In my opinion.

Jennifer-Anne Hunter

I really hope Melanie Gibb, Zulema and Melanie Pawlowski get held accountable for their actions. I hope these deals include jail time, they need to send a message to those who still believe in this doctrine.

Susan Dickman

Thank you for your insights, Dr. John. Lauren, you do sound a bit better. 😊 Doesn’t Melanie Gibb have children of her own? I hope they are ok and safe. I guess since they are not in Chad and Lori’s way, they won’t become zombies. I hope all involved will be charged with these innocent peoples deaths

Emily Stoffel

Just love your informative interviews. I was brought up Episcopalian and Catholic- I hear Melanie Gibb speak doctrine and feels she knows her doctrine- it is for us as a guide to live lives as moral and compassionate people. Where did Melanie lose her morals? Did she ever have any? She was right there, Lori’s righthand assistant in Charles’s murder. No she didn’t pull the trigger but was part of Lori’s tapestry to isolate Charles and have him murdered. If Melanie had a moral life this case would have collapsed with only one (Joesph Ryan) dead. In that scenario I presume detectives would have more presumptions on WHY Lori had Joesph murdered. In my opinion his life insurance money for her leisure.

Helen

Thank you! Great show.

Denise Blodgett

Thank you both for taking the time to discuss this. It's disturbing to me how no one contacted the police or even CPS knowing what was happening in this circus! The Melanies need to be held accountable for their actions or should I say lack thereof?

Erica A. Zwick

What strikes me about ALL of these people, in addition to Lori and Chad, is that they are liars: Melani P, Melanie G, Jason Mow, Julie Rowe, Shawn Littlebear, Hector Sosa, Alex, Zulema, et al. Plus, most of them are not very bright. I know this is looked upon as disrespectful, however, IMO you have to be dim and gullible to believe LDS "theology." God was originally a man who became a god...and you can , too! When Christ returns he will first go to Jerusalem and then to Missouri. The gathering is part of the Restoration and has priesthood keys associated with it, which were restored when Moses delivered them to Joseph Smith. Mormons receive Patriarchal Blessings to reveal unto them their lineage among the tribes of Israel. All the tribes have been represented in the lineages revealed in patriarchal blessings, but most Mormons are descended from the tribe of Ephraim. SERIOUSLY???

ShaRee

Thanks for the snack. Sorry you’ve been sick Lauren… Sweet Mel is so disconnected and almost seemed confused by Sharie’s emotions/gasps. Crazy.

RobynB

I really appreciate and look forward to Dr John’s insight, it’s helpful to understand the often complicated, messy psyche of humans. TY

Lee Howell

It seems to be that Shari is a heroic figure in her perseverance and determination to do the right thing especially in view of the discouragement and lack of.positive feedback she received.I may have misunderstood her but it sounded like when she called Idaho LE they basically told her thanks anyway try Chandler PD. Did I misinterpret that?! I would have felt so demoralized after that. Shari seems to have suffered much trauma in her life but she has a core of integrity lacking in

Taryn Hodge

I would love to know more about Melanie's children and ex-husband. Melanie seems to be extremely self absorbed (which is the antithesis of being a wife and mother). I would be curious to know how this has affected her children. I'm going to assume that at least some of her children are adults, so they have to be aware of the negative perception against Melanie.

Sylvia See

Thank you Lauren and John for your analysis. Could MG be more than detached because she seems to take delight in, or has a fascination with, death. She’s always so chipper and upbeat whenever she talks about somebody’s death. Lori seems to delight in death too. Annie Cushing spoke of Lori bringing a photo album into her (Lori’s) dining room to show Annie. But the photo album smelled really bad of human decomposition because it was in Joe’s apartment where and when he died. Annie C. described it as smelling super bad yet Lori brings it inside her house and wasn’t bothered by the smell? It just seems like the album was Lori’s trophy she was showing off and that she liked the smell. I cannot imagine why Lori would even take that photo album home with her. I kind of think my sister is delighted with death too (she certainly doesn’t get overly sad about it). Just an observation.

Shay Wimmer

It really is hard for me about how Tylee is talked about… it makes me sad to see that she was almost an after thought… so far we have seen no indication that she was missing or that anyone was looking for… had it not been for Kay and Larry looking for JJ would they looked for Tylee, or would it have just been she got mad and ran away… this entire situation is so sad!

Shay Wimmer

I also think that If you think how littlebear story about how MG didn’t have any “abilities,power,stories” that when Sherry looked up to her she felt like she had power… so she told this story to Sherry because she felt safe! Idk… but MG didn’t do anything to help anyone!

Tracy Warberg Holliday

I totally agree! Sharpe was being very honest. I love Dr. John’s passion regarding Melanie’s statement “poor Alex, bless his heart”. The first time I listened to the recorded call, that statement stood out more than anything else in that conversation. It was sickening. Another great conversation around the dinner table. Thanks for all of your hard work. ❤️✌️

Leanne Volo

As the phone call with Sharie continued, it sounded like they were long time friends. Melanie's excitement and enthusiasm seemed to escalate as the conversation went on. She also seemed to get a thrill out of the shock value of Sharie's disbelief. It WAS as if Melanie was reading a salacious story. Anyone who can be that familiar with someone they barely know has a serious need to be heard. This whole case is so beyond my thinking capabilities!! Lol.

Melinda Ngawaka

MG complimented the murderers and degraded those who were murdered… hit me hard… my goodness so much deceit and disconnect… no empathy or even basic connection and caring??

Mika Morford

I really appreciate you both. I get so much out of what you do. This case has captured & horrified so many people. Your informative, respectful, thoughtful communication on the case & broader application of principles has been so impactful. I had a thought about Melani Gibb. Doesn’t she have a child on the autistic spectrum? Could she be so lacking in empathy & so detached because she is also on the spectrum? Just a thought. I could listen to you guys all day.

Ksealrose

Thank You for keeping up the great work you do! Always enjoy listening to you two!

Crystal Swannack

I also thought about Chad's "love story" to Lori her says something about them being together day and night one of their past probations marriages, while living with Christ I believe, and doing certain things whenever they wanted and often. This makes me wonder if Chad was telling Lori that to continue to grow and become gods and goddesses that they had to be together everything basically 24/7 and have a lot of intercourse for their "spiritual mission" This would make it so Chad would have Lori him at all times and all places 24/7. This could help him relieve some of his worries if he was insecure (which I think he was insecure about her being 'too good' for him he also knows her past and obviously knows she's okay with affairs). But also be a way for Chad to convince Lori the kids would be in the way of that and without being blatant convincing her they need to get rid of the kids. Only do I think maybe he didn't want them around because he wanted her all to himself but because he didn't want the responsible parent normal life anymore. He didn't want to work, hence money for life insurance, I didn't want to deal with kids anymore. Whatever was he created a fantasy world then wanted to live in that fantasy world and was making it come true without even caring about the cost of life or anybody else. He just wanted an easy fun life