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DEAR DR. JOHN: Lori's Dancing (Patreon)

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2021-10-20 05:02:05
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Dr. John was asked:

"Why do I see Lori Vallow dancing in prison in my mind, similarly to The Bathroom Dance in the Joker? Thank you!!"

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Chrissy Jackson

Very interesting as always. Have you read the statement from Alex’s ex wife where she talks about how sexualised Lori and Alex’s relationship was and that the whole Cox family didn’t see that relationship as strange or inappropriate? Would be great to get your take on that

Erica A. Zwick

What a tragic life she's led. With that upbringing she didn't have a chance.

Chelsea Jackman

First off, Lauren, you have to see The Joker; it’s fantastic! I now have to rewatch it - perhaps we can use teleparty! On a serious note, I have a question for Dr. John. Dear Dr John, I recognize that people, including myself, want justice for the victims. What perplexes me is what I can only say in layman’s terms is the displaced anger toward certain individuals who are believed to have immunity deals. Is it a lack of patience, a lack of knowledge as to the judicial process, or genuine anger displacement? Obviously these individuals have some culpability; immunity deals aren’t negotiated (in most circumstances) with innocent people. But, without the sworn statements provided to LE and the expected upcoming testimony, we would be at far poorer odds of seeing this case through. Why are people so cruel and furious, especially when nobody knows the whole story? I literally want to bash my head during live recordings, because some people don’t seem to get that, but for the unnamed people, we may not see prosecution as invested in prosecution as they are. I’m not suggesting people invite these individuals into their homes, but I am suggesting that everybody needs to respect these individuals for coming forward (albeit much too late) and to have faith in the judicial process. Finally, why do I find this so bothersome? Hoping you can address! Thanks, - Chelsea

Tad Auty

My bet is on the dancing to dissociate- avoid reality and go into a zone - like yoga can do to an extent. That’s my guess. But with Lori it can have an extra layer of woo and instead of yoga there’s an added layer of her thinking she’s communing with angels too. Plus she’s vain so it’s good exercise. It’s her go to- she danced long before she got to jail.

Evelyn Yallen
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I don't think people being angry about perpetrators receiving immunity is cruel or out of line. People like Zulema are perceived as having been very active players who could have, at any time, gone to authorities to stop what was going on. In the just released video of her with police, I didn't see her as eager to help, just having a hard time remembering things. I think I have a better recollection of this case and I wasn't involved, so I have a hard time buying the memory loss common to her and to Melanie in her interview with police. I see Zulema as equally culpable as Chad or Lori. Maybe more so because Chad and Lori never would have stopped until they were caught whereas I think participants like Melanie G and Zulema had less investment (they weren't as senior in the group, for one thing). I also think they may have given her immunity fairly early on before they had the wealth of information they now seem to have and thought at that time they needed her to make a case. I doubt that is still necessary. There is a very well known and tragic case in Canada, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. The Crown (our version of prosecutors) made a deal with her and she led them to a cache of videotapes concealed in the ceiling of Bernardo assaulting the two teenage girls they had kidnapped. Homolka was equally to blame and yet received a 12 year sentence, which she fully served. She's now living her best life with three kids of her own and I can tell you the anger at her sweetheart deal is still evident when her name comes up, even so many years later. I think it's human nature to want to see people pay for what they've done, or at least show genuine remorse if they do get a deal. I have seen neither with Zulema. If she indeed came forward voluntarily she's a rat leaving a sinking ship. Her survival skills are top notch. Her ethics and morals not so much, so no, I don't have to respect her for coming forward.

Marcella Able

I think she was so hooked on her appearance that it was a way to keep her weight down & she got to watch herself to make her moves to look sexy. That is her biggest asset. Her looks & her body. Take those two things away, then you have her mother.

RobynB

#3 Disassociation makes sense. She has lived for sometime in a fantasy world, but all these deaths would have to creep into moments of reality.

RobynB

Ty Dr John!

Lynette Butler

Speaking of dissociation and dancing here is scripture she may have attached to— Psalm 30:11: “You turned my wailing into dancing; you removed my sackcloth and clothed me in joy.”

Cynthia Carter

isn't Julie Rowe a big dancer? I suspect she got into this dancing thing when she started following Julie Rowe. Zac said that she would make them listen to Julie Rowe Podcasts in the car and gave him books to read so that would have been 2018 maybe 2017. I am not sure how long Zac lived with them but I bet he is a huge amount of information about what was going on in that house. He would be someone cool to interview as a deep source. He lived with them until they told tylee and Zac to take JJ and go out. After that I think he stayed with his grandparents. Honestly I don't know where he lived during that whole time where lori kicked them all out and hid all of Charles stuff. I am sure he was in contact with Tylee all of that time as well because they were close. Also April in Hawaii said that Lori called Coby frequently then things dried up after she moved to Arizona.

Kim Chapman

My mother is a Pace. Her family roots are in summit county. We may be related somehow also. Loved this episode

Katie Marlowe

Your thoughtful responses and thorough research is why I, for one, choose to support you two here on Patreon. 🤔☺️

Nutmegtella

Speaking of the Joker, I don't care much for Batman. He's a millionaire (or billionaire) that spends his nights beating up the mentally ill. It's always bothered me.

Dal Pace

When Dr John answers a question he’s not messing around! Awesome explanationS!! Thank you 😊

B Sprak

Dancing as a drug? I think she was burning off panic induced adrenaline for sure. I also think she's a psychopath. I doubt she gave a crap about killing her kids. The reality of she and Chad being separated for perhaps the rest of their lives, and herself being caged the rest of her life, I think that's what may have snapped her.

Dede B

Yes, those three extra large mirrors in the rent house in Chandler AZ, yet mattresses on the floor - pretty apparent where Lori’s priorities were. Doubtful those mirrors were there, they had to be installed. I suspect she’s been dancing for a while, probably interpretive, she does have the body of a dancer - I think she saw herself as special, a goddess long before Chad “recognized” it. Her body was her tool, something she figured out long ago. And I’ve not doubt she like looking at herself in those mirrors, quite narcissistic. It’s now a habit, and probably very helpful in controlling her moods to keep moving forward towards trial.