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Dr. John on Lori's Arraignment (Patreon)

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We recorded this Thursday afternoon before our Friday night YouTube live, so some info may be dated. This is what John observed watching Lori in court last week. 

Comments

Gail Clark

The message from a listener is very powerful and so true. We all make choices in our lives and, in the dark of night, sometimes those choices haunt us. That can be the strongest judge we have to face.

Jeanine Harrop Hansen

Thank you for your sharing your professional observations Dr. John. I hold you in high regard and especially appreciate the time you put into this case. A case that we have grown to love the victims and their incredible family's. Look forward to seeing you and Lauren in Vegas this upcoming weekend at CrimeCon.

Jennifer Priebe

I think the power dynamic is still clear. Lori is sad and depressed, still Mrs. Daybell, still hoping for love with Chad, or the idea of someone saving her soul. Chad has distanced himself and will be throwing her under the bus. He was always using her in a failed attempt to elevate himself above the fine life he took for granted.

Connie Holden

I just love you two wonderful people and the people who help you on this great podcast!

Becca Moorhead

I was kinda the devil's advocate when I said I didn't think she was faking being incompetent. If I had done what she did hit home like that I'd be in a bad mental state too. I don't think the death penalty is the way to go. She should live the rest of her life reminded of the horrible things she did.

Heather Carter

You are right on time! Love John’s direct insight.

Julie Wilburn

Glad you are getting back to “normal” - it’s always exciting to get a notification of a new Patreon episode!! Personally I thought Lori looked her usual, not much change, general population may take a toll on her for sure. Stay well - stay strong - take care of each other!!! Much love and prayers from SW Virginia ❤️

Cindy

I like the note from our community. Are we the villagers with pitchforks? To me, the one thing that true crime spotlights is mental illness and behavior issues. And I wish society would dig into this like a junk yard dog, advocating to citizens, government and Corporate America that prevention is key.

Tamara Wakeman Sukohl

Thank you for a thought provoking episode. I love how careful Dr John is to not diagnose Lori because he, a real forensic psychologist, doesn’t have enough information to diagnose her. Good advise for internet sloths who, without any degree, are eager to make a diagnosis . Lori’s expressions made me wonder if she felt sadness or regret. I noticed she kept her eyes closed during parts of her arraignment where I would expect her to show grief. It reminded me of her behavior at the police station after Charles was killed. Was she praying, shielding, blocking or going into her portal? Colby leaving Rexburg and writing his book is part of his healing journey that I cannot judge. He is entitled to do what he needs to do in his time. Chad’s lack of emotion is striking. Both Chad and Lori thrive on excitement and find everyday life boring. That’s sad because they created this mess looking for excitement.

Katie Marlowe

It’s so unfortunate that there is a real lack of understanding about mental health issues among the public at large. You two are not only covering a case for the true crime community, but educating us on a subject that really needs to be better understood. It’s one of the things that sets you apart from the many other true crime content-creators. Your work is top quality and so valuable. Thank you both for sharing.

Kim Chapman

Thank you. I truly believe Lori had a hard, troubling life. Some of her family are really messed up. She craved attention. It’s sad what her life has come to. That being said she deserve to pay for what she did. Only her maker can help her at this point.

Crystal Swannack
>>82579887

She's going to suffer and have to live in more fear of meeting the Lord. For her, that's going to be worse than spending the rest of her life in jail she'll find a way to get in and manipulate those prisoners to be her little crew. I can't wait till she's moved to a prison outside of sweet little Rexburg

Chris Babcock

Thank you for this. Oddly enough to my own surprise, I too, agree with your listener's comments about Lori. Still feeling she should never see the light of day again, and will have to deal with her maker as noted from the above comment.

Nora Ann

From what I have heard of Priors other trials his clients just sit there like Chad. I think Prior tells him to show no emotion while in court. I think Chad is a horrible human. I think Lori is a horrible human, but I do think she has some form of mental illness. She has always wanted to be the center of attention from what I can tell. She needs to be better than anyone and must compete even with her daughter. Is she narcissistic? She certainly is delusional. Why oh why did her family not get her help when she started spouting stuff off about being translated and past lives and how she could do anything? Why oh Why was she allowed to have children with her?? In the year or two before she had her kids killed she was not giving the kids a stable life. Constant moving, pulling Tylee out of school, empty a bank account, leaving JJ and going to Hawaii with no contact to him for at least 2 months? Not to mention the Ned stuff. Why was her best friend Melanie not trying to get her help?? Why didn’t Her oldest son try to get her help? Why didn’t he question her about all her beliefs before she did all the killings? Why didn’t he speak to his uncle Alex about his beliefs? Why did every single person ignored the elephant in the room except her husband?? I think of all those who heard her speak at Melanie’s house and not one of them reported it to their bishop?? The real scary thing about all this is that this doesn’t stop with Chad & Lori, there are hundreds out their with these strange beliefs and so called knowledge and powers in the fringe groups of LDS. I know lots of them and it scares me. They feel special with their so called higher knowledge and connections that they say they have. Yet they still go to church. They believe all this crap. What in the world is going on??

Sue Komernicky

Thank you so much for sharing your observations—they are so valuable! I also would like to thank the listener for her observations which I think are so true! I do think Lori is a very troubled human being having a myriad of issues. I, too, don’t put too much into Colby releasing his book on the day of Lori’s arraignment & think perhaps this was a coping mechanism. I was a bit upset when Colby had a GoFund me for baby gifts, & felt that was in poor taste, but also realize he is a victim. I guess I felt that maneuver had shades of Lori, but I’ll get past that.

Erica A. Zwick

Obviously this is a very emotional case, filicide always is; however, you can't deny that many people interested in this case want vengeance, not justice. I've seen the bloodlust on FB and reddit, and I find it repugnant. It's impossible for me to believe that so many people, ADULTS, have been able to maintain this level of hatred for two years for a person they have never met. Who wants to live that way? What's the point? What is missing in these people's lives that they have enough emotional energy to hate a stranger? Isn't it funny that none of the people whose lives were actually affected by this tragedy are screaming for blood? Not the Woodcocks, not Annie Cushing, not Todd Trahan (JJ's biological father). Hate is intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury. Hate implies an emotional aversion often coupled with enmity or malice. I am just saying, who has that kind of energy?? I do not. Is Lori a horrible person? Yes, she is, but in my professional opinion, she comes by it honestly. And by that I mean...HAVE YOU MET HER FAMILY?!?!?! She had such shitty parents. No one need feel sorry for Lori; no one needs to feel compassion for her, even though she's certainly had her struggles; however, I do think that her humanity (and her Constitutional rights) needs to be acknowledged.

Erica A. Zwick
>>82584722

It's not just that he doesn't have enough information. There are ethical rules that prohibit diagnosing someone that a clinician has not met and examined, so I suspect that is why Dr. John will not publicly diagnose Lori. He is ethical.

Char

Thank you for this analysis of Lori Daybell during her arraignment. As always, Dr. John, you have great insight and wisdom when stating what you feel MAY be some underlying mental issues affecting certain individuals, such as Lori Daybell. While I certainly can never condone what Lori either did herself or was complicit to in the murders of JJ, Tylee, Charles and Tammy, I can also see how mental illness could play a HUGH roll in what Lori believed (or still believes) to be her reality. I, too, noticed the haggard look on Lori's face, the downturned mouth, the constant look of misery. She's certainly never appeared to be a truly happy person, and it's never been more obvious than now. Of course, I can't know for sure, but it seems to me that just perhaps Lori's conscience is quietly beginning to speak to her. As if reality has raised its head and is looking her in the eye. Who knows? As others have already said here, no matter what happens in these trials, Lori and Chad will face the judgment of the Most High someday when they come before our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. That's when their eternal fate will be decided. End of story. God bless JJ, Tylee, Charles and Tammy (and Joe Ryan, as well) and hold them close to Your Heart; keep them safe in Your Loving Arms. Amen 🙏🏼🙏🏼

Jeanne Menzie

Thank you Dr. John it’s so nice to listen and hear educated conversation about mental illness

Jeanne Menzie

My son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at 21 but had childhood schizophrenia classic signs all the way through his childhood and you are so right on with so many things that you say thank you for your educated conversations

Jeanne Menzie

My son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at 21 but had childhood schizophrenia classic signs all the way through his childhood and you are so right on with so many things that you say thank you for your educated conversations One more thing I wish people realized how many of these kind of sick people are in the world today everywhere

LauraK
>>82618439

She's an adult. No one can force an adult to get help except in extremely extreme situations - and even then it tends to be Impossible. That is built into the law. It certainly was not her son's job.

Nora Ann
>>82618439

It has to be someone’s job to ring the alarm bell. No one rang the bell. They all ignored the fire that was not contained. No one pulled the emergency alarm. I think her brother did but the family just said she is not hurting anyone and ignored it. I do think if she would have lost her temple recommend when she first started spouting out the strange stuff, maybe she would have gotten help. Maybe the church should come up with some kind of guideline for religious zealots (I don’t know what else to describe her going to temple every single day as it’s not just an hour, like going to mass is). Match up her actions with her words. Instead they just let her be president of primary (maybe that was before she had all her strange ideas). I do think if a member of the church is found out to be following Julie Rowe or any of those others, someone like the stake president and bishop need to be aware of it. Sometimes, oftentimes, it’s easier if someone outside of the family can do an intervention and involve the whole family. I am worried that we are going to see more and more of this kind of thing happening.

Mary Blackwell

I love the private message you read! Amen! We have to hold onto our humanity when we are dealing with people who have surrendered theirs.

Jean Georgitso

Always appreciate the two of you together. You two make a great team which makes for interesting podcasts. Thank you.

Tammy Mathis

Dr. John, do you think she regrets any of this? Do you think she misses her kids and her brother? Is she capable of repenting?

Amber Ferdig

I was amazed at how different she was vs her first appearance in court or even the body cam footage after Charles death. For the first time she had a serious look, it seemed to me that she finally grasped the gravity of the situation. don't know if she is capable of remorse, but she had an interesting reaction when children's names were read

Kim LaPointe

I value John’s professional opinion so much too that I joined your Patreon channel. This is my 1st and only on this platform.