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After Dark: Jeff's New York Trip, Aneesh Chaganty's Meta AI Video, Terrifier Series (Patreon)

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The Filmcast: After Dark is the bonus show where we talk about a variety of random topics that didn't make it into the main podcast - including your questions and what's going on in our lives.

In this episode, David, Devindra, and Jeff discuss Jeff's recent trip to New York, Aneesh Chaganty's AI-assisted short film, and how they met Rian Johnson.

PATRONS: You can get this audio in your podcast app by going to patreon.com/filmpodcast, going to the "My Member

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Papool Chaudhari

Dave: "Aneesh Chaganty is a great filmmaker." Also Dave: "Still haven't seen 'Missing.'" (Produced by Chaganty and is the follow up to "Searching," and Jeff raved about it last year on the show, and still on Netflix) lol

Papool Chaudhari

As bad as Terrifier 1 is, I don't think you can skip it because there are some essential plot points that carry into the second and third, namely with the Victoria character.

Tim Langford

Dave, don’t’ skip Terrifier 1. I genuinely like it (I’m embarrassed to say I actually love it), not merely as a perfect introduction to Art the Clown, but it’s a midnight grindhouse-y banger, bordering on an “art” film, pardon the pun, with its threadbare plot and focus on stalking and gory set pieces. It’s also very scary, in my opinion, so definitely heighten the atmosphere for a good time. You may not like it, but it’s a necessary introduction to the character and a good contrast point for 2 and 3.

Steven Kennick

I am from San Antonio TX, one of the most “southern hospitality” cities in the US, and I too was blown away by the kindness I experienced when I visited New York City for the first time! People were always willing to help me find where I needed to get to, asked me questions about where I was from, what I was doing, and genuinely cared about my well being! It blew me away!

Tyler Sexton

Full episode for Sing Sing when it drops please!

Dave Epp

I love how the U.S. has differences between “East Coast”, “West Coast”, North, and South but Canada is just Canada. Hey y’all Canada’s a bigger country than the U.S. and you’ll have very different opinions and experiences talking to people in the various areas of Canada. So my question for Devindra is: Where in Canada are these relatives from?

Wil Johnson

Most people are absolutely good. Y’all have got to get offline, the rhetoric is not true to what real life is

Doug Mahoney

What I find most interesting is the overwhelmingly negative response to the “I h8 ai” video. People seem to vehemently hate watching ai content ala bad cgi. I wonder if these companies are factoring that into their decision making processes about which avenues to apply this tech to.

Chris Hughes

Thanks for checking my email! Loved hearing you guys discuss it. The thing I missed in my email was that the Terrifier series is also wildly funny

DarmineDoggyDoor

There’s a seemingly obvious aspect to the generative AI art controversy I’ve not heard anyone discuss. People are upset that generative AI scrapes the internet for existing copyrighted art, and without express permission, uses it as a basis to synthesize what the end user has prompted. But here’s the thing…isn’t that essentially how humans already make art? Human artists have consumed all kinds of existing art which informs their taste and technique and, whether consciously or not, is used as a basis to synthesize what they want to create. “There’s nothing new under the sun,” right? And it's not as if the human artist has obtained permission from the copyright holder of every piece of art they've ever seen. The generative AI process seems remarkably analogous; when we use Midjourney we are essentially “hiring” AI to do what a human artist would have already done over their lifetime, were we to hire the human artist instead. But unless the human's art meets a certain threshold to be considered plagiarism or copyright infringement, nobody protests that the artist consumed a bunch of existing work in their journey. Artists openly talk about their influences all the time! Why are people okay with human artists consuming copyrighted work and making something new from it, but freak out when AI does essentially the same thing at a human’s request? It seems we afford human artists quite a bit of grace in this regard that we are not willing to extend to AI-generated art, and I don’t understand why. For these reasons, I don’t see a problem with the generative AI process unless the final work meets the same threshold for copyright infringement that we would apply to human art. Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Scott M. Adams

I am so glad that Jeff spoke to the general goodness of most people. As a teacher, I could not do my work if I did not believe this. I have been so lucky to have met such amazing people in my life and formed these moments of connection. Dave's response honestly made me sad. While I can acknowledge his feelings as valid for him, it is hard for me to justify that sentiment with the disconnect to our likely positive feelings towards those in our own personal/intimate circles. I am going to guess that most consider the people in our close circles to be "good" people. That means either we/Dave are somehow incredibly talented at picking the few "good" people out there, that he is lying to those in his intimate circles by making them feel like "good people", or that there are a lot more "good" people out there. My life experience and perhaps naive beliefs lead me to think that it's the last option.

Sacha Greif

I'm sure this is a well-worn debate by now, but it always rubs me the wrong way when people bring up the loss of job as an anti-AI argument… by that logic, wouldn't a cure for cancer be bad, because it would put so many oncologists out of a job? The fact that people's health and well-being are tied to having a job when they shouldn't be is a real problem, but I don't think it's specific to AI.

Sacha Greif
>>152784898

I mean, people freak out at literally every single technological advancement. I'm sure they had the same debates about photography vs painting. I think what makes AI special is that (rightly or wrongly) we've been told that it has world-ending potential if mishandled. So there's an aura of danger/destructiveness that spreads to other aspects of the AI debate and warps the discussion a bit, in my opinion.

Travis Young

Jeff, definitely go to Tokyo. My wife and I went this past March and had an amazing week. We didnt take our kids cause theyre 4 and 2, but there are plenty of things for kids to experience and major towns are friendly and accommodating to foreigners. Stay somewhere chill, we got a hotel near Shimomaruko Station, and you can take the train to Shibuya, Shinjuku, or downtown Tokyo in under 30min. Check out Teamlabs Planets, Tokyu Kabukicho Tower, and eat at a Yamachan.

Hahmstrung
>>152784898

The major difference is that when a human artist is inspired by existing art they are able to take that influence and create something new and transformative. An AI does not have the capability to create, it can only copy and paste existing media with no intent. It does not look at a painting and get inspired, it "sees" bits that someone programmed them to interpret in specific ways and mimic the output. With AI there literally is nothing new under the sun because it can only mimic what has already been created by humans. AI can be a great tool but the problem comes when people think they can mostly or fully replace actual human artists (ironically a lot of this AI generated art has to be cleaned up by humans anyway, so you're really just creating unnecessary work instead of letting them be creative). Nobody cares when Speedtree is used in games to help artists create lush forests in video games, but people certainly do care when art assets are lazily reused or even stolen. As you've pointed out, even human artists have legal limitations as to how much they can borrow from existing works. When a songwriter samples an existing recording, they do have to get permission to use it. Using the same melody can potentially get you into legal trouble, as was the case with Radiohead and The Hollies over Creep. The generative AI that scrapes the internet for copyrighted material starts at-or-beyond that limitation placed on human artists.

Hahmstrung
>>152808797

I guess one major difference I can think of is that as a society one "goal" we have (ideally) is to eradicate as much pain and suffering as we can, whereas the furthering of art and creativity is to be nurtured. Another is that an oncologist would have a much easier time moving to another field of study versus, say, an artist or physical laborer whose entire field of employment wouldn't exist anymore. They would also have a much greater safety net than the artist or laborer in case they did lose employment.

Donald Ward

Two clowns, both presumedly named Arthur…

David Esposito

I acted in two short films with the lead actress Lauren Lavera from Terrifier. One of which Dave gave a shout out to on the show several years ago. The two shorts are called “The Undoing” and “Mulk.” You can find em on YouTube under Mind Palace Pictures. Lil plug.

Mountain of Conflict
>>152808797

The more obvious examples would be agriculture and clothing for example. The latter which the Luddites come from. But without those advancements we would be a lot poorer. But artists get special treatment.

Stranger2Reality

Unfortunately I have to agree with Dave about how many people showed themselves to not be good, kind and generous during the pandemic and the Trump years. When told that simply getting vaccinated and wearing a mask would save others, so many people responded with anger and indignation. Being asked to do such a small thing infuriated so many people and that was incredibly telling. On top of that, so many people still support Trump despite how incompetent and dangerous he's proven himself to be, and the main reason so many people support him? It's because it angers liberals (or if not that then it's because they're in favor of bigotry, which is worse). This isn't a small section of society, and it isn't limited to America. The last decade or so has tested the goodness and decency of society and we've failed miserably. All this last decade has shown is that roughly half of us will gleefully stab the other half in the back just for the thrill of it.

J Hay

I first met Rian Johnson when I worked on a day of reshoots for “The Brothers Bloom”. Then I did “Looper” and some behind-the-scenes stuff for “The Last Jedi”. He’s a good, mellow guy.

Eric Phillips

I came here to caution against watching the Terrifier franchise after watching the first two in the last couple of days. These are awful films and I don’t get the love for them at all.

Trevor Wall

I love Jeff and continue to love his kind heart and undying optimism for humanity. Just one aspect that I found glaringly missing from his pov around the goodness of humanity and people wanting to help each other as a collective human species is race. I’m not suggesting anything other than it’s clear he has a blind spot, as many do. We all speak from our own experiences and I’m not suggesting anything negative about his character just as I was listening, as a Black man, it’s omission stood out to me in the context of this topic. Love you Jeff and continue to love vulnerability and authenticity.

Iker Maruri

Davindras immigrants comment at the end is something I have experienced plenty and also as an immigrant baffles me constantly

hexum311add

Damn what a great conversation that really stimulated thought within me. I don’t really have the time to type out my thoughts but I’ll ask GPT if it can’t help me. ;) love y’all

Scott M. Adams
>>152803426

I take back what I said above. Apparently there are a lot more really terrible people out there than I initially thought. Thanks for crushing my optimism America.