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Hey everyone! Earlier this week Patreon made an announcement that starting in November 2024, NEW memberships that are paid through the iOS app on Apple devices will be subject to the fee that people like to call the "Apple Tax" which is 30%. Apple has kind of been forcing this on a ton of companies over the past few years and now it's Patreon's turn. This 30% already applies to Patreon Shop purchases made through the iOS app and now memberships are up next. You can read all about this here.

The 30% does not apply to new memberships when:

You are on an iOS device, but you sign up directly on Patreon's website (in Safari, Chrome, etc.)

You are on an Android device and sign up through the Patreon for Android app

You are on a computer/laptop and sign up directly on Patreon's website

❗ Current members, even if you signed up through the iOS app, are not affected. However if you cancel your membership here and come back after Nov 2024, then the 30% fee in the iOS app would apply at that time.

Unfortunately, Patreon creators are only given two options for managing this 30% fee:

We pay it ourselves, and it goes with our other fees (the Patreon platform fees and payment processing fees)

We pass it to the customer, so they will see a higher price for memberships and Shop items through the iOS app (but not anywhere else)

📢 I want to make it clear that I have chosen the "pass it to the customer" option, which means that I strongly encourage EVERYONE (whether you're a current member who may cancel and return later or if you're considering becoming a paid member at some point) to avoid using the iOS app to support me. Please open Patreon on a web browser instead. ⭐

I remember when Apple pushed this on Twitch a while ago and myself and other streamers were encouraging our viewers to avoid making purchases through the iOS Twitch app and to do it through the browser, because Twitch elected to pass the 30% directly to the consumers. While Patreon is giving creators a choice, I would be very surprised if creators choose to pay it themselves.

It's an absurd and unreasonable cash grab by Apple, plain and simple.

I know there are some companies that have tried in the past or are currently trying to fight this. Spotify, Epic Games, Fanhouse. I also know that there is an ongoing legal battle with Apple's policies out of the EU. Fingers crossed that maybe one day Apple can be forced to stop trying to strong-arm other companies into this BS.

The following information does not apply to my page and my memberships, but this may apply to those of you who are pledged to other reactors, so I wanted to make note of it.

Apple is not allowing Patreon to offer all of their billing models through their iOS app moving forward while continuing to have an iOS app. Patreon has thus made the decision to convert all creators to their subscription billing model. This is the model where you pay monthly on the day you sign up (and I have had this enabled on this page for almost 2 years now).

There are many reactors on Patreon who are still on the first-of-the-month billing model who will be forced to switch. They can do this right away, but they also have the option to delay switching until Nov 2025. Current members are unaffected and will continue paying on the first as long as their membership is active without cancellation.

I know this was a lot of info and Patreon has pushed out a lot of info about this as it is truly affecting every creator on the platform. What bothers me (and others) is that we can't see any data on what devices our members are using to access our content currently.

TL;DR: Apple sucks. Don't pay for anything through iOS apps.

Let me know if you have any questions and I'm happy to respond!

✦ KL

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Movies with KL

I ditched Apple products completely back in 2018 and have no desire to go back. EDIT: That's a lie, I still have an iPad, but I barely use it anymore!

Brian Leonard

The only good thing about Apple is their streaming service

Movies with KL

And thankfully you don't need an Apple device to enjoy it!

Dan Dedrick

Thanks for informing your patrons, KL. I use Android, but seeing Apple applying these extra "taxes" on all these services has made me sad for those with iPhones.

DarkLadyofSilver

I’ve had an iPhone for years but each new bad decision by them is making me want to switch. Unfortunately new phone is fairly new

Chad Jenkins

Apple does a lot of things well, but unfortunately they do a bunch of these underhanded tactics to get the big money

Marty McGee

I've always had an iphone but prefer using my laptop to stream reactions. Occasionally I may use my ipad for streaming on the patreon app, but I only subscribe through the web using my windows laptop. Hopefully this means this doesn't apply to me then? Also, Google just lost their anti-trust case. It's only a matter of time before the Justice Department goes after Apple as well.

Movies with KL

If you only subscribe through the web browser, then you're good!

Tom Evans

Oof I'm glad I do Patreon through a browser. But now I'm going to be taking a closer look at things that I do pay for through my iPhone.

Future_Boy85

I'm so glad that I've never owned any Apple devices. They keep on giving me reasons not to 😅

Death Lego

I've been fairly anti apple for the best part of a decade because of their compatibility strategies. The only thing I own is some Beats earphones, because of the design, and being a little ignorant that they are are now owned by Apple too. My head maybe metal, but I'll never be full conversion. I'm old school, I never had the Lumic earbuds. (That's for Whom's that 👃🏻's the reference.) 😆

HugoBoss435

To each their own but I’m team Apple all the way. I get the new iPhone every year, I have an iPad, MacBook, Apple Watch, HomePods, Apple TV’s, etc. They make my life easier

Scraz

I tried switching to android and even though the hardware was roughly 7 years ahead of what was on the iPhone at the time, it was such a terrible user experience I went back. So I’m a reluctant iPhone user. Anyway, thanks for the heads up, and the info about your choice and the decision making process. Totally reasonable.

Movies with KL

I hear ya. My initial switch off iPhone was to a couple different Samsung phones and they were fine but I never *loved* them. Almost went back to iPhone, but then I had a Motorola phone for a bit and loved that and by that point I was familiar enough with Android and what can be done with it. Now I've been on the Google Pixel phones for the last 4 years and they're def the best I've had. Can't see myself switching off from the Pixel unless Google stops making them. 😂

Tyler Foster

thrilled to not be an Apple user