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IMPORTANT: I ended up watching the Extended Cut of this, which was the version released on Germany's 25th Anniversary edition of this movie. 🫠 You can see the differences here between the theatrical and extended cut. There's not a ton of runtime added, but the extensions are during a few different scenes throughout the movie. I want to be much less reliant on streaming services moving forward as I'm starting to really get exhausted by the constant price increases, the low video quality, the constant switching of platforms that movies/shows are available on, and the mergers. ED1 and 2 were borrows from a friend, but to save time/energy they ended up not digitizing what they owned but giving me an online copy, but it ended up being this version and not what they had.

Ash is def the hottest character in horror so far. 😏 I'm looking forward to your thoughts! Thanks for watching!

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Evil Dead II (1987) | Full-Length Watchalong Reaction

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Tyler Foster

Can't wait to watch this, although it may have to wait until tomorrow.

Steve Mercier

Other than one of the greatest Part II's in history, I'm not really sure what to call this one. It's more of a reimagining of the first movie than a sequel, only by the same director and with the same star and with the same premise: but turned up all the way to fucking 11. And I love it for it. This movie is so manic, over-the-top, holy-shit fucking gonzo spastic, it bends horror and comedy into a completely new organism, and then sends it hurtling toward the audience with no apologies Going to cook some food, and watch this, and try not to choke while laughing and smiling. Gooooooooooooooooooooood shit!

Vincent Hollow

Not me watching the 1hr24min version, not thinking there'd be two, for almost 20 minutes, and absolutely losing my mind wondering why it kept getting out of sync. 🙃 Let's try this again, shall we.

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Oh nooooo, I didn't even check to see if there were multiple versions (just assumed there wouldn't be). I really need to start checking these for *every* single movie. 😂 This is why I always state the runtime in the intro, though!

Nathan Jasper

Love this one way more than the original. The whole sequence of going insane in the cabin is peak Bruce Campbell 😆

Nathan Jasper

It's a requel. Just start the second movie where the first movie ends and it all makes perfect sense lol

Tyler Foster

I think he must be talking about a version with PAL speedup. As far as I know, there are no official alternate cuts of Evil Dead 2. Army of Darkness on the other hand, has at least three official cuts. In many cases I would gravitate toward an alternate cut or longer cut if it represented the director's vision more, but in this case, many of the lines and scenes that people consider to be iconic are in the theatrical version only, and so I would recommend that you watch that one.

Tyler Foster

I am always surprised how many people are thrown by this. It is only a sequel. The beginning of the movie is the last shot of the first movie. Everything before that is a truncated and slightly altered recap of that movie. They didn't have the rights to the footage so they had to reshoot it, and since they were reshooting it, they boiled it down to just Ash's girlfriend, and run through it as fast as possible.

Vincent Hollow

Could you let me know what streaming platform you were watching it on? The one I used was on Fandango, but I looked after and the other platforms (that weren't free with ads) also had an 84min runtime, although Prime had 81min listed so I dont know about that one.

Steve Mercier

Yes, I know. As I said, it's MORE of a reimagining THAN a sequel.

Chris Elkins

Gotta give it to Bruce going through all the self punishment and getting plastered by various liquids and such playing the character Ash. I would suggest watching Army of Darkness the 3rd film before putting the series on the back burner cause it ties the series together in a Trilogy. Ive always found it funny about the cabin size, on the outside its small but I swear its gotta bunch of rooms once inside including the basement size . Any thoughts of watching the TV Series, its 3 seasons 30 episodes.

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The TV series, probably not. There are a number of TV shows that are a higher priority for me.

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I am actually trying to avoid the streaming platforms as much as I can these days, so I watched this off of a disc. However, I saw that the movie is free to watch on Plex: https://watch.plex.tv/movie/evil-dead-ii Does that link work for you? This is the same version that I watched. Just note that right after the group of ads at the start, the movie immediately begins, whereas my version has a message and a title card first. I looked into the differences and the 84 minute version has all of the low-quality footage, whereas the 81 minute version does not. Apparently the 84 min version is the most common, so I'm not sure why so many streaming platforms have the 81 minute one.

Tyler Foster

It's crazy that you watched this off of a disc! Having since researched this (a version I had never heard of in 20+ years of being a fan of the movie), as far as I can tell, it has only ever been officially included on one release anywhere in the world, a German Blu-ray from 2013, and one that ought to be extremely valuable. So either you ended up with a bootleg, or I don't know what happened. FWIW, when I say "official cut," it's a little bit of a misnomer. My definition of an "official cut" would be a version that is included on an authorized home video release of the movie *and* which carries the implication that you can watch it as "the movie." For example, the Mallrats DVD, Blu-ray, and 4K include a cut of the film that has all the deleted scenes put back in, but there is an introduction where Kevin Smith states that it only exists for the fans, as a curiosity/more fun way to see the footage than just watching deleted scenes, especially since in the case of Mallrats much of the footage was completely replaced, and doesn't entirely make sense with the finished film because it repeats information they ended up putting in the reshoots. The most common version of what I'd call "official" would be an Unrated or Extended version, which generally carry that presumption that you could watch either one and it would be fine. This definition also leaves out TV edits, which might technically be official, but seem irrelevant because the directors are most often not involved with these edits, and the only work done to them is generally censorship, although some of them have additional deleted scenes added for time if the resulting cut-down movie is too short. Furthermore, TV cuts are pretty rarely included on discs *because* they are censored, so in most cases the only place you'd ever encounter a TV edit is, naturally, while watching TV. With this in mind, I cannot find any confirmation that this is actually an "official" cut of the movie in the sense that Raimi approved of it, but I also can't find the original press release or promotional ad copy for the release, so who knows. The footage that looks low-quality is sourced from tape because it doesn't exist in any other form; it was lost and/or destroyed. I saw a quote from Raimi saying he didn't know the footage even survived anymore, but he may have been talking about a Mexican television edit. Last but not least: if you do start looking up running times to make sure the version of the movie you have is correct, I imagine you know this, but DO NOT TRUST GOOGLE. Always go to IMDb, which will list the correct theatrical cut running time, and based on that, if you have a cut that runs a different length, then you would know to start researching what cut you have. This is my recommendation over just searching, say, "Evil Dead 2 multiple cuts" because I suspect you would get clearer information faster if you first know the theatrical cut is 84 minutes. Another resource I often look at is a website called DVDCompare. For example, here is a page for Evil Dead II: https://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=11795 If you ignore most of the page (which is for collectors to know which edition to buy) and scroll all the way to the bottom, you'll see a list of all the releases collected on the page and the runtimes of the feature included on each disc. In this case, especially if you were starting with the info that the theatrical cut is 84 minutes long, the mention of the German extended version would probably have jumped right out at you. There are minor differences for different distributor logos at the beginning for the film in different countries, so I would generally err toward the side of the US version as the default (which won't be affected by PAL speedup, ever) and then look to see if other cuts exist. If you use DVDCompare, I would generally advise looking at Blu-ray releases, which will offer a wider range of releases than 4K and avoid any PAL runtimes from the DVD era. (I can also try and help answer any questions about an alternate cut that you probably will not as easily be able to determine through research, such as which cut is generally preferred by the movie's fans, and the potentially contradictory info on which version of the film people will most easily be able to access for watch-alongs -- it's not always the theatrical cut.)

Tyler Foster

Further research: the additional scenes in this version aren't even an actual copy of the missing footage. Instead, they used camcorder footage of the filming of the alternate sequences always intended to be behind-the-scenes material in place of the footage that was lost or destroyed. I think it is safe to say that this version is not approved by Raimi (although in the end, it also sounds like this is not such a diversion from the original cut to have altered the core story in any way).

Vincent Hollow

I appreciate you going above and beyond to see if there was any sort of information about it. I did a little investigating and found similar results, thought not of the 2013 Geman disc, but then again, my search was pretty quick. I did check the one on Plex she suggested, just to see, and it was unfortunately the same situation. It was right about 6 minutes in after Ash gets slammed into the tree and faceplants into the puddle that I could notice the footage being different. It is a bit of a bummer, but I can always wait until the YouTube edit to still enjoy the reaction anyway, even if it's not rhe full movie.

Tyler Foster

This is more than the full movie, since it's longer! So of all the options that weren't the theatrical cut, this is arguably better because it seems to cover the whole film and then some rather than being missing anything.

Tyler Foster

Okay! Took a bit of searching but I eventually managed to find a copy of the film that mostly worked with this cut of the film. As it turns out, this is also not *exactly* the version that appeared on a single release anywhere in the world, a German Blu-ray edition. The way this version was created, as I explained in a reply but will summarize again, is that whoever made this took some clips from behind-the-scenes filming of the movie and inserted them into the film, along with (if I'm not mistaken) some actual deleted or alternate footage from a Mexican TV edit. However, during the watch-along, I noticed whoever put out the DVD that you had re-inserted at least some footage from the original film in place of the longer BTS/deleted footage. The good news is that I was right. Honestly, I don't think I could've been wrong in this case: Evil Dead 2 in its finished form is 84 minutes and this one is 87, so even accounting for the fact that some of the new material is replacing finished footage, I think there's less than 5 minutes total difference between the two versions of the film, and none of the movie's most iconic scenes were altered or missing in any meaningful way. The thing that frustrates me about this cut is that this is largely because there was no reason for someone to bother to make this. Maybe if the finished original footage survived and someone was just trying to make the longest possible version, I'd get it, but the added material is just mild extensions to what's in the film already, and worse, since it's often BTS footage, there's no way to know if what is being used here actually plays anything like the footage would if it had been the finished material. Fan editors: don't do this! I will say that I do think at some point it might be fun if you did a rewatch live-stream of the theatrical cut of the movie. Since it is pretty much the film you already saw, you'll probably want a good chunk of time before returning to it, but I think in addition to seeing a film that isn't jumping back and forth between decent and poor-looking footage (you can even get the movie in full 4K UHD), the sound and audio mixing is probably much crisper and will make for an improved experience. Another thing covered in the other comments but which I'll repeat: the whole opening with Linda is indeed a recap of The Evil Dead, reshot because the filmmakers didn't have the legal right to use the footage. That said, Raimi did sneak in some little changes, probably because he had no plans to make a sequel when the first film was made -- in the original, of course, Ash throws the Necronomicon in the fire at the end, but since the whole original movie is condensed and huge chunks are omitted, it's fine and dandy in this one. Evil Dead II was largely shot in what I am sure is exactly the first place you'll guess: that's right, the cabin set was built inside a high school gymnasium in Wadesboro, North Carolina. Apparently it was quite hot and a bit miserable in there. The secret to Raimi's camerawork? Who cares how it's achieved, as long as the effect looks good. The trademark "Evil Dead" POV camera flying through the woods is just the camera attached to two-by-four, with one person on the left and one person on the right with the camera in the middle, and they'd run with it. Shots such as the POV flying up through the rear windshield of the car, through the interior of the car, and out through the front windshield were done with the camera on a long pole. You were correct about the bridge scene (the background is a matte painting), and there are also miniatures, stop-motion animation, and any other camera trick one can think of. I know the scene you asked about with Linda's disembodied corpse and the chainsaw was achieved by digging a trench in the workshed that isn't seen in the shot, and a puppeteer with the torso on a stick is lying in it smacking Bruce with it. As Bruce explains in his great, funny autobiography If Chins Could Kill: Confessions of a B-Movie Actor, if you see him getting whacked with something in one of these movies, Sam is probably swinging it, delighting in torturing his old friend a little bit for the sake of entertainment. Finally, the incredible mirror shot, you make a comment about not seeing a "visual change." I don't know for sure what you meant, but this is a practical effect. The first shot of Bruce stepping up to the mirror and then the final shots of him touching it and stepping away are a real mirror, but for the middle shot, it's a body double in the foreground and the real Bruce in the "mirror" mimicking the motions until it's time to pop through. One of the greatest effects shots in the movie, for sure. The increased amount of comedy in this one was intentional. When Raimi made the original movie, I think he was mostly trying to make a splashy impression as a first-time filmmaker, and to make the craziest, goriest movie possible probably seemed like it would do the trick. Here, he's more interested in telling a story, and as such the movie is a little more in keeping with his personal sensibilities, and he tends to inject his films with a wicked sense of humor. Raimi has two brothers, Ted and Ivan. Ted is famous as a character actor, appearing as one of the newsroom crew in the Raimi's Spider-Man movies, and here he plays the demonic Henrietta, Annie's poor possessed mother. Sam also appears in the film himself at the very end, as the knight who names Ash the savior. Ivan will enter the off-camera picture with the third film, serving as co-writer. Speaking of which, if you're going to take a break, I would recommend waiting for the longer break after Army of Darkness. The first three Evil Dead movies are a trilogy and do sort of "go together" in a way that is less true of the other two that currently exist, The Evil Dead (2013) and Evil Dead Rise (2023) (with Evil Dead Burn, releasing in July, and Evil Dead Wrath, currently filming, coming soon). To be clear, that's not to say whether or not the other films tie in, as I'll leave that for you to experience, just that I think the journey would benefit from the Indiana Jones approach. Last but not least, as I mentioned before, there are at least three primary cuts of Army of Darkness: the US theatrical cut (81m), the director's cut (96m), and the International Cut (89m), as well as a TV cut (93m). All of the original Evil Dead movies were some of the most widely-recognized examples of a "cult film" during the early days of the DVD era. For many, this started with the original two Evil Deads, but a significant portion of the audience for these movies discovered them because Army of Darkness was a bit of a late-night TV staple, and then a phenomenon on DVD. As such, so many of the scenes and lines that the movie is famous for and which are quoted by fans are only in the theatrical version, in particular the movie's memorable epilogue. For that reason, I would say you should only consider watching that version, or you'll be missing out on some of the most iconic material (even though most of the extensions are very good -- the ideal cut for me would include a lot of the additional material, and preserve some key one-liners and the epilogue from the theatrical version). (Part of the reason the third movie was seen by many on its own, making it much more popular among mainstream crowds than the first two, is that there's no indication in the title "Army of Darkness" that the movie is a sequel to the other two. I like the title Army of Darkness, but I do wish they had been able to keep the original, brilliant title: The Medieval Dead.)

Tyler Foster

An unimportant follow-up to the note about these being big DVD hits: I think over the years I have owned 13 different editions of Army of Darkness on home video. I didn't own it until DVD, so I escaped any VHS copies. 1 - Anchor Bay Special Edition DVD [Theatrical Cut] (1999) 2 - Anchor Bay "Bootleg" Edition [Director's Cut] DVD (2001) 3 - MGM Region 3 DVD [International Cut] DVD (2003) 4 - Anchor Bay Director's Cut DVD (2000) 5 - Anchor Bay "Boomstick" Edition [TC/DC] DVD (2003) 6 - Universal HD-DVD [TC] (2006) 7 - Universal "Screwhead" Edition DVD [TC] (2010) 8 - Universal "Screwhead" Edition Blu-ray [TC] (2010)* 9 - Anchor Bay Limited Edition [TC/DC] DVD (1999)** 10 - Universal DVD [TC] (1998)** 11 - Shout! Factory Blu-ray Steelbook [TC/DC/IC/TV cut] (2018) 12 - Shout! Factory Blu-ray [TC/DC/IC/TV cut] (2015) 13 - Shout! Factory 4K UHD [TC/DC/IC/TV cut] (2022) One of the biggest not-so-secret bits of bullshit here is that all of the Anchor Bay releases listed are, secretly, the same two discs. The Limited Edition (the 8th version I owned) is a 2-disc set with the theatrical version on one DVD and the director's cut on the other. When Anchor Bay first put out the film in 1999, they released two versions at once, a Limited Edition featuring the theatrical cut on one disc, and the director's cut on the second, and a Special Edition, which was just the first disc, and no director's cut. The Limited Edition sold out almost immediately, so they rereleased the director's cut as a limited edition stand-alone 1-disc the year after and it also immediately sold out. After people started pirating the disc, they released their own "Bootleg" edition, which was the DC but this time it had artwork that was intentionally designed to look like a fan-made copy. Then in 2003 they just printed the whole set again as the "Boomstick" edition. It is not entirely unrealistic to believe Army of Darkness sales alone kept Anchor Bay, a now-defunct home video label, in business for at least an entire year; by the time their license ended even Bruce Campbell would frequently joke about how many times they'd rereleased the movie on home video and made more money off of it. Thankfully, I do feel very confident it will never get any better than the 4K UHD. The movie looks great, and it has all of the various cuts and all the extra features I could ever want. I think I've bought my last copy! *The reason I had both the DVD and Blu-ray is the DVD was sent to me for review for free, and I bought the Blu-ray. **Army of Darkness has one of the greatest theatrical poster illustrations of all time. These two editions I only owned very briefly and got for free/cheap just because I wanted the copy on my shelf to be this classic artwork, and most of the other editions don't use it for some reason.

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13 versions, wow. 😂 Theatrical, got it. Thanks for all the info, as always! And I'm so sorry the version I watched ended up being so whack, good god. I appreciate you letting me know about all of that. I didn't actually source a disc myself, but I thought I was watching a digitized disc. I asked a friend for the Evil Dead's to watch and they forwarded MP4's to me. I have to assume both movies were torrented instead of their actual discs being digitized and sent (which is what I wanted). And I mean, fair, it's faster (from their perspective). Seems ED1 was fine, but this not so much. 💀 I'm annoyed that nobody is able to properly watch along to this.

Tyler Foster

It is a shame for the watch-along folks but at least in the YT edit, if you don't feel like explaining it to people, it's easy to tell which footage to leave out.

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I own the german Blu-Ray and after editing KL's reaction, she watched the version I own. I double checked with a german website called Schnittberichte (they do comparisons of different cut versions of movies) and there was nothing in there that is not on my Blu Ray. So she did infact watch exactly the version that appeared on a single release anywhere in the world, a German Blu-ray edition.

Tyler Foster

I mean...all I can say is that I was given the version that was on the German Blu-ray, and what I had was different from what was in this full-length. Not by much -- if you were only looking at a photo/text comparison rather than actually syncing the movie, you'd never notice. The two tiny differences that I can remember off the top of my head is that the part where he cuts off Linda's head with the shovel in the prologue did not sync. In that case, I can't actually remember what was different, I just remember that it was off by at least two or three seconds, and I had to pause either the reaction or the movie to get them back in line with each other (this stood out because it was right at the beginning, and I still wasn't confident the reaction and copy that I had were going to work). The other change I remember more clearly, which is that my copy replaced Ash chopping his hand off with some of that behind the scenes footage, but I could clearly see in The blurred frame that appeared in KL's video that her copy had restored the finished version of him chopping his hand off.

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I have looked into this a bit more. Germany has had a lot of Blu-Ray releases for this movie, so both of you just saying you have "the" German Blu-Ray doesn't help me much. 😂 Based on the runtime that I had, the differences outlined between the theatrical/uncut vs. extended cut (all displayed nicely on that website Miles linked - thank you!) and knowing that I definitely watched all of those extended scenes, this means that I watched the 25th Anniversary edition of the Blu-Ray, which released in Germany back in September 2013. (It released in a cool looking wooden box.) There is no Mexican TV footage in this, just around 3 minutes of behind the scenes camcorder footage done by Greg Nicotero and Vern Hyde. I looked up some of the Mexican TV edit footage out of curiosity and it's not familiar. (There's also so much of it??) I noticed that there is another release of this movie from Germany that's a lot more bootleg. XXL Version, it's called, and has around 3 mins of extra footage like the version I watched. While it's also just camcorder footage, it's edited into the movie a lot worse, apparently. So perhaps that one is the version that you watched, Tyler? I'm not sure. That seems to be the only version that makes sense though. Every other release looks to be a shorter runtime.

Tyler Foster

In any case, it is different than the one in the video, and as mentioned, the most obvious difference between the one that I watched and the one that you watched is the one that you watched has the theatrical version of him chopping his hand off, whereas mine had the camcorder footage. The wooden German Blu-ray that you mention is the one that I was speaking of. As far as I can tell, that is the only edition that includes a second version of the movie anywhere in the world. I will say again that the difference between my version and your version probably affects less than 10 seconds of the movie, and I believe it probably would have shortened your version by somewhere between 3 and 5 seconds, so we're talking about a very minute difference between the two versions. Either mine or yours must be a fan version.

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I think yours is a fan version, then. According to that German website, there is no difference in either scene between the original and extended cuts. To try and verify this, I watched the Ash hand scene on YouTube and it's the same as the version that I watched (with one small exception that has nothing to do with Ash's hand: on YouTube there is a shot of the front of the cabin right after the shot of the moon, but my version omits this and goes from the moon to the shot of the four people walking on the forest trail with their flashlights on). Neither my version or the YouTube upload of the scene has any camcorder footage during it. As for Linda's head being chopped, I wasn't able to find a video of this scene on YouTube easily (and I don't have time to really dig to see if I can find one) but with your version being different than mine (though not by much), perhaps you have the "Severely Edited for Television" edit in yours. They indicate that it removed the shot of her head flying at the camera, and then there was a brief 14 frames removed during the actual chopping off part. I have both of these in the version that I watched, as I had a very clear facial expression reaction to the shot of her head flying at the camera. 😂 You're right, these differences barely add up to anything at all. But it's still nice to try and get confirmation on what exactly I watched. I'll be editing my post to reflect the version that I watched hopefully sometime later today or tomorrow.