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Buffy 7x20 (Extended) - Touched (Patreon)

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2024-06-28 21:47:51
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2024-07-12 14:15:47
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Keenan White

The final stretch, here we go!!

Keenan White

And in regards to The First Evil, it can never physically harm anyone on it’s own, it fights through those that follow it, so the physical threat actually comes from Caleb, the Bringers, and the Vampire Army that it’s steadily raising…as well as anyone else that it can manipulate into doing it’s bidding.

Bud Haven

I saw that you understood what Buffy meant when she said , "You really have problems with that word." I know Buffy forgave Spike for his attack and knows that Spike is more William now. Much like she knew Angelus was not Angel, Although it was a longer road. Because we, and she, expected more from Spike. But she still remembers what happened. Now she sees Spike as someone she has feelings for but also as her best friend. Willow lost that spot when she decided to resurrect her. But no one filled that space until Spike.

Ray D

This episode to me is kind of meh. Not bad but not great. This one especially feels very filler, especially for this close to the end. Besides the Faith/mayor and Buffy/spike stuff I think this episode is pretty boring

Ron Fehr

Thanks for the explanation, Domi. I was wondering why this was posted a little later than usual.

Ron Fehr

Buffy was definitely right about the vineyard, but this was one time when she didn't need the Potentials. They would've just been in the way. This was a one-on-one fight, basically speed (Buffy) against strength (Caleb). Buffy reached her objective by being faster than Caleb.

StephanieB

A live group chat after the finale is a great idea, Domi! It would be more fun to comiserate over the end of an era all together, I think. And I'd love for us to share some favorite fan-made videos, there's a whole world of them on YT, as you might imagine. I'm on the west coast, so whatever time you pick will probably work for me since it's earlier here. About this episode title, you guessed right on all counts: "Touched" refers to the emotional (Buffy/Spike), physical (all the couples at the house) and pseudo-spiritual/religious (a nod to Caleb's preacher persona). It also refers to Buffy's brilliant way of outsmarting Caleb, by avoiding his "touch". She knew she couldn't take him in a physical fight so she devised a way to avoid any contact whatsoever.

StephanieB

Quite the contrary, Domi, I LOVE how you rushed to Buffandra's defense! I was with you all the way, it was satisfying to see all the in-fighting with the team right after Buffy left and to cheer Spike on as he reprimanded them all for turning against her. It still baffles me how they could all just tell her to leave knowing Caleb, the bringers and who knows what else was lurking out there in Sunnydale after dark. Shame on them all.

StephanieB

I think the point of Faith sending out someone to find Buffy and make sure she's okay was just that... it wasn't meant to spy on her. I think the point was to show that Faith isn't comfortable with the way things went down and isn't trying to take Buffy's place in the house. But she knows things are tense and though she wants to make sure Buffy's okay and safe, she also wants to give her her space.

Khanach

My take on the last 2 episodes: in the previous one everyone was kinda wrong (including Buffy), in this one everyone is kinda right

Ron Fehr

I look at parts of this episode as a test of Faith's leadership ability. She didn't want to be the leader (check the last episode, and you'll hear her say so), but when given no choice, she had to at least try.

Ron Fehr

My favorite part of the episode was the pep talk(?) that Spike gave to Buffy. I like what he said about why he loved her. She tried to do the right thing, no matter how bad the circumstances.

Ron Fehr

At one point, I thought I heard her mention doing the livestream on a Sunday, which would probably work better for me. But I'm just offering my thoughts on the matter. It would be a shame to miss it, but if it turns out that I can't participate, I'll just have to deal with it.

StephanieB

The way he says “how you try” always brings tears to my eyes.

StephanieB

I find parts of this episode really cleverly written. As Ron said, much of it is centered on a test of Faith’s leadership ability. I think the way she decides on the time for the meeting with Giles- changing it from “I don’t know, around 7” to “No, 7 sharp” is a clever way to suggest her internal struggle to sound authoritative. And in the end her “plan” is in fact a combination of Andrew’s and Kennedy’s ideas. I also find it interesting that early in the episode Caleb dehumanizes the Bringers, comparing them to dogs (“I think they pant, like dogs”). It subliminally allows the audience to think that they are just blind (heh) followers and not capable of lying and setting a trap for Faith and the Potentials. It also makes the moment when Giles slits the Bringer’s throat a little less jarring, as we never really think of him as fully human.

Girl4Music

What I love most about this whole scene is they’re the only couple not having sex during the tonal montage. Faith and Wood Willow and Kennedy Xander and Anya They’re all sleeping together for the night in Buffy’s own house. And then there’s Buffy and Spike in an abandoned apartment; which is where they were at the first time they had sex; just resting together. It’s really quite poetic and honestly, probably my favourite scene in the whole season. Included with Spike’s monologue moments before it of course. I mean I don’t like a lot of Season 7. Especially not the latter half of it when the Potentials come into it. But because I don’t, the scenes and sequences and moments I do like somehow seem just that little bit more special than they would be if I did like Season 7. And this whole tonal montage to Heather Nova’s ‘It’s Only Love’ is really quite a breathtaking sequence.

Girl4Music

Imagine if it was Willow and Anya or Willow and Faith in ‘Touched’ instead of Willow and Kennedy. I can see it!

Girl4Music

First on-screen lesbian sex scene on primetime TV is Willow and Kennedy. According to Gay Times: “Willow’s sex scene with the divisive potential slayer Kennedy in season seven was the first lesbian sex scene on primetime television.” I’m not the biggest fan of Kennedy and I will always wish this first was Willow and Tara instead but representation is representation. To be honest, despite that, I actually quite like it. The scene is touching (pun intended - the episode is called ‘Touched’) and consensual when many other on-screen/off-screen sex scenes in ‘BtVS’ are not - including the suggestive sex between Willow and Tara in the musical episode ‘Once More, With Feeling’. So it makes a huge difference to my opinion towards it. It’s very sensual and it serves somewhat of a clever parallel in that Willow confesses in an earlier scene to Kennedy that she’s scared to have sex with her because she believes she’ll turn into “Big Bad Willow”, as Kennedy put it, again. Referring to the Season 6 3-part finale when Willow turned into Dark Willow. The turning-evil-after-sex narrative is very familiar territory as they did the same thing with Angel in Season 2’s ‘Innocence’ when Angel became his evil alter-ego Angelus after his first intimate night spent with Buffy. I just thought it was a clever call back to that whole situation. But Kennedy reassured Willow that that wouldn’t happen and she was right about it. The fact Kennedy only went ahead with the love-making after getting full information about Willow’s concerns and full consent from her completely redeemed her as a character in my eyes. Up until this point I could not stand her character. Between her constantly harassing Willow to coerce her to “hang out” with her because she had a crush on her and bullying other potential slayers - she was not a very likeable character for me. She was pushy and arrogant and brash, so I just found it very difficult to like her. I know the whole point was for Willow to have a love interest that was more assertive than Oz or Tara but there’s a fine line between assertiveness and aggressiveness. And she was well on her way to crossing it. I’m glad that she reigned all that in when she got her way and Willow finally caved in to her. This sex scene and the conversation they had before it showed me that she could be a decent person. It’s a pity you don’t get to see Kennedy develop more because it was the final season but it is what it is.

Girl4Music

Is Willow a bad person for getting with somebody like Kennedy? It’s a relevant question to ask. Well, I think it’s been established for quite awhile now that Willow can be a pretty bad person herself. And I don’t mean the Dark Willow thing. I mean her tendency to control or fix things to her liking. Is it intentional? No, I don’t believe so. But nevertheless she’s too much of a wild card to realistically go into a new relationship with anyone. It’s not just about the struggle of moving on from Tara and letting herself go to be intimate with Kennedy. It’s about the fact that she’s got a lot of shit to sort out upstairs. She’s got to grow as a person. She’s got to learn her own worth. She’s got to learn to love herself. And then she can love someone else. Even someone like Kennedy, who is just as impulsive, if not more than she is. Is quick to reaction out of feeling uncomfortable. Wanting to have the last word in. Willow is pretty lenient in comparison but she’s still someone who wants it her way. She’s still someone who wants to dominate. Willow needs to expand on her self-awareness. Even in the scene where she had to confront Spike about Buffy’s whereabouts, she’s pretty oblivious to how she sounds to him in lying to him about it. She doesn’t realize that he is not believing a word of it and that’s because, unlike her, Spike is very self-aware. Especially now that he has a soul. He is aware of his reactions and emotions being a reactive and emotional being himself. And they no longer parallel each other like they did in Season 6. Don’t get me wrong. Willow is a very human - and therefore relatable - character… but she is still one of the most questionable characters in the show. I might be able to read her for filth but most people won’t be because her “innocent” act is convincing. And she might have learned that actions have risks and consequences coming back from the tail-spin of her lowest moment, but she’s still mentally and emotionally unstable. She’s still someone that is chaotic and not in control of her immense power. And I feel like if she even steps one toe out of line with Kennedy, she’ll regret it. The question is whether the girl can handle her being so heated herself. Or will she only serve to fan the flames even more? When push comes to shove, will Kennedy be able to quell the fire within? Tara could, you see. Every time the woman was about to burst, Tara could blanket the impact with her kindness and empathy. She perfectly balanced Willow’s nature with her own nature without really needing to try. The conversation Willow and Kennedy have just before making love would make it seem that Kennedy can too. But I’m not so sure once Willow really has to deal with adversity, she’ll be able to. I’m not so sure a more “assertive” type is the right person for her because I feel like they’re going to exacerbate their worst traits in each other when the going gets tough. They’ll eat each other alive. On the other hand though, Kennedy is much like Faith and Faith would definitely bring out in Willow her fun and liberated side as well as keep her in control and handle her fire. So maybe they could work 🤷‍♀️

Ron Fehr

Remember, the stuff that Lilah gave to Angel was in the Angel season finale, so it's expected that Buffy could be a little behind, timewise.

Ron Fehr

I think in Buffy's case, she and Spike actually just spent the night cuddling, no actual sex this time. Just my thought.

Ron Fehr

One thing that Faith was good at as leader was listening to others' views and choosing ideas that seemed promising, something I think is necessary for a good leader. She obviously didn't have Buffy's confidence, but she tried to take her advice, to not be afraid to lead.

Ron Fehr

The Potential that was always my favorite was Vi, and it was nice to see her become more involved in things. Also, the way she was talking showed an increase in confidence, compared to when we first saw her.

Girl4Music

That’s what I said.

Koz

The coolest part of this episode is Faith's "reunion" with The Mayor. But the most significant bit of dialogue that is often overlooked is Spike telling Buffy "you are a hell of a woman." A season earlier, this was exactly what Riley said to Buffy at the end of "As You Were." It was that moment that gave Buffy the strength to end things with Spike, and they never slept together again. After the ensuing ill deeds of Spike and his reclaiming his soul, he finally tells her the same thing Riley did. Even if the old Spike had told her that, it wouldn't have meant much. Now it means a great deal to her. And as a result, they share a bed, with no sex, and it means more to them both than any sex they ever had, I think.

Ron Fehr

Poor Dawnie. She went to all that trouble of finding a spell, in another language, to hear what the bringer had to say, only to find out the spell had been translated into English already.

Pauline Robertson

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Faith, but her and Willow would be🔥as a couple.