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Angel 5x08 (Extended) - Destiny (Patreon)

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2024-10-04 18:00:05
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2024-10

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LINDSAY YOU ARE MY DESTINY!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!!!

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Keenan White

Aaaaand this is where season 5 takes off!

Free Your Geek

Similar to Wesley in this episode, Cordelia was on vacation with Groo in season 3 and was gone a few episodes.

Ray D

Pretty sure that Wes was missing for this episode because Alexis had just gotten married to Alyson Hannigan and was given some time off. I believe that Xander wasn’t in the episode Conversations with Dead People in Buffy. So it does occasionally happen where a regular isn’t in an episode but it’s rare.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

This might be my favourite fight scene in the entire BtVSU. Buffy/Faith season 3 finale is hard to top but this one might just pull it off.

Brendan O'Connor

Wolfram and Hart’s Prodigal Son has returned

Superplin

The inconsistency of writing for Spike and the negation of his growth in S7 is a big part of why I disagreed with the conventional wisdom that this is the best season of Angel. I get that it's Angel's show so we see Spike more through his eyes, but I still find it really disappointing. That said, I 100% agree with Spike's line that Drusilla turned him but Angel made him a monster, and I think that's quite specifically what those flashbacks show us.

Maia Brodsky

I don't really get why people say his character writing is inconsistent. Because he wants to sleep with Harmony? Spike has been a hedonist the whole time we've known him, and he embraced that trait again as soon as he got his mojo back in 'Get It Done'. That's why he started smoking again the very second he defeated the demon in that episode. In fact, that actually IS one of my gripes about his character in Angel - he doesn't smoke anymore for some reason. I attribute it to the network. Anyway, the Spike persona is something he's always worn to protect William, even when he was soulless, and especially around someone who has hurt him like Angel(us) has over the years. Recall how harsh he was to Wood in 'Lies My Parents Told Me'? He only shows his inner softness to Buffy, and now to Fred on occasion. I actually love his portrayal in this episode, for the most part, and in this season in general. I understand how a surface-level observation of his behavior might lead one to see him as out of character here, but upon deeper examination, it all makes sense imo.

Superplin

I've done plenty deep reflection and examination of the season, thanks. We just have different opinions. I also mostly love his characterization in this specific episode, with a few exceptions. I agree that a core part of Spike's character is his physicality and love of the gritty realities of life (from dog racing to Manchester United). That said, overall this season I find him to be far less thoughtful and emotionally intelligent than he was shown to be by the end of BtVS S7. I can explain it away to some degree by the fact that he and Angel bring out the worst in each other, but I still find the writing to be much more reflective overall of an earlier Spike than what I would expect at this point in his arc. (For example, it doesn't seem remotely likely that he'd repeatedly reference the memories that surfaced during LMPTM, which were clearly traumatizing but here are played for laughs, or make a crack about "putting it to" Buffy after everything they went through together.) It's fine that you have a different take, fandom is a big tent, but it's condescending to suggest that someone who feels differently simply hasn't thought about it as deeply as you.

thompur

Yeah, this rates up there with buffyvFaith and XandervHarmony!

Keenan White

Wesley was M.I.A. because Alexis Denisof, the actor who portrays him had just gotten married to the lovely Miss Alyson Hannigan (Willow) and they were on their honeymoon, and as far as Spike’s writing this episode goes…and this season for that matter, we’ve been getting more of the old comic relief Spike to play off of the more straight man Angel, Spike was in a dark place for most of Buffy: Season 7, so it’s been refreshing to see this version of him return to be the ying to Angel’s yang, sometimes it’s best to just let yourself lighten up a little and just enjoy the ride, let’s see where the story with these two takes us, but you know a simpler way to look at this whole Spike thing would be…Buffy brings out the very best in him, while Angel tends to bring out the very worst.

Ron Fehr

The only reason I can see for Angel adopting an American accent, and Spike not doing so, is because re-ensouled Angel moved to America and Spike still traveled the world.

Ron Fehr

The reason given in the show for Wes's absence has to do with the previous episode. He had just killed what he thought was his father. And even though he found out that was not the case, it would still be a scarring experience, not something easily brushed aside.

Ron Fehr

I had to side with Spike, when it came to who deserved the cup more. Fighting to get your soul back outweighs having it forced upon you, regardless of the good deeds you may have done.

Ron Fehr

After hearing you yearn for Lindsay's return over the past seasons, there were times of temptation, wanting to tell you he would show up again.