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Buffy 2x14 (Extended) - Innocence (Patreon)

Published:
2020-12-28 17:00:08
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2024-07-09 23:06:28
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2026-06
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Day 8/7... Say what?! I'm on a freaking roll so I thought, why not? I was saving this video for tomorrow but I feel mean, I've already made you guys wait enough, so here you go ;)

Me in the beginning of the video: Guys, I gotta be very careful with my movements because of my stitches and all

Me in the end of the video: *falls off my chair for absolutely no reason*

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Todd Bolton

Great point about how Bad Eggs sets us up for multiple bad guys at a time and thinking that it signals a shift in the show from here on. And that the episodes are not tied up in a neat conclusion by the end Jenny was in group gatherings in “Prophecy Girl”, “Some Assembly Required”, “School Hard”, “Lie to Me”, and “The Dark Age”. She went out patrolling with Giles in “Ted”. She was at Buffy’s birthday party last episode. Those perfectly established her creds. There is no sense that she was just thrown in their midst in this episode for plot convenience.

CeNedra

Omg omg its here!!! THANK YOU DOMI 😘😘

Dave Ford

"was I right?" Yup - Angel had a happy.

palisade

Hey Domi,    You mentioned early in the reaction how surprised you were that Joyce grounding her wasn't more of a big deal.  One thing that I've found is important to understand but most people just never think about is that each season covers more or less a year's worth of time usually focused around the school year so if you assume at least 9-10 months that's at least 36 weeks, probably more. When you factor in the two part episodes and other episodes that we know took place close to each other in time then that that means that other episodes take place as much as a few weeks to a month or more apart. With nothing really connecting episodes 12 and 13 I presume this was one of those times.

Scott Kenney

So, when will we meet the big-bad?

aeronitz

That scene at the end with Giles and Buffy in the car is one of the most sincere scenes ever. That and the end of Lie to Me may be my two favorite Giles and Buffy moments.

Tim Pierce

Something that people always misunderstand, Angel did not achieve true happiness because of the sex. I'm sure it helped, but think about it. He didn't lose his soul DURING sex. It happened after.

CeNedra

Be careful, don't hurt yourself 😱 falling off a chair.. me 🙄😂 loved the reaction 😘

Anitusar

Well, for this episode it is ok to fall of a chair. This is it for me where Buffy went from good to iconic. Making Angel joining Dru and Spike and doing everything to hurt Buffy was just mind blowing. So, did we finally find big bad? Who knows, but she/he/it has only 7(8) episodes left to appear to be eligible for season 2. Time to put your chips down :)

R J Walker (FumblesMcStupid)

Oh, this episode hurts. When Angel speaks to Buffy the next morning :((( When Giles says 'she said get out', those last two scenes, 'let it burn'. :((((( I think you make a good point that Angel is not himself now and Buffy knows the things he's saying aren't coming from the Angel who loved her, but Jenny is Jenny so Giles must feel so bad right now :(( One thing I had pointed out to me was how important it is that Giles says 'support and RESPECT', the last thing a 17 year old who just had sex would think she deserved. One of my favourite speeches in all of Buffy! Willow falling for Oz after he turns her down (AH's face is amazing in that shot), Xander has a plan that actually works :D I guess he needed Cordy because he thought they might actually have to make out to make it look real and he didn't want to do that to Willow. And, tbh, Cordy looks more like a girl who might sneak on to a military base for a quicky ;) Spike, Dru and Angelus, yay \o/ Great reaction - hope your stitches are OK!

palisade

 Great reaction Domi,    You have seen Angelus in action before but imagine how shocking it would have been when it was first broadcast. Domi, you already know Willow survives but you were begging Xander to save her when Angelus had her by the throat. This show does tense action/drama scenes so well so well.    The residents of Sunnydale seem to have a predisposition to ignore/rationalize supernatural events unless they have absolutly no choice.  It is never clearly explained in the series but there are several possible reasons for this "Sunnydale Syndrome" the most obvious of which being a side effect of the dark energies that seep from the Hellmouth.    I'm always entertained by your theories about future events. Whether you are correct or not they are always well thought out and interesting.

Steve Quast

Thanks for posting this. The overall story told in "Surprise" and "Innocence" is great, but this episode is the punchline. I often say that Buffy really begins in "School Hard" with the introduction of Spike and Dru, because that's when it really began for me. But in a sense, it also begins anew in "Innocence" because at this point you really begin to see what the show can do, and it's quite a game changer. The character moments in this episode are real and harsh, but precious just the same. And while we miss Angel, let's face it, Angelus is a lot of fun and he makes for quite a villain. Kudos to David Boreanez for playing the quiet, introverted, socially awkward Angel so well, and then being able to turn on a dime to play someone as outwardly vicious as Angelus. And the interactions between Angelus, Spike, and Dru are dynamic, to say the least. I remember back when this two-parter was first aired there were commercials saying that someone Buffy trusts would end up betraying her. In "Surprise," we were made to believe that that person would be Jenny, but then "Innocence" reveals that the one who betrays everyone is Angel. Not that it was his fault, but still, his reversion to Angelus changes him from a harmless puppy to public enemy number one. And yeah, the trust between Giles and Jenny has been harshly severed. I can see both sides. On the one hand, Jenny was just doing what her family told her to do. With what limited knowledge she had, she probably thought she was doing the right thing. On the other hand, it's easy to see how both Buffy and Giles feel betrayed. Especially Buffy, since she's in a vulnerable state right now and it's hard to take a step back and try to take in the big picture when emotions are running high.

Steve Quast

Also forgot to mention shit hitting the fan with Willow, Xander, and Cordelia. While I definitely feel Willow's pain, At least we see Oz beginning to step up. His scene with Willow this episode was very endearing.

Steve Quast

Oh, and careful! Don't fall out of your chair again lol. I don't want anything to happen to your stitches.

Lunarwind

Your faces during Angel meets Spike and Dru scene was so worth the wait! And the Willow finds out scene. So many faces. Think everyone has been waiting for your reaction of this episode since day one, and you delivered :) Also, one of my favourite factiods from Buffy; Joss Whedon a sound editor did the heavy breathing in the sex scene.

zerofk

There is so much sadness in Buffy's last line of the episode, "I'll just let it burn." Big Bad prediction number 351: Angel. Let's see how long this one lasts...

Kirsten (Heavenli24)

Yes! This reaction is up! I had to wait a few hours before watching as I was doing family stuff earlier, but I managed to fit it in before going to bed. I still remember the day I watched this episode for the first time on TV (summer of 1999) - I was convinced that it would be like all the other shows airing at the time, where the story would be resolved by the end of the episode, so I was fully expecting that Angel’s soul would be restored by the closing credits… but then it wasn’t, and that was the moment I realised there was something different, something special, about this show. As others have said, Innocence is where Buffy goes from being a good show to an iconic show… and I cannot wait to see your reactions to the rest of the season. It’s weird because when I first watched Season 2, as a 16-year-old hardcore Bangel shipper, I wasn’t a fan of Angelus, because all I wanted was for the souled Angel I loved to come back… but rewatching it again now, as a 30-something in 2020, and looking at the season more from a storytelling POV, I’ve realised how awesome a character Angelus is and how great it is to have him on the screen.

UTU49

I love this episode. I don't think I will EVER get tired of watching reactions to Surprise and Innocence. When I'm 85-years-old, I will still be trying to get more reactors to watch Buffy.

palisade

Hey Domi,    I'm not sure how far ahead on Buffy you are now but there is an excellent graphic novel that takes place between episodes 17 and 18.  Of course you can read it anytime after 17 but that's when it has the most impact because the events of 17 directly effect it.  It's called "Ring of Fire" and you can download it here if you have the time (you busy, busy girl):  https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1XOqfRewuybro5SZqv1WIICxVD3PoX99Y

litafanforlife

So glad you posted this today. I always enjoy your reactions. Angel going bad was in relation to his curse. If he had a moment of pure happiness he'd lose his soul. A lot of people tend to think it's because of sex that he loses his soul, but it really is about perfect happiness. If it was just about sex, that scene would have been different. The episode was heartbreaking but in that same vein, really great too. It hurt to see the scenes between Buffy/Angelus, but those scenes did a good job at showing us for sure that that was not Angel. Angel really does love her and I'm glad that Giles told Buffy that when they had their talk in the car. I'm happy that Giles was not a jerk to Buffy when they were talking. I love that he told her he would support and respect her. As someone who is a Buffy/Angel fan for life, even I have an appreciation for Angelus lol. Always hoping for normal Angel again back again, but in the meantime Angelus is a great villain.

Ron Fehr

You gotta admit Angel being bad makes for some interesting possibilities for future episodes. Hope nothing serious happened when you tumbled.

Antonio

Great reaction Domi, glad you didn't injure yourself further, although I can't confirm whether there will be more moments lying in wait that will make you jump off your chair! :o) Also, a quick shoutout to the army dude who proved to be so forthcoming in this episode. Can only assume that he was so on board with Xandelia that he also turned a blind eye to them carrying out a rocket launcher. Hey, maybe he even helped them load it into Oz's van!

Bri

Argh! I've watched this show upwards of 30 times and I'm still noticing new nuances So excited for watching the rest of the season with you, Domi!

UTU49

I totally forgot to share one of my favorite observations about this episode. The biggest revelation in this episode is that Xander is the treasurer of the "We Hate Cordelia" Club.

Effie

The cruel things Angelus said to Buffy....it's not what Angel felt deep down because he reached true happiness as you realised later...however I do think that is what the demon is thinking because a demon cannot love. I don't see Angel's situation as a split personality in the way a human would experience it because I do not think Angelus (the demon) is a part of Angel (the soul). I see them as two different spirits residing in one body. The reason why is gets complicated for Angel is because he shares the body and therefore the demon spirit, even while suppressed, that still lives in him and the memory of Angelus' crimes haunt him so he feels the demon is a part of him which it is not....as we see here the soul is gone completely from the body. If they were one in the same Angelus would have been partly burned by the Judge which he was not.

SK Elkins

I love this episode, but I have to say that it plays very, very differently when you know that there's a sequel show called "Angel" than it did back when it first aired. On some level, I'm a bit sad to see the degree of surety in the minds of current day reactors to the idea that of *course* good Angel is gonna come back eventually! At the time, I don't remember anyone feeling absolutely positive that he would, especially given the extent to which the first half sets this two-parter up as Angel's death episode. It was a topic of fierce debate in my household, IIRC.