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Buffy 5x07 (Extended) - Fool For Love (Patreon)

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2022-03-14 17:00:06
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2024-07-12 15:10:25
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I believe this means I'll be falling into a Spuffy spiral shortly. I have no regrets........ Yet.

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Buffy 5x07 - Domi Is Unable To Resist The Spuffy Appeal (AKA Fool For Love) .mp4

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Todd Bolton

The reason Buffy was able to get stabbed is because she’s human. She isn’t invulnerable (she isn’t the Mayor). Spike shows her how all she has to do is let her guard down for a second – or even desire it *for a second* – and she can lose. If that weren’t possible, that a basic everyday vampire could possibly kill her, then all her fights would actually be a bore to watch. Glad you ship Spuffy. I can’t wait to watch you see how that plays out.

Land Howard Johnston

So, we're finally here! Other than possibly Becoming Part 2, Fool for Love is one of my favorite all time episodes of Buffy. I've seen it dozens of times over the years. Everything about it is utter perfection from the first scene to the last. The editing and story in the middle is incredible. And in a single episode, it completely reshapes our understanding of Spike and Buffy going all the way back to School Hard and deeply informs our understanding of the rest of the show as well. You could write an entire thesis just on this one episode. I wanted to shout out just what an amazing job Sarah Michelle Gellar does in this episode too. She really does such an amazing job with the full range of reactions from scared at the beginning, to annoyed when she has to order him wings, to repulsed by Spike after hearing about killing the Chinese slayer & again when he tries to kiss her and finally devastated when she finds out there's something wrong with her mom. But I wanted to specifically mention Buffy's utter look of confusion and bewilderment after Spike asks if there's anything he can do. And then as Spike *comforts* Buffy by patting her back. SMG conveyed so much emotion in those few seconds just with her facial expressions. Didn't even need any dialog. Just incredible. Also, a lot of reactors miss this on the first watch, but as the camera pans out, right before the ending credits, you can see Buffy and Spike breathing in sync with each other on the porch! The Spuffy ship is by far the most popular still to this day because JM and SMG have absolutely unbelievable chemistry together and their characters have such a deeply developed story that seems so insane when you go back and rewatch from School Hard. It will be very interesting to see where they go from here.

Martin Waits

Easy top 5 episode. It's the one I've rewatched the most.

Richard Ashton

In the UK, in the 19th century, railways were not built using spikes. Those were mainly limited to North America.

Maria

I've been waiting for this reaction! Foor for Love is easily in my top 5 episodes. Everything about it is so good. Spike was already very popular before this episode aired, but his popularity definitely skyrocketed after this episode, and no wonder why! Also, it's easy to see why Spuffy is the most popular ship in the fandom. James and Sarah's chemistry is just beyond amazing, and their story is just way too intriguing.

Ailish

Honestly that last flashback with Dru is so funny to me. Spike teams up with Buffy once, for like 5 minutes, and then Dru breaks up with him for emotional infidelity 😭 Glad we finally got to see what a Chaos Demon looks like lmao

Khanach

Oooh, just what I was waiting for: One.Good.Day :D

Ron Fehr

Remember the Spike and Dru break-up scene? The guy Dru was with is in reference to what Spike said in season three's Lover's Walk. "She left me for a chaos demon". "They're all slime'n'antlers".

Dave Ford

You might want to watch the next Angel episode before going immediately onto the next Buffy ep.

Ron Fehr

The train sequence, where Spike killed his second Slayer was not film on a real train of course. It was a set that was rocked back and forth from offstage. Also lights flashing on and off to simulate the train moving. One other thing. Now you know how he got his iconic leather jacket.

Ron Fehr

Definitely. That's probably her plan anyway.

Bud Haven

This is my favorite episode of the entire series. There are other episodes that are "better", but this is my favorite. The final scene where they are sitting together like two old warriors. Spike in reality and Buffy just for a Slayer. Those two sitting on the porch could be the main image for the entire show. Spike, when he was talking to Buffy about how Slayers die, mentioned three ways. First, Slayers are in deep if they don't have a weapon. The first Slayer dropped her stake and dropped her life. Second is pure RNG. Keep fighting long enough, eventually something is going to get you. Third was the darkest. Eventually Slayers get to the point where they've had enough. When Buffy says, "Say it's true. Say I do want to." I don't think she was talking about making out with vampires. I think it was about that third way. Spike would never be the vampire that takes her out. But Spike was trying to get a physical relationship going, and that is how he took her rejection. I've parsed out why I thought Buffy was responding to Spike's statements about Slayers and not him trying to hit on her. Spike says that inevitably her death wish will come to the fore. S-"The second that happens, I'll slip in, have myself a real good day." Later, after his awkward attempt to hit on her he says "Come on. I can feel it Slayer. You know you want to dance." Spike is saying he can feel her desire for him. But then Buffy says "Say it's true." That she has desire for him? Or is she saying she has a desire for the dance. A death wish. "Say I do want to." But Spike also said it's her family and friends who tie her here. Keeping it at bay. So is it in her, kept at bay by her family and friends? Would it come out without them? We already know the answer to this, it's yes. In The Wish we see Buffy without her support system and she has death-wishyness all over her. B-"The world is what it is. We fight, we die. Wishing doesn't change that." And she turns down help to fight the Master. B-"There's only one thing I'm good at." G-"At least let's muster some force." B-"I don't play well with others." And eventually he kills her. So I think it is there, and Buffy is telling Spike he would never be the vamp who takes her down.

Ron Fehr

So now you're a Spuffy shipper. You better not use that word if you ever talk with Alley. She insists that it's Bike, not Spuffy.

Raven Dark

Haha, Domi, I'm in the middle of watching, and you totally could have called this episode, Domi being Domi for 40 minutes straight."

Marty Beck

This is literally #2 favorite episode in the entire series. And that last scene was amazing. SMG and James are both incredible but together they are untouchable. This was such a fun reaction.

Paul Thomas-Humphreys

Great episode. And I hate the whole Spuffy thing. Just the idea makes me want to throw up.

m.,

Ah yes. The episode that launched a million shippers.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Notice how Spike and Angel basically switched places after being turned lol Spike, a member of the "frilly cuffs and collars crowd" becomes a drunken scrappy brawler the way Liam used to be while Angelus becomes this more dapper, sophisticated vampire who performs his killing with finesse and sees them as a form of artwork.

zerofk

Contrary to many other commenters this is nowhere near my favourite episodes. It's good, I like it, but there are many others that I just like better. Yay for Dawn helping cover up Buffy's injury. Siblings gotta stick together against the parents. Also yay for the flashbacks. Some of my favourite flashbacks of the show I think - at least both the slayer fights are simply amazing. Drusilla's turning of William is also great (except I could do without the ridiculous "ow ow ow!").

That’s Not Acting

And the delusion begins….. 😒… I had so much hope coming into this part of the season. There was objectively zero sexual energy coming from Buffy during this episode. She was not only completely surprised and taken aback back spikes attempt at a kiss but she was obviously physically disgusted at the idea. There is no logical argument to me made for the contrary. Yes, the spuffy ship is defiantly popular. Just like the idea that the relationship between Christian Grey and Anna what’s-her-face is so romantic and that it’s so romantic how Edward would sneak into Bella’s room and watch her sleep or how he followed her that night into the city…or how romantic it is that he literally broke her truck so she couldn’t go see Jacob. In this vein it is super romantic how spike was hanging out outside Buffy’s house at night for hours just listening and watching…or how he is 100% attracted to her because he is incapable of distinguishing between violence and affection (remember:”if I want drew back I just have to be the man I was. I’m gonna find her, wherever she is, tie her up, torture her, until she likes me again.”) It just boggles my mind. Also, I don’t know if anyone else mentioned it but there wasn’t anything wrong with Buffy really. She was weak because she got stabbed. That’s really all. And then this episode was her exploration of why.

x_Rhi_x

LOVE this episode, top 3 for me. Welcome to the spuffy ship! Oh and buffy wasn't necessarily weak that day, though as you said she mightve been from the emotional turmoil in her life..but as spike says its just luck. That vamp had a "real good day." Like the Chinese slayer, who nearly staked spike but the window blew in and distracted her...the afro vamp got lucky and managed to twist buffys arm to stab herself

x_Rhi_x

Oh also...did you notice, spike got his eyebrow scar from the Chinese slayer, and his coat from the NY slayer 😊 momentos lol

Dan

Though the guy who said that could previously have spent time in America, perhaps even something related to railroads.

Dan

Although it seems incongruous/funny when you first see it, I think Spike's pre-vamp personality (and poetry) really makes sense of his passion-oriented personality and the way he talks about love (eg in 3x08).

Ron Fehr

Part of the reason for the eyebrow scar was that James Marsters actually had one when he first played Spike. It was neat how they integrated the scar into the story.

Ron Fehr

It seems, at least on camera, that it's always males siring females or vice versa.

Whisper_dvm

There’s a huge difference between liking Spuffy and Twilight/50 Shades and it’s about the power balance. Buffy and Spike are equals or the balance of power favors Buffy unlike those other stories. I won’t get more into it to avoid spoilers though.

Loves Bitca

Yeah, James Marsters scar on his eyebrow is actually from a cut from a bottle during a mugging.

Leijette Riopel

This is arguably my favorite episode in the entire run of the series, which is nuts because I was such an Angel fan when the show was actually airing, but the scene where Buffy turns his story back on him and says “you’re beneath me” makes my heart absolutely break for Spike and I could (almost) never not love him after that.

Leijette Riopel

Yes! I have always loved that contrast between the way they each changed. I also love that it can be argued that they both became much better, cooler versions of themselves when they became vampires.

Ron Fehr

I like how Spike's intentions turn around when he sees that Buffy is suffering. And how he tries to console her by patting her back. And how she lets him.

CeNedra

Not just me then 🤣🤣

CeNedra

Even the fans that don't like Bike or Spike like this episode 🤣 as in me 😊

Ron Fehr

I like how Domi was conflicted about cheering for Spike against the other two Slayers.

Flora Smith

You could also EASILY throw Bangel into the 50 Shades/Twilight toxic popular ship comparison mix tbf 🤣

Ron Fehr

I'm guessing that Spike thought about Buffy, even though he never mentioned her name. And Dru, strange as she is, must have been able to read his thoughts. Remember this is just my guess.

That’s Not Acting

@Flora … only if you included the soulless Angel character and I’ve never heard a single person ship Buffy and soulless Angel. @Whisper … Power dynamic? Uh huh 😭. We’ll see how that holds up when spoilers are no longer a problem.

Flora Smith

No, I was only referencing souled Angel and Buffy in that remark. Stalking, underage girl, lopsided power dynamic etc

Jordan Haddow

As Domi keeps pointing out, the bite is portrayed as being quite intimate and even sexual. So, it doesn't surprise me the network wouldn't go for it. I'm trying to think of a same gendered on camera bite, and all I can think of is the Pilot. During the Harvest, the first bite was the bouncer, so that was guy on guy bite action. Other than that, I can't really think of another one so far in the show.

Jordan Haddow

@Flora Angel's relationship with Buffy comes across that badly because as the show goes on, David ages so much they can't play him off as a teen. In the Pilot, he looked way different than he did towards season 2 of angel. In the Pilot, it could have been, and I think they intended him to be, playing a vampire that was turned in his late teens. By the time he got his own show, they established him as being 26 when he died, but that's because it simply couldn't be played off as younger by that point. Also, I know the stalking thing comes up a lot. They did build in a backstory to that though. In the season 2 finale they showed that the powers that be guided him to watch over Buffy. It wasn't so much to protect her, but for her to be an example to him and to draw him into life again battling for the side of good. Whisperer literally gave him the job of following her around. Of course, yes, I know it was season 2. I think initially Joss never intended a love interest between the two of them, but the network wanted it. He always hated the love interests between vampires and Buffy. I think that's why he gave Spikes character such a spineless backstory, just to get back at the character for being so popular.

Jordan Haddow

@Brandon. I think you're wrong. I think Buffy has an attraction to Spike. Yes, he's a soulless vampire and so can't truly understand love. He also equates violence to intimacy. Part of that is shown here in his backstory. The first bit of love he ever received from a woman was a bite on his neck and his blood being drained. He started out wimpily whining about it, but he then started enjoying it. Still, Buffy, I'm quite certain is attracted to him. Now, having said that, I don't think for a second that she would admit that, even to herself, consciously. There are 3 reasons why. One is his strength. She's stronger than the show usually displays her to be. She has always been stronger than Angel, Spike, and Riley. Riley though is almost pathetically weak compared to her. Let's face it, I don't think being extraordinarily stronger than a significant other is in any way a block to a relationship. Still, I think there comes a certain level of comfortability being around someone you can't just break with a single wrong move. With Riley, and lets face it, any human guy, Buffy has to always be consciously be keeping her strength in check to keep him safe. I can just see it being a thing. When she was with Angel, she really enjoyed being able to spar with him, and here, even though Spike couldn't hit with intention back at her, she could hit him an not worry. Being a slayer, she's a very physical being, and I think that actually goes a lot further for her than she's willing to admit, especially while she's dating Riley. Further than that, is the fact that, when you really study Buffy, the slayer, you find that she's no longer really human. The slayer part of her has such an impact on her, that it alters her. Even before Dracula pointed it out in 5x01, I was seeing that in her, the darkness. She's a hunter, a killer. She tempers it by adhering to a strict set of rules to keep her. from being a mindless or immoral killer, but at the fundamental level, she is one. It's literally her mission in life. Faith really exposed that in season 3 too. She isn't a vampire, but in a way, she's closer to them than she is humans. So much of her life is spent in their world, in the dark, the cemeteries. Going back to say, her season 3 boyfriend for a couple episodes. How would he have dealt with it when he found out about Buffy? When she stopped hiding her true nature? Lastly, is more along the real line of why specifically she may have an attraction to Spike. It was exposed most noticeably when Faith slept with Riley. Buffy got very angry at Riley. Later in Superstar, Jonathon pointed out it was because she blamed him for not knowing it wasn't her in her body. She decided this wasn't fair to him (which it really wasn't), but it exposed a real inner belief that Buffy has. One of her least used and most poorly trained slayer abilities is her slayer sense. Still, it is integral to her. She can sense beyond what normal humans can. In light of this, she believes that those closest to her, those she loves, should be able to sense things in her. Have a connection beyond words and actions. As she complained to Giles, be able to look into her eyes and know. Riley has come up short in this avenue pretty much always. In real life, this is a really terrible way to think too. This being a how where witches, vampires, and demons exist though, it is something she believes deep down. Angel was able to fulfill her belief for the most part. How many times did her just know what she was thinking or planning without her saying anything. He knew right off that she was trying to read his mind. She rarely had to spell out a plan to him. So, with respects to Spike, he has done this many times as well. He's looked into Buffy's soul and seen things nobody has seen, even when she was trying to hide them. When Angel and her were deluding themselves that they were friends, Spike saw through it and called them out. When Buffy was hurt by Parker, Spike saw through her and was able to guess all the gory details to use against her in a fight. Those are just the biggest examples. Even in this episode, he could see that it wasn't just some minor pain she was feeling. He could see just how hurt she was. Let's face it. Spike fulfills that inner desire Buffy has. Now, again. This is a part of Buffy's character I don't think she would even admit to and I don't think the attraction is enough for her to forget he has no soul, is a vampire, and generally enjoys being a villain. I'm just saying, saying she doesn't have some form of attraction to him is simply not really that true.

That’s Not Acting

@Flora see Jordan’s response. And yes, he was conceptualized younger than he turned out. The only thing about what Jordan said there is that when the show began — two things — they hadn’t yet decided on him being a vampire (They played with the idea of him being an actual Angel) and two, I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure he was set up as the love interest from the beginning. The joss hate I think he’s thinking of there is his hatred of any soulless vampire having any kind of redeeming quality. This leads directly into my thoughts on how the character of spike completely broke the lore of the Buffyverse from season 5 onward. A sacrifices the studio made in favor of overwhelming fan service. @jordan: I would love for you to give me one moment to support the idea that she is attracted to him. Yo said you are “quite certain” of it. I’m 100% ready to be proven wrong here so if you could point to on time stamp that I could look to when there was a firm indication, a look, a tucking of her hair behind her ear, suddenly downcast eyes, anything that would suggest that she is feeling anything for him besides disdain. Because I can point to multiple time stamps when the contempt is blatant and obvious on her face.

Claire Eyles

Not a Spuffy shipper myself (not a Bangel shipper either), but I get why the pairing is popular. Spike and Buffy as a ship is 'romantic'. I'm not talking 'dulcet choir of pretty little birdies' romantic, I'm talking about the romanticist notions of 'romantic', a 'gothic romance'. Whether we want to admit or not the romanticist ideas about love and relationships still remain incredibly popular. Look at the so called 'romantic' ballets that are still performed and loved by audiences today, like Giselle or La Sylphide, they're all death and obsession and intensity of emotion. People might obviously recognise that that sort of romance isn't healthy, but it doesn't mean they're not drawn to it in theory or from a fictional stand point. Spike is a romantic character, he pretty much follows the archetype of the romanticists of the 19th century (poet, obsessive in love, mixes up death, love and violence, etc), whether we agree with it or not a lot of people respond to that sort of a character.

Stargazer1682

The parallels, intentional and unintentional, between the two are interesting; right down to how "Liam" is the Irish version of the name "William".