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Buffy 6x09 (Extended) - Smashed (Patreon)

Published:
2023-04-14 18:17:04
Edited:
2024-07-16 23:05:54
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2026-06
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so there was smashing and there was amy?! DAAAAMN Y'ALL THIS SHOW IS INSANE!!!

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Richard Ashton

Willow's pronunciation of Italian is atrocious.

Richard Ashton

Just in case anyone wants to know... Willow's spells are "Rivlil!" then "Cio che fu non e piu. Cio che fu fatto, disfa. Passato e il pericolo, finita e la prova. Metti le cose a posto," which is Italian for "Reveal!" and "What was is no longer. What was done, undo. The danger passed, the trial no more, set it right."

Steve Quinn

Domi, just let me disagree with you about Spike's motivations for not showing pain when he hit Buffy. I love the way you feel he did this because of his feelings for Buffy, but I really don't think so. When he had no chip related pain, I believe he immediately thought that the chip had stopped working and he could go out and kill again. If Buffy had realised this, she maybe would have staked him at once, so he pretended (his evil smile makes this clear). The very next scene of his is him about to painfully kill an innocent girl. However much he loves the Slayer, remember, he is still a monster.

Khanach

Oh, I'm watching the freeze ray out of this reaction!

Kate

I don't think it's too hard to see why Spike would behave how he does in this episode when you look at the whiplash in the difference in how Buffy treats him from 6x03 till now. But backtracking a bit, Buffy's response to conflict with him is to punch him. Most of the time. She's been doing it by her own admission, for fun, for a couple years now--he's been her literal punching bag. At the top of this episode, he tries to be vulnerable, talk to her, and state he can change, but at the moment he realizes that he can hurt her physically, she's told him he's not a man, but an evil, disgusting thing. After sharing her vulnerability for the first chunk of the season, having her confide in him over the others, sharing two intimate moments, to be then met with that response. And because he's Spike and lashes out, he gives up and decides if thats how she sees me, fine. I'll go be that.

Girl4Music

Willow’s arc this season is one of self-awareness and she’s been a character throughout the show with a severe lack of it and it’s mostly because she’s somebody who perceives of herself as unworthy or undervalued and she’s trying to overcompensate for these insecurities and anxieties of which don’t actually exist. In other words. She’s corrupting and sabotaging herself. She’s being forced to look in the mirror and instead of turn away from what she sees, has to sit there and meet her reflection head on even if she desperately doesn’t want to. In turn - those who identify with her do too.

Girl4Music

Not that I’m condoning Spike’s behaviour towards Buffy in this episode. I’m definitely not. What he is doing and saying to her is abuse. But I can see it from his perspective also. Buffy one moment is calling him an evil disgusting thing, and then the next she asks for his help and trusts him to protect her family. Spike’s receiving mixed signals from Buffy all the time that he doesn’t know which way to go with her, how to behave towards her. He doesn’t know whether to be supportive and constructive or abusive and destructive. Being a soulless vampire and all - he can’t truly differentiate between what’s right and what’s wrong. However, his actions and choices are entirely his responsibility and he shouldn’t be absolved from punishment just because of it. He should take accountability for the relationship between them just as much as she should. Of course - then there’s Buffy - who doesn’t even know what kind of relationship they have other than the one they’re supposed to have. That is most natural to have. And in that sense, the abuse between them in this episode is actually entirely appropriate. The sex - not so much. But it has to be acknowledged that Buffy initiated it. She’s the one that chose to kiss him, unzip his fly and go to town. Her feelings for him are so confused.

Girl4Music

🎶I'm getting caught in the corners Of her vermilion borders She's moving backwards and forwards And she's ugly when she's insecure🎶 Always pay attention to the music in a scene. It will give you context to how the narrative is treating the events happening and how you’re supposed to be perceiving them. Willow and Amy is a destructive relationship just like Buffy and Spike are. The only pairing relationship for this episode that isn’t destructive is Tara and Dawn. That’s intentional. It’s showcasing even more how destructive the other two relationships are because of their absence. It’s not Tara that should be there for Dawn. It’s not her responsibility to be. But she is because Buffy and Willow aren’t. Pay attention to how all the relationships work together to tell the story. Including the music that plays as you watch the scenes. Everything is intentional.

Ron Fehr

I'm having to work, so I don't have time to watch your reaction now. The good news is that I have something to look forward to later.

Ariel17

Not sure if you’re confusing the timing here but Amy turned herself into a rat in season 3, not season 1. She was introduced early in season 1, yes, but she and Willow did have a few scenes of established friendship through their practice of witchcraft.

rattusprat

Just a friendly reminder that at the start of 2x16 (Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered) Amy used magic to hand up fake homework. I think you might be expecting a bit much from Amy for her to have an awareness of what is right and wrong regarding the use of magic. And Spike went to see Warren, and was able to find him because The Trio are set up in Warren's mum's basement (there was a throw away line in 6x04). That's the same house where Spike saw Warren in Season 5 to commission the Buffybot.

rattusprat

No one has said this yet - CONGRATULATIONS DOMI !!! You got a prediction right!!! This is meant in the best of spirits. We love your predictions, whether they are (very very occasionally) right, or extremely wrong.

Leijette Riopel

This is correct. If Buffy had realized in that moment that Spike’s chip wasn’t working, she would have tried to stake him immediately. He knows she has thought about it because Dawn told him so back in season 5 - she said Buffy was worried about what she would do if Spike’s chip ever stopped working. He was faking the pain so he had time to figure out if he was fully back to himself and could resume his killing ways. Spike is a great character, a fan favorite for sure, but he doesn’t have a soul. He’s not good. Sometimes it is in his best interest to do good things, and he is more perceptive and empathetic than most other vampires, but his instincts are oriented as they have always been - toward taking whatever he wants and not considering the consequences. Right now what he wants is Buffy, her attention, her focus, and he doesn’t much distinguish between verbally sparring with her, physically fighting her, or having sex with her - he gets what he wants, regardless. We can tell he doesn’t really care about protecting her feelings because once he’s sure she’s the only one he can hurt, he is gleeful to tell her so, to hurt her by introducing the idea that she is less than fully human since she came back.

Michael

It always bothers me when Hollywood writers try to write geek culture, a loose Boba Fett On a stand without his gun is worthless, and there is no way Andrew could have seen every episode of Doctor Who because over 100 episodes are lost because the BBC used to wipe the tapes and recorded over them, so unless Andrew somehow went back in time

Ron Fehr

The way I see it, when Spike was attacking that girl after faking a 'chip' headache, he was having to talk himself into being the monster that he once was. He didn't just bite her right away. When she said that she was sure he wasn't evil, he had to openly deny that, and it just seemed like he had to convince himself to bite her.

Ron Fehr

When Willow pulled out her laptop to check on news of the robbery, you had a grin on your face. When she started using magic to find the police report, your grin went away just like that. It's things like this that makes your reactions enjoyable, at least for me.

Dee Aitch

Also a freeze ray would kill a man instantly because it would literally break down the cellular walls.

Dee Aitch

There is an "original ending" of this very episode up on YouTubes now. Even more spicy than what we got.

Vicky N

The scene at the beginning is there to remind you how and on who the chip works. So when Spike attacks a human with bad intentions, a bad guy, the chip hurt him. They even make a point in clarifying the concept by stating out loud for you.

Vicky N

If Spike was being a “jerk” towards Buffy it was only in reaction to how Buffy was treating him. Calling him an evil disgusting thing after confiding in him and only him after she was brought back and kissing him.

zerofk

Anya: 'Diamonds are exellent for cursing.' Domi: 'Oh no, what are proposals then?' rofl While it's fun to see Amy again, I'm not sure she's a good influence on Willow...

Girl4Music

Because he doesn’t just believe that he is evil. He also believes that he has to be evil. It’s performative. Or it has become performative.

Girl4Music

I loved that. I was waiting for the smile-to-frown moment and I got it! 😁

Girl4Music

The Dailies ❤️ I love the dailies for the next episode.

Ron Fehr

Definitely not a good influence.

Ron Fehr

I don't know if I ever got the feeling that Willow was replacing Tara in the romantic sense. I think that it was like she said, "having another magically-inclined friend around". And I think that Amy was just open about people's sexual preferences. Although it's confusing to me how she didn't recognize that Larry was gay.

Ray D

Maybe I’m wrong but I didn’t interpret Spike faking the headache as him “protecting Buffy” by doing it. I took it as, he didn’t want to tip his hand yet until he understood what had happened to his chip.

JenM

I’m pretty sure your interpretation is correct. In fact the first thing he does when he thinks it’s not working at all is tries to kill someone. He wants to immediately go back to his old ways. I’m a big Spike fan, but under no illusions he’s a good guy just because he cares about Buffy and Dawn, and shows a little hesitation before attacking the woman in the alley. After all, the chip does activate because he was going to kill her. He might be morally grayer than all the other vampires without souls in the Buffyverse, but he’s still the villain.

Claire Eyles

In the DVD commentary the guy who wrote this episode talks about how proud he was that he wrote such an awesome sounding spell in a different language, and then he heard the pronunciation and was like, "Oh no, what have I done?"

That’s Not Acting

I see this kind of take about Spike all the time and it really blows my mind, lol. He is a vampire. Period. He changed in how he dealt with Buffy because he can hurt Buffy. In other words, the power dynamic has changed. He's no longer muzzled. I always watch that scene with watery eyes. Buffy is hurting so much in that scene (depression, shame, feeling isolated, and now even more broken thanks to Spike). It breaks my heart. Also, this is the episode I remember as the one when Spike shifts his impersonation of an abusive-narcissist into high gear.

Troika S

Mm, Spike's literally always been a manipulative abuser, that's been consistent since basically his introduction. He has layers to him so he doesn't just come off as a one-dimensional demonized caricature, which is often how abusers are portrayed in media to make them unambiguous, but even so it's always been there. His toxic relationship with Dru, his abusive treatment of Harmony who he basically just treated like a disposable sex doll, his literal "no means yes" stalking of Buffy. Spike's funny and fun and has depth to him, and James has a wonderful innate charisma which makes him easy to watch and empathize with, but the character is practically made entirely out of red flags. Buffy and Spike's relationship, if you want to call it that, was never going to be healthy. Their first kiss literally initiates in Once More With Feeling with Buffy singing that she knows there's nothing real there, she's just using him out of a desperate need to feel something through her depression and he's taking advantage of it. Their sex scene isn't romantic because what they have isn't romantic; the episode basically drops all metaphor and allegory with the initiating fight scene and shows you exactly what Buffy and Spike's relationship is- abusive, destructive and borne out of depression and despair.

madfem

👏👏

Janel Davis

This is my favorite description of (pre season 7) Spuffy.