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Buffy 6x17 (Extended) - Normal Again (Patreon)

Published:
2023-07-28 18:00:06
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2024-07-16 23:33:39
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i am once again feeling normal feelings about the show buffy the vampire slayer <3 super fun upbeat episode about a vengeance demon plotting her revenge against her (now) ex (ouch).... oh wait? i guess not...

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Hosman

My post from another reaction: Witch: While under the witch's spell... Buffy: You know there are some things about being a vampire slayer... Joyce: What? Sigh... Bad Eggs; At the food court...Joyce: Don't you ever think about anything besides boys? Buffy: Saving the world from vampires. Joyce: Oh no not this again, I thought the institution we sent you to helped you. Ugh. Killed By Death: At the hospital...Buffy: Vampires! I got to kill the vampires! Giles: Yes we will get those vampires later... It's best to play along. Joyce: Not this again, back to the institution for you Buffy. Becoming Part 2: Buffy kills a vampire in front of Joyce. Joyce: Buffy, what is going on? Buffy: I'm a vampire slayer. Joyce: Oh I forgot, I guess back to the institution for you!

Richard Ashton

I recall seeing something that (possibly Joss Whedon) thought it would make a really good mid-season break. When it comes to making the viewer suffer, he can be a right sod.

Girl4Music

Normal Again…. Arrrggghhh It’s uncomfortable to peruse my thoughts and feelings when watching this episode. It’s a mind-fuck. I know that’s the intention. But “it’s just a mental illness” is a trope that fucks me up beyond anything. “I live in my mind” You have to deconstruct what the term “I” even means before you tackle all the other implications. As someone that does not believe in identity, it fucks me up in all kinds of ways to think about this concept.

Henrik Holst

you forgot one actual real quote from Becoming Part2: Buffy: (throws off her mom's arms) I'm *not* crazy! What I need is for you to chill. I *have* to go!

Henrik Holst

When it comes to Spike:s response in this episode I think it mostly came out from him being hurt and just said things that he knew would hurt her back. That said, having lived with a SO that suffers from clinical depression I can say that there are some truth to the "You're addicted to the misery" in that when in that deep of a depression everything is interpreted in the worst possible way, so from the outside it can look like they are addicted to the misery (the truth is ofc that their mind simply cannot escape the misery).

Ron Fehr

Buffy's 'normal world' makes sense if you think about it. We've gotten to know her through almost six seasons, and we've accepted her as gifted with superhuman strength. But who in our world can dust so many vampires so easily? In this case, we choose a fantasy world instead of reality.

Bud Haven

For me the answer is they are both real. One dimension where buffy is the Slayer and one where she is an institutionalized schizophrenic. And the demon’s toxin lets Buffy slip through both dimensions. Willow confronted her vampire self in Doppelgängland. Two real Willows. So two real Buffys isn’t so inconceivable.

Leijette Riopel

What profoundly messed me up about this episode when it first aired was the moment in the hospital where the doctor casually refers to Buffy having had a stretch of lucidity during the previous summer….um, do you mean that time last summer when she was DEAD in the Sunnydale version of reality??? When she was in “heaven”?! He is implying that she was “normal again”, for a while, living the life of a girl without any super powers, two living parents who adore her, no epic mission or burden of destiny. It seems like the show is declaring that Buffy’s idea of heaven would just be living the life of an ordinary girl, and it makes the alternative reality seem distressingly plausible, considering Buffy’s character struggles with her Slayer identity throughout the show, particularly in the first couple seasons. It also made me reflect back on the opening scene in The Gift when she saves the guy in the alley and he says “But, you’re just a girl”, and she replies “That’s what I keep saying.” By the end of that episode, she sacrificed her life to save the world, and maybe what this episode is suggesting is that her reward for that sacrifice would be the life she could have had if she never became the Slayer. That idea upset me very much when I first saw this episode and considered what this explanation of the alternative reality might mean. The fact that Buffy ultimately chooses to stay in her Sunnydale reality, but they still end the episode showing her alternate self back in the hospital, completely catatonic, Joyce weeping on Buffy’s dad (if I recall correctly I think his name is Hank Summers, not that it matters….), It makes me so sad for the part of Buffy that still longs for an average, peaceful human life, but in this episode finally accepts that she won’t ever have it. But, it l feels strange to be sad for that other Buffy because if that version was real, she wouldn’t be the Buffy we have grown to love so much over the past 6 years of the show. I have a hard time revisiting this episode, and I kind of try to forget it exists most of the time, because I don’t know what is the right way to feel about it…. I have kind of landed on interpreting it as a choice that Buffy was offered to be one version or the other of herself, and I just need to respect her decision to stay in the reality I know and love, so I don’t need to think much more about the road not taken….

Ron Fehr

Interesting. Meaning in the other dimension, Joyce is still alive and happily married to Buffy's dad.

Michael Smith

I’ve always loved this episode because I feel like it was the way Buffy finally got to say goodbye to Joyce.

Brandon Thomas

Wow, never thought about it this way

Ron Fehr

About the last episode- I don't know how my youngest niece felt, but she went through something similar to Anya. She was luckier in her case though, in that the guy called off the wedding several months before the set date. I found out later, but the breakup occurred just before Christmas, although he spent the holiday with us.

Hosman

Thanks, one more for the list lol.

The Chosen One

On one end this is a great episode with a interesting idea. On the other... you just know it will not end with her being "normal".

Ron Fehr

I had always assumed that the girl had simply kissed Tara on the cheek, but when you rewatched that clip, I wasn't so sure. Either way, it looked harmless to me, and Willow overreacted. If it was on the lips, it was so quick that it couldn't have been a romantic kiss.

Thom Purdy

I take comfort in the fact that the last scene happens BEFORE Buffy takes the antidote.

Ron Fehr

In a way, Joyce's pep talk (if it can be called that) from the alternate world actually gave Buffy the strength to overcome her dilemma in the Sunnydale world. So even though it's not the Joyce we knew and loved, I personally cannot bring myself to hate her.

Ron Fehr

Not that anyone else cares, but whenever I see Buffy's dad, I think of the actor in his role as Almonso Wilder from the television series Little House on the Prairie.

Raven Dark

Domi: Okay, guys, let's do it. Let's see Anya kick some fucking ass. Cordy: And once again, in the being wrong event... This show never makes things easy, does it? I love this episode.

Raven Dark

The episode you were thinking of, after Passion, in which Buffy is in the hospital, is called Killed By Death. Now that I'm finished the reaction, I had to add a couple more thoughts. Whenever I watch episodes like this one, I always think of the movie and it blows my mind how far this story has come. from its much more campy, almost silly roots. There is so much depth and power in the writing and in the characters here that it's crazy even thinking of how the show itself started. We went from The Pack to this. It almost seems like a different show. The other thing that always hits really hard with this particular episode is how *our* Buffy feels almost evil. I mean I know she's not evil, but SMG's delivery of lines like, "You can't hide, Dawn," is utterly chilling, and we know they were playing with the concept of Buffy as the antagonist in those later scenes. She just plays the darker side of the role so well. It's just so well done. Watching her taking down and trapping her friends gives me shivers every time.

Khanach

Another one, that’s 5/6 for today. Can you get “overDomi-ed”? Let’s find out! :D When I first watched this, it blew my mind. An episode that threw in there a perfectly valid explanation for the entire show? I had never seen anything like it before. Anyway, fantastic episode, imho, and Sarah keeps knocking it out of the park in every episode this season (well, in every episode, period). I won’t speculate about what was real or not, people has been doing that for ages, and I think each has to come to their own conclusions, but it’s one of those episodes where you keep picking up little details on rewatches

Martin Waits

Easy top 30/40 episode for me. There's so much to love about it.