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In this episode, we go back to the seventeenth century to talk about Thomas Hobbes’ hugely influential political philosophy. Focusing mostly on De Cive, we dive into his hilariously bleak anthropology, his totalitarian absolutism, and his uncomfortable fit within the modern tradition of political liberalism. But things are a little more complicated than they first appear: maybe old Bishop Bramhall was right when he said that Hobbes’ ideas are ‘a rebel’s catechism’.

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References:

Thomas Hobbes, On the Citizen, ed. and trans. Richard Tuck and Michael Silverthorne (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2016).

Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan, ed. Edwin Curley (Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994).

Thomas Hobbes and Bishop Bramhall, Hobbes and Bramhall on Liberty and Necessity, ed. Vere Chappell (New York: Cambridge University Press, 1999).

Music: Vintage Memories by Schematist | schematist.bandcamp.com

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pelicans123

Hobbes didn't consider that humans are like lobsters

Rebar G Niemi

Interesting ep! I feel like I you would enjoy some secondary literature that would have maybe presented a different interpretation of hobbes and problematized some of the easier owns (tho funny). There is a large body of work that suggests hobbes state of nature is linguistic and nominative not political. He I believe admits there has been no pure state of nature in one work, instead it is more of a constant dilemma in recognition and communication. Subjection is subjection to common language before it is political. In this sense, we never leave the state of nature that is linguistic or normative undecidability and we must subject ourselves to some degree to have any chance of common recognition much less bond/trust. Control over definition is necessarily hierarchal/violent, almost in the derridean way. Anyway really fun to listen to and sent me back to some texts I hadn't thought about in a while.