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60 | Antifascism and Emancipatory Violence with Devin Zane Shaw (Patreon)

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In this episode we are joined by Devin Zane Shaw to talk about his book Philosophy of Antifascism: Punching Nazis and Fighting White Supremacy. We discuss the concept of the ‘three-way fight’, what Beauvoir’s analysis of the antinomies of action can teach us about emancipatory violence, and the necessity of community self-defense. Ambiguity may be an inescapable condition for those of us who truly care about freedom, but you just cannot have dinner with nazis, comrades.

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References:

Devin Zane Shaw, Philosophy of Antifascism: Punching Nazis and Fighting White Supremacy (New York: Roman & Littlefield, 2020)

Devin Zane Shaw, “Seven Theses on the Three-Way Fight”, at threewayfight: https://threewayfight.blogspot.com/2021/08/seven-theses-on-three-way-fight.html

Glen Coulthard, Red Skin, White Masks: Rejecting the Colonial Politics of Recognition (Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2014)

Stanislav Vysotsky, American Antifa: The Tactics, Culture, and Practice of Militant Antifascism (New York: Routledge, 2021)

Leanne Simpson, As We Have Always Done: Indigenous Freedom through Radical Resistance (Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2021)

Shane Burley, Why We Fight: Essays on Fascism, Resistance, and Surviving the Apocalypse (AK Press, 2021)

Music: Vintage Memories by Schematist | schematist.bandcamp.com

Comments

Paul Bowman

On Lilian's query about the usefulness of the liberal/militant antifascism dichotomy, I think I agree. Ironically the organisation I was a part of (AFA) first came up with this distinction in the 90s iirc, and I didn't disagree with it at the time. But I have since come to have more and more doubts about its usefulness. But for me this is one of the advantages of the three-way fight perspective in that it moves the focus away from ideological associations (liberal vs "radical") towards strategic content. I briefly outlined why I think that the "liberal" approach is better understood as a "two-way fight" perspective at the start of my January piece on the 3WF blog. And also that the Comintern's flip-flop from "Nachi Hitler, uns!" Third Period madness to the Dmitrov Line of the Popular Front, was also crippled by a two-way fight perspective. So given you can't really call the Comintern liberals, the 2-way vs 3-way distinction is more maybe more accurate and also gets over the kind of macho chest-beating that sometimes goes into certain sneering uses of "liberal antifascism". I'm not sure radical liberal approaches find a third way between the two though (a 2-and-a-half way fight?). Whatevs. http://threewayfight.blogspot.com/2023/01/on-fascism-and-three-way-fight-guest.html