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Your Trump 2.0 Questions, Answered [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY] (Patreon)

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What do you do if ICE comes to your door? How will Trump enforce his anti-trans orders? Are there risks to podcasting in the age of Trump? You asked some really dark questions, and we have answers.

Thank you to our beautiful subscribers!

5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.

Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social.

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Chris Hannaby

Really great episode with a ton of advice that I would love to share outside the patreon community. Would love to see this on the public feed

Joshua Golek

Thanks you three, I feel better and less alone.

Spencer

Thank you for your advice and humor during this time.

Sarah M

thank you for the episode. i want to underline - if youre trans and you already have your passport in your correct gender do NOT RENEW, it could be changed back to your previous gender marker without your consent

desdinova

Power mapping, threat modeling, and authenticity. All of those things require others. Building solidarity is important, but I'm very cool with it being more exclusive. I think every human deserves to thrive simply from the fact they exist, but I sure as shit don't want to work with them.

desdinova

I'm the director of a public library and my staff are starting to worry about right-wing dinguses trying to get on the board. I'm not really worried but it's hard to explain to them that, yeah, the threat is real but also they are all dumb idiots. Also, I'm glad you covered ICE but I wonder how people who work directly with the public should act. They aren't going to come for my staff, but the patrons who just left the bus station.

Tatum

Chicago Public School teacher here! Proud member of our union, however, there are mixed reporting on who came to the school. Its also alleged that it was secret service agents which scares me

hayley summer evans

im back at school for the spring semester and our college president has already sent multiple emails warning about acceptable protest behavior. We know the risks but we will not stop, we r just getting started! some of the loudest voices on my campus are here on scholarships/visas and if they are still fighting then I have no excuse to cede my first amendment rights.

Unruly Quaker
>>163553289

Good for you, Hayley! 🔥🔥🔥Gen X “protest mama bear” here (yep, I show up at my child’s college protests) with a gentle nudge to make sure you take turns being protest “care bears” and you take good care of each other. Who keeps us safe? We keep us safe.

Brittany Merth

I desperately need you all to cover everything going on with the federal workforce. As a career civil servant...I'm ripping my hair out. Such long-term effects that the average person doesn't think about.

Unruly Quaker
>>163553289

I truly don’t mean to sound condescending, just want to surround movement young people with solidarity, love, and care 💕

Unruly Quaker
>>163551306

Thank you for being a rad teacher! Our children are so lucky to have folks like you in their corner!

Mountain Dew Or Crab Juice

He did absolutely nothing with his power and then paid lip service to popular positions on his last day; truly, Biden was the most progressive president since FDR.

Unruly Quaker

Thank you Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael. You are beacons of light and solidarity and wit, plus you’re all wicked smart. Truly grateful for you. (I love the advice to stay frosty, yet, for some of us softy care bears, maybe the advice to us is “stay soft, hope is a discipline”?

Bryan White

Michael's anecdote about the grayhound bus driver made me CACKLE in the gym this morning. That's the hardest I've laughed in a long time and man, did I need it. Thank you!

coffinrehearsal

This was no dumpster oysters, but it was good.

SM
>>163540505

was just about to comment this! I have already shared a lot of the advice in here, it would be useful to be able to send this to people!

Gretchen Sprinkle

I appreciate that this podcast continues to be a source of grounding. The anxiety, fear, and anger we feel are valid emotions, but we can't let them in the driver's seat

Apprentice of Adventure

Re: confirmation hearings - is there some reason we can’t have a rule where unresponsive answers don’t get treated as an acceptable answer? e.g. the chair could direct the nominee to answer the question, or decline to answer, and not move on just because they said *something* that wasn’t an answer? Not that declining to answer would prevent bad faith senators from moving forward, or bad faith questions from being asked, but it seems at least a littler better than the current sham process.

Krystal Hooper

thank you so much for this, especially for rhiannon’s advice on dealing with ICE and the info about the various forms. i will be sharing this info far and wide.

Emily

Nah fuck ICE. You don't have OSHA 10 or OSHA 30. Pound sand

Rithya Kunnawalkam Elayavalli

Enjoyed the episode and made it seem a bit better. As a social out trans person but legally still my birth sex with no option to change it on Tennessee, it's really hard. Also I don't really like the move to California or New York... Fucking hell trans people live everywhere

Geoff Swindells

This was really helpful. One silly question: if one is not required to comply with Administrative subpoenas and warrants, why are agencies even allowed to issue them? I assume that they are just trying to trick us into compliance, but it *should* be illegal.

Drew Reed-Moutray

Based on the big law convo I think law students should have to watch The Firm and Devil's Advocate. Both of which, as a construction worker engaged to a lawyer, feel like the best representations of the work.

hannah lamberty

Should've known better than to listen on the monthly tornado sirens test day - ofc they started going off when rhi said "this is fucking scary"

Robert Scott Frawley

Would the 5-4 team cite the source of the know your rights docs? Thanks for posting them

Anya

I’m a premium subscriber, but please release this fully so I can send it to people who need this!!! I left a comment on Spotify but I’m coming here too because there are people I’d like to send this to. This is very important!!!!!

Olivia Biles

Issue I’m having with being in community…. All the of my local leftist mutual aid groups have so much infighting and drama. It’s such a distraction from the work and a major buzzkill. They always talk about how they need to be better at conflict resolution, but I never see any evidence of it.

Hellso

Can we talk about how they used the language sex and conception not birth? Doesn’t that make us all female 😂🫠

Dave!
>>163572135

I second this! There’s a lot of really good advice in this episode that would be helpful to everyone.

desdinova
>>163575244

wow, good point, you really gottem, I'm sure they'll stop. Every trans person I've spoken to is absolutely sick of people making that joke. The right doesn't give two shits about contradicting themselves, so why waste your energy pointing it out?

desdinova
>>163572135

play it on your phone and record it on your tape deck like the rest of us

Hellso
>>163575244

I’m trans and I’m trying to keep myself sane? I’m not wasting my energy, but your response to me feels like it was. I know the right doesn’t care about contradicting themselves— I listen to this podcast. But I also have to try to laugh at some elements while still taking shit seriously or I will literally spiral into endless depression and be useless to everyone. You coming at someone who is on your side is more of a waste of energy in my opinion

Anya
>>163572135

It’s a good alternative, but I’m going to wait to see if they’ll release it first because that’ll support their podcast more. Thanks for the suggestion, I hope you have a nice day and stay safe.

Shawn Galbraith

I really appreciated the information from Rhiannon about how to handle the presence and requests of agents and protect our peers from the legal perspective at workplaces, schools, and any institution that might be visited by immigration goons. I appreciated Michael admitting and explaining his personal fears & I appreciated Peter's cool-headed "we can handle this" approach. I cried during Rhiannon's explanation, sympathized with Michael, & aspire to Peter's calm in the face of these disasters. Peter for Congress. I have a friend who teaches High School students in WNC. Trump's recent visit there caused some of his students who currently believe themselves to be members of groups targetted by the discriminatory rhetoric of the Trumpies to become visibly afraid simply knowing he and they were nearby. This shit is not okay.

Hellso
>>163574672

I feel this. Infighting has historically been the downfall of so many leftist movements. I’m lucky that my area is pretty good at wider coalition building largely due to the diversity of my community, so I don’t have any anecdotal advice. But I think as a whole on the left, as we try to build a movement nationally and internationally, we have to be loud about our past shortcomings. We have to remind people of leftist history and how infighting has been our weakest points. We are stronger together and as long as our goal is equality we need to be on the same team. Diversifying our tactics can actually make us stronger— the most successful movements have utilized bother underground and more traditional tactics. As much as even I love to read leftist theory and discussing thinkers like Kropotkin and Graeber, theory isn’t going to save us. Working together on the tangible issues in front of us is the thing that actually matters. I wish I had a better answer but I’m not sure anyone really does

Hellso
>>163572135

I agree. It’s an alternative but this is their podcast, and it’s better to give the creators of content agency in its distribution before just distributing it without permission. Honestly it’s a good opportunity to build community, let’s have our friends over and have listening parties together. Let’s be there for each other and discuss these things. Plus it introduces more people to this podcast that is a great resource that deserves support.

desdinova
>>163574672

I recommend Subversive Seventies by Hardt for a really good analysis.

Sohee

Federal employee here! Not going anywhere, will stay and become the biggest headache for Elon 🎉

desdinova
>>163572135

Oh come on now. But if you're serious, just memorize it and recite it. Metallica they are not.

Anya
>>163572135

Yes, 100%! Not going to pretend that I don’t sail the high seas frequently lol, but I really value the work this pod is doing and I’d like to give them a chance first to make it distributable. I gotta keep some faith in community organization/building/maintenance given the way we’re headed and what’s worked historically in these situations.

Hellso
>>163566942

The universe has excellent comedic timing but a very dark sense of humor 😂

Hellso
>>163553289

Unruly Quaker may be my favorite username I’ve seen. Also as a baby millennial, I appreciate your support and advice to those of us who are younger. Collective knowledge is so important.

Hellso

Loved this episode. As always, thank you Rhiannon, Michael, and Peter for informing us in a way that makes me laugh so I don’t exclusively cry lol. If anyone is looking for more leftist podcasts with a similar vibe, I highly recommend checking out cool zone media. Their podcast It Could Happen Here in particular has been doing some great reporting on recent events both in the US and internationally. Hood Politics with Prop is on the same network and does a great job explaining political jargon in a way that is more accessible and interwoven with humor.

Anya
>>163585538

Thanks for the rec I’ll have to check these out!!

hart

Thank you for the conversation and for the ICE related resources. Are these resources available in Spanish? if yes, please share them.

Janusz Ostrycharz

I think i picked up a few months ago that ~whenever Michael laughs for more than ½ a second, it's nervous/disbelief, not that he's amused I feel the 😱

Mads
>>163575244

You show more grace in your response than that nasty comment deserved. You do you boo. Whatever it takes to keep your sanity. It’s a struggle for all of us. I wish you all the good stuff. ✨✌️

Janusz Ostrycharz
>>163549963

They're already TARGETING CHURCHES ... why not informally transform libraries into sanctuary at this point

Emily
>>163564060

I work construction so OSHA 10 and OSHA 30 are required. Only one person in a company has to have OSHA 30. Non-Compliance means you cannot enter a job site.

Rachel Ignatius

This episode is far too important to the general public for it to be subscriber only. People who listen to your podcast are looking to you for direction in a time when the entire country is seemingly on fire because you are a trusted source for reasonable information and knowledge. You have responded to that by releasing an episode full of information, inspiration, and comfort. I fully understand the necessity for the podcast to be a business, I even understand putting certain episodes behind a paywall because people will want to pay to listen to them, like the final episode of the Federalist society series you guys did, which is why I am a subscriber. But this episode is too important, it is too important to the general public and to your listeners. People need to have this information. Putting this episode behind a paywall is a poor choice. Please make this more widely available.

PJ

This is amazing

PJ

Thank you

PJ
>>163540505

Agreed!! Let’s keep us safer and share :)

desdinova
>>163549963

because informally doing it doesn't do anything, it won't fundamentally change what we do and honestly, we basically already are. And frankly I do not trust my professional colleagues to be on the right side.

Zack
>>163581686

I would prefer if the biggest headache for Elon was a debilitating stroke, but I'll root for you anyway

Sally Pierce

Motto for 2025: STAY FROSTY. Thank you for this, Team 5-4.

Carol Andersen

I listen to your podcast using PocketCasts. I've gone back to the beginning and have been listening to your entire catalog until a few days ago when everything more than 10 days old disappeared. Was this a decision you made? Something PocketCasts did? I didn't get a notification that this was going to happen. I'm suffering withdrawal; please help. Thank you, Carol A

Kate Raftery

I listened to this episode today on Podcast Addict and now it's totally gone. I can't find it, and the NCAA episode is the most recent one listed. Anyone else having this issue?

Barbara DeCesare

Please make this public. People need to hear this.

lillian marcelle

Career fed here. I have worked in various jobs within the healthcare sector. The last two weeks has been endless barrage demoralizing and hateful emails, memos, and directives. It's an endless battle keeping people from taking actions that far exceed the legal limits of these orders. Last week, all supervisors, from frontline to the top, received an email that included instructions to remove "LGBT Memorabilia" from areas including employee's desks. When questions were asked, we were told this was a "direct order." But because enough people pushed back, refused to carry it through, and continued to ask questions, the instructions were rescinded a few hours later. It's been interesting going to work every day knowing that you are quite literally fighting fascism, when all you ever wanted to do was be a healthcare provider. Anyway, thanks for talking about us in this episode. I love your podcast and I believe that the knowledge I've gained from you all has contributed greatly to my confidence to push back.

Hellso
>>163585538

BTB is one of my favorites! They also have Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff now which is the same format but cool people (if that wasn’t obvious lol) instead of bastards. Margaret Killjoy hosts it and is also wonderful. I have yet to find a cool zone show that I don’t like.

David J
>>163587895

AOC has a lot of similar stuff on her IG account in both languages

Jen
>>163575244

Desdinova, it's not a bad thing to keep reminding people that their anti-trans, anti-abortion b.s. paints them right into an anti-science corner.

Kristen Daily
>>163596476

I came here to say the same thing. As a public employee, there are a number of points that I wish I could share directly with friends and colleagues. Of course, it is ultimately the decision of the 5-4 team, but please consider it. And I do want to say thank you, because it’s been a hellish couple of weeks, and this was exactly what I needed.

Elle Moore

The segment starting with "This is a good time to pause/stay frosty..." was the most inspiring and energizing bit of wisdom I've heard these last two weeks. I transcribed it for my sister who needed these words & "doesn't do podcasts". I relished in listening on repeat while I captured it. In case anyone else may benefit from re-reading this regularly, I threw it into a Google doc (very lightly edited, mostly to remove filler words): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tINTORDXvVy0DMEVYcOgC3Gs-xeXcCfSSOTI48GRd_A/edit?usp=sharing

Elle Moore
>>163697649

@5-4 will absolutely remove if you don't want unofficial ~transcripts floating around but I will not be sharing beyond a few friends & am regularly plugging you to all my buds

Zack
>>163629910

I'm still seeing it. You may have the app set to hide played episodes? You can toggle that setting in the episode list using the button that looks like an eye.

sandragl

Update on the birth certificate. DMV employees have stated that they have old birth certificates on record digitally even if they have been updated.

NYCM&AHole

Lol cuck Schumer and dickless durbin

Method Addict

also asking if yall would make this public. id really like to send it around to people

Pelicans are my favorite dinosaur

Thinking of Rhiannon (and couple milion of other Palestinians) as Trump rolls out his ethnic cleansing plan in Gaza. I'm so sickened, I could hardly sleep. Thank the 3 of you for being here.

Samantha Jones

Was on my way to a lecture on fascist architecture at Columbia today thanks to Rhiannon’s encouragement to seek community. Arrived there and was barred from entering because the campus is now closed to the public (has been since the protests debacle). Peter may be right that the attacks won’t feel or look violent at first but we are already living in the first stages of fascism. What’s the word for irony that isn’t even a little bit funny?

lillian marcelle
>>163638863

If there are any lawyers out there who have the time to speak with me about the executive orders and memos so that I can better understand their legal limits, please reach out. I would really appreciate it.

maddy varner
>>163743734

I happened to be by Columbia recently and saw the checkin tents outside the (normally open! accessible!) entrance and it made me want to cry. I’ve gone to lectures over the years, but also bummed around the green while waiting to meet loved ones at the hospital and just straight up to kill time. The closure of universities to the public is disgusting (and if you want to seek community over that feeling know that there are others out there!!)

Lacey

Need all my non-law friends to get a patreon subscription so I can field less questions (on the other hand I now have some better answers)

Camille Conner

thank you guys once again for being a grounding voice during difficult and scary times. your work very is much appreciated.

Samantha Jones
>>163743734

Hi Maddy! Yes, it's so sad to see this kind of cowardly behavior from the ones in power. I'd love to connect with people in the NYC area who share the sentiment. I work in the art field and am using an alias. Not sure if there's a way to speak via direct message here but would be happy to connect on social media if you're open to it. If you'd rather maintain privacy I completely understand. Either way sending love!

thiccclizzy

Thank you for attaching the documents. I'm about to stir some shit up and piss off some magats.

Steve

Peter slipping in a little lore that he went to Wharton?? 👀

Noriana Grande

Paused at 27 mins to cry. I’ve always kept going for you guys. You have KEPT me going. I will continue my quest

Katy

I really need yall to release this as a non-subscriber episode. Pretty please. I know so many people who need to hear what you are saying around minute 24.

Rodolfo A

Have yall seen the memo posted two days ago by the attorney general? https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1388561/dl Where it mentions reinstating the death penalty and explicitly applies it to “aliens traversing our border without legal status” Is this only for capital crimes? It seems to be written as if this will be considered a capital crime in the future?

Cristina Schaver

Are the attachments available in other languages? Bangla?

AcredibleAllieBi

https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis https://smartelections.us/ Okay so there’s now real evidence of election interference from multiple independent nonpartisan groups. I feel like this leans heavily towards the “whom ever smelt it, dealt it” clause, much like the abusing kids.. so can a president be voided after they’ve been confirmed? I believe they’re still rooting out where the interference is, but it seems to be from mail in, they also mention the bomb threats as playing a role. I guess too, if it could be voided, would that override the immunity?

Rine Vieth

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS OUT ON THE MAIN FEED!!!!!! This episode helped get me unstuck when dealing with a lot of rough stuff around trans EOs and immigration directives. I'm so glad to be able to share it with others, a bit of love for listeners on Valentine's Day!

Candice Evers

Thanks for unlocking this, y'all. Could you folks please add this to your YouTube also? I have a dad who needs to hear this. The number of times I've said "stay frosty" recently is outta control.

Riley MacKinnon

This helped me way more then talking to anyone about politics. Really helps to think about how being scared makes you more vulnerable to the things you’re scared of as a way to scare me out of being scared

Janelle

Thank you, I really, appreciated Rhiannon's constructive advice in this episode. It's very, very easy to get stuck into a continuous doom spiral. Just joined the Patreon!