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So, thanks to you all, we fed back a massive amount of information to APG for them to walk through, over three full emails with a load of broken combos, typos, potential errors and areas of the game which were underpowered to the point that they don't get used. This was sent to Adam and he passed them all onto the APG Design/Balance team so they can walk through everything and decide what they're happy with and what they want to change.

Of course, when the new stuff comes out, there are going to be a whole bunch of busted, broken and crazy things which they have almost no chance of catching*1 and we'll cross that bridge when it happens. But right now, the design team has a window to make KD: Monster the best version of the game it could possibly be, there was an opportunity when 1.5 was made, but that didn't turn out as well as it could have, because right then the focus was not fully on smoothing out the issues and improving the play experience. The focus was mostly on updating the lore and fitting in the GSK, and one can draw their own conclusions about how successful that was, mine are in note *2 below.

So with the Gambler's Chest, Card Pack and Campaigns of Death coming, we have a whole bunch of opportunities to really fix the experience and make sure that Monster holds up somewhat against the lean, tuned, sleek competitors which are coming along and seeking to grab a large share of the market. Some of the upcoming stuff is really innovative, clean and has a wider appeal, so making sure that Monster is the best version of Monster it could be, matters.

I have absolutely zero influence on what's going to happen, but I want to take this opportunity to walk through the most problematic areas of the current experience and list them with a short paragraph of what the issue is, and a second one summarising what I personally would do to change this. My aim with any suggested changes is always to preserve the original design as much as possible (where possible) and bring things closer together in power.

So, lets go.

1. Rawhide's Dominance of the Game

There is no way that the first armor set you craft should be still used all the way through to the very final boss, but if you look, time and time again you'll see one or even two survivors wearing Rawhide for an exceptionally long time. The reasons for this are the Rawhide Headband ability and the massive survival pool this set gives. 

I would alter this by increasing the base cost of a full Rawhide set by around 50-60%, this would make the early game slower, while also increasing the value of the Node 1 monster armor sets. Rawhide should cost about 7-8 resources, not 5. I would also decouple the Rawhide Headband and make it a separate item in the Skinnery. It's a fun, useful tool, but it should fill up its own slot, not be tied to the part of an exceptionally powerful and cost efficient armor set.

2. The Counterweighted Axe

I don't think I need to say more about this weapon at this point, its activated ability is utterly busted. It should work the same as the Acid-Tooth Daggers.  

3. Silk Armor Needs a Complete Rehaul

This Node 2 Armor set costs 17... Yes 17! Resources to craft and its head piece is locked behind the L3 Spidicules. On top of that the armor has only 2 pieces of note (Head, Legs), a terrible affinity layout, no focus and a set bonus that doesn't work with anything the individual pieces of the armor set is trying to do.

This one has been confirmed to be happening, and everything apart from the head and legs needs to be rebalanced, including the costs (especially the costs). And the head piece should be locked behind a L2 Spidicules at the most, but the truth is I think it shouldn't be locked at all and...

3b. The Silk Body Suit needs repricing

This absolutely absurd beast of a gear card is too easy to make. This is the item which should be locked behind the level 3 Spidicules.

4. Gorment Armor needs buffs

There are three issues with Gorment Armor:

a) It needs better affinities on the Boots & Regeneration Suit

b) Guard needs to scale with shields other than Block 1 ones

c) The armor set isn't good enough to use for more than a few years, and it's expensive for that.

I would add a right and/or left facing red affinity to the boots, rotate the regeneration suit affinities so they are up/left/right. Change Guard so it reads 'activate a shield in your gear grid' (which has the added bonus of allowing one to combo it with Shielderang) and have the complete 5 piece set bonus add 3 armor points to all locations, not 2.

Yeah, that's a lot of buffs, but if Cycloid Scale Armor is fine to be improved in campaigns of death, so should this set.

5. White Lion Armor needs buffs

Just like Gorment above, WLA needs some improvements to make it worth while. It is too expensive, has a terrible affinity layout and lacks any decent support abilities. 

I would rehaul its affinity layout, fix the gloves so they have a more useful ability for both White Lion  & Brawler Armor and give the armor set an additional armor point to all locations. 4 Armor is an important number to reach for mid game offensive armor sets. That's why currently Screaming & Leather are the choices people make.

6. Phoenix Armor needs more Affinities

It's the Rainbow monster, and yet every single other Node 3 monster's armor is way more colourful. The Head and Body are absolutely fine, but the other three pieces need more affinities, like a lot more. I feel this armor set should be giving 1-2 of each affinity colour.

Outside of that, I have come to rather enjoy the set's charge bonus, I prefer the overall reliability of the Dragon Armor's leap most of the time, but the combination of Harvestman and Charge is something that cannot be understated in how powerful it is.

We know the Phoenix Weapons are getting some love, so I will not give them their own segment.

7. Whips & Daggers Need an Increase in Depth and Width

Daggers got a lot of loving from the promotional series, but that doesn't help people who do not own those hard to find & seasonal items. Whips on the other hand have 3 options and one campaign specific upgrade.

Also, the statline and design on both weapon types needs revision from the ground up. They just do not work as it stands right now, with the (non-promotional) Acid-Tooth Daggers and Silk Whip being the only well balanced (non-campaign specific, non-promo) options at the moment.

More whips, more daggers, more options, more power. Please. 

8. Vagabond + Black Sword should not exist as a combo

Individually, I love these two things. But together they just should not work.  I've written about this recently so I won't go into massive detail here.

9. Cycloid Scale Armor 

This set needs a bit of a rebalance, it's an absurdly powerful set of DPS options with a whole bunch of other bonuses as well. It makes every single non-ranged, non-sharp weapon way more powerful, and apparently it is due to get a buff to its armor in Campaigns of Death. Which is mindboggling - because that armor set's only weakness is its low armor.

I feel that it should disallow certain weapon types from being equipped in the gear grid, perhaps denying any weapon with 4+ base strength from being in the gear grid (or not letting them work with the sleeves). This would allow the CSA to boost up weaker weapons, without making powerful ones overwhelming.

10. Spidicules

There are so many issues with this expansion in general, many of them game breaking or just unpalatable. Which is a shame, because the showdown itself is one of the best ones in the game. The monster's programming, the layout of the terrain there and the balling mechanics are amongst the best in the entire game.

It's just the rest surrounding it that's a mess, there's so much work that needs to be done on this one; and to detail everything would be its own post in full. So I'll just list the problematic areas.

Young Rivals

Taken

All the Rings

Silk Body Suit

Silk Surgeon unlock route

Removal of Barber Surgeon Location

Amber Poleaxe

Silk Bomb

This expansion is one of two that needs the most work to repair it. It's very frustrating because it is so, SO close to being a must have. As a quick bit of praise before ending, I love the rare gear, the katars, the whip and the Scimitar - they're all amazing.

11. The Lion Knight Expansion

In a bizarre flip of the previous entry, the problems with the Lion Knight mostly revolve around the showdown experience. The Showdown is massively broken, with the AI having a flaw that can result in the Lion Knight doing almost nothing on its turns and the results of the showdown are just pure, unpleasant punishment. 

Also the post showdown "rewards" are absolutely obnoxious, with the retinue punishing the survivor who beats the Lion Knight in a ridiculous fashion. While I get that the idea of this expansion is to have survivors 'give in' to the Lion Knight's ridiculous power trip fantasy, the scenario fails to do this in its Victory/Defeat section.

I'm also interested to see how APG plan to get the Hideous Disguise calcified given that it's cursed. Based on the obnoxious nature of the current Lion Knight expansion it'll probably require you to bury the cursed survivor during the black harvest and have them die.

As a fun aside, did you know you can dismantle the Stoic Statue (aka the Lion Knight) via something like Gorm Climate and then re-innovate it once you've gotten past the events that are supposed to archive it. Keeping (a copy) of the Lion Knight in your settlement forever? It's not powerful, but it is weird as heck to do.

12. Thrown Weapons (Including Bombs)

Outside of the Bone Darts and the Beetle Bomb this entire weapon class is in need of a massive rehash. We deserve a thrown weapon proficiency, bomb should be relevant weapons with Ammo X that have debuffing effects 'on hit' (and terrible strength to compensate) and the entire roster should be expanded on with multiple additional entries to provide a meaningful progression and alternative ranged choice over bows. 

Where are our Rope Knives (Thrown/Dagger hybrid)? Where are shuriken? Javelins? Throwing Axes? Boomerangs? Thrown Clubs? Fei Cha? Slings? Staff Slings? Bolas? Dragon Beard Hook? Kestros? Kunai? Falarica? Valari? Swiss Arrows? Plumbata?  Kusarigama? 

There's such a huge wealth of interesting weapons here, but we have virtually nothing other than a few options that are hardly ever used. That sucks. All of this should be around and it needs to be supported by a fun weapon specialisation/mastery to provide the carrot to encourage players to experiment and use them. 

The decision to not have thrown weapons be a real category in KDM is one of the biggest things I lament and regret.

13. Nuclear Weapons & Cores

Something needs to be done to make this package more enjoyable and powerful because it is a lot of work to build these weapons (which can potentially kill survivors when they gather them) and when you do have them the two cores are very problematic to use because of the gear slot pressure they cause. These cores require killing a L2 and an L3 Dragon King to get, that's nothing to sneeze at, and you end up getting access to Sharp for the Red core and Deadly 2 for the Blue core, but only with the nuclear weapons themselves.  Deadly 2 is worth the slot for sure, but when you consider that it's only twice as good as a Lucky Charm, but (approx) a magnitude more expensive to build, that's not enough. The Red Core might only need a L2 Dragon King, but Sharp isn't as powerful an ability, especially when you consider that the Sunstalker's armor gives this out and the Blacksmith weapons come with it as standard. Both cores need to take up less space, or add more affinities.

The Nuclear (and all the Dragon King) weapons themselves are also in a bit of a bad space, no Node 3 monster should be dropping out weapons with less than 4 strength, and really they should be starting at 5 strength in order to let players use those weapons to progress to the level 2 (and higher) versions of the monsters.

14. Black Harvest & Vermin Obsession

Back in 1.31, the Underground Sowing portion of the Black Harvest was a tricky but manageable situation, all the farmers and the departing survivors would gain Vermin Obsession. Which meant that if you arrived at a showdown with a bug patch one would have to send everyone rushing over to the patch and pick that before they could fight the monster. It was a tense and somewhat funny moment.

However the 1.5 Doomed changes now mean that if you hit a bug patch post Underground Sow with a 15+ result; the entire hunt party is dead because they will be completely unable to move. APG seem to be happy with this, but I can't see how that is interesting or acceptable game play mechanics. It's not something players can interact with at all or even control. So Vermin Obsession should be changed to say something like.

"While there is a bug patch on the board you may not only spend your [activation] except to active it."

But worded in a more technical minded fashion. Still you get the picture, the survivor cannot attack or activate any form of gear as long as that bug patch is there, taunting them. As such they, or someone else will have to head over to the patch and activate it until it archives itself. 

They could also future proof the disorder at this point by giving it some additional interaction with the bug based quarry monsters (Dung Beetle Knight, Oblivion Mosquito, Spiral Knight) at this point. If they wanted.

So, what things do YOU want to see changed in between the Card Pack, Campaigns of Death and the Gambler's Chest? Let us know in the comments below!

Footnotes:

*1 This is because they currently only use internal playtesters, internal playtesting is influenced by the design environment and the other people in/around the workplace - both overtly and indirectly. It's one of the main the reasons that professional external playtesting exists at all (hello, that's me, but not for this game) - they come at things with a fresh set of eyes and can spot/find/do stuff that you could never imagine. One of the biggest things they do is read your stuff and discover that external interpretations of cards result in confusion or different understandings. This caused by the overriding issue of 'I know what this card is supposed to do' that the designer and internal testers are inflicted with.

*2 There's no doubt in my mind that the GSK addition was not a well executed one, the extension of the campaign by 5 years along with forced combat vs. L3s bogs the experience down a great deal. And while the idea of oxidization is excellent, little was done to improve the experiences of fighting The King's Man, Hand, Watcher or Phoenix and we were left with large gaps in certain weapon rosters. 

This means the core game content is lacking a lot of depth and variety (especially the early game, which needs 3+ different monsters in order to keep things fresh for newer players). Also the lack of a Timeline Event to introduce the looming threat of the GSK makes this titanic, important entity feel less like the final boss and more like a random dude turning up at the wrestling ring for his first match. He needs to feel weighty and as important as his place at the center of the ecosystem deserves.

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Alessio Massuoli

I would really like to see the common aspects of the game properly categorized (ie. Give a name to Rawhide Headband ability and always use it (eg. "Assess 2") so you can also move the ability to other gear/sets easily, do the same with the Circlet ability, put the star symbol for monster level everywhere, mark stuff dodge-able with some keyword or symbol, define passive abilities with a keyword). I would see common abilities moved around (it is a way to incentivize variety). If the above Rawhide Headband was scattered through another couple of gear items and fighting arts, possibly with slight variations, you would end up seeing much more variety in armor anyway.

Alessio Massuoli

The post above was very poorly written, sorry about that. I won't edit it because my keyboard is next to dying and I need it for the entire day before I'm able to get "her" new batteries, so I will just apologize :P

Alessio Massuoli

Oh, and Tactics. If we are going to see more Knights (Gold Smoke one gets a pass because it's currently a final boss (let's see with Ivory Dragon and that Pinup Gold Smoke armor what will happen), there will better be more Tactics, and with it some kind of organization -- some specialized stuff to be able to better choose an appropriate Tactic for some cost (like a Fighting Art which tells you "spend 3(5?) survival to redraw your tactics cards"), or some interaction when you have multiple badges (otherwise you will just draw everything multiple times), or some fusing together badges. Or a "badge set bonus" which will draw out an underlying theme, which is currently evoked only by the presence of the Tactics themselves (all Knights are sort of good guys, after all) And a way to make Tactics less varying in power. We have the uber-stuff and the ok-stuff, with my personal, hateful "won't-touch-even-with-a-3ft-pole" single Tactic (but it's a matter of tastes). I like the added variability Tactics add, but currently they are either an unwanted (or unaccounted for) boon, or they sit forgotten in the sides because you have to apply a more reliable strategy. Speaking of which, if there was an inherent way to Innovate in a general direction, instead of wasting a few years creating just bloat in the deck when you are especially unlucky (like the possibility of spending extra resources when Innovating to "put aside" unwanted drawn Innovation cards in a reserve deck, so to reduce bloating in the main deck, and the chance to spend endeavors later to put a single card from the reserve deck back to the innovation deck) would be deeply appreciated, as far as general gameplay goes.

lordagain

I really wish that the underpowered principles like cannibalism get some love, so we can get more varied campaign experiences without making a suboptimal pick. Though seeing what was done to survival of the fittest in 1.5, I do worry that they would just make them the new superior choice. I’d like to see saviors improved too, maybe not to pre-1.5 levels but something better than glorified murderbait. That would help even the balance between protect the young and survival of the fittest as well.

Arkadiusz Chojaczyk

1. Rework or remove Immortal from the game. Getting infinite insanity is not a problem, and having a guy that can tank everything is really gamebreaking. 2. Gloom man is getting fixed, so that's that. 3. Rework Analtorium, or make it once per showdown. With some setup (shields, bandages, Excrete, Founding Stone for Age Eater), one can make virtually infinite loop of tanking, getting age tokens, then Insight (acc, mov, ins) or insta White Secret to try for Ageless. With CE it's really easy, because of block 2 on Feather Shields, so you don't even need to dodge.

Marian Luckhof

I tend to think that SotF should be debuffed again (maybe remove that +1 Str?) and I think Graves should be debuffed as well. For me it feels like the superior choice because it's simply too strong compared to Cannibalism. Maybe let it give out 1 Endeavor regardless of the game phase someone dies. Saviors are a real disappointment, nothing compared to Constellations or Warriors of the Sun. That's a shame I'd like to see corrected. Re: Rawhide I'd say increase cost by 50-70% and make the Survival gain on 8+; or gate the Headband behind some L2 stuff. Or make it another item with high costs, as well as CEC (which for me is pure frustration to me because it feels irreplacably important (apart from Wisdom potion) and totally random to get in the same time. Eye of the Cat should be some kind of Strange Ressource). No matter what, debuff Rawhide and CEC; the snowball nature of KDM makes these items much too influencial for the course of the campaign.

Gerrit

You brought up most of the changes that should have been in 1.5. Here are a few more that I would have liked. They had a chance to rebalance many problem areas, but kept a surprising amount of them unchanged. King's Man - A good armor set card for wearing 1+ Regal armor gear. - Not being able to die so easily on a low roll result of King's Step. - Better rewards table. Like, having the chance to get the Lantern Halbard from it. - Less obnoxious Silent Hymn. - Possibly shifting the thresholds on Armored Strangers to 9-/10+. The Hand could have been fixed by changing only 1-2 S cards. - A better reward ratio that would make fighting and turtling equally viable options. Buff the two underpowered principles. - Cannibalism - Barbaric

Lushipur

Total rework of the innovate mechanics with a true skill tree with specific path and cost

coblen

This is a pretty good list. The armor selection is Kingdom death is really a sore spot for the games balance. Basically every armor needs something to change. I will say that silk armors cost is high nine of it is silk which barely counts. I find I usually have an excess of silk anyways so it really doesn't feel like an expensive set. Just none of the pieces of it fit together nicely. Personally I would prefer if they kept the affinities as they are but buffed the individual effects. It's more interesting when the armor sets don't perfectly fit together an you have to pick and choose which parts you are going to activate.