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Shōgun S1E6 Premium Release! (Patreon)

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Calem

Why would she have a child with someone she hates and wants dead?

ryanapplegos

Kind of like you said at the end, the Anjin (they call him that so much that I often forget his real name) sort of stumbled into a story larger than himself. While there are definitely moments (mostly early on) where he contributes to Toranaga's quest, he mostly just seems to lend an outsider's perspective, and his friction with this culture allows for an explanation and exploration for feudal Japanese society. He constantly questions everyone's behavior, and what I've always seen as a takeaway is that the Anjin places value on life (and how you live it) while the people around him place value on death (and how you find it). He may be a protagonist, but he's not THE protagonist. I'd say he shares that title with Toranaga and Mariko (both of whom won Emmys for best leading Actor/Actress).

Nolan L Thomas

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Very well said my friend. A wonderful and thoughtful explanation and perspective.

ryanapplegos

You're right. It wasn't with Toranaga, just a random peasant (they say it more explicitly in the book).

Nolan L Thomas

Basically, the women are playing chess, and the men are playing checkers. It makes sense.

Nolan L Thomas

Your guys are correct about Blackthorn being more of a surrogate protagonist for the audience to learn about feudal Japan. Along maybe add a outsider perspective on the culture.

mundanelotus

This being my second time watching show, I'm picking up on a lot more plot points thanks to you guys pointing out stuff. I completely missed that the Taiko's heir wasn't even his

Drift3r

Kiku the courtesan's character is so interesting because of how perceptive she is at reading other people and what they desire. She instantly realized that Yabushie is the type of guy that likes to watch when she heard about his fascination with death. And in this episode we see her again quickly pick up on there being something between John and Mariko. So her sitting out of view of John so that he would only see Mariko, as Mariko translated her words, was just a stroke a of genus. She is a master of her craft.

christopher

Not a defence for buntaro but it would not matter how good he was to mariko she did not understand that the marriage was to save her. To her the marriage was for an alliance with people that were already their allies it was a worthless marriage from the start so she wanted to die because dying with her family is a better death.

Drift3r

That statement is not true. While Ochiba is playing "chess" so are other character(s).

Drift3r

Nice. Another Buntaro respecter. His character is easy to hate but when you understand him, and the bigger picture, well...

Nolan L Thomas

He might not be a likable guy. But he is an interesting character who I came to respect by the end.

christopher

No, I understand Buntaro I don't respect him, he still acts horribly, not just to her but to his own son. Next season, maybe he can make me respect him

thereactpack

I’m sure if he treated her better they would at least have a decent friendship. -Sam

christopher

The problem is that Mariko wants to die, so no matter what, she will always resent buntaro for not allowing her to commit suicide.

thereactpack

You’re right. Maybe the resent would drop .00001% 😂 -Sam

Nolan L Thomas

I can understand that. Maybe it’s more a begrudging respect is the better word. But he definitely has big trash qualities about him.

Sekraan

@Nolan - I think it's more that the men and women are playing entirely different games. And not in the sense that I think you meant (as in one set is playing a more complicated and strategic game than the other); rather, they don't see each other as direct competitors for the most part.

Nolan L Thomas

Yes. Correct. It was more a figure of speech.

ryanapplegos

Oh, I'm pretty sure Mariko knows exactly Buntaro's reasoning, she's smart enough to understand. It's just that surviving the loss of her family goes 100% against her wishes, and she resents him for that (and resents him for other reasons too ofc).

Duffy the Nar Slayer

I've always seen it as a reverse Robert Baratheon to Cersei Lannister relationship from GOT. Cersei admitted that at the beginning of her marriage, she admired and was fully in love with Robert. But after years of him returning no affection to her, neglecting, disrespecting her, and being in love with another woman who was already dead, her love and admiration turned to hatred and vindictiveness. Buntaro was all about the marriage; Mariko was not. She was always cold to him and constantly asking to die rather than be married to him for years. This warped his feelings for her to resentment and vindictiveness. Doesn't justify or excuse his abuse, but it does begrudgingly make you understand his feelings on some level.

thereactpack

Definitely has great rewatch value!! -Morgan

dp

Pre-marriage relationship between Mariko and Buntaro: Buntaro loved her. Mariko was indifferent. Upon marriage: Buntaro loved her. Mariko either didn't care about him, or was offended by his (comparably) low status and family background. Like every other male at the time, he was also a misogynist. But because he truly loved her and respected her family, he treated her better than your avg man would, even when his love was never returned. He knew she was way out of his league so he kinda accepted it. After her family's wipeout: Buntaro still loved her. Mariko resented him for denying her honorable death. Now that her family name fell from grace, he thought that he now had an upper hand in their relationship. So he expected some level of obedience and gratitude from her. But it was exactly the opposite. Up until then she didn't care much about him, but now she actively resented him. He eventually snapped and thus began the DV. In actual history, Akechi Tamako (Mariko's motif) had it worse. When her dad Akechi Mitsuhide betrayed and assassinated Oda Nobunaga, Hosokawa Tadaoki (Buntaro's motif) spared her out of love. But to protect her, he had to confine her in isolation at a remote mountain hamlet. Tamako was going through severe depression, but she found solace at church, probably because she was feeling survivor's guilt and the church prohibited seppuku. 2 years later, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the new lord of Japan, granted her a sort of an amnesty. She was to be moved back home, where she'd be confined for the rest of her life. So she finally came back home. But her husband already had a concubine at his side. For this she resented him. Feeling betrayed, she turned to religion. She officially converted to Catholic, and was given a new name Gracia. But around this time, Portuguese merchants started human trafficking and caused a lot of problems. Hideyoshi didn't like foreign influences to start with, so he seized the opportunity to apply political pressure against the Catholics. This is when Gracia's life plummeted even further. As a devout Catholic, she harbored and protected Christians. But as a feudal retainer, her husband chased and persecuted them. Her husband threathened her to renounce her belief in various unmentionable way, from cutting off her maids noses off to selling them off to red light districts. BTW, Maria is Mariko's Christian name. I remember the ladies being confused about this. In Asia, Christians get a new name when baptized. I thought it was the same everywhere, but apparently it's virtually non-existent in English speaking countries because their legal names are almost always already some Christian saints' names.