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Cameron_1

I was waiting for this literally just made dinner

Nolan L Thomas

So happy and appreciative for the early drop.

Cameron_1

Nolan and Debbie are going to get back together looks like........don't like this I was cool with her forgiving him at some point and then being cool but no!

Dammy Oshikoya

Baby steps with Nolan, he’s got this, that shot of them looking at earth, I mean COME ON, they look great together S5 is gonna be so good

Cameron_1

I like the mental health aspect of this episode really touches on the struggles of superheros aftermath

duckking235

THE Allen we know is no more

Nolan L Thomas

I agree with you fully. I down with Debbie forgiving Nolan but getting back together just seems so…yuck😂😂. I just hope the show continue its good track record of handling things better than the books.

mywrld

Theres no way we got a Steve Harvey origin story.

Nolan L Thomas

Same. Superheroes go through so much wild shit, it’s makes perfect sense some of them would struggle mentally with all that. Especially someone like Mark, who has been through the grinder multiple times.

Nolan L Thomas

The thing only I agree with you about, is S5 going to be great.

King Gluzzy

They definitely getting back together by the end of season 5 for better or worst. Ig just be happy they didn’t do the comic version or they would be Doing it on the ship rn 💀

Nolan L Thomas

It going to be interesting, especially since Allen seems to be all their favorites.

Dammy Oshikoya

I see Nolan/Debbie current “relationship” similar to someone taking back a cheater, men and women out there have gotten back with their former ex because they change. But lol, I like Paul, he was cool/a nice normal man for Debbie but, sadly, Nolan is Debbie’s soulmate and that will ALWAYS triumph

Nolan L Thomas

That's a really simplifying and minimalizing what Nolan did. But I'm happy that your ship is sailing.

CHRISXGAMESALOT

Do they hold Cecile to the same standard as Nolan? He's Nolan without superpowers. A government agent spy tasked with protecting his home and species at any costs. I don't need Debbie and Nolan back together. But I want reconciliation for them. The idea that Nolan is a complete monster is one sided. Considering how this planet of ours do the same to one another.

Cameron_1

Imagine cat calling Anissa and that eye patch guy about to have 6 or 7 kids (didn't do that on purpose) he's not wasting no time

Kazumasa

Nolans game must be studied he's already back in the game its just gonna take time let my boy COOK

thereactpack

We've said the same about Cecil, don't take it personally. We said we are okay with Debbie forgiving him but don't want them back together. We didn't wish him dead 😂 We are allowed to want better for Debbie, and she does deserve better. -Sam

Nolan L Thomas

Your stance is both very understandable and reasonable, Sam. Debbie does deserve better.

Nolan L Thomas

It took four seasons, but all the trauma Mark has been through is finally collapsing in on him. Those terrifying hallucinations culminating into the actual real thing, and Thragg giving Mark a choice he couldn't refuse is just...so heartbreaking. I'm so happy and proud of Mark starting to work on his PTSD. I hope truly hope the next season exploring it. It actually makes Mark Grayson a more endearing hero in my opinion.

CHRISXGAMESALOT

My apologies I'm new here thank you for responding.

CHRISXGAMESALOT

She deserves ownership of earth lol she saved it.

Pr1m1t1ve

This man gave Mark PTSD (Post-Thragg Stress Disorder)

Fluff

Death Cab for Cutie being an "old band"" made me shrivel up and die of old age, thanks

GodUsopp

your opinions are very valid and i agree with it, I despise the idea that a little life risking and doing some good would ever make someone take back a super serial killer, If debbie and nolan get back together ill think less of debbie

GodUsopp

Yeah superhero comics and shows just kinda act like because you are a superhero you should be fine having multiple near death experiences and killing people. Mark was raised as a normal human with normal human emotions

GodUsopp

Its unforunate because i can 1000 percent tell they are getting back together and I will have to think less of debbie as a character for it. The man has more death and destruction on his hands than most supervillains in invincible. I would of been fine with her staying with paul who seems like a really good guy, and then her slowly forgiving Nolan but never getting back with him

wstar

As much as I love both Debbie and Nolan SEPARATELY, the thought of them getting back together makes me feel kinda sick 😭💔 please don’t do this bro, just let them be on okay terms with each other

Aniruddha Sharma

In the comics, Paul was toxic and drove Debbie back to Nolan, and they immediately start banging in the spaceship. So this was much more well done.

Aniruddha Sharma

Nolan redeemed himself by fighting to save the Universe. If Vegeta can redeem himself, so can Nolan.

Nolan L Thomas

Bruh, the conversation between Mark and Thragg was so tense and terrifying. Him telling Mark that he was their savior was bone-chilling.

Nolan L Thomas

Two different series with two different mortal compasses.

GodUsopp

death in dragon ball vs death in invincible are 2 different things entirely. I didnt say Nolan couldnt be trusted on earth again Im purely talking about debbie. By the time Bulma met vegeta he was an enitrely different person than the mass murderer. Everyone vegeta ever killed has been wished back. The people Nolan killed are dead.

Aniruddha Sharma

More. Kregg found cigarettes, motorcycles, and women. He is about to go so deep into his character that he's gonna forget the mission.

Nolan L Thomas

Me and Sam are on the same wavelength when it comes to Debbie and Nolan's reconciliation. The writing needs to be on million with that development. I also appreciate the commentary from you ladies on Mark and Eve, the relationship has grown on me as well. Even if at times I'm super indifferent about it.

Nolan L Thomas

Same. The amount of Omni-Man apologist is wild.

Roland Sarkadi

btw guys in the comics Debbie folded almost instantly like on the way back to Talescria in ep 8 they were already having s*x

Ziggy

Nah they're pushing the get-back-together agenda, I just hope they spend a bit longer and really make it even half way sensible

KIMI

Verily23

Baby steps is an understatement. He didn't cheat on Debbie, he killed thousands with 0 remorse and would have killed billions if mark didn't convince him. He considered Debbie a pet and only retroactively learned to love her as a person. There is no universe where he deserves ANYTHING from Debbie

Verily23

Rt, not much the show can do because they're being cornered into this storyline by the comics but I hate it and I hate that people are already on board with it

Nolan L Thomas

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Thank you

Nolan L Thomas

The amount of apologist capping for him is gross.

Adriane Jafari

Is this true? Correct me if im wrong but im sure vegeta has killed billions before landing on earth

OB11

People have forgiven Vegeta, Vader even MEGATRON for less lol. They defo need to execute it correctly but it’s not a “character assassination” considering the circumstances

OB11

Ngl this just isn’t true regardless of thinking they shouldn’t get back together. I’m not arguing the morality cos obviously it’s an atrocity but he didn’t actually consider Debbie a pet or JUST learn to love her retroactively. The show makes it clear it’s a front

chefboyarkey

Just when you think Eve can’t get any hotter

GodUsopp

well we dont know that but, he def was a terrible guy but they made a wish to bring back everyone ever killed by frieza and his men

Marcus

He's one of the most interesting characters on the show, why wouldn't we love him? Loving the character doesn't mean you agree or defend their actions lol Villains are popular for a reason

Marcus

Did you really censor the word sex? Wild

Marcus

Aah I see, that checks out lol

Nolan L Thomas

We need to normalize this type of mentality. Like I love Bullseye and Thragg but trying to defend and justify their actions even if I can understand even sympathize/empathize is crazy work.

Nolan L Thomas

You’re Preaching and testifying my friend. I’m with you ten toes down.

OB11

I really don’t get this ngl, Megatron, Darth Vader, Magneto, Vegeta, Obito etc etc all have legions of fans and got their redemption arcs and/or happy ending for far worse atrocities than Nolan. Idk why liking Nolan is seen as a bad thing lmao he’s an excellent character.

KIMI

OB11

In terms of the virus it’s not guaranteed that it will all affect humans but the possibility of it gives Allen’s decision whatever it ends up being more weight. Long term destroying Viltrum was a good move since it erases Thragg’s goal of trying to rebuild Viltrum but yeah short term it sets up Earth to be ground zero for future conflict. Lastly I fully hear the anti Debbie X Nolan reconciliation. If it happens it NEEDs to be written well for both their sakes tbh. I do think the door was always left open though. Even Debbie saying “you killed the man I loved” in Ep 5 to me at least shows she does have some feelings left there tbh. She acknowledges how she felt and is trying to separate the 2 “versions” of Nolan (as Mark also did in S3) but like Mark kinda realised this season, those 2 “versions” are still the same person

Nolan L Thomas

Yet, some of these folks had more heat for Amber😂😂

OB11

I don’t see anyone excusing his actions tho? Giving context with his upbringing of 1000s of years of indoctrination isn’t an excuse it’s simply just context, doesn’t mean he didn’t murder those 2K people or erase what he did to his family. However like that doesn’t mean he can’t have a redemption arc as long as it’s done well which SO FAR it has been. I was just using other well known examples

OB11

Yeah that’s fair enough but like no one excuses their actions tbh (bar Vegeta lowkey). They just don’t agree with the whole “if Debbie takes him back it’s character assassination” when as long as they write it well it isn’t

Nolan L Thomas

Yup. But folks don’t want to talk about that😄😄

Nolan L Thomas

Homie, nobody arguing with Nolan working or even gaining redemption. He doesn’t needed to get back together with Debbie to achieve that.

OB11

Amber’s case is just bad writing tbh, her flipping on Mark makes sense but not if she knows he’s a hero. Feel like the writers threw away he actual character decisions for the sake of a “twist”

OB11

No one is saying that getting with Debbie is his redemption arc we’re just saying it’s not a character assassination

Verily23

It's different. The issue with Nolan is his constant guilt tripping of everyone and need to be forgiven. He acts like he deserves it even if he says otherwise, it doesn't read as self-atonement. Vegeta was just there, he didn't care or have an agenda and yeah he's a POS and really shouldn't be forgiven but he's not looking at people with a sad puppy face and asking for it either

Nolan L Thomas

Also Invincible and DBZ are two completely different stories with different themes and elements. Comparing the two is kind of trivial in my opinion.

Nolan L Thomas

Me too, He basically told Debbie because she is a good person, she will eventually forgive him and so she should stop being an asshole to him. The way they try to make it seem like Debbie was in the wrong was nasty.

OB11

I used other examples (Magneto, Megatron, Obito etc) again not to defend their actions cos they commit even harsher crimes but just to show this isn’t really a new concept. Saying that, Vegeta was blowing up planets for fun I think you can still compare the actions even if DBZ treats it with less weight

OB11

Yeah that was wild tbf

OB11

Fair enough. I don’t entirely agree (I think the show has left that door open even if subtly) but obviously it’s still a HUGE jump from where she is rn. Think my issue was more with implying it’s crazy to like Nolan

Majo

Can’t blame him… he’s caught between a rock and a hard place. I guess what, Thragg could be both, but harder.

Mario Prime Plays

Debbie going back to Nolan is like going back to someone who cheated on you...BUT WORSE. Imagine going back to your mass murdering ex, yuck. Hope Paul gets with Anissa.

Kevin

Paul=Good guys finish last lmao.Not all the time but,it happens enough

Marsuvies Black

more brainwashed super solider than serial killer, Nolen never seemed to enjoy killing it was the misson.

Mike Hunt

Rudy and monster girl* I refuse to acknowledge him as Rex!

Andor-lover

I can see omni man and debbie getting back together, but not for a WHILLLEEEEE, even then just being on ok terms with each other is what I would prefer but the comics kinda corner them

thereactpack

Fingers crossed he forgets his mission hahaha -Morgan

victor salazar

Everyone talking about nolan and debbie and I'm out here upset mark didnt slap cecil for almost getting killed by conquest

victor salazar

Oh and poor mark with the post-thraggmatic stress disorder

marty

this show's gonna have to carry the storylines next season because I can't see Debbie getting back together with Nolan without it ruining her character

Antwone

How will that ruin her character?? Get over yourself

marty

lol

Krillin It

I swear this show is giving me gray hair

universe

Bro Rudy going to be on demon time

universe

Atom eve was always thicc this should not be a surprise

universe

So are we getting Rudy aka robot season 5 or season 6

ItsReal EightySix

Dani must be the goddess of the dreamworld, cause she knew every moment wasn’t real just about 😂

Krillin It

Nah Paul didn't lose, things just weren't going to work for them. Losing would be dragging it out. Also the show is filled with "good guys" getting the girl.

Dune

I do really love that ending. Mutually shared destruction or cohabitation. The benefit is that it would obviously take them a long time to repopulate their race even if its only half viltrumites so there wouldn't be any immediate danger to earth for a long while. Now nolan and debbie it wouldn't be the worst thing if they got back together but I don't think anybody on earth would ever forgive him aside from her.

Dune

Also I would assume paul and debbie broke up because debbie probably spent all that time worrying about mark and oliver and it definitely took a toll on the relationship.

Kevin

True lol I feel bad for the guy

Honest of Abes

Cecil should thank Thragg if he sees him at some point. Sheesh if not for that trauma Mark would’ve smacked him upside the head for saving Conquest that lead to his, uh… disembowlment 😬

GrayStark

Yo Kimi I dislike Amber and it’s not cause she’s black. Hope this helps!

thereactpack

Just because that’s not the reason you disliked her, doesn’t mean what Kimi said isn’t true. Even we saw the discourse and hate that Amber got and we have a lot of invincible keywords blocked. An anecdotal fallacy. -Sam

Majo

With Paul and Debbie, it’s like this show is telling us people are better off dating someone in their same community. In Mark and Debbie’s case, super heroes and space battles.

thereactpack

Don’t worry I agree. I’m not convinced there’s any way to write it where I would personally like it. Nolan can act on the lessons he learned with someone else :/ -Sam

marty

Exactly, not even that big an ask to hope they write it well if they're adamant on that direction. I'd rather Debbie forgive him but stay separate, or Nolan earn redemption for its own merit without equating to getting Debbie back

OB11

The Amber discourse is complicated because she was genuinely a badly written character in S1 but criticsm of her was snowballed into genuine misogynoir by people. Her being a black woman meant she got more hate then was valid tbh. It’s a similar situation with Rey and Korra unfortunately. Genuine critics of them can get lumped with the wave of misogynistic hate (and racism in Amber’s case). And like as someone who’s black myself it’s not something that I take lightly. I’ve often found gets done to black characters and particularly black women - despite there being valid criticisms of those characters

GrayStark

Yes racists try to ruin what they can. No, hatred is not the correct path, logic is. Yes Ambers character was badly written. Yes Nolan’s character is better written. No Nolan can’t be redeemed. Yes Nolan and Debbie getting back together is shitty writing. No, my point is not invalid simply because I’m just one person out of a 100 racists. There, no more personal anecdotes. Simple and true facts of the matter.

GrayStark

Also Nolan I beg of you to find something better to do than spend your life in this patreon comment section. Genuinely

GrayStark

Look I come here and make sense. If that upsets you then I urge you to breathe. 4 secs in 5 secs out. It’ll change your life

GrayStark

Okay damn, that one hurt.

Nolan L Thomas

Likewise, the writing needs to be on point like a million sharp blades and I highly doubt they be able to pull it off that's not wholeheartedly damaging to Debbie's character. Like you said, Omni-Man can take the lesson he learn with someone else.

Nolan L Thomas

Naw, I'm good. Appreciate the concern though.

Nolan L Thomas

As a fellow black person, you not wrong at all. I see the same and it nasty and puts hate into a person’s heart.

DeMar

I think it's clear the writing won't be "good" to get her back with a alien that had a mission to take over the planet and killed many humans.... So you might as well get ready to embrace disappointment.

Aniruddha Sharma

He is one of the main characters, he literally fought off 1000 years of conditioning to go against his own people, and everything that he once believed in.

.Mvnk

“get over yourself” ??? what does that even mean in this context😭

samuel gonzales

I knew it wasn't real because Thragg was able to pick up Eve