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0:00 – Intro

0:21 – When watching raw, is re-listening to sentences that you couldn’t understand a few times before checking the subtitles a good way to immerse?

2:22 – Do you think science will one day go onto fully understand the mechanism behind how the brain acquires language?

6:29 – Can you say the tongue twister from Bakemonogatari?

7:19 – After reaching solid fluency, to what extent to do continue to improve naturally simply through continuing to immerse in the language

12:15 – I just learned that I was reviewing the JP1K completely wrong. What should I do from here?

15:14 – When listening, why am I able to clearly hear words that I know but not hear words that I don’t know?

20:42 – I am constantly frustrated by how inconsistent kanji readings are; how should I deal with this?

24:49 – What are your thoughts on the area between free-flow immersion and intensive immersion?

27:43 – Have you ever considered becoming a monk?

29:12 – If it takes me 30 minutes to watch a 20-minute anime episode, is that 30 minutes or 20 minutes of immersion?

33:57 – How should I use a frequency list to choose what words to make cards for?

38:24 – I hate reading and flashcards. Can I learn my TL through listening alone?

43:23 – When in the Refold roadmap should you study pitch accent?

45:52 – If I’m a native Chinese speaker, will I be able to pick up pitch accent naturally?

46:44 – How many years into learning Japanese did you reach a point where you were emotionally moved by Japanese content?

47:56 – If you’re a proponent of watching shows with TL subs, why are you against listening to audiobooks while reading the transcript?

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Patreon Q&A - June 19th, 2021

TIMESTMPS: 0:00 – Intro 0:21 – When watching raw, is re-listening to sentences that you couldn’t understand a few times before checking the subtitles a good way to immerse? 2:22 – Do you think science will one day go onto fully understand the mechanism behind how the brain acquires language? 6:29 – Can you say the tongue twister from Bakemonogatari? 7:19 – After reaching solid fluency, to what extent to do continue to improve naturally simply through continuing to immerse in the language 12:15 – I just learned that I was reviewing the JP1K completely wrong. What should I do from here? 15:14 – When listening, why am I able to clearly hear words that I know but not hear words that I don’t know? 20:42 – I am constantly frustrated by how inconsistent kanji readings are; how should I deal with this? 24:49 – What are your thoughts on the area between free-flow immersion and intensive immersion? 27:43 – Have you ever considered becoming a monk? 29:12 – If it takes me 30 minutes to watch a 20-minute anime episode, is that 30 minutes or 20 minutes of immersion? 33:57 – How should I use a frequency list to choose what words to make cards for? 38:24 – I hate reading and flashcards. Can I learn my TL through listening alone? 43:23 – When in the Refold roadmap should you study pitch accent? 45:52 – If I’m a native Chinese speaker, will I be able to pick up pitch accent naturally? 46:44 – How many years into learning Japanese did you reach a point where you were emotionally moved by Japanese content? 47:56 – If you’re a proponent of watching shows with TL subs, why are you against listening to audiobooks while reading the transcript?

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Daniel

Hey Matt! At the height of your Japanese ability, were you able to listen to Japanese songs and understand all the nuance (things like double entendres, pop-culture references, etc.)? If so, was that a specific skill you had to train or did it just come naturally over time with more immersion? Also, what are your top 5 favorite Japanese music albums? Need some music recommendations haha thanks!

Anonymous

Hypothetically, if I had to learn a new language from scratch but I was magically gifted with the ability to perfectly parse all of the phonemes of the new language, how much faster could I learn it?

Raphael DeLima

For the past 6-7 months of listening everyday to Japanese for nearly 16 hours a day I find that I don’t have a problem hearing hearing most things I see in tv shows. However even with studying Japanese words by frequency nearly every day I find that I can only understand about 70-80% of what is said. The other 30-20% I can still hear enough to be able to look the words I without assistance. Is this normal? Also do you have any other recommendations for bridging in the rest of that gap, or is the usual anki, sentence mining, monolingual translation and immersion sessions all that is needed? Are there other things we can do to bridge the gap to improve comprehension?

Anonymous

Is there anything you would trade your japanese ability for?

Anonymous

what do you think would be the most optimal way to train and recognize pitch accent patterns?

Anonymous

Hey Matt, I have a question about passive immersion. Between school, a nearly full time job, and other hobbies, I don't have a large amount of time I can dedicate to active immersions daily other than doing my JP1K flashcards and maybe 5 minutes of a grammar guide every day. However, because my job involves mostly driving, I have a lot of time to dedicate to passive immersion (usually I get in about 6ish hours a day). Do you think that this amount of passive immersion alone is sufficient to develop listening skills? Or should I start cutting down on time spent on flashcards and the grammar guide to do more immersion? For reference I'm at stage 1C-ish so your answer might change for a beginner with less of foundation.

Anonymous

How is learning Chinese going? Matt vs China coming anytime soon? Haha. Just wondering if you have any plans to put out content of your process with leaning Chinese and maybe how different it is compared to leaning Japanese? Are there any Chinese-specific things that you feel are important enough to talk at length about in the future?

Anonymous

Matt, For reference, I currently reside in China and am at Stage 4 in learning Mandarin. I can output with accuracy on a range of topics (philosophy, education, history, literature, etc.). Currently, my main goals with Mandarin are twofold: To improve my ability to write in these key domains with nuance and eloquence, while at the same time increasing the overall number of domains that I can comprehend and express basic ideas about. As to the second of these goals (increasing the overall number of domains), I believe that you and I are in full accord with how to proceed: listen and read a lot in these domains, focus and drill any new vocabulary or grammar that you believe you haven’t or won’t acquire from immersion. After some time following this routine, begin to carefully output in these domains through writing, finding points of grammar and vocabulary that you have not yet acquired. My set of questions relates to the first of my goals, namely moving from outputting correctly to outputting eloquently. To define briefly what I mean by eloquent: language that is clear, precise, concise and fresh/original is eloquent. If I can elaborate further on this definition, please let me know. What I have found in the last half-year of writing and being corrected is that, very often, the corrections I receive are more about stylistics - about which phrasing of a sentence from a variety of idiomatically correct choices sounds best in a given context - rather than grammatical or lexical. Now, at the level of vocabulary and grammar, any three or four random native speakers should be in agreement as to when they hear something that sounds “off”. However once you have reached the level of worrying about stylistics, different native speakers can have widely different views on what sounds “right” (a.k.a. eloquent) and what sounds “wrong” (a.k.a. not eloquent). Furthermore, at this level most natives often do not signal whether the specific correction they are making is a stylistic choice rather than a grammatical or lexical mistake, which makes identifying true mistakes a pain. Some examples of sentences where I have differing corrections from natives are attached below. At this level of language use, how can I go about getting clear feedback which both points out my true mistakes, and at the same time pushes me to express my ideas more eloquently -that is more clearly, precisely, and freshly - by showing me alternate ways of expressing the same idea? My own partial solution has been to get the same piece of writing checked by two or three different native speakers - without telling any of them that I am having the writing corrected by others, and then compare the corrections side by side. Places where all two or three native speakers changed a given sentence I marked as incorrect, and places where only one native made changes I marked as a stylistic choice on the part of the specific native. This system is not perfect at all, and I would love to hear your input on how to improve it. At this point, would I be better served to forgo corrections by random natives and instead try to find and adopt one or two natives who are also truly eloquent writers in their native language? I have tried to search for such a person in the past, but gave up after contacting 10 to 15 tutors, none of whom could meet my requirements - namely that they write regularly and could send me samples of said writing so that I could read it myself and judge whether I thought there writing up to standard. Warmest, 孙 Note: In my original post I included examples from my writings in Chinese, but then I realized that perhaps it would be better to also include some similar examples in English of what I am talking about. Note that the English examples are not meant to be exact translations of the Chinese, but instead are sentences related to the same topics. 中 1 Original: 意见的价格多贵呢? Correction 1: 意见有多少价值? Correction 2: None 2 Original: 譬如,法国大革命到底是怎么影响十八世纪的欧洲君主? Correction 1: 譬如,法国大革命到底是怎么影响十八世纪的欧洲君主的? Correction 2: None 3 Original: 证明事实后,还不能松懈,而要进一步提及——历史大事与伟大的人物究竟有什么意义、有什么关系? Correction 1: 证明事实后,还不能松懈,而要进一步证明——历史大事与伟大的人物究竟有什么意义、有什么关系? Correction 2: None 英 1 Original: How much is an idea worth? Correction 1: What’s the value of an idea? Correction 2: How much would you be willing to pay for an idea? 2 Original: For example, what exactly was the French Revolution’s effect of the monarchs of 18th centruy Europe? Correction 1: For example, how much did Revolutionary France impact 18th century Europe’s leaders? Correction 2: For example, to what extent did the Revolution in France change the contemporary European ruling elite. 3 Original: Even after proving the facts, the historian’s job is far from finished, for now he must attempt to show the siginificance and the relationship between all these events and people. Correction 1: The historian cannot rest after finding all the facts, because his hardest job of all now looms before him: to show how all these events and people are connected with each each other, and why we in the present should care.

Anonymous

That answer was great, thank you. For reference on the Chinese into Japanese pitch accent thing - research has been done into perfect pitch (the musical skill of being able to name a note without any context) and found that a greater percentage of Chinese people have perfect pitch, but of course it's still far from all people. From the tiny amount I know of Japanese pitch accent, it sounds like the main difficulty is being able to understand and unconsciously apply the rules, and so while a Chinese native speaker might be naturally better at hearing the sounds, a lot of them may still need some study of the rules to understand why things sound the way they do and how that changes depending on context etc etc. About the listening/reading at the same time - I've definitely been an advocate of that activity, and I have a few reasons for that but they are long to explain. I also don't disagree with much that you've said here, and I would also say that doing it in a script language rather than a character language is probably quite different, especially if the script is very similar to your own (e.g. Italian).

Anonymous

My TL is Spanish and I’m at about a level 3, i work as a EMT so sometimes I have to speak to some of the patients that can’t speak English, I know what I want to say in my head but I feel like my tongue has a hard time forming the words. How would you recommend overcoming this obstacle?

skabahk

Do you have any plans of interviewing this person who learned through listening? I’m very curious how long it took, how he learned new vocab, what his study time looked like, if he chose an initial domain, etc. Also, what would your current recommendations be for how a listening path should look?

skabahk

If you like chilled out, jazzy, oldies revival type shit, I highly recommend Lamp. I love Lamp. Kirinji's first album is another one of my all time favs, front to back. Cornelius' "Fantasma" is quite a fun ride too, if you like 90's Beck type shit.

Anonymous

Hey Matt, I’m wondering what you might recommend for someone jumping ship from some kanji learning resource like wani kani. If I’ve already “learned” around 1300 kanji, should I restart with something like RTK or the new refold deck, or should I just jump straight into sentence mining with an emphasis on kanji? Thanks

Anonymous

When I'm reviewing a sentence card and don't immediately get the meaning of a word, but after a few seconds of looking at the context and surrounding words figure out what it means and how it's read, is it okay to pass the card or should I fail it since I'm maybe relying too much on context or remembering the sentence as a whole but not the specific word?

Anonymous

Refold is clearly more focused and refined than something like AJATT. Do you think the structured nature of Refold for normal people with busy lives who don’t have all day to focus on their TL all day and only spend maybe up to five or so hours a day makes up for the time spent by someone AJATTing all day? I always thought of AJATT as being unfocused and somewhat chaotic, and spending 24/7 on the language was essentially taking as much time as possible and seeing what sticks. Would like to hear your thoughts on this, thanks!

arec

How long do you recommend someones condensed audio playlist to be for passive immersion. Mine is usually what feels to be too short (4 or 5 condensed anime episodes of intensive content). Or to rephrase the question, when would you consider it to be “too short,” to the point it would be better to add free flow audio in?

Anonymous

Hey Matt, I have foundation of japanese language and I can have basic conversation here and there But my reading and listening ability is off (bad) I know hiragana and katakana and most common kanji propley +300 or so English is my second language Japanese is my third one. My question is I really want to learn japanese and pitch accent as well. Should I learn it through reading (BTW I'm in dogen's course) and I know the fundamental of pitch accent . I need to sound like native How can I learn that from reading Specially pitch accent has/have terrain (I CAN PRODUCE PITCH ACCENT ON INDIVIDUAL WORD ) but I can't neither hear them from native with normal/fast speed nor produce pitch sentences . (I LIKE READING AND I HAVE BOOK CALLED 黒い本) THANKS

Greg St. Angelo

A while ago I found a core 2000 words deck and had this same issue... Didn't really know what to do

Anonymous

What do you think the point of life is? Is it possible to feel satisfied or are we always just trying to fill some unfillable void?

Anonymous

I'm at an advanced level in Spanish (C1 according to the DELE) and every day I write a paragraph or two so that a native can correct my mistakes. To help me remember what I've done wrong, in Anki, I'm putting the incorrect version of what I wrote on the front, and the corrected version by the native on the back. Will making cards this way reinforce my bad habits in the future? If so, how should I make cards for corrections like these?

Diogo Lameiro

Hey Matt! I'd like to hear your thoughts on pausing to read a subtitle before vs after a line is spoken when doing Intensive Immersion. Should only one way be done, or both depending on language proficiency? [You can ignore this one if you'd like, I imagine it might be a subject you don't want to talk about] Another question, how are things with the Yoga going? Do you think you guys will ever patch things up? I'm asking because I just started sentence mining today, and I was looking for a way to get furigana to work properly on my cards, and I basically got redirected to his addons. After grudgingly making a one-time payment to his patreon to get his addons, I gotta say, I'm really impress with what he's done, and how I'm able to sentence mine from Netflix. So, how are things on that front? Thank you for everything, I wish you the best!

Anonymous

What’s up Matt! You mentioned a friend that learned entirely from listening. Can you elaborate on that at all? I’m not ditching Anki or anything, but I’d like to have an idea of what methods they used so I could possibly enhance my own learning.

Anonymous

Matt, (Reading Question, Beginner-Intermediate) . Finding compelling content that is also semi-comprehensible as a beginner seems challenging. Steve Kaufmann says he finds content which is maybe 10% new words. But as a beginner, its hard to find content which is even 50% comprehensible at a beginner level. I was hoping you could share some of your experience with finding compelling content to read, or if we should just read subtitles for now. (Any advice on this thought process would be wonderful). Thank You

Anonymous

Hi so Im relatively new to refold and generally new to Japanese, Ive memorized all of Hiragana and Katakana and I've started through the JP1K deck several days ago. I want to spend around 4+ hours in studying Japanese everyday but after I get finished with anki I still have lots of time, where should I put my time into? does it matter whether I watch anime, read children's books or attempt to listen to Japanese podcasts. I cant really understand anything currently. Where do you think is the most efficient use of my time in whether its watching anime, reading, or listening? Sorry if this is redundant and if someone has already asked a similar question before, thanks

ターコーニス

I'm asking a Q here because the discord #Questions isn't setup yet. I 'finished' RRTK a year ago then fell off the wagon (health issues) and now I'm going to start your new Refold Deck. If I understand correctly, I'm now looking at grading on the meaning and reading of the word itself? What is the reason behind the shift in needing to know the key word of the kanji itself /having to invent little mnemonic stories to help with the kanji keywords? How am I supposed to "Remember the Kanji" if I don't know the radicals and have built up knowledge of their keywords using mnemonics? Seems we are back to looking at the Kanji and seeing a load of squiggles. Thanks for your input.

ターコーニス

Wow this seems pretty alien to me after being on the heisig bandwagon for so long. I'll give it a whirl thanks.

Greg St. Angelo

So, I'm not sure if this is written out somewhere, I vaguely remember seeing or maybe hearing you talk about it but I cannot remember specifics. I was wondering what I should do when a jp1k card becomes a leech. I had a few weeks in a row where I got very minimal immersion time due to work, etc., and decided it would be good to still get in my anki reps whenever I had free time. I have found that I am forgetting words at what appears to be a higher rate than when I had more time actively immersing in the language. Any tips on leeches and approaches to them for jp1k specifically would be ideal but feel free to elaborate on non-jp1k topics if you have the time. Thanks Matt! 😊🇯🇵

Anton de la Fuente

My question is about reviewing monolingual vocabulary cards. Bilingual cards are quick to review because I simply say the "equivalent" english word or two in my head. However, for monolingual cards, should I try to recall the whole monolingual definition in my head? What is your internal thought process when reviewing a monolingual card?

Anonymous

こんにちはマット! In terms of passive emersion, what content would be best to passively immerse with? If language acquisition occurs because of comprehensible input, than wouldn't that make anime and other shows suboptimal to immerse with passively because you are lacking some of the context that is only provided through the visual aspect of that media? Wouldn't this make listening to audiobooks, podcasts, and other such media designed to be consumed without the visual aspect of said media better to passively immerse with because you aren't lacking context? Does it even matter in the early stages of language learning?

Hayden

From Discord: Hey guys or Matt, I got a complicated question. I don't know if this is the right place to post this but let me know if it isn't. Matt has mentioned before that he has a friend who learned Japanese only through listening, and because of this, his friend has developed a great pitch accent and great listening abilities. I think Matt has also said that he developed some bad habits in pitch accent because he was so reading dominant. I am also in the same boat and reached basic fluency in Japanese mainly through reading, and I also feel like I developed some bad habits, especially when it comes to pitch accent and listening. I was wondering if I stopped reading and just did listening for many years would I be able to reverse those bad habits that I gained? Also, would I be able to get the same benefits as someone who started out just listening? In another way of asking do you know anyone who has switched from being reading dominant to being listening dominant and had any success? Lastly, if it's not too much, can you share what your friend's process is like for listening?

Anonymous

Going into my second year of immersion based learning, I was wondering if you could give an outline on how to learn Japanese phonetics. Would it be reasonable to learn maybe one phonetic piece a week (about 20 minutes of study) and listen out for that in my immersion through out that week? I do about 4-5 hours of active immersion a day, am at late stage 2b, and want to have a "near native" accent.

Anton de la Fuente

Do you have any tips for switching over to using target language filler words when speaking? I find that when speaking Japanese, I sometimes subconsciously say things like "um" or "so" when thinking. However, trying to say things like えーと or あのう feels forced and makes me lose focus on what I'm trying to say.

Anonymous

When talking about becoming too reading dominate how can you determine that this has occurred? Specifically when immersing through pure listening, I hear Japanese and picture it’s kanji instead of perhaps a physical image of said word. Does this mean I’ve become too reliant on the written language and not enough on the auditory?

jack

I am sorry for asking this question because I am sure you have answered it a million times, but here it goes. My wife is 1/2 Japanese and her mother's side of the family lives in Japan still and some of them do not speak any English. Her mother moved to America when she was in her twenties. I am learning Japanese mainly so that I can speak with my in-laws. I was studying Japanese for about 5 months and then found Refold and have been doing that for about a month and a half and am about half way done with JP1K and I already knew some vocab and grammar from studying Genki1. I can immerse for about 2 hours a day on top of my anki and would say I am about at the beginning of stage 2. Do you have any advice on the type of immersion I should do? should I focus mainly on shows over reading as it will help my listening comprehension more? And what do you think is a realistic timeline for being able to be able to speak with my extended family? I am not really aiming to be perfect in Japanese I would just like to learn enough to get by and so that I can continue learning by consuming content.

Callum Street

Do you think that one of the barriers to an input based method could be one of the reasons that it hasn't taken off as easily or as quickly as it probably should have. I don't know for sure but for the average person I don't know how you'd sell them on spending time with the language and immersing when not being able to understand much especially when the opposite like opening a phrase book and memorizing them shows instant results (not to say the results will stick or help in the long term)