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Look back in anger w/ Jeremy Gilbert (Patreon)

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Jeremy Gilbert joins me to discuss the news that Oasis have announced that they will be reforming to perform a series of gigs next summer. We discussed the reaction to that news, why 90s nostalgia is so prevalent, and why it was that of the various guitar groups of the time, it was Oasis who became so successful in the mid 1990s.

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Peter Gartside

If, as Jem asserts, britpop was an ideological project, does that imply some agency, and therefore agents, behind it? I understand it suited the bottom line of an ailing music press and rock magazine industry to elevate (white) guitar bands but that doesn't constitute an *ideological* project

Conor McFall

Would love to hear that Sex Pistols show that Jeremy said you’d have to do some time

Roasting Leopard

Now the only question is can we get the reccs Jeremy gives for better bands who Oasis whitewashed over!

Louis Gardiner
>>149676745

Do you mean the music coming out of the black and south Asian communities? I'd say asian dub foundation and massive attack would be the most commercially successful although I think he was more talking about jungle and bangra there so punjab mc and goldie I guess we're the most mainstream artist from that cannon? I'm not entirely sure as I am a 90s child so wasn't old enough for that scene but am always looking for the history of these things so any advance on these is welcome

James A

Big fan of Jeremy's work, and his contributions to this pod. I think, even, I don't substantially disagree with his takes in this episode. And yet I'm left feeling very deflated on this listen. It felt like he was at his most "old man yells at cloud" haha. This is probably partly because the meaning to be extracted from an Oasis reunion in 2024 (and the public response to it) is ultimately itself limited. I would have liked something to grasp onto about newer, radical shoots in modern music culture. It's not as though, indeed, the more interesting and radical music that Oasis distracted or derived from itself only came about as a marker of better and less neoliberal times; it is in its own way a rejection and a despair. Can we not have some musical despair about our present political conjuncture that funnels into something genuinely creative, interesting, or radical?

Emily Dyson

So wounded by Jem's "it was fine" re Pulp

Emily Dyson
>>149703983

Beyond my blind love for Jarvis Cocker, though, it's worth noting that Pulp were pretty explicitly hostile to New Labour and refused Oasis-style cooption

Dilip Harris

I haven’t finished the episode yet but I’m interested in the fact there’s no mention of Oasis’ galvanising of the football terraces…… their rise to fame coincides with the aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster and the dissolution of standing room at football grounds and as such the dissolution of the gangs of violent supporters. In my mind there’s a direct connection between “new Ladism” and “old hooligan”…….

Cheryl

Interesting listen from here in the US, where we were spared the debate (thank God!). To my ear, they always had more in common with arena rock than Britpop so I never took them seriously.

Cheryl
>>149674619

Be interesting to hear a more nuanced discussion of how such a diverse group of bands, including several fronted by women, were all part of the project.

NOK
>>149702735

Came here to say something similar. Really like Jeremy, especially ACFM... and dont like Oasis at all, but this was hilariously miserable.

Greg Marsh

I actually think you can also hear a lot of "She Said, She Said" in Oasis too. Musically though what they absolutely nailed was that wall of noise guitar sound of unsophisticated but tuneful bands from the 1970s. Slade, T-Rex and of course The Sex Pistols. As far as their popularity now is concerned, legacy acts - which Oasis now are I suppose - are what people want to see. I know people that don't even really like Springsteen, the Rolling Stones, etc, but go and see them anyway because it's an Event with Instagram potential. All the young people in my office are they same - it's partly FOMO, but partly because it's an entertainment spend that isn't going on pubs and clubs like earlier generations did.

Lorcan Mullen

proof that ultimately Jem cares more about cool music than hegemony

Clive Hedges
>>149808160

Absolutely, Slade in particular, I think that's why I got mildly caught up with it at first as an oldie, it was nostalgia for my 10 year old self 😄

Clive Hedges

Slightly harsh on the Stone Roses as well I think, if only they'd kept going the way of One Love and Fools Gold instead of trying to be Led Zeppelin they could have been quite danceable?