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Case 180: Bill Payne & Billie-Jean Hayworth (Patreon)

Published:
2021-06-12 07:18:58
Edited:
2025-03-12 18:29:09
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2026-06
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Roy hollered out, sure that somebody must be home. After receiving no response, he ventured down the hallway towards the bedrooms. As he approached the first room, Roy saw what looked like blood near the doorway.

Team:

Anonymous Host - narration

Eileen Ormsby - research, writing

Milly Raso - editing, creative direction

Mike Migas - production, music

Andrew D.B. Joslyn - music

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Comments

Alli Schubert

Can we please get under the skin of some good cases

Jacqui leonard

Oh my goodness, that crime scene description had me in tears. Well done to Casey and team for another wild episode

AR

Fwiw, I knew exactly which case this was from the moment I heard "Tennessee." It's an absolutely bonkers and bizarre case, and I've heard it covered in numerous other podcasts, but there were still so many new details discussed in this episode that it felt like I was hearing about it for the first time. If that's not getting under the skin of a good case then idk what is.

AR

I have to say I'm bothered by you guys straightforwardly promoting polygraphs in this one. As I'm sure you all know, polygraphs don't measure "lies," they sometimes detect anxiety or distress, and can be used to manipulate and distort a case at will -- or, as Charlie from Crimelines said really eloquently in her podcast the other day, "too often they're used or discarded at will... To artificially bolster a case, but then ignored if the results aren't what they want." This is why polygraphs are SO dangerous, and I really want to ask you guys to rethink how you frame them when you bring them up in cases. I know you've been critical of them before but I really hope you can consistently keep from treating them like a positive tool, even when they lead to a positive outcome, because they really really aren't, and they certainly don't actually detect lies. Thank you all as always for all you do!

Kelly Truong

This episode has heavy Mark and John vibes

Bananafish

This is what I subscribe to Casefile for: careful but dramatic narration of unusual and noteworthy cases. Like many others listening, I was already familiar with this case, but Casefile usually manages to bring out new aspects of familiar cases.

Rosie Overell

I knew this case but wow 🤩 you mob have a way of spinning a yarn 🧶 / narrating that reworks the story into something new - well done!

Rosie Overell

I agree w AR - I sort of guessed about a third of the way thru - but new info and framed from a different angle

Laura

This is why I love Casefile. I was pretty far into this episode when I realized, “holy shit this is Jenelle Potter”! Thank you so much for presenting this case in an interesting and informative way that took a well-versed true crime aficionado by surprise. This is my favorite episode in 2021!

Alli Schubert

Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoyed it. I’d just love to hear a meaty 3 parter.

Annie Brod

I am honestly a little embarrassed that I didn't know this case. Amazing storytelling as always. I also feel that it is probably getting harder to cover 'lesser known' cases lately with how huge true crime podcasts are now, with a new one coming out each week. I always love your indepth research, incredible writing, and solid choices in case picks.

Ruka

I'm surprised I seem to be among the few who have never heard of this case before, but boy do I consider myself lucky to have heard it for the first time in Casefiles masterful storytelling. This case is insane, and your execution was perfection! Going to be thinking about this one for a long while...

Maya George

Heavy agree. It’s just so weird. No judgements on anyone but 100% a lot people in this story need therapy

Maya George

Same! I had never heard of it before either. What an absolute case

Maya George

This was a good episode but the story itself was a frustrating listen. I’m not sure why, exactly. That is, there’s nothing I want to take away from the victims and their families. But I definitely feel frustrated after listening to this episode

Joan Moore

This was such a good listen. Such a crazy case and so well told!

Jordan

Bravo! This was excellent, unique, who would imagine the conniving, complex personas in such a small mountain town.

Demi V

I am also in the minority that didn't hear of the case before but I am so glad to learn about it! Thanks, Casefile! It's incredible to think someone who supposedly had such a low IQ could pull off such a hoax and how desperately her computer-illiterate family wanted to believe and protect her. I do feel a bit sad for Jamie because he was clearly manipulated but that only extends to a point since he could have called the police once he figured it out.

Ethan Whish

Another great story, would not want to run into this family 😬

Emma Jeanne

Really enjoyed this episode, and the way it was told in segments and then all came together like wtf. 🙂

Charles Comiskey

Hadn't heard of this case at all so this was new for me. What a bizarre and bonkers story.

Charlotte Simpson

I was actually just thinking about this case just this morning and fancied listening to it again but I couldn't remember any of the names! You've saved my day

Mariya Cassin

What a crazy story ! Well told, Casefile. You guys are so close to the 200th episode, any special plans?

Casefile

Thank you Mariya. None yet!

MM

I’m very confused. Jenelle Patton was the girl murdered on Norfolk Island. Which casefiles did some time ago. But nothing to do with this case. 7 people liked your comment, thus somewhat agreeing with you, so maybe I’m wrong.

Laura

Whoops! I meant Potter. Clearly I am having Casefile comfusion....

Emma Brown

Loved this ep 👏🏼

Annie G

Mark and John has stayed with me for years now. Mind blowing.

Annie G

This is one of those episodes you tell everybody about for weeks afterward. Nice one, Casefile.

Megan

Oooo glad to see Casefile present this case! It’s always been one I shout during because the people involved are so infuriating.

Chris Rodriguez

"if I have to forgive any of you to stay out of hell, well I'll see you there" dopest line of all time

Hiedra

This is one of my favorite cases! I live in Tennessee. People still debate about this case around here.

hotbagels

this one blew me away, one of the best in a while but hard to even say that as this season is soo damn good. going to be sending this to other people. the names seemed familiar but I'd missed whatever doc covered this. astounding.

HelpFind Ajax&Stamp

I think it is because it could all have been stopped by proper moderation of posts, and banning of commenters, but back then the power of social media was unacknowledged.

HelpFind Ajax&Stamp

Wow, good job Casey and team. You keep surprising me with the variety of cases. Just when I think I have heard all about humans being bad, you come along with another mind-blowing example. I simply never expected the girl with the low IQ to be the mastermind but then again, cunning and manipulation are not just the province of the smart. A two year old kid can manipulate. Or should I say, will manipulate!