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šŸ˜”šŸ˜¤ LETā€™S ARGUE! šŸ˜¤šŸ˜” (October 2025 Thread) (Patreon)

Published:
2025-10-09 22:53:45
Edited:
2025-10-19 20:24:34
Imported:
2026-10

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Bumping this for a few more days cause the thread's looking a little light on replies compared to previous ones. If anyone's already submitted a hot take y'all are welcome to cook up another too!

Thank you so much for supporting us this month! Now's that magical time when you hit us with your HOT TAKES, UNPOPULAR OPINIONS, and TOUGH QUESTIONS; drop em down in the comments and we'll look through them all in a couple of weeks. LET'S GO!

In case you missed September's LET'S AGREE: https://www.patreon.com/posts/lets-agree-david-140556343

Comments

Alec Moore

Death has the best discography in metal. While the greats like Sabbath, Metallica, and Maiden have higher peaks, their later work sours their discog as a whole. Meanwhile Death has two of the greatest metal albums of all time in Human and Symbolic, vastly influential work like Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy, and even their worst record (Spiritual Healing imo) is still a solid listen. They were ever evolving in their sound, leading most albums to sound different from the last; a show of how versatile and experimental this band was. Just 7 great albums front to back, no duds. RIP Chuck Schuldiner.

Benjamin Lisboa

There aren't enough artists making political albums, that's why even though Pain to Power is not lyrically deep it's substantial for actually putting word out about political distress.

Clay

How difficult is it today to discover truly talented new artists, who end up drowning in music streaming platforms where they have to emerge among older artists who always repeat the same old tune and new AI groups sponsored by the same platforms?

Snow

TLDR: Death Grips is underwhelming. MC Rideā€™s voice is weak; the group tries too much to be weird; even when the music is actually heavy, it doesnā€™t sound good. I find Death Grips a bit underwhelming. Maybe I let expectations get the better of me, but I went in expecting it to be this massively loud, aggressive, violent, head-crushing, off-the-walls experience. Which it sortof is sometimes, but also likeā€¦ itā€™s not THAT heavy. Aside from the lyrics, which are gloriously unhinged, itā€™s more just weird that hard. Maybe the biggest problem for me is MC Rideā€™s vocals. I think he adequately performs crazy, but also I canā€™t help but feel like his voice itself isnā€™t very powerful. It sounds thin to me, like a piece of sandpaper with all the roughness worn off. Even when heā€™s yelling at the top of his lungs, it lacks the weight to really do any damage. On the instrumental side, a lot of it is kindof just chaotic/abrasive experimental pop. Often detrimentally, in my opinion. From what Iā€™ve heard/seen of them, itā€™s clear they want to make Weird Shitā„¢, and I think on some level they also want to make catchy pop hits, but they seem to actively dislike the type of people who enjoy either (or both) of those things. It feels to me like they spend more time engaging in audience antagonism or trying to be off-putting than they do actually being crazy or unhinged, which in turn limits the ability to simply just enjoy it. Beyond that though, even when the music itself is heavier (e.g. Jenny Death), itā€™s a little too dryā€”but also over-saturated somehowā€”to scratch that itch in my brain. I donā€™t know if itā€™s the recordings or the mix or what, or maybe itā€™s just me, but I think it sounds not good. At least not as good as it could. I donā€™t know. At this point, having listened to most of their output, Iā€™ve somewhat come to terms with what the group actually is and can enjoy some of their stuff (especially when the synths are cool), but I still canā€™t help but feel let down. :(

Herbieguy

Which do you tend to prefer: Short discographies that are consistently good, or long / versatile discographies that have inconsistent quality throughout?

Uncle Jam

Taylor Swift has to collab with one of these artists, which one would be the most fire? Moor Mother, David Tibet, or Uboa?

Gilberto Blyde

Ilmatic by Nas is a 10/10 album? Also, Back to black by Amy winehouse is a 10/10 album?

Justin

u just gotta listen to more music and then more dg bro you'll get there promise

AllOverAgain

I've heard DG and MC Ride's voice described in a lot of ways "weak and underwhelming" is a first šŸ’€

Paul

Taylor is the music equivalent of Mr. Coffee or Black and Decker where sheā€™s a brand name with a shitty product

Paul

Yes. Also, yes.

bressig

Living Colour is one of the most underrated and consistent bands still standing from their Grammy-winning heyday. Although their discography has been scattered over the years, they never fail to drop quality music when they do and it's a shame they didn't maintain the popularity they had in the late 80s/early 90s

null

reaction content is the enshittification of music discourse

Leo

The Rap Top 3 OAT are Kendrick, Nas, Jay Z

Tuck

I understand why you want Classics Week to be an opportunity to talk about culturally significant albums that you wouldnā€™t normally touch upon, but as a long time fan of the channel, Iā€™d much rather watch classic reviews of your hyper-specific personal favoritesā€¦ Like I wanna see you geek out over that weird Threebrain album or whatever the fuck.

BlueZones

I wish ā€œSay Yes to Loveā€ by Perfect Pussy got more love because that album fucking rips.

Krubb

Souvlaki by Slowdrive is one of the most overrated albums ever. Though I do think that ā€˜When the Sun Hitsā€™ is a perfect song, the rest of the album is incredibly boring. This is usually seen by many as the second best shoegaze album ever and I just donā€™t get it. Whereas Loveless still sounds unique today with its lush and intense textures, Souvlaki comes off as very bland in the modern day especially the opener ā€˜Alisonā€™. Sure itā€™s probably influenced some artists over the years with its sound but I think this is an example where the dream pop artists today have expanded that sound so much to the point where Souvlaki just comes off as relic of the past. I think the praise Slowdive gets today should be more towards Mazzy Star because though they have a similar sound, Mazzy Star has the better written lyrics.

patrick

I love Neil Young and firmly believe that he is one of the best and most consistent songwriters ever (plus a great guitarist as well). HOWEVER the fact that heā€™s such a one trick pony in terms of his singing makes listening to him a little easy to get sick of. Its not even that I think heā€™s a BAD singer, but Iā€™m ngl Iā€™ve gotten a couple of headaches from the bastardā€™s unchanging, high register vocal performances

Chris

Iā€™ve been saying this for years

Josh Brown

The discourse around ā€œitā€™s not that deepā€ when consuming or reviewing music has gotten to the point of being obnoxious and gatekeeping, whether itā€™s aimed at Taylor Swift fans who buy 20 vinyl to make a fake clock or Tyler, The Creator chastising fans on twitter for analyzing DTTG. I think most artists want their fans to take their music seriously and engage with it on personal level, yet if you try to do this with ā€œbasicā€ music youā€™re reaching too far. But if youā€™re critical of music that doesnā€™t have deeper meanings then youā€™re pretentious? Itā€™s the opinions that arenā€™t that deep, not the music.

Kyle Cahill

McKinley Dixon makes amazing album but has terrible cover art

ben

People donā€™t pay enough respect to Joanna Newsom for having the balls to remove her music from Spotify many years ago. I donā€™t know why it has taken so long for other indie musicians to do the same as their mistreatment towards artists isnā€™t exactly a new thing.

Ryan I

Of the great albums released on September 24, 1991, The Low End Theory has proven to be more influential on music culture in the past 30+ years than Nevermind.

Maximof_

Kali Uchi's Sincerely album is at least for me a huge album of the year contender thanks to the deluxe tracks that came out recently. It really goes to show this is Kali's most personal and vulnerable album that reminds me of her last 2 projects. All of the good from the Deluxe album is an incredible song paying tribute to her late mother that really touches your heart in a way similar to I.L.Y.S.M.I.H. track

Herbieguy

The titular duck from the "Duck Song" is a piece of shit. Kid's trying to run his lemonade stand in peace and you come up to him every day just to pester and harass him. Leave him alone you god damn bully.

liajuju

Maybe not so controversial, but Chappell really stands out among the pop singers who have recently risen to fame. I love how openly she talks about what's going on in her mind online and how she takes her time to release new, quality music. Everyone seems so eager to constantly put out new musicā€”especially albumsā€”that the quality often gets lost in the process (as we've seen with Sabrina's or Taylor's latest work). Chappell, on the other hand, recently mentioned that she doesn't think she'll release a new record in the next few years. It's refreshing to see an artist prioritize authenticity and quality over quantity.

pannanmotbaren

Zayn Malik has one of the best voices and vocals out of all the male singers out right now. His two first albums had absolutely flawless songwriting, visuals, vocals and Malays production was stellar (although the second album was too long) and i wish youā€™d stop me at the street to ask your worst take so i could bring up your shameful LIGHT 4 RATING of his album debut (an official request for you to please revisit Mind of Mine and try to listen to Icarus Falls). šŸ™ˆ

big fat box of shit

Killswitch Engage was and will always be better with Howard Jones over Jesse Leach

Uncle Jam

I don't know if people are still doing this, and this take was inspired by a lot of the 2010 underground boom bap albums I was listening to at the time, but it's really annoying when people add fake LP static to their songs. It's more of a distraction than it is a flavor, it's up it's own ass, making everybody listen to the same static as opposed to the unique static any specific LP has is functionally pointless, and it would cost me too much to find out if one of those albums was put out on vinyl so I can hear what fake LP static sounds like in real LP static. And it's stupid and I hate it. (Example of what I'm talking about: The album Gas Mask by The Left. A good album but does it on every song iirc)

Caspa

Mike Patton's artistry is alot like a tomato great with in the context of a collective but a challenge to consume by itself

Tuck

Iā€™ve heard him say he had it on CD in the 2000s and Iā€™d assume heā€™s got a soft spot for it

Tuck

Switch Jay for Andre

Tuck

How do you feel about Wesleyā€™s Theory?

Tuck

Not to be that guy but you used titular wrong. The duck himself is the titular duck. The song isnā€™t titular.

Tuck

A lot of great albums in 2025 have badcovers, itā€™s weird

Herbieguy

I'll edit it. You probably saved me from some annoying 'um actually' when the video is made so thanks for catching it.

#1 amo defender

I think Kali Uchis has had the best three album run of this decade so far (Red Moon In Venus to Sincerely,). I find her to be one of the most studied popular musicians working today with how she manages to sound current while pulling from so many classic sounds faithfully. The production on all three records are clean and polished without sounding devoid of human touch, her singing just gets better with every album, and I really like how all three records deal with love and healing in a way that feels more personal than most popular music on the topic. It's not just about how great love and relationships are but how nothing works if you aren't actively working toward being the best version of yourself. She's truly a gem and I can't wait to see what she does next. Beyonce might wind up with the best three album run if she sticks the landing with album number 3 though.

vvo

saying "I don't like the mix" has become somewhat subjected by defenders of an album as a weak response to disliking an album when mixing is a choice made deliberately by artists and those defenders themselves don't realize how much a different mix of maybe one of their fav albums could've affected the way they felt about it.

Drake Parker

I donā€™t think we rag on producer tags enough. Complete laziness in establishing an identity for your beat. No oneā€™s willing to come up with something like Pharrellā€™s 4-step these days

Filip KaÅŗmierczak

Has the new tame impala album put Borderline in perspective for you? You weren't a fan of the song back when Slow Rush came out, I remember liking it then but revisiting it now and comparing to the new singles really made me love it

Kyle Cahill

Would you rather get rid of conservative music or AI music?

Benjamin Lisboa

My take: You should review John Michels Egotrip! The album is back to back fantastic and they deserve way more recognition. A review would do wonders for getting more eyes on an up and coming artist.

Tuck

AI for me, and Iā€™m a progressive

Tuck

Yeah I felt bad but Iā€™d rather it come from me than Mr melon