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SunnydaleClassof99

Man 90's Fincher just hits different. I think part of it is the stories being told: lurid, pulpy & more genre based. That's not all of it though because there's some of that in Zodiac & Dragon Tattoo. There's some secret sauce that makes those early films that much more enjoyable over his later & more award nominated work. Hope everyone has a happy & safe New Year's.

Christopher Mitchell

Happy new year shanelle to you and your family and friends. I can't wait to see what content you have coming up this year. Yes as you read out in one of the trivia, Denzel Washington DID turn down the roll of Dec. Mills in se7en because he thought the script was too demonic and grim but he regretted turning it down, but 3 years later in 1998 he starred in a horror/thriller film called "Fallen" and it's about demonic possession but it's not as grim as se7en. I liked your reaction to the film because se7en is the type of film that will do that to you.

Kevin Charley

"Jodie Foster made me do it." is a reference to John Hinckley Jr., who shot Ronald Reagan in 1981 to impress Jodie Foster.

Richard Flores

So this one time, back when I had the special edition DVD... This one disc had many different commentary audio tracks. Fincher, Freeman, and Pitt. Writers and writing professors. Studio execs and production designers. Then there is this one track about sound and I have to clean the apartment so I put it on thinking it will be background noise. It ended up being just so fascinating hearing them talk about why sound decisions were made. Apartment didn't get cleaned, I was glued to the couch watching this. It is absolutely wild just how well this movie is put together.

Ruff Ruff Roof Roof

Want a good an example of how people can be a serial killer in an apartment building just watch Dahmer on Netflix. That poor lady, living in a house of horrors.

Ashley

That was an intense way to start 2025. I might be a little sleep deprived and hung over after NYE, but settling in for a watch-along was helpful. I think Fincher/Se7en distilled the 90's crime/serial killer genre. I think you can link so many movies from this era and their use of grime dark realities. City streets, rain and street light reflections, talking urban streets and making them unsafe. Silence of the Lambs, Bone Collector Zodiac, Summer Of Sam obviously but I think it styles out to Carlitos Way, American History X, Training Day and I think you could argue this gritty, realism impacts Todd Philips - Joker movie too. I have to also mention 90's Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson music videos as style comparisons. In London we had tales of Jack the Ripper that make the city feel unsafe at night. I think the 90's murder/drama did similar things. Detectives were no longer wearing sharp suits, talking to snitches and femme fatales (LA Confidential, Basic Instinct) but they were getting dirty in the gutters of urban decay. You could probably make a case that these are a reflection and rejection of 80's Reganomics, Miami Vice, Top Gun, glossy USA promo films. This is the ugly truth. Boys In The Hood, Kalifornia, Natural Born Killers.

shanellericcio

INTENSE IS CORRECT!! Your comment is so so lovely I could listen to a dissertaion on this all day. I had a professor in college talk about the influence of culture at the time, on the movies, and sadly he only taught TWO of my lectures before he unexpectedly got sick and had to leave. I literally ALWAYS think about what could've been in that class. I'm so interested in the crux of the Carter/Reagan years. It's all so interesting to me!

shanellericcio

okay yes this is one I'm VERY interested in. I actually miss the physical media and I miss having the time to watch and listen for fun 😂

Ashley

Thank you. I feel honored that my ramblings got read, let along appreciated (blushes). I wish I had a lecturer talk about the subject too. I studied art and we had photography tutor who always tried to equate visual imagery to moments in the movies. Setting projects with prompts about the lighting in The Godfather or the background details of Bladerunner. That was good because it meant we had to watch the movies to understand what he wanted. I think seeing how art is shaped by history and culture is fascinating. The Vietnam war gave us movies like Platoon and Full Metal Jacket (both 10/10 films) about the psychological horror of sending young, unprepared men to war and what the US did to other nations but it also created the rise of the 80's action hero genreaso they tried to make America feel great again after Vietnam with movies like Rambo (literally goes from a run down war vet to a 1 man USA army taking on the Russians), and Rocky IV when Rocky defeated communism. After the Cold War all the enemies in movies became South American drug lords (Iran Contra, anyone?). After 911 you got massive disaster scenes of cities being destroyed and skyscrapers flatten because that was the most significant act of recent history. Then the second gulf war happened with George W and the missing WMD's and you start getting movies like Green Zone, Jarhead. Then on to Bourne Identity films and we hit the era of conspiracies... who can you trust? Conspiracy and anti-trust feeds into some excellent movies by Adam McKay - The Big Short (who was behind the financial crisis in 2008), Don't Look Up (climate crisis misinformation) and his interview today about Wicked being a progressive movie about acceptance and his belief that if politics, media and culture keep pushing to the right that movies like Wicked could be banned in 5 years time for going against the hard-right agendas. Culture has a fascinating impact on the stories we tell and how we tell them.

matt

Se7en is the greatest Batman as a detective movie ever made. Morgan Freeman is Batman, Brad Pitt is Robin, and Kevin Spacey is Joker

Adam Doyle

David Fincher is an amazing director and definitely has a style. Not only Seven and Social Network, but other hits like Fight Club and Zodiac, and some earlier work like The Game* and Panic Room, all are worthy of watches. (*if you enjoy The Game, I highly recommend a follow up watch of The Man Who Knew Too Little, starring Bill Murray, which is a comedic take on the same story.)