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The girlies get to the bottom of an age-old question: what type of woman are you? Normal or ugly? Through an exploration of aesthetic categorization trends, they interrogate the history of categorizing our bodies, choosing our colors, and finding new ways to hate ourselves. They also discuss their on-the-ground experiences at a color analysis studio and Kibbe typing themselves at home. Digressions include a dismal recap of The Debate That Makes You Old and decoding some listener’s dreams.

This episode was produced by Julia Hava and Eliza Mclamb and edited by Allison Hagan. Research assistance from Penelope Spurr. 

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A Color Notation

A Dive into Chinese Colors

American’s Can’t Escape Long-Disproven Body Stereotypes

An Interview with Regina Lee Blaszczyk

Are You a ‘Spring’ or a ‘Winter’? It Could Cost You $500 to Find Out.

Aristotle and Alexander of Aphrodisias on Colour

Color and Consumption

Color and Psychological Functioning

Color Me a Season

Color Symbolism Represented in Buddhist Traditions

Embodying Normalcy: Anthropometry and the Long Arm of William H. Sheldon's Somatotyping Project

Empedocles

First Impressions of Personality Traits from Body Shapes

Goethe on the Psychology of Color and Emotion

How this retro beauty theory became the latest TikTok craze

How to choose the right snacks for your body type

Perkins Mauve: Ancestor of the Organic Chemical Industry

Roger and Me

The Color Revolution 

The Colors That Suit You Are Set for Life — & Here’s How I Found Mine

The David Kibbe Story

The Great Ivy League Nude Posture Photo Scandal

The Industrial Design Reader

The Kibbe Body Type Test

The Laws of Contrast of Color

The Natural History

The Search for One’s True Colors

Theories Of Vision And Color Perception Of Empedocles

What’s Your Body Type?

What’s Your Kibbe Type?

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Lilly Beards

HOUR AND A HALF LONG VIDEO EP???????

Becky

Thank god

Sabrina

I was JUST thinking about how I want to get my colors analyzed omg 😶

Cassie Hudson

They’re really chosen to bless us today

Maya Arrata

OH EM GEEEE!! gotta stop everything im doing for 1 hour 32 minutes and 24 seconds

Poppy Summers

My queens you look gorgina !! Eliza that dark hair EATS

sis and bub

ruth curry: ?? - 2024 sis & bub: 2024 - ?? close enough welcome back ruth curry

Claire

I got stoned before the debate and became very scared and then promptly fell asleep ❤️

Ella Fuller

i’m about to have the most joyous afternoon… thank you julia and eliza <3

Maeve Barnes

ladies u look stunning. NY looks good on u!

mimi kiki

ur kibbe type is beautious girls

Aarya Ghonasgi

Thank god I’m feeling lonely on my first night in a hostel in Prague but now I’ve got THIS

Josefina Troncoso

YESSS RIGHT WHEN I NEED TO WASH THE DISHES (I have to watch something when I wash the dishes otherwise I just won’t.. so this is my cocomelon for people with horrific executive dysfunction)

Kay

I can't wait to watch my favorite parasocial TWINS

Josie

Why did I think the title meant let’s let’s get kibbeh, the traditional Lebanese dish, with our meal😭😭😭

Helen Kellogg

The first sentence made me ROFLMAO

Hope

have had a really really rough week at work (on my 25th birthday week no less! you already know that birthday cry is going to HIT on Friday) and this is exactly what I needed to switch off before I do it all over again tomorrow, thank you always girlies for being there in times of trouble <3

Sarah McIntyre

Omg I get to watch something while I clean my room this is so fun!!!

Cierra H

Need you guys to make a playlist with all the songs of the summer on it. The Binchtopia Soundtrack of the Summmaaaaa

Ritsa

i got my colors done a couple of years ago and am a diagnosed winter (i also did HoC but mine was only like $200??) and unfortunately my girl did cook….. i keep trying to buy warmer toned things bc i love those colors and they unfortunately flop tremendously compared to navy, black, etc (but tbf i also already knew those looked good on me). the one thing though is that i don’t think they know how to work w darker skin tones. maybe i’m just in denial because i LOVE gold jewelry but i feel like she was wrong recommending silver to me and at times got a bit stumped bc im naturally more olive/neutral toned and my skin is brown lol

Aarya Ghonasgi

Also I just met an Austrian man named wolfgang

Ann

Lol one of my friend’s dad owns a snail farm 😭

Virg

Love and peace but can you do a camera angle where we can see both of you bc I’m motion sick with the back and forth

mazie

the stu is ever so cute

mazie

audial AND visual stimuli for my sesh what a day

Audrey

The Ruth Curry loss is major 🙏🏻

Chance Al-Hajji

Omg I’m so excited to watch this with my cat, he loved ur last video episode like he was fully paying attention and taking notes.

Olivia Neal

re: the pregnancy dreams, i feel like having a dream about neglecting a pregnancy or a baby is probably because you're stressing about something you're supposed to be doing. like i have this dream all the time that i'm back in college and i'm about to graduate but i realize i forgot about a class i was enrolled in and never went to it so i failed and can't graduate. and i feel like that's almost a similar feeling of like neglecting something important i was supposed to be doing (i.e. taking care of baby)

Jillian Cuervo

Eliza i got my color analysis done last year and you described my experience EXACTLY. she determined i was a summer when i was really hoping to be an autumn and i still have not accepted silver into my life but it’s a give and take

Sunny

would you guys consider posting the audio as well 🥺🙏🏼 I listen to most podcasts while driving for work. love you guys!

Sydney Sopher

Omg I have the exact same kind of dreams all the time - I often dream that I have a tiny baby and I’m supposed to be looking after it but I just forget or leave it at home or don’t feed it?? It’s my go to stress dream. I think it relates to general anxiety and my worries about being incompetent/not responsible because forgetting about a baby is basically the worst thing a person could do

Victoria Siegel

Wait is anyone else disoriented by the camera flipping back and forth so much

Imogen Squire

My mum took me to get my colours done when I was 18, and I was diagnosed winter (same as Julia) and I was also unsurprised. I love my jewel tones and my silver jewellery, although I do also enjoy wearing an autumnal russet brown/orange sometimes, which is technically forbidden. On the Kibbe stuff, I definitely fall more on the 'kill David Kibbe with hammers' end of the spectrum, despite being a (self typed) soft gamine, which is one of the ones with a less hideous description. I got really obsessed with Kibbe types in recovery from my eating disorder, and it was really just another form of endless body checking. I broadly think all of this introspection surely can't be good for us. Upon relistening to some old eps, you guys talked about 'that girl' aesthetics, and how none of it is about being a kind, honest person but rather about looking clean, althetic and hot. That's my feeling now, that really what's more important than 'dressing your lines' or 'wearing your colours' is being in clothes you can get angry in. All of this stuff just keeps us distracted from real things. I wasted years of my life crying over plates of food and my own body, when I could have been finding out about the world, and experiencing all the joy and richness that nature and life has to offer. Loved the poem at the end

mel

Really interesting how eugenics really make their way into everything. I don’t recall an ep focusing on eugenics although it has certainly been brought up before. If there hasn’t been one maybe a good ep idea? Would love to hear more about eugenic TikTok trends so I can stay the fuck away

Eva Paramo

we need a skincare routine from the both of you, it’s crazy how clear your skin looks 💅

Liv Tambrini

Omg binchies you should look into Ancient People “not being able to see the color blue” or otherwise not setting it apart from other colors. I remember reading about it in middle school.

Nat

can we get the audio only too pls I am in a place of slow internet

brigid

julia im sorry but i cannot believe you didn’t think neon colors existed in nature 😭😭😭

Emily

Let’s not forget when Lizzie McGuire sung yesterday my life was duller now everything's technicolor 🫵

Emily

Please please please post the audio versions of the videos. My internet is too slow to load videos :'(

Sammy

I really agree with Eliza that knowing your colours can help alleviate the pressure of fast fashion trend cycles and simplify the process of shopping by having a filter to find items that will be more timeless on your complexion. Also love the 'experimental' style episode!!

Tara

rest in peace ruth curry 😔 💯

Marlena Goodman

Binchtopia dream interpretation episode!!

Erinn

this is crazy like i knew what you guys look like but seeing you and hearing your voice is combination is quite grounding like wym you aren’t the voices in my head

Emily Hering

peace and love, but the rapid camera cuts back and forth are giving me a wee bit of a headache

Addie Rose

loved the ep! but FYI! “demented” is considered an outdated/derogatory term for people with dementia (sort of like saying retarded to mean intellectual disability) and I feel that throwing that term around is not in the spirit of kindness 😕

Yael

Bruhhh I’m turning 25 this week too and CANNOT handle it I feel u happy birthday though

Sam Haimowitz

I am way too stoned for the combination of the color blindness conversation and the quick camera cuts LOL

Rosalind Foppe

Just got done with my stemstress duties for today and now I get to watch this w a glass of red wine and a joint and a malboro red I love life thank you guys

Chloe Sanger

I am non binary and the autumn colours speak to me when I am feeling less femme even though according to the thing I am a spring! Anyone relate?

ashley

why do i feel personally hurt by the loss of ruth curry

madeline

That blue sweater was made for you Eliza

Bea

Clocking in from Wollongong, Australia! I need Binchy friends in the area <3 <3

Emily Coffey

“I try not to think about the flesh”

blaine

I constantly have dreams about traveling, whether it’s on a train, car, plane, boat I’m always on the GO. And of course I at 28 years old have dreams about being in high school again

eileen

and i love the stu

Clementine

yes! and while we’re on this…lizard people is also a bad term to be throwing around, the “lizard people” in the conspiracy are literally meant to be Jews 💀

Olivia Smidel

Can you please touch on RFK Jr.? I see so many people hyping him up but his past stances are insane and based on conspiracy theories. People really need to know about this and know not to give him their vote.

Erin

The idea of only wearing certain colors is so depressing to me

bug

GREEN IS NOT A CREATIVE COLOR! (don’t hug me I’m scared; time episode)

Marie

sometimes I forget y’all are American, but then you don’t know who Goethe is

Yves_ell

The age old question... Is body tea

Cat Cat

Epic episode

Ani Bagmanian

My uncle can only see black and white!! he a dog fr

maddie haines

i love when yall go stemstress mode

Ray Maxwell

Love yall. It is funny tho how mildly disconcerting it is to see y’all’s beings whilst you chat. So used to the disembodied voices HAHAHA

abby reddy

i love it when julia and eliza speak siempce

lefthandedscorpio

Trumps gonna win and we’re absolutely fucked. I really think people are being far too naive about that. If you’re reading this, please look into Project 2025 and vote wisely this November.

Hannah B

love and light to the binchie who wrote in but could have done without the rat dream hehe

baby.yogurt

if any binchies would be interested I had a super weird dream last night that I have no clue how to interpret......the world was ending/about to end, and I was watching it happen from space, watching the earth fall downwards and away from the sun and moon, over and over. I was too scared to look for too long so I turned to someone next to me (faceless) and put my face in their arm before looking back. then I realized that I was feeling v sleepy and my breathing was slowing, and that if I let myself fall asleep I would die, and the world would finally end for real. so I snapped to attention and decided no, I'm gonna fix this, and I did something to make the earth go back in its place and stopped the apocalypse. distressing!! no idea what this means :)

Hana U

ok but can we talk about the terrorism of those “how to be a girl” books everyone had… this is just a different font of that

d

i’m sitting in a crowded coffee shop right now and i CACKLED at “give him one last butterscotch & push him into the sea”

Erin

Oh wait the videos are only available from now on if we pay for the next tier? Sorry wtf. That's so weird I've never known any other creators patreon to do that. It's just a visual, it's already recorded, it's not like some extra thing like a zoom .. we have to pay more to see you?

The Immaculate Witch Kaitlin Reckord

I feel like this dream could point to how you've decided, perhaps subconsciously, that you want to contribute to a world that has a future. And by contributing to that world you work to bring that future into existence. On the flip side, it could mean that you're holding onto something that it's time to let go of. Would be curious to know which one resonates with you! Lemme know if you feel like it! Dream interpretation is my jam, I love it!

Clementine

I’m a color scientist and can try to summarize this huge body of work. (If there’s historians in the chat I’d love to hear their takes.) Even modern languages vary in color naming—it’s less about seeing the colors (which is hard to verify) but more about amount of color words. At the bare minimum, some languages only name colors as light/dark. And some, like Russian, have separate names for light and dark blue!

Clementine

Some research does show memory is impacted by amount of color words. Russian speakers might be more able to remember the specific shade (light vs dark) of a blue they saw, compared to English speakers. I’m happy to share my sources on any of this.

Liv Tambrini

Yes I love this! Also it’s so dope you’re a color scientist. I’m studying to be a pRoFesSioNaL historian, and I do a lot of work with memory. It’s very interesting how something like language impact how we see the world. 🤍

Natasha K

something I think is interesting about the before and after photos is that in the first you aren’t smiling and in the second you are. if that was natural, cool! But if you were told to/not to smile I wonder if it subconsciously makes you like your colors more?

baby.yogurt

wow thank u so much for your input :) I definitely resonate more with the second thing, I have been really stuck on something in my relationship and it's been hard to let go even tho I rly do want to. think I'm getting there though. ty again !

Verlaine

Wish we could all just wear colors we feel confident in and actually like instead of diagnosing and forcing ourselves into a certain palette because it makes us “look good” to someone else. Seems like another way to enforce the beauty ideal. I was expecting a bit more of a critique of this trend tbh. But loved the ep regardless!

katbebie

I agree! I feel that if they film them just sitting together that would be great. Camera cuts are too much.

Clur

I think Kibbe is a bit silly, but I did find that looking into it helped me understand why I might like the idea of an outfit until it was on my body and everything just looked wrong. Definitely can exacerbate body image issues, but it has stopped me from repeatedly trying to put myself into outfits that I know won’t work on me and then being sad when they don’t.

Talia Rowan

not to be contrarian but I’ve known several podcasts and creators that do this

Erin

Did they always do it or did they initially give it to all patrons and then suddenly change it to only a higher tier?

Ryn C

Okay but the lovely color analysis lady telling you not to laugh because your face is turning red, like what? Are my colors not going to match the shade of red my face turns when I laugh so hard I need my inhaler??? Hello???

Princess Cait

They’ve always had video eps be behind one of the tiers that you pay for… i think they just let this one be free to celebrate the new studio set up + there’s nothing wrong with releasing something for free to promo your Patreon tiers <3

Erin

Oh no sorry I mean it sounds like it's only going to be available to the next tier up from now on. So the $9 one instead of the $5 one

Lydia

I really think Eliza is a soft autumn and not a summer… the before/after photo was clashing

Nora

julia exposing herself for not listening to salt circle when she didn’t know eliza’s aura was orange

Lily Ana Verna

I was shonked that red is the color that looks good on everyone, maybe it depends on the shade of red. I LOVEE to see a red-leaning maroon (not purple maroon) but if I wear a regular red like fire truck red I do in fact look like a clown!

Lily Ana Verna

also omg I wonder if there's any relationship between when your birthday is/your sun sign and the color palette. my bday is early-mid October and I got warm autumn which makes sense... but it doesn't match for Eliza and Julia 🤔

Lily Ana Verna

and WELL YES I do in fact want to kill David Kibbe with hammers!!

Emmaline

i almost never remember dreams and that commenting about the correlation between remembering dreams and dementia is making me spiral

Oli Chau

All the color analysis stuff I've read also had hues to the season. For example: Soft Autumn, True Autumn, Deep Autumn. Eliza maybe you are a Soft Summer and she was forcing you into Deep Summer or whatever

Emily

Right like if it doesn’t change then how does having red cheeks affect ur colours!! Also like I’m going white lol so if u need the natural roots else the colours might be different but also ur colours never change… like surely my colours will be different when I have white hair????

Krystol Wade

I have a hack for doing your color analysis through ChatGPT if anyone is interested and doesn’t want to pay hundreds of $$$. Just take a photo of your natural face in natural light, use the color drop tool to select the colors of each aspect of your face within your phone’s photo edit options, then make little swatches of each color on your face to easily access each color. Once you’ve selected a color you can copy down the hex # of that color. I copied all my hex numbers (eyes, lips, cheeks, forehead, eyebrows, etc) into ChatGPT and asked it for my color analysis and season! It was so fun! I even asked it for a board with all my colors on it and another one with my season palette on it.

Krystol Wade

Then I went another step further and asked it for makeup tone recs and it gave me specifics of undertones that would work well for me, including brands that have good options for my coloring!

Kate

can you guys make your episodes available to download for offline? 🥺 I wanted to save this to watch on a plane but I can’t download!

Olivia

This video had me in stitches. Love seeing y'all's faces

bunbun

In face reading a gummy smile indicates a high/freaky sex drive lol that's why they're always engaged.

lucy h

the reality of what was happenign to u... there were rats... inside ur body

Carlee Knott

Saaame I had a dream about being back in high school and forgetting to do my homework the other night and I'm freshly 29 why 😭

lauren baker

wait so now video episodes will be only on the 2nd patreon tier? :/

lucy h

identifying as an endomorph

Erin

They said from now on they are only for the next level up. Well sorry they didn't even say that in the video or audio they snuck it in the description