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Spiritual Materialism Is My Roman Empire (Patreon)

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**TICKET LINK FOR OUR HALLOWEEN VIRTUAL LIVE SHOW WILL BE POSTED ON PATREON LATER THIS EVENING <3**

In the spirit of the Spirit Season, Eliza brings on religious scholar and bestie Kate Twomey to answer listener-submitted questions about spirituality, enlighten us about the existence of a non-binary Christian God, why some of you want to fuck nuns, and more! Plus, a forward to briefly discuss the Israel-Gaza war. 

Comments

Karlie Morales

I'm in class and cant listen - is live show in LA??? (pls say yes)

Chloe

Bless y’all I’m headed to work rn and need entertainment while I scan files 🥰🥰🥰

✨

I appreciate you taking your time to say something so thoughtful at the beginning. I do not like this trend of bullying people into speaking before they can get their bearings, you're so right that this is exactly the behavior that perpetuates misinformation

boots

this is my 9/11 but good

Haley

kate confirmed fan of the $ boysssss 😎😎😎😎

shif

thank you for your words at the beginning <3 i really appreciate you both

maddie haines

time to stream salt circle and cry!

Luteal Swan

Wait I wanna hear Kate talk about possessions more

pangea

Yessss we need the 5 episode kate x eliza series !!

Selah Judge

Please shoot the shit in the spring!! ✨ and yes on more spooky possessions.

hannah

live virtual Halloween show you say……

Luteal Swan

Okay just finished. Beautiful and wise conversation, thank you both for your vulnerability and hope to hear more from Kate again someday :)

Christy Robertson

thank you for your words at the beginning beautiful binchies ! it feels very odd to be going through life as usual, knowing all the while there’s an ethnic cleansing taking place in palestine. it helps knowing others are following the situation and don’t know what to do either. for any UK binchies there are pro-palestine protests in most major cities happening every saturday, if like me, you feel the need to do something, anything, you can 🇵🇸 you can also donate to palestinian medical funds 🫡

Christy Robertson
>>120026004

also thank you binchinas for you, and your gorg friends, supplying us with quality listening to distract from the horrors of late stage capitalism 💘💘💘

Courtenay Schembri Gray
>>120026004

As a fellow Brit, I donated to Medical Aid for Palestinians. There were a few protests the other day, but I emailed my local MP to pressure the government.

Abby

I really loved what you said at the beginning. Although I don’t totally agree it was eloquently put and a good message. I know you both kinda hinted this was the last you’d speak on it, I am very curious to hear more from Julia and her thoughts on Israel as a Jewish homeland, and what this means to her as a jew in the diaspora. Love you both

Amanda

The binchies want to hear from Gav

Hannah

If y’all don’t want to do a full episode on Israel/Palestine I completely understand, however I would be lying if I said I wasn’t wondering what Gav is thinking these days Edit to be super clear bc I don’t want to delete the convo: I only meant this to express interest in a historical background if and only if everyone wanted to do that. I also wrote this comment before the more critical (and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way) comments came in. Binchtopia is all about lively debate, however I wouldn’t have suggested bringing a family member in if I’d seen that first.

Kaileen!

Eliza x Kate & Julia x Allegra binchie bestie miniserieses 🙏

Julianna

I was never expecting you guys to do an informative episode on the genocide. I think some of our calls for you all to speak on this have been misinterpreted. It is not your job to educate us. I want the people who I love and trust and who’s media I pay for and consume religiously to condemn the crimes of Israel. I don’t think you can make the argument of “not everyone agrees with their government” when talking about a colonial power (Israel), because these people have not lived in Israel for generations and generations but rather made an active choice to colonize the land. Zionism has always had this intention, to force and wipe out the native population. This is evident in many early Zionist writings before they started to propagandize their narrative to make it more palatable to the masses. I feel really disappointed in this neutral stance you are taking. This is a genocide. In addition Julia, I think depending on the western media news is ignorant when monitoring an issue like this. Our country is extremely pro-Israel and the narrative in all our of news sources is inaccurate at best and blatant lies at the worst. Turning to social media, or rather new alternative sources of information that are often accessed through social media, is often the best access we have to the truth. For anyone interested in learning more I recommend the account Eye on Palestine and the book 100 Years War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi. I am a medical student in Cuba and have many Palestinian classmates and am also sharing information daily and would be happy to share more resources / talk with any of the binchies who want to learn more or talk about this. I think posting about it and talking about it is important, especially as Americans/Europeans/members of the “West”, it is the only power we have to fight against the misinformation and wide support of ethnic cleansing happening right now. My name is Julianna, any binchies feel free to reach out to me at @badapplegoodegg or @julianna.lucas on Instagram. I will also say I follow @stefkaufman who appeared on one of your episodes and she has been posting a lot of important analysis/conversation about the colonization and brutal apartheid on Palestine. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Binchies who have been loud about this please keep it up. 🇵🇸❤️

Cayley Wright
>>120038966

i completely agree. to say anything other than that they unequivocally stand with palestine is unacceptable. it feels so milquetoast. they’ve donated funds to abortion funds when roe v wade was overturned, and other social issues in the US and nothing for palestine. the more i think about it the more this “statement” upsets me.

Researcher
>>120032883

What if he is pro Israel? Would this community be able to agree to disagree without hating on Gav and writing him off forever?

Alex Lohr

loving the $B representation 😌

Hannah
>>120032883

I don’t know, not everyone who supports Israel as a state approves of the occupation or the Israeli government’s response to it. Even if Gav has more or less the same views as Julia I understand not wanting to have that convo publicly with your parent, for their relatives and colleagues who may feel very differently, to hear.

sloane

i never expected a full episode, but i don't love the neutral stance you guys are taking on this issue. while i agree pausing to self-educate and reflect is good, to do that and come to the conclusion that 'all violence is bad' is a disappointment. staying informed by following american corporate news is not at all reliable in this moment, and although i know you didnt specify which news sources you follow generally saying "the news" is what that implies to me. this is genocide, to stand with palestinians in death but not in resistance is not the stance we need to be taking as people who value justice and liberation. it ignores the literal decades of nonviolent actions palestinians have engaged in, and now after 75 years of occupation you look at people struggling for liberation and say you decry violence? i appreciate the sentiments you did extend in terms of solidarity, but your solidarity means little if it's conditional when people actually resist.

Ese

if i’m honest, i think eliza and julia’s words at the beginning of the episode were very disappointing and wishy-washy and i expected better from such intelligent individuals who consistently produce such well informed and compassionate content. western news organisations are just mouthpieces of the state and are heavily biased towards israel and are actively dehumanising palestinians and legitimising the ongoing mass killings in gaza (as well as the constant injustice in the west bank). encouraging people to stay off social media is a de facto way of ensuring people miss stories from palestinians showing what is actually going on in gaza right now and how much they’re suffering. highlighting that a lot of israelis don’t agree with the government ignores that for decades civilian settlers have taken an active role in this colonialism by stealing and building settlements on palestinian land with full government backing and protection. stating that you don’t believe palestinians deserve to live under occupation without condemning the past and ongoing violent settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing that produced the state of israel in the first place and causes palestinians to live under apartheid today (and is responsible for the current situation) doesn’t really mean anything. ultimately, i was really expecting more from both of you, especially since you’ve hosted fundraisers in the past and routinely suggest articles and other literature to read, which would be helpful at this time. from the river to sea palestine will be free🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸 (and it’s our obligation as western allies to do more than take a neutral stance).

Natalia Gevara

I also would never expect a full episode, though I still support you guys, this statement felt very “both sidesy” to me. What is happening is settler colonialism, calling it an “occupation” isn’t enough.

Nadia Lem

Thought the take at the beginning was really respectful of people directly impacted by the situation– in all honesty don't think we should be expecting takes from absolutely everyone on social media. Proudly love nuance on this pod <3

Nora Vincent-Braun

I do think it is reasonable to expect people we respect and financially support to take a strong stance against genocide. Turning to traditional forms of media is incredibly dangerous, as we have seen time and time again that western media is pro-colonization and very biased, in this case, towards Israel. I caution you and all binchies against staying off social media. Viewing the effects of war is painful, but we NEED to bare witness. “The news” is not covering the truth. A 6 year old boy was stabbed to death in the US because of pro-Israel propaganda. The US media is not a reliable source. While it’s understandable to want to have a firm stance before you share your position, the people of Gaza are being massacred. I agree that it may not be your place to create a full episode but the issue is not nearly as complex as Western media likes to portray, it’s genocide. it’s occupation. It’s atrocious. Israel is committing war crimes. Julia, I genuinely hope you do not experience antisemitism in regards to this, and I can imagine that as a Jewish woman you feel conflicted. Loss of life is horrible and painful, including loss of Israeli civilian life. That said It is not an equal war. I wouldn’t even call it an “asymmetrical war”. It is genocide. It is ethnic cleansing. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

Brett
>>120038966

beautifully put. this has been bothering me all day and i was hoping i would see stuff like this in the comments. you’re right that we didn’t need to be educated by them about this but they absolutely should have condemned israel’s crimes.

Nora Vincent-Braun
>>120050750

I also want to add, we are calling you in because we respect and look up to you both, not to bully you into taking a stance. It’s abhorrent that people even have to take a stance against genocide. I can only imagine how uncomfortable it is to be a public figure at this time but discomfort is necessary for change. Please use your platform. Please do better. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

Brett

others have said this but i truly don’t think that just staying updated on news in palestine through western media is productive. it goes against all boomers have taught us about not believing everything we see online, but social media is truly the only place that i’ve seen personal, firsthand accounts of what palestinians are experiencing. the only things i have seen in “the news” are propaganda frankly. the president himself has spread blatant disinformation skewed towards israeli interests, so we should all have a healthy dose of skepticism in reading any mainstream reporting about this. the intro to this episode was disappointing and genuinely very surprising to me as a devout binchie. you two were the last people i would imagine to have such a flimsy stance on a genocide like this. i would encourage you two to look at less conventional sources of information about this and come up with an actual stance, which is hopefully that you fully condemn israel and their genocide/ethnic cleansing of palestine. and, for good measure, from the river to the sea palestine will be free.

M

Not Patreon getting a face lift

Ellie Jessee

So disappointing to hear the unwillingness to take a stance and actually stay informed on this obvious genocide, especially from people who are “leftist”. Social media can be overwhelming, but having actually solid sources that aren’t CNN or typical news outlets is crucial. It’s so privileged to turn it off and ignore the severity of what is actually happening because it isn’t something that directly effects you. What’s going on is black and white. Hearing this take from people that have been notoriously leftist is truly disappointing and quite frankly confusing. Hoping the stance isn’t Zionist. The pod previously did not placate both sides on issues like BLM or or Roe V Wade. How is this genocide any different?

Hannah

Wanted to share some Gazan journalists I’ve been following to keep up with what is happening on the ground. I am someone who has a pretty consistent and serious news diet but corporate coverage has not come even close to what they have shared over the last week. Here are the journalists. Warning that their coverage includes very graphic images of the devastation in Gaza. If it is not too triggering, the least they ask is that we bear witness: @motaz_azaiza @byplestia @wizard_bisan1 Other resources: @jewishvoiceforpeace @ifnotnoworg (Both have local chapters as well) @theimeu @sbeih.jpeg @breakingthesilenceisrael @anat.international @eye.on.palestine For students looking to get involved, your school might have a Students for Justice in Palestine chapter (same with Jewish Voice for Peace) but I couldn’t find a main SJP page that wasn’t Sarah Jessica Parker 🫣

Researcher
>>120032883

Seems like a lot of people in this community just want a pound of flesh. They’re already berating Julia and Eliza for not firmly taking the side they are on. Even threatening to pull financial support because the girls admitted they’re not experts on the topic and just want peace. I can’t even imagine what they would say/do to Gav and Julia if they don’t parrot what they want them to say. I think they are being smart by admitting they don’t know everything and limiting discussing it.

Grace Lohim

This was a real treat, thanks for all the reminders Kate and Eliza ☺️

Natalia Gevara
>>120032883

There’s nothing unreasonable about not wanting to give money to people who won’t condemn genocide and settler colonialism. I’m not upset at what they have said so far, but I do agree with others that it could’ve been better. It’s completely reasonable for people to not want to hear from someone who supports a settler colonial state. There is no neutrality when you’re dealing with oppression of marginalized people, there is a reason why it’s considered abhorrent to look back at slavery and say “well, there were two sides to this.” That’s how you sound, and history will show that like it always does.

Roni

Damn I would love to hear another episode where you guys just shoot the shit & dive into whatever topics come up, this was such an interesting episode! I wish I could have asked this when originally prompted, but *Kate if you do another ep, do you have any words of wisdom for those grieving a sudden loss? Or do you yourself take comfort in anything specific when it comes to dying? I just learned a friend of mine lost her battle with cancer yesterday and I might be spiraling a bit. I have very little religious background, & sometimes…right now especially, I envy the comfort that faith seems to provide.

Eurydice

VERY interested in the prospective ghost episode !! Please 🙏🏼

iva
>>120049248

ITS OUR OBLIGATION AS WESTERN ALLIES TO DO MORE THAN TAKE A NEUTRAL STANCE! really well said!

iva

US citizens: call your representatives every day, it is starting to impact the number of congress people speaking out - say you agree with the UN, which is calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. 🇵🇸

Researcher
>>120032883

You have the right to vote with your dollars and leave, however, you do not have the right to force influencers and their family members to speak in favor of the side you are on.

Hannah
>>120032883

To be clear i’m not insisting that they all share their views in depth, just expressing interest in hearing Gav’s perspective as a historical expert IF and only if everyone involved wants to (and there are a lot of valid reasons to not want to)

Emily Bruns

I feel like a lot of folks missed the message at the beginning...this is hundreds and hundreds of years of history that we are talking about and sometimes the most respectful thing to do is leave room to elevate voices who really understand/know the predicament. I do not think they were taking a neutral stance, but rather I think that both of them understand this is an issue WAY bigger than a fucking patreon episode/instagram post. Also this ep was definitely pre-recorded ... like we all need to take a deep breath and realize that we should not expect commentary from everyone, especially if they are not experts on the topic. It is a LOT for us to expect them to make an ep and possibly further spread misinformation. They are literally 20something y/o without deep and comprehensive knowledge abt this. It honestly would be a slap in the face if they hit us with an ep claiming to be experts on this. We should not be expecting commentary from everyone and anyone.

Nora Vincent-Braun
>>120032883

I don’t think people are berating Julia and Eliza. We also aren’t turning to them for information, we are asking them to be informed. We are simply asking them to do better, to explicitly condemn genocide rather than be “neutral.” Silence, or neutrality, is taking the side of the oppressor. Is the violence of the status quo, or settler colonialism, peace? There cannot be peace without liberation. I do also want to say that it is completely reasonable to pull financial support when a person or organization no longer aligns with one’s values. (All of that said, I agree that a Julia Gav episode on this topic is not necessarily a good idea at this time. )

abby reddy

kate is so smart and well spoken!! thank you for coming on the pod kate hoping for another episode with u <3

Julianna
>>120051879

Yes x 100. Social media is the only way we can remotely access the true horrors. It’s insane how news and mass media is blatantly lying and painting a false narrative. So disappointing that they are not taking a stronger stance on this. From the river to the sea 🇵🇸🖤

Julianna
>>120038966

Me too Cayley. Keep talking about this and sharing. We are doing all that we can. 😞 I hope Julia and Eliza and other binchies read and learn from our comments. I feel so powerless. This is devastating.

Julianna
>>120038966

Absolutely Brett. So so disappointing. I am so distraught by this absolutely catastrophic genocide. Keep sharing and talk about Palestine 🇵🇸.

lactose intolerance

If y’all want to support Palestinians right now, i recommend getting involved with your local organizations. A lot of universities have Students for Justice in Palestine chapters and many cities have Palestinian Youth Movement chapters as well.

scorpio vvitch

i’m genuinely really shocked by this. “this is not something we can do a whole episode on” but why? you guys had no issues discussing active sociopolitical controversies? you had no issue discussing abortion rights amidst roe v. wade, or BLM despite neither of you being black, or speaking on trans rights and deaths AGAIN despite neither of you being trans. so this does seem genuinely very anti-arab and weird. as an egyptian immigrant i no longer feel comfortable supporting this pod. i don’t know how so called leftists feel satisfied taking no stance on this, and instead of using your HUGE platform to spread awareness like you’re always advocating for in literally every other situation… but when it comes to dead arab children it’s real quiet! hope you can reflect on this and why you feel so comfortable turning a blind eye to apartheid, racial injustice, and genocide. we have literal video evidence of israeli presidents, pms, idf soldiers, and other officials calling arabs subhuman and declaring a war on EVERY INNOCENT CIVILIAN. not just hamas. but the over 50% population of children. these children are writing their wills. but please tell me how recording a podcast won’t help anything. im truly disgusted by the both of you. and y’all get on your high horses coming at the red scare girls and dirtbag left but hey at least they weren’t cowards and actually did discuss it. but keep hiding under the guise of “good little leftists” it’s very clear you couldn’t be farther.

scorpio vvitch
>>120012796

except for the fact that the internet provides you with all the worlds knowledge for you to do you independent research and verify sources. is that too hard for you guys or do you just not give a fuck about dead children when they’re arab?

scorpio vvitch
>>120032883

nobody is forcing them. they gave their statement, people are rightfully disappointed and therefore some (like myself) might not want to continue supporting people who take a neutral side amidst apartheid and genocide

gracie wirkkie

I originally made a comment chiming in about the disappointment I felt about the intro message but to be fair, I’ve seen that since the ep came out Eliza has been reposting more free palestine posts/posts calling it genocide so that’s cool thank u bb for recognizing that

Emily

I love y’all ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Emily
>>120012796

Julia has spoken about this before, I recall that she spoke against the occupation of Palestine literally years ago. If you don’t want to support them then don’t! But directing your anger about Israel toward a couple of podcasters is not doing anything. If you don’t want to support them financially then don’t. There are more and less productive ways to support Palestine, I’m sure you’re doing proactive stuff on the ground, but this is not productive. If you think speaking about this on a podcast will make a tangible difference, grab a mate, record an ep. Everyone agrees, genocide is bad. It’s horrific, it’s the worst of humanity. I’m sorry you’re hurting.

Researcher
>>120067699

The children that were killed are absolutely innocent civilians! How can you say that? Children, regardless of which side, are innocent and mourning their loss is a normal response! How dare you!

Researcher
>>120032883

They absolutely are berating. You need to reread the comments & look up the definition of “berate”.

tabby mcewen

I hate to add any negativity - and maybe i’m in the minority here but the tone of these comments is so unreasonable. just because you pay for the patreon doesn’t mean you’re entitled to julia & eliza’s views, should dictate what content they create or that their views should totally reflect your own. And god forbid any of you meet someone with actually conflicting views. though i also want justice for Palestine, is this really the place to vent your frustrations? I hope you are all contacting your local government with as much vim

✨
>>120067699

I am truly shocked to hear you express disappointment that people be somber and respectful at the loss of life of civilians and children. Believing in decolonization does not mean you can just flip a switch in your body and turn off the heartache felt for all collateral damage of political violence.

Stina Olsson

They both said several times that they want the Palestinian people to be free. That is not a neutral statement. You may not agree with them on their stance regarding Israeli civilians, you may think that those people deserved to die and you are entitled to that belief, but I do think there are many people out there who sympathize with dead civilians on both sides and still want to support Palestine.

✨
>>120012796

If you want people to be educated like you say you do, do you think just yelling at them helps? I agree with your stance - Palestine must be free, occupation and genocide is obviously extreme and disgusting and it is hypocritical to criticize the resistance. Personally, I don't feel that leaving a bit of space to be respectful of all innocent life lost is the same as criticizing Palestinian resistance. Necessity and inevitability does not magically make violence easy to stomach. There is undeniably a lot of history here and a LOT of noise. It is difficult to sort through. I am fucking working on it, and they clearly are too.

Ellie Jessee
>>120062011

A lot of these comments are saying that we do not expect a whole episode or a deep dive into the history of how horribly the Palestinians have been treated. A simple remark saying “we stand with Palestine” would have done. No one has to be a historian or an expert to recognize this.

Emily

Hearing Kate speak is very soothing for my brain 😌

ssteph

couldn’t really get past the statement at the beginning. did not have the binchtopia girls both sidesing a genocide on my bingo card. much to consider…..

ssteph

like i’m shocked and deeply disappointed that there weren’t at least resources and links to donate to shared here. and before anyone comes at me with “why do you expect two 20somethings podcast hosts to solve geopolitical issues??” i don’t but they’ve shared resources and donation links, as well as directly donated some of the money from patreon to things like BLM and abortion rights. the binchtopia audience skews young and i’m sure there are so many binchies who don’t understand this and don’t know where to start. it’s just icky to me to have this platform, speak out about similar things, and then say “educate yourself” about this without providing any resources.

ssteph
>>120073404

decolonizepalestine.com helped me understand the issue quite a lot, and i’ve found the reporting from al jazeera and msnbc to be the least biased and propaganda-y btw. i’ve also donated to medical aid for palestinians by recommendation from someone i trust on the issue (map.org.uk to donate)

kate
>>120064121

what else can they really add though… everything that has been said, has been said before. i think the entitlement you have for these two girls is absolutely ridiculous. you are not owed an episode about something the girls have literally said their still gathering thoughts about. this happened last week. things are STILL happening. the war is not over. your emotions are valid, you are allowed to be angry at the deaths of innocent civilians due to corrupt government, but what you’re not allowed to do is INSULT people. stop thinking you’re owed something from Eliza and Julia.

Hannah
>>120068724

Agreed, I thought it was pretty clear from what they said that they support justice for Palestine that I didn’t even realize they didn’t say it explicitly until I read the comments. They specified that’s it was not balanced, which is not the strongest possible language but clearly backs Palestine? While I personally have been calling it a genocide for days now I understand not wanting to make such a declaration publicly to a wide audience. Maybe that’s weak of me, i don’t know. I noticed a lot more people were comfortable calling it a genocide last night when the hospital was bombed, I want to have grace for the fact that a LOT changed attitude wise in the hours since this was posted

scorpio vvitch
>>120064121

literally anything. this issue is so controversial and divisive, so to have two huge podcasters make an episode dedicated to just educating people a little … is not that hard. esp considering they’ve done it amidst every other sociopolitical issue, when tensions were even higher in our own country. and not even that, but what’s worse is julia telling people to stay off social media. right now the only, and most important thing we can do is spread awareness and learn what’s happening on the ground there. and she wants us to not look at social media…. why? so we don’t see even more IDF propaganda? so we don’t see the hundreds of dead children? maybe because julia hasn’t been on her phone it’s easy for her to dismiss what’s going on, but that’s not my reality. i immigrated from the middle east bc my country was war torn, and received asylum for being an ethnoreligious minority. i have friends in palestine, school teachers who have been digging in the rubbles looking for their children. my mother is constantly on the phone w my relatives making sure they’re safe and okay. we haven’t gotten a single second of rest or peace. don’t call me entitled or tell me i’m rude. i don’t give a single fuck. there are over 600 dead palestinian children. either speak up about it or you are on the side of the oppressors.

scorpio vvitch
>>120073404

exactly like eveeyone is literally gaslighting us rn like the whole point of this podcast isn’t specifically to raise awareness and educate fellow leftists on issues LOLLL. but we’re somehow crazy for expecting these girls to idk… not support genocide and apartheid?

scorpio vvitch
>>120073231

pls delete your membership and i’m so serious about that. don’t support two white girls who in the face of 600 dead children turned around and said “yeah there’s nothing we can say it’s really sad on both sides” …. y’all don’t deserve a penny lmao

scorpio vvitch
>>120069556

except that refusing to do an episode on this, and speaking ab it for a total of 5 minutes only to say “it’s sad but we can’t really say or do anything” …. that’s not supporting palestine like in any way. it’s actually really really sick to dedicate such little time to speaking about an issue that has over 600 children dead. but they don’t wanna do an episode about it. right.

scorpio vvitch
>>120068724

i’ve seen my friends who are school teachers in palestine digging through rubble looking for their students. forgive me if i no longer want to support two white girls who gave a max of 5 minutes to speak about the racial apartheid and genocide happening to my people.

scorpio vvitch
>>120066099

eliza’s the only one tho. and that’s not really saying shit when these girls gave 5 mins to talk about a genocide… but have hours upon hours talking about abortion rights, trans rights, BLM, jewish oppression, etc. but it’s so hard for y’all to do a little research when your followers are literally feeding you so many sources and information.

mimi

For those who've asked for a historically-informed perspective (gav on the pod etc.), TrueAnon's newest ep from monday is an hour long convo with a Palestinian scholar/anti-colonial activist based in Jerusalem and it's incredibly historically thorough, give it a listen 🇵🇸

Josefina Troncoso
>>120058984

sending love ♥️ it’s really tough when this happens. I have a friend who had an extremely rare heart cancer but passed away from transplant complications like a week after receiving her PhD offer. I am also not religious so found it hard to find spiritual comfort, but if it helps my friend (and I) was a medievalist, and some poets, scholars and mystics like Julian of Norwich have really beautiful insights on life and what comes after - so I hung onto that.

ssteph
>>120075286

this is the exact type of rec i was hoping for thank you!!! will be listening

Stina Olsson
>>120069556

In one way I do agree with you, I do think they could have at least shared links to Palestinian human rights organisations, like they usually do. Was just about to respond to myself here and add that I do find that criticism very valid. However, I do think they are being sincere when they say they don’t feel confident that they will be able to research this subject enough to do an episode on it. To me it would have been enough if they encouraged people to donate to human rights organizations (and other things such as putting pressure on the governments to stop supporting the Israel regime), as I said I think that is something a lot of people want to do regardless of what they think of Hamas/whether they sympathize with Israeli civilians or not, bc of course the Palestinian people should be freed nevertheless. The reason I think that would be enough is, as I said, the fact that I do think they are really being sincere when they say the don’t feel confident in their ability to make a good enough episode on it.

Dan

Are we with or against the oppressor here??? Im having a hard time moving past the beginning. The news has been spreading an unbelievable amount of false information. It is a huge privilege to just stay off social media &away from what’s really happening. Thank you, Eliza, for saying you’re keeping up with people on the ground. Soooo much important history is being made right now!!! But this whole acknowledgement of loss on both sides & “people all over” that are suffering is not it for me. Let’s not take any ounce of neutrality. Yes, this is clearly much more than an asymmetrical “war”. It’s a full on genocide. Are we with or against the oppressor???

Sydney Olthoff

while i am disappointed with the lack of depth in this statement, we cannot expect two americans to have the perfect, most educated view on the conflict that you choose them to have. while they could have shared many resources, and there is still time for them to do so, so much has already been said. we could have been directed to others who speak from a more educated and personal place. disappointed in the statement but also in the response

johanna

i understand the frustration at a soundingly neutral stance (although i don’t believe it to be), but i think it’s important to consider that eliza and julia, while celebrities who definitely hold broadcasting power, can’t just churn out an episode at the drop of a hat about a conflict spanning over decades. and, against the advice of twitter, it’s okay to mourn the loss of babies and children in israel as well as palestine, while also knowing that palestine is the victim of decades of oppression. yes, it would have been great to provide some resources to donate/educate to palestine. but eliza even said in the beginning that we shouldn’t be waiting from other people in media to take a stance. in the same breath, she also detailed that the war waging against palestinians was an asymmetric war. her word choice may have been frustrating, but it was well-meaning and well-placed.

KE
>>120058984

highly recommend reading/listening to anything feat Alula Arthur! she’s a death doula

Christy Robertson
>>120012796

look, i understand that what’s going on is devastating and the level of anger right now is justifiably huge, but not towards eliza and julia. they’ve done what they’re able to do. they’ve stood on the side of palestine and from the way you’re talking it’s like they’ve sided with israel ? please consider putting some of this energy and anger towards western governments who are perpetuating this myth created by israel, not two 20 something girlies with a podcast. they don’t owe you any more than this

Luteal Swan

Julia and Eliza are not experts on geopolitical matters……they shared their views and I don’t get why people expect so much from them, especially when they outright said they support Palestine. The entitlement from people is actually getting ridiculous. They’re not politicians it’s a podcast lol

KE
>>120079342

I’m so disappointed in these comments. It would be nice to see discussion about the content of the episode.

Christy Robertson
>>120012796

also kinda just proving eliza’s point of it being an inappropriate focus to being looking for comment from unqualified people. there’s enough information out there and we should be looking to palestine for information at this time.

slizzarddd
>>120067699

I’m sorry but I am very very pro Palestine and I find this line - “yet sympathize with Israeli deaths— settlers and colonialists are not innocent civilians” an INSANE take- are you not a settler yourself?!

Jo

Am i losing my mind or did they say “occupation and asymmtrical war is wrong” and “Palestinean people should not be under occupation”. Did you not hear that? While it was brief, it clearly condemned the Israeli government’s actions (past and present). I think some of these comments need to temper the expectations of what types of statements they should expect from normal, everyday people who do not have PhDs or activist backgrounds.

Luteal Swan
>>120079342

Maybe with Gav because he’s a historian, but the average person is not an expert on the Israeli- Palestinian conflict, and I do not agree with bullying people into taking a stance when they’ve said all they could/ needed to say. Demanding people say more than what they really know how to, can perpetuate misinformation. They support freeing Palestine and we should focus on that. More fighting on top of the world fighting will never create peace and understanding

sloane
>>120079342

lol i expect more bc they openly acknowledged their tax dollars go to funding this genocide but can't bring themselves to say more than 5 minutes worth of empathizing with both sides of an apartheid regime. theyre not politicians but that didnt stop them from speaking on roe v wade, healthcare, cop city, the ukraine war, etc etc etc. i love this pod but this was a bad take, and as ppl who make their money talking theyre going to get this kind of feedback when they can't denounce a genocidal regime without qualifying it w a demonization of the resistance movement.

Callie Sokoloski

Noticed that Eliza just updated her IG story clarifying her comments if anyone is interested in reading that

Katie

soooo confused as to how you guys are getting “we are neutral and support genocide” from that statement?? the human beings on both sides of this genocide are allowed to feel grief and pain over their loss of life. it is absolutely a full on genocide AND YET the civilians on both sides are allowed to feel grief. you bitches really do hate nuance and it’s very sad!! free palestine and free your minds from whatever infographics y’all are getting your stance from!!

✨
>>120079926

Full agree, finally had to give it a full listen like 3 times over because the reactions were so at odds with what I remembered hearing from them.

EB

these comments are actually insane

Katie
>>120069556

they have the intellect and maturity to recognize that they are not qualified to make a whole episode on it! they said that there are plenty of other scholars who have published educational material on the genocide. knowing when to speak on something and when to differ to others who are more qualified is important. feel free to seek other resources, binchtopia has never claimed to be an all-knowing scholarly source on historical conflicts or anything else on that matter!

becky

very disappointed in the beginning statement tbh. to spend so much time doing in depth research on leftist issues and being self proclaimed leftists but abjectly failing to denounce genocide and call it what it is is laughable. if you can spend so much time researching other topics, why can’t you do enough research to be able to confidently call genocide and ethnic cleansing by its name. really really really disappointed in both of you. you aren’t the allies you claim to be.

steverella

just wanted to chime in and send love to u guys 💗 i thought your statement was good and am really surprised by some of the comments here. i agree about taking time to comment (or to not comment) and leaving it to people who know more - and not pretending we know everything about the long long history. much love x

Dan

Eliza posted a clarifying statement on her Instagram story! I appreciate hearing that you are not neutral &condemn the actions of the Israeli government! I think that clear statement is what a lot of us were hoping to hear in this episode

Ryene Sanders
>>120079342

wait when did they openly acknowledge where their tax dollars go to? (Genuinely asking this!)

Katie
>>120064121

while I too wish that the girls had provided more resources and information for supporting palestine in their statement, unfortunately it is important to remember that it is entirely their choice what they podcast and speak about. it is their prerogative to discuss the issues that they feel they are qualified in discussing, and their prerogative in choosing not to dive deeply into issues that they are not deeply educated on themselves. we as an audience are not entitled to any content on any issue, at the end of the day. it sounds like you are correct, and that this is not the podcast for you, and that’s okay! i hope you find one that better fits your needs.

emily middleton
>>120079342

i agree i wish there were more comments on the actual episode because it was really interesting.

becky
>>120080462

but why in her IG story is she claiming the issue is us misinterpreting her, rather than the reality of the situation, which is she was called out for taking a half assed stance of condemning genocide. i’m grateful that she’s now deciding to call it what it is, but I feel her post is making us seem like the bad guys for holding her and julia accountable…

Josefina Troncoso
>>120079342

I don’t think anyone actually expects them to be experts or to make a full episode detailing what we should know through our own independent research. It just felt like a bit of an empty statement considering the amount of work, solidarity and passion they’ve put into raising awareness of and showing their stance wrt other causes

Ryene Sanders

I fully think y’all briefly touching on such a major issue (that doesn’t have anything to do with the topic of this regular episode) kinda diminishes the importance and message you could truly send to your listeners…y’all have done the research and work for other topics (BLM comes to mind) then shared all those resources and while yes it is not your job to like DO that i think for this issue it would’ve been a good idea But on that note there’s so many good links in the comments I hope everyone takes the time to fully inform themselves and doesn’t just rely on two girls to do everything for them

becky
>>120079342

they make a living from being vocal and opinionated left wing commentators but we aren’t supposed to hold them accountable and expect them to condemn genocide and ethnic cleansing? right…..

Ava Gamble

Sure Julia and Eliza’s statement could have been improved in a lot of ways (I.e. taking a firmer stance against Israeli apartheid) but is this comment section really the best place to air out your frustrations? Would a full length podcast from two American white women really be the most productive media for us to consume rn? I think their response was appropriate in terms of the experiences and knowledge they possess. Pls redirect your energy towards people who ACTUALLY sympathize with genocide. There are plenty of them but they are clearly not Julia and Eliza.

EB
>>120081063

fr!!! multiple things can be true at once and these comments are just…. not getting that

Ryene Sanders
>>120079342

Answering my own question after a relisten I believe Eliza was referring to AMERICAN tax dollars going to Israel…not their specific tax dollars yanno

lainey

while I appreciate Eliza’s ig story making her stance clear, I’m still disappointed that this was what they chose to say initially. Their opinions on virtually every other sociopolitical issue are crystal clear, so the fact that this statement is being “misinterpreted” (eye roll) speaks to how weak it is, not to a fault with the audience.

Natalia Gevara

I wanted to share some more thoughts in response to Eliza’s post. I understand you didn’t at all mean for it to come across as being neutral. But it’s things like calling it the “Israel-Gaza war.” Gaza is not a country. They have no military. They have no army. It is a strip of land considered one of the most densely populated places in the world. This is not a war, it is an assault by one of the most powerful armies in the world on a group of people who can hardly defend themselves. I also agree that sharing resources would’ve been a good idea too, especially to Palestinian creators who have spent every minute talking about what’s happening. And then acknowledging that Israel is a settler colony, that have engaged in the ethnic cleansing of an indigenous population — which is the sole cause of what is happening right now.

sloane
>>120079342

theyre americans so it's literally the same thing, israel gets nearly $4 billion a year from the states

Areej Khan
>>120083137

Yeah now that I think about it .. I agree. Like why is it so hard to make a hard stance against genocide…

Luteal Swan
>>120079342

Okay but people here have to pay taxes if they have a job or they get in trouble with the IRS so like we’re not trying to contribute to genocide. It’s the powers at be that orchestrate all of this evil, our duty as civilians is to fight the good fight and I believe that is done by leading with love+educating kindly

Haven Biddix

holy shit i want to be kate when i grow up (i’m literally only like 3 years younger than them)

Olive

I think many people are feeling powerless as we watch what's happening in Gaza and a lot of that energy is getting redirected to demanding statements from favorite podcasts, brands, our schools, etc. But frankly, its not productive and seems like yet another way to make an apartheid and genocide happening across the world about ourselves and the things we like/associate with. Donate, call your reps, protest if you can, and be on the lookout for ways to make yourself useful.

Dan
>>120082386

I think the frustrations are directly related to their words and are from fans who care about them. Not to attack them, but as an opportunity to understand different perspectives. I think hard conversations happening with every day people are really important right now

sloane
>>120079342

leading with love & educating is great, but this statement did zero education &, again, offered empathy to both side of an apartheid regime. not *trying* to contribute to genocide but knowing youre doing so is even more of a reason to speak out & do something materially impactful ie share resources & fundraise as theyve done in the past.

Dan
>>120084644

I don’t know that anyone was demanding a statement but simply reacting to the one they made. I believe hard conversations like this aren’t attacking them but simply offering perspective and feedback as fans &supporters

Jazz

I’m sorry but is everyone just being purposely dense? They both state unequivocally that the occupation should end, that the abuses against Palestinians have been horrific and ongoing for decades, and that this is an asymmetrical war mostly impacting children. I’m not sure why people are upset that they didn’t give resources when 1) Eliza has been sharing resources via her Instagram for a week and 2) likely anything they would have shared IS being shared by millions of ppl on ur social media feeds. Eliza and Julia are not here to hold your hand through this moment and provide you with education and resources. We’re adults we can do that ourselves. I personally do not look toward podcasts, no matter how much I love them and learn from them, to be my guide to my own personal activism. I am an adult with critical thinking skills and knowledge of how to navigate these issues. (Plus Palestinians online are literally telling you how to help, so maybe listen to THEM) Mind you, as a Jewish woman Julia is in a very precarious position speaking out like this. She’s talked openly about the antisemitism she’s faced and to speak against Israel right now, as a Jewish person, is very dangerous. So I ask: what do you all want? If it’s education on the war and history of the region, Google is literally free. If it’s condemnation of what’s happening, they gave it. If it’s resources, those are being shared nonstop on every platform. I’m not sure what is meant to be accomplished here by demanding a better condemnation (especially when I believe their statement was fine). It seems as though it’s to make YOU feel better which is so counterproductive

Larissa
>>120067699

Exactly, couldn’t agree with you more. the complete and utter lack of acknowledgment to human life is insane. You can support Palestine AND mourn the innocent lives lost at the hands of Hamas. The two can exist simultaneously. What’s more ironic about all these people screaming about settler colonialism is that majority of us are settlers as well. Do y’all not recognize this??

Celeste
>>120081063

People expect everyone to comment on everything exactly how they want as soon as they want it done, and they aren’t being nice about it either! Damn

Dan

I don’t see anyone’s comments here as an attack on the binchies but just honest feedback and perspectives in support of these girls we love. These hard conversations are really important right now &I am glad everyone is being open, honest &mature. Just had to add that as a separate comment!

Roni
>>120058984

Thank you both I will definitely look into Julian of Norwich & Alula Arthur ♥️

Emily

some of y'all need to stop taking your anger out on Julia and Eliza

Sam Haimowitz

these comments are hurting my Jewish binchie rat brain </3

Samaah
>>120083137

And I think the expectations of people with platforms are clear, and if it isn’t please let me clear it up! We are not asking you to speak on behalf of Palestinians, we are asking you to publicly stand with us.

Jazz
>>120083137

If you felt that was unclear before I’m just not sure you were listening, honestly.

Dan
>>120087293

But also I don’t want to tone police anyone as frustration &anger are justified & my initial reaction to this was a lot of frustration. It was hard to hear anything less than undoubted support to freeing Palestine, to hear any words of neutrality. Classically, to be neutral is to be on the side of the oppressor. But we’re all learning &growing here

ashley

is the neutrality in the room with us. i feel like both eliza and julia very clearly both said they were pro-palestine?? “i feel strongly that occupation in asymmetrical war is wrong and the fact is that the israeli government is and has been committing atrocities in gaza for decades”. “i stand with eliza in that palestinian people should not be under occupation”. they just took the time to acknowledge that there was tragic loss of life on both sides and that they think it’s crucial to take time to absorb information. it’s NUANCE and saying that acknowledgement of the loss of life during war on both sides is wishy-washy is not the leftist hot take you think it is

ashley
>>120090193

also??? eliza literally said she was taking cues from journalists on the ground. idk where ppl are getting that she’s only reading western media.

Emily
>>120087686

clarifying that anger & grief is more than valid (as J/E said). we SHOULD feel those things. but perhaps the binchies are not the correct people to take those emotions out on

sloane
>>120090193

@sbeih.jpg on instagram is a palestinian content creator and they have several videos (a couple posted on october 11 and a couple on october 9, for ease of finding them) talking about why this kind of pro-palestine anti-resistance anti-hamas take is unhelpful. preaching nuance & nonviolence to an occupied people & those in solidarity w them is not the leftist hot take you think it is.

EB
>>120090193

getting your takes from creators and infographics on instagram is not the activism you think it is. this situation IS nuanced whether you want to believe that or not

Luteal Swan
>>120079342

Regarding the empathy on both sides comment, innocent people dying is tragic despite where they are from. I cannot believe that is a radical concept to people.

Luteal Swan
>>120090193

If all of your sources are just Instagram that is also not the activism you think it is. It’s pretty bold of people to hold them to such high standards when tapping thru stories is the bare minimum of intaking info

ashley
>>120090193

thanks for sharing and i actually follow that creator already! i guess i disagree that their stance was neutral in the first place and that any ounce of nuance is both-sidesing the situation

sloane
>>120090193

lmfao i dont have a voice rn because ive been protesting. i am not just 'tapping thru instagram stories' and if i had any disposable income at all it would be going to the funds for on the ground orgs, but i don't. you know who does have funds and a big platform which they've had no issue using for advocate purposes before? and have built an audience around supporting feminist and progressive movements? take a guess

sloane
>>120090193

it's not that nuanced, it's 75 years of ethnic cleansing leading to this moment of strategic resistance from an open air prison (whose population is 50% children mind you) with no other methods left available to them. what nuance needs to be added to that equation?

EB
>>120090193

this conflict did not start 75 years ago lol. this has been a point of contention for centuries. saying it’s not that nuanced when historians have been debating the nuances forever is kinda simplistic and a very western view of the issue

EB
>>120090193

also like… what is a paid subscription to a podcast if not disposable income

Josefina Troncoso
>>120087293

Yeah same, absolutely same. I ended up accidentally deleting my comment when I wanted to edit, but I wanted to echo this sentiment - a lot of these comments have been really helpful in reconciling our frustrations with the fact that the girls did not take a weak or even neutral stance. I also didn’t know how to articulate this, but I expected this to be extra complicated for Julia - I still don’t; a comment below this one did, but I wanted to acknowledge that being in her particular spot and not being as extremely vocal as some would expect doesn’t mean she condones any violence whatsoever. Everyone’s emotions are justified but I think coming back to this and reading some more comments has been really helpful *personally*. 🫂

sara

not tm on eliza & julia but kinda surprised that some comments are acting like asking for people to speak out, people with a big platform esp where political commentary takes place often is an insane thing to ask for 😹 nobody is asking eliza & julia to liberate palestine singlehandedly but times like this are not a great time to be apolitical (not insinuating thats what they were intending) & i dont think the comments are out of pocket for asking for a clearer opinion. everyone should be speaking out, & louder if anything

EB
>>120098325

but they did speak out lmao these comments are insane because they are DEMANDING that they speak out in a way that they personally agree with

JengleBellz

Y’all vaguely mention the great resources and people on the ground and then proceed to name and link …. nothing …. No donation links, no reading list. Why is this the ONE issue thats “too complicated”?

sloane
>>120090193

lmao u know quite literally nothing about me or my finances, when i tell you i don't have disposable income it is not your job to try and fucking audit me. the debates you're referring to are between zionists (those in favour of settler colonialism, whatever their justification) and palestinians and those in solidarity w them speaking about the nakba(s), ethnic cleansing, etc. you can go back centuries if you want, but what is most pertinent in this moment is the last 75 years of zionist occupation. u can talk about the nuances, the different religions for whom this is a holy and important region, and different claims of indigeneity to the land, etc etc etc. but at the end of the day one of those groups has been facing ongoing ethnic cleansing, occupation, and apartheid, and another has been imposing it. that should be a pretty open and shut case.

Rebecca

As a Jewish woman frequently engaging with her own family to explain the gravity of the Israeli apartheid state and the long term damage of conflating Judaism with Zionism, I wound highly recommend “The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine” by Rashid Khalidi to everyone in the comments. It’s very clear and comprehensive. Julia and Eliza y’all should check out the book too! Maybe wouldn’t call it the “Israel-Gaza” war if you did.

JengleBellz
>>120098325

~lex-,I think it’s more so that they position themselves as leftists, have built fanbases and monetary careers off of that image, and then pulled a “both sides” on a genocide. To me, reminding everyone of the Israelis and calling for “peace” is very much giving “All Lives Matter” and white people telling black people how to protest in 2020. A leftist would not “both sides” a genocide, those ideals are simply incompatible

Hannah
>>120098325

Seriously, I am beginning to think the only statement some commenters would accept is one they wrote themselves and had the binchies co-sign. And even then other commenters would still have problems with it. That is also not to dismiss the feedback and call-ins people have left on this post.

KE
>>120099224

well do you have social media? there’s plenty to look at there. I don’t really understand this logic when what you’re asking for is perfectly accessible elsewhere.

cloche

The girls' call for us to inform ourselves is good. In my opinion, this not only includes bearing witness to the collective punishment happening in Gaza, but also trying to understand the geopolitical realities and the motivations of major players in this decade long conflict (e.g., do you really believe Palestinians, especially queer ppl and women, would be free under a Hammas regime, supported by Iran, if that were to end Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories?). I also think it's fair to not feel equipped to make an episode about this topic. From all the anger in the comments, it seems to me people don't just want an informative episode, but an episode mirroring exactly what they are thinking and feeling. If people are already mad about an empathetic stance towards the suffering caused by the death of civilian Jewish people by an organisation that declares themselves to be anti semitic, I can sympathise why one wouldn't want to make a whole episode.

JengleBellz
>>120099224

I’m not saying I’m unable to look for these resources for myself, I am lucky to be educated on this topic without social media. I’m saying this is half assed and is pandering to shut up the people telling Julia and Eliza “their silence speaks volumes.” I THINK that if they are going to vaguely mention resources, the least they could do is link them otherwise I think it would’ve been better if they stayed quiet rather then burst their manufactured and and selective “leftism”

Hannah
>>120083137

I agrée with the point of this but I think it’s disingenuous not to mention that Eliza also said she also may not have been clear. Not everyone is in a place of unlearning where the harshest possible language will be effective and it’s a difficult line to walk. No matter how they chose what to say, people will understand it differently based on the communities they are a part of.

KE
>>120099224

I really didn’t get the vibe that they were doing it just to shut people up.

KE
>>120102604

exactly. it’s a contentious topic and even if they had a guest on or something, people would STILL be mad that they didn’t say this or that.

Valeria Reynosa

not y’all in the comments proving “Bitches hate nuance” right

EB
>>120098325

they simply did not “both sides” a genocide lmao. their statement was very clear. if you’re this committed to misunderstanding them and so convinced that they are complicit in genocide, why are you here????

Gabrielle Greco

PLEEEEEASE BE WAFFLE HOUSE LANA FOR HALLOWEEN

AlgaeeQueen

this ep is giving illusion pod i love it

hero

thought i was adjusting to college and leaving my bestie and handling it all ok but the last 15 mins grabbed me by the THROAT omg i really am missing that soul connection right now. i have faith i’ll find it again one day but it’s hard rn. glad u guys had me reflecting on my relationships anyways

Kals

This comment section is giving “LOUD NOISES”

Brittany Grendler

You all are actually bloodthirsty and sooooooo strange for calling a father to the podium of his daughter’s soapbox. They were clear in their message, it just wasn’t the same canva base template y’all wanted. It was thoughtful and honest while acknowledging the reality of the situation and actually holding space for those actively enduring it. If it bothered you so much then unsubscribe. You’re a consumer with fiscal power. Or better yet, donate to Palestinian resistance! So hard to see two people very clearly doing their best get ripped on by their “fans”.

Katie
>>120112675

literally took the words out of my mouth. so good and trueeee

Alex

American binchies: Jewish Voices for Peace has an easy to use "call now" feature on their website, with a script, for us to contact our representatives to urge them to call for a ceasefire immediately in Gaza. https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/. As Americans, from what I understand, voicing our dissent is one of the most politically valuable things we can do right now. Our fucking clueless politicians think we WANT our tax dollars to fund the obliteration of Gaza. Polls show the majority of Americans support sending $$ and weapons to Israel. We have to be loud, and it's really urgent right now.

JengleBellz
>>120098325

My difference of opinion isn’t a “commitment to misunderstanding.” I think the girls telling us to think of innocent Israelis and calling for us to “pray for peace” is this events version of saying All Lives Matter/“guysss pls just protest nicely like MLK 🥹🥹” after George Floyd was murdered in 2020. I am here because I don’t find this response to genocide very leftist, even though these girls call themselves that. I am also here because one of the points of this podcast and forum is to have discussions, not create an echo-chamber 😌 My opinion that they have an unclear stance doesn’t mean I think theyre perpetuating genocide, but they’re not above criticism and push-back when they are being ideologically inconsistent

madison 💐

my car mileage just rolled over to 111777 as soon as yall started talking about spiritual materialism ✨

Isabelle Webber
>>120086103

Thank you for saying this... stating that Palestinians deserve freedom is not a neutral stance!

Zoe
>>120069556

Have u considered that as a Jew Julia is likely grieving? That she might personally know people in Israel? This is such a dehumanizing comment to make

Zoe
>>120064121

Have you considered that as a Jew Julia might just want time to grieve? And might personally know people in Israel? This is such a dehumanizing comment to make. Maybe Julia doesn’t want to comment on it because she is mourning? Cut her some slack PLEASE they are humans not robots

Vanessa Rae

Here to say aside from everything happening with the beginning statement, I very much enjoyed Kate’s presence on the pod

Brooke

I just wanna provide some context for what many American Jews (at least for me) are feeling right now. At least for me, almost EVERY other Jewish person I know is posting the most insane pro-Israeli propaganda on instagram and hasn’t the slightest clue about the reality of the occupation, and therefore has no capacity to understand why this moment is truly genocidal and horrendous. I feel horrified that so many fellow Jews are unwilling to face the reality of the situation but I also know they have been fed sooooo much Israeli propaganda from a very young age. We are literally taught as kids in Hebrew school that Jewish identity is intricately tied to the Israeli state and that the Holocaust + centuries of persecution necessitate the need for a homeland in order to survive as a people (and the high amount of antisemitism today perpetuates this idea). The Israeli propaganda machine works well to get Jews to come visit Israel and feel a strong personal as well as moral connection to supporting it. It takes ALOT of unlearning to be able to disentangle all of that deeply engrained early education from the truth about Israel and the occupation, and its also complex and challenging to reconstruct a Jewish identity outside of that connection to Israel. I am still working on it, and I am dealing with having the most frustrating conversations with so many people around me, and having to mute/unfollow people on instagram. I’m just going to imagine that Julia is facing similar quandaries right now and extend her some grace in this moment. Being a Jew in this moment is complicated and those of us who do not support Israel’s occupation or this clear genocide are working to figure out how to best use our voices. Love to all my binchies out there and to Eliza and Julia 💕

Brooke
>>120124560

Also, IfNotNow is another great organization led by Jews organizing against the occupation! They are doing phone banking and lots of organizing across different cities ❤️

Ese

wow. western people (especially americans) are so so individualistic, i’m begging you to understand that not everything is an attack. as members of a community we should hold each other accountable and guide each other. i think it’s fair that so many of us are disappointed that eliza and julia gave a such a basic ‘statement’ on genocide and violent settler colonialism that lacked the nuance and care they usually give (which is so so important right now). especially since they’ve previously provided multiple links to donate to abortion funds and places to access birth control and they donated a portion of patreon earnings to the marsha p johnson foundation for black history month. so personally, i don’t think it was unreasonable to hope for something similar.

ez
>>120081275

you dickriding for israel in the comments of everyone who’s upset at their very both-sideist statement is actually more insane. sorry!

Ese
>>120102604

damn it’s almost like history has proved time and time again that it’s almost impossible for social rights to progress when you’re constantly fighting to fulfil your basic needs and western leaders do everything they can to replace reasonable and seculars leaders that they actually perceive as a threat with corrupt fundamentalist ones.

myfriendshannon

i understand neither of you are experts in this - i also understand you are not experts in reproductive rights, labor movements, etc but we all love to listen to you talk about all kinds of topics. i find it a bit odd and off-putting how much of the beginning section was focused on obliquely talking about how you feel it’s incorrect or wrong for your audience to ask you to discuss israel’s assault on gaza. just surprising and a bit alienating given how openly you discuss other social and political issues. still a listener and i appreciate all the comments of people discussing this here. at the end of the day spending this much time discussing two american podcasters is similarly myopic. i feel so deeply for the palestinian people being ousted from their homes and traumatized every minute. What is happening is just so sad

Lauren Fanger

I just wanna say that I think it’s okay if you didn’t like Julia and Eliza’s comments about Israel and Palestine, just give constructive criticism. They are both smart women who are open to dialogue and are more than willing to own up when they’ve screwed up! They’ve done it before and I’m sure they’ll do it again. Let us try to not assume the worst in each other right now, I know that it’s so so easy.

A G

Kinda wild to expect a well-researched, highly articulate podcast and corresponding stances from people on an actively developing conflict that has gone on (in this current rendition) for less than two weeks. I’m sure these podcasts take a while to research, and as this situation develops there are plenty of chances to put your foot in your mouth if you jump the gun. A brief statement should suffice because these girls are not political thought leaders and deserve time to process what’s happening without being put on the spot to make the perfect statement. It’s hard enough right now to verify the scale of the atrocities being committed (massive vs supermassive) and waiting for international trusted sources to then share with others isn’t a bad approach. Being pro-Palestine is certainly a good take, but expecting more than a “take” at this stage is barking up the wrong tree. We are watching the news unfold around us day by day, why do we suddenly look to j&e to digest and teach it back to us? Can you not see with your eyes what is happening and the coverage it has garnered? Wanting your fav to be unproblematic is understandable, but this is too much y’all.

Ayanna Sloan

I think I, like many other commenters initially felt really frustrated hearing the statement at the beginning of this ep. I want to echo what many people have said already and remind everyone that this podcast has never been politically neutral and Eliza and Julia have created entire careers built on creating a staunchly leftist fan base. So although I think the pressure for them to “make a statement” is somewhat misguided (bc like how many more White Americans do we really need to chime in on anything?) I don’t think it’s unreasonable for ppl to expect them to stay consistent with the ideology that is so foundational to the pod.

Brittany Grendler
>>120129997

And you presume they don’t share in that feeling of deep concern for the Palestinian people? You fail to acknowledge that American reproductive rights and labor movements are both things that by nature of them simply being born in America they have more individual and primary experience in than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Ya know, being two people who have never lived there? Anyone can validly say what they will about Americans being so individualistic in their stances, meanwhile people tune into this podcast because why? They’re two individuals we enjoy. Who also speak on larger ideas, theories and events than could ever be a singular experience. You tune in, grant celebrity and your dollars to these people because you like to listen to THEIR personal takes when they mirror or guide yours. However when those are not verbatim reflected it’s time to put a stake in the ground and proclaim moral superiority. Not to mention the fact that they literally said they do not believe in the Israeli occupation, but alas people hear what they want.

Lucia M

I think it’s unrealistic to expect Julia and Eliza to digest the genocide we are experiencing in real time and then explain it back to us. I wish they could’ve listed some orgs they’ve been following, on the ground reporters, any good activists they’ve been listening to bc I’ve been looking for as many as possible to follow. Or just encouraged us to share resources in the comments. (Or acknowledge the bombings in Gaza and not release pod episodes this week.) But considering that our president just enthusiastically endorsed genocide, maybe it’s a risky time to name yourself as an enemy of the state on a public platform. Personally, I’m not going to listen to episodes this week bc I’m not in the same headspace. I’ve been watching children die on my phone. Sorry for typing this long comment about something that really doesn’t matter compared to genocide. I guess I just needed to feel like I could explain something when I am witnessing a horror beyond what I thought possible emerge and watch my president & tax dollars endorse it. For that, I have no explanation.

Brittany Grendler
>>120087989

Sending all of the Jewish and Palestinian binchies love. Individuals can never be productively called on to answer for governments. Especially those not occupying positions of power in the government at all.

Natalia Gevara
>>120144466

I heavily relate to this. I agree that their statement was weak, but I’m not angry with them. But the idea of listening to any episodes right now is just too much while everything else is happening. I can’t find it in me to focus on anything else.

iva

I believe it is wild to label yourself as a leftist social political commentary podcast and then when there’s social political events say “we don’t know how to talk about these things”. This is your JOB and you have put yourself in this position. Also I don’t understand why other current political events (Ukraine war) got an episode, with some you even invited a professional to talk about the issue (abortion ep). You could have easily invited an academic/activist to talk about this, I bet many would be THRILLED by getting to reach such a huge number of people

Celeste
>>120124560

I don’t know how helpful this is but it’s a really good resource nonetheless. There’s a documentary by Anna Baltzer called “Life in Occupied Palestine”. She is an American Jewish woman who was also did not see the occupation for what it was/is, and after hearing stories of the oppression of the Palestinian people and not really believing them, she went to research for herself. It’s a very good watch, and it’s available on YouTube. I know there are some minds that can’t be changed but this may atleast provide some common group for some of your relative/friends. Not meaning to over step :)

Shaelan Donovan
>>120154508

I am asking this question in good faith: have the girls ever labeled themselves as a leftist podcast? Their Patreon description says "Binchtopia is a cultural commentary podcast hosted by the Gen Z Aristotle and Socrates, Julia Hava and Eliza McLamb." The girls have leftist politics personally (Eliza moreso than Julia, imo) but I would like to know if they have ever labeled the podcast as such because I haven't seen it if so.

Shaelan Donovan
>>120154508

For anyone who is interested in hearing an explicitly leftist perspective on the genocide and Palestinian liberation, I highly recommend the Trillbilly Workers Party episode from Oct 12 (#312).

Brooke

Also, this was the most loveliest/meaningful episode and please please please do more things w Kate!!! ❣️

kato

The self righteous libs in the comments are literally foaming at the mouth for you to reaffirm their exact thoughts on the matter…why won’t you do it 😩

Amber Litwiller

Thank you for answering my question!! Also loved this ep so meaningful and heartfelt 🤍

Lily

Love u girlies . But this war happening rn is not as complex as you guys made it seem ! Obviously civilians dying at the hands of the government is an atrocity but like hello ???? I feel that there is a very clear right and wrong here. And there has been for the past 80 years. I’m really sad and disappointed in you guys! White women do better (with love)

Lily

Also again with soooo much love and admiration, Eliza, stop posting ab ur tour for like one second.. people are dying!

Katie
>>120196857

what on earth is not posting about her tour going to do for ppl??? i’m sorry but at some point we all still need to live life because stopping our day to day activities to virtue signal isn’t going to do a damn thing.

Katie
>>120196857

you can absolutely still live your life, and take action to spread awareness and support the Palestinian people.

Lily
>>120196857

Well that would be one thing if they were actually spreading awareness and not making the most vague comment on it. I just find it a bit sickening that people who have built their entire career off being leftists who care are acting so disconnected from this! Just a personal opinion❤️

Maddy

I meant to comment on this one.... This is the best episode yet !!!! Please please show Kate "Time" by G-Jones

Natalia Gevara
>>120165074

“Self righteous libs” I just know you don’t talk to a single indigenous person 😂 most of the criticism is very constructive and reasonable

Kiana Pattni

do we know kates zodiac sign

Krib

eliza you are such a QUEEN!! love ur mind

julz

i went to barnard so id frequent the uts library a lot!!! sometimes id walk around uts and hear the singing and organ playing, it brought me so much joy and peace

Leana
>>120196692

White women do better (not with love but with urgency)

Leana

Eliza and Julia could have spent more time on this issue and provided more resources like earlier comments said. I also want to say, white people act as if “nuance” is the most intellectual and morally upstanding thing you could possibly uphold when the topic in question is genocide. Like saying “bitches hate nuance” while usually true and funny, in this instance feels like a lazy way to make a non-statement statement about people that are rightfully passionate and angry about what’s happening in gaza and calling for people with a platform to do more. It really makes me question what nuance people have to offer about the occupation. Like please, enlighten me with your nuanced and groundbreaking takes about violence on both sides when we all know you haven’t done any research and having a moderate “nuanced” take shields you from having to do that work that makes you uncomfortable or is just inconvenient. How privileged. If bitches hate nuance, then white western bitches hate collective responsibility.

Leana
>>120165074

I just know you’re white. Some things aren’t about being self-righteous to have the right opinion or be intellectually superior. Sometimes it’s about what’s morally correct and what we owe to other people as humans, especially if we have a platform to use our voices.

Leana

Lol I thought most of the comments I read that said they were disappointed are just that. people are allowed to be disappointed and voice that. people are allowed to say what they would have hoped for and why. I see very little bullying or attacking for them not making the correct statements. I don’t know why people are acting like it’s an attack on julia and eliza or bitches hate nuance, be so fucking forreal. Stop upholding white women fragility.

Shania Davis

Just learned I loooveee chalky foods too

kato
>>120165074

I JUST KNOWWW both of you need to get fucked really good…loosen up….relax…then realize 2 LA girls in their mid 20s can’t create peace in the middle east

Meja!

Cool episode! Though on the Marx quote, look up the full quote because “the opiate of the masses” is not a condemnation of religion, he is recognizing the social and spiritual need for religion and he’s coming from an understanding of “opium as medicine” not as dangerous drug

Parima

I think a lot of the shortcomings I and others felt about the initial statement on Palestine also reflects the shortcomings I felt about the Marxxinista episode (failure to distinguish violence of the oppressed from the violence of the oppressor). I know that’s something you guys have mentioned you want to revisit, so I’m excited to see where that journey takes you! And I don’t think pointing out those shortcomings means anyone is “foaming at the mouth”. Other than that, I loved loved loved this conversation with Kate. Gave me so much to think about.

Sam Miranda

anyone know how to separate intuition from anxious thought? lmfao if I listened to my gut I would quit my job, never drive a car again, and move half way across the globe xxx

Jess
>>120196857

I’m sorry but they have not “built their entire career of being leftists who care” that is so reductive. I’m not personally satisfied with their statement either, but I understand that they may stray from my ideal perception of them and they have every right to do so. Stop putting them on a pedestal to be your guiding light. There are other places to focus our energy

Lily
>>120196857

I understand that as well! But that doesn’t mean they’re immune to criticism when they are being ideologically inconsistent. Giving a negative opinion doesn’t mean I’m like heartbroken and devastated by my so called guiding light. It’s called having an open discussion which they’ve encouraged. And honestly I don’t agree with you they definitely have built most of their following of being leftists and having a leftist podcast. But thanks Jess!

natalie ⋆｡°✩
>>120324439

this isn’t my quote but i saw somewhere “intuition is a whisper, anxiety is a scream” which has helped me

Maeve Hoppen
>>120011161

I felt so seen/normalized 🥲 what’s yours like?? mine is lots of snow and afterimages and a lil swirling of patterns

Luteal Swan
>>120011161

It’s a lot of visual snow now but I used to get the swirling patterns. I can’t have any blank white walls at my house cuz I’ll start to see like “fuzzy” Stuff if that makes sense

sloane
>>120102604

if u want to follow up on that call to inform yourself i'd suggest reading up on imperial feminism & pink imperialism & maybe interrogate why u feel the need to make up hypothetical human rights violations of a hypothetical hamas-state when ur watching the live streaming of israeli genocide that is killing men, women, children, and certainly queer palestinians every single day while the resistance movement struggles for survival. just a thought.

Natalia Gevara
>>120165074

Your two favorite white women will survives being criticized babe don’t worry ❤️ don’t know if you will though!

Julianna

Resources: eye on Palestine (Instagram, Facebook, telegram), the 100 years war on Palestine - book by Rashid Khalidi, wolpalestine (many platforms), @dialecticsforliberation Instagram

Julianna

Sharing Palestine education resources, on instagram & I’m sure other platforms: @eye.on.palestine (recommend joining the telegram for live updates) @wolpalestine @dialecticsforliberation ❤️ @jenanmatari @Palestinianyouthmovement @savesheikhjarrahnow @decolonizethisplace

Julianna
>>120144466

Sharing Palestine education resources, on instagram & I’m sure other platforms: @eye.on.palestine (recommend joining the telegram for live updates) @wolpalestine @dialecticsforliberation ❤️ @jenanmatari @Palestinianyouthmovement @savesheikhjarrahnow @decolonizethisplace

Zahra Hasan

Statement aside ..: this ep was soooo good I already know ill b relistening soon. Could listen to Kate talk forever

Cassie Hudson

Thank you so much for this episode. I’ve been a spiritual human for as long as I can remember (thanking the earth and knowing there’s a higher power among us) but when you brought up the friend breakup + being sober and having to lose those friendships I really knew I was suppose to hear this. Thank you for confirming my choices because it has been hard to let go of those I considered close but we chose different paths and I know I needed to let them go for my sobriety and for myself. Thank you again <3

Brooke

I am still thinking about this ep…. Does Kate have anymore reading recs 🥰 ??

Maya

begging you girlies to return to tiktok, the news is backed by $ and is NOT reflective of the current day events shown by people on the ground in gaza

Maya

also thank you to the binchies in the comments bc i felt like i was going crazy for a second there <3

Ese
>>120274081

frrrr. in true white women fashion so many of them are more outraged at the tone of comments and what they see as an attack than the fact that there’s literally a genocide going that’s funded and backed by our taxes and politicians. like sorry people aren’t being ‘nice enough’ expressing their disappointment that people with such a big platform gave such a bad both sides statement on genocide.

Olivia

Loveeeee Kate more of them please!!!!

Devorah Klein

Listener here who lived on Kibbutz Nir Oz and knows around 70 people who are currently being held hostage by Hamas. 30 more were murdered. During this time I’ve found some hope in the grassroots Israeli-Palestinian students group Standing Together and Combatants for Peace. I’ve found it’s important to center the handful of people on the ground who work to build an equitable future for all in the region. There is also an interesting new podcast called Unapologetic: A third narrative hosted by two Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. It’s important to stay up to date but it’s also important to visualize the destination you want where everyone is free.

freya
>>120165074

i think about this disgusting comment often. literally what a nasty thing to say. this is evidence enough that eliza and julia need to discuss the genocide in palestine more.

freya
>>120090193

israel hasn’t existed for centuries!!! how can this be a point of contention for centuries??? how is occupation and ethnic cleansing a point of contention

freya
>>120062011

u lost me at hundreds and hundreds years of history when israel was created in 1948!

Marrøw Xxīxx

return to this episode often - would kate ever consider doing a podcast? i’m also a queer / gen z / theologian and i don’t hear conversations like this often - just a thought. also if u have any more podcast recs similar to this one i’d be happy to hear :-) all of the theological pods i listen to have much older hosts

The Immaculate Witch Kaitlin Reckord

Conversation between Kate and Eliza is fucking great! I will be returning to tis one. DAMN. This is soulfully satisfying ❤️‍🔥

Mo Wilson

maybe a follow up ep about Israel / Pal ? ? ? ? ?