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Colleen Hoover thoughts needed!! (Patreon)

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2023-10-23 20:32:53
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2026-06

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Well…we did it. We read It Ends With Us. We’re about to record a bonus episode on it so pls share any thoughts / questions below!

Comments

Kat

damn you guys are so brave to do that

Vanessa Rae

If there is only one person on the Colleen Hoover hate train it is me

izzy rillos

Is it worth the read lol?

kayla

why did she name her baby after dory

hannah

is it entertaining enough that we could enjoy the trashiness of it or is it a complete skip

Katie Beer

I genuinely know people who are team Ryle

Ailis Reavey

i would rather be waterboarded than willing read it ends with us, y’all are brave fr

Hannah Abram

Is this the book where her name is Lilly Rose or something and she owns a flower shop? And is mad people assume it’s because her name is Lilly rose and not because she REALLY loves flowers?

maddie

WHY ELLEN

Emily

there’s almost nothing to think… we knew it’d be bad when in the first page she was a redhead named lily rose bloom

Dynasti deGouville

Who tf is Colleen Hoover and why do people hate her books so bad?!

Maryann Rogers

she knows that evil gays get results that’s why she talks to ellen

ale cuellar

The strongest soldiers fr 😭🙏

Abby

Not a question but I started reading it and when I found out their names were lily bloom and Ryle I had to put it down. Those aren’t names shut up

Allyson Renwick

How the fuck do you pronounce the main guys name is it Ryle (RYL) or Ryle (RILEY)

Kristen

thoughts/predictions for the film coming out next year with blake lively?

vendela

i read it and i don’t even remember what happened… just that i didn’t like it

Dolly

Were there moments where you actually got invested in the romance/ got butterflies?

Maddie Gardner

how many books she has and how quick she’s pumping them out

Gabby

what do you think about ellen being lillys idol….

br

why were all of the characters/storyline soo annoying and CRINGEY but i still couldn't staap READIING 😭

Skye Ford

colleen hoover books are my 9/11

michaela

did either of u secretly enjoy it

Rylie G

My name is Rylie so Ryle was a whole extra struggle for me 😭

Em

do you feel it romanticizes abusive relationships?

Sophie

I read this book on vacation when I was on the beach high as fuck. Good for my lobotomized state at that moment

theresa

the ellen of it all ?! what was she thinking

Vanessa Rae

What do you think about the relationship example it sets for teenage girls who read it/read her other books?

Cristina

No thoughts just vibes

Em

also please discuss the fucking INSANE names

claire b

rancid vibes.

Ally Chozik

this is how i know y’all reallllly care about the binchies … putting yourselves on the firing line for us 🫶🏼

Sydney

I couldn’t get past Lily’s earnest obsession with Ellen it was too cringe like why are we quoting finding nemo right now

lucy

why is girl writing fan letters to ELLEN

Avery Thomas

Have you seen the quote from one of colleens other books where they laugh at their sons “big balls”

Ryn C

I work at a certain large bookstore and 99% of us HATE Colleen Hoover. Literally, jail.

Mirela Barnhill

Why is it like the worst thing in the world and lowkey triggering then BAM Ellen degeneres jump scare

Eva Paramo

I barely remember this book because I read it so long ago, but all I remember thinking is how much of a flop it was with that love triangle situation and the ending is just lame lol👻

maddie haines

we used to pray for days like these...

Haven Patrick

i bought verity and it's the only CH book i own bc if i'm gonna be a hater, i'm do my research. (im so scared to read bad things)

Lucy Thorpe

have u seen the photos of the blake lively adaptation? her outfits are horrid

ali j

as soon as I got to the Ellen of it all………..

Saff

braver than the marines for reading this by choice

mjjjjjj

And of course her ass is named lily bloom like ok🙄

Mirela Barnhill

Any theories as to why she had to include the Ellen love notes?

Bella Trezza

pls talk about the coloring book

Abi

The dialogue/sex scenes are so bad i felt my brain actively turn to mush. It almost felt like satire of smut novels

kayla
>>120482719

also i need y’all to comment on the pictures of the movie adaption and explain why they have blake lively dressed like that

Allyn (uh-lyn)

question, as a person who likes to read what should I say when someone is like "omg! You have to read ~Colleen Hoover title~!" without coming off as a snob

Jazz

I’ve unfortunately read two of her books and they are very easy to read which I think is a huge part of the appeal. To me they’re almost like a lifetime original movie: technically bad but can be made at low cost with high return. Would I read more??? No! Do I think ppl need to grow their library outside of her works? Yes! But unfortunately these books are made for this time period. For ppl with no attention span or ability to think critically.

evailionis

The number of weird coincidences she experiences…. Like the fact that her crush’s sister just happens to walk into her brand-new shop? Things just happen to work out for her at times that would never happen in real life??

Luteal Swan

Thank you for your service cuz I am not reading that shit lol

✧(ꈍᴗꈍ)✧

also thoughts on ed sheeran and his influence on queer culture

kam

finished my first hoover book yesterday (verity) and my only though was that the author kept beating the reader on the head with the same information over and over and over again. very much told the reader information instead of showing it

Kate Ross

I love CoHo but I haven’t gotten around to these, yet! Excited to hear your review

Chloe Robison

no matter if you think it is a good or bad read, I do think it gives insight into how victims of domestic violence think and feel and why it is so hard for them to leave their situation sometimes.

Steph

I’m a teacher and these books are a CRIME against teen girls’ psyches

darian vi

But will you read the sequel “it starts with us” ?

alex

Colleen Hoover’s complete lack of shame at publishing such a travesty (and probably her psyche more generally) is a microcosm of all that’s wrong in the world… -10000/10.

Julia

like if you step five feet back and squint you can kinda see what she was trying to do with this story but every choice made to get the point across was Terrible

Maddie Gardner

she has so many books she’s either: 1. mad-libing that shit like she uses a template and fills in the blanks with different characters and locations 2. or ‘colleen hoover’ gotta be more of a collective group with multiple writers

Lindsey Brown

why was i in love w the abuser lol

Ella Xistris

Did tou feel like it glorified abusers? I did lol

Mirela Barnhill

If anything, it numbed my little rat brain even more 😍

Madieeeeee

Why would you do that to yourselves?? Ur martyr complex needs to be examined

in a place of

I JUST started this the other day because a friend lent it to me so I felt like I had to read it. I had to close the book when I read the name ‘Ryle’. I actually cannot with the constant place of Ellen. Is it worth powering through??? Should I finish it???

claire b

HAHA wait I need your thoughts on why the hell ellen was brought into this

Bella Trezza

did you find any enjoyment from reading? i feel that the writing is objectively bad/bland and many problematic takes/happenings but I gotta say, didn’t absolutely hate every minute

Isabella

does the mass appeal of colleen hoover (and the fact that she has probably gotten A LOT of people into reading) negate the utterly horrific writing/plot development/characters? ...i think about this a lot...

Caroline

my biggest question is how did coho land on the name “lily blossom bloom” …

Lucy Johanneman

PLSSSS THE PART WHERE SHE ANNOUNCES THE KIDS NAME IS EMERSON DORY I BUSTED OUT LAUGHING

Holly

why

Katelyn Fletcher

I HATE CoHo. My 15 year old sister loves her, but she ships the main character with the abuser. I HATE her writing sm

lauren baker

is this the one where they laugh at their sons big balls?

Isabelle

What’s with the Ellen shit Fr

Rachel Bernardi

I have many friends who don’t read and Colleen hover books gave them an easy and fun little book that they found accessible (I am friends). It’s like trash tv but it isn’t melting your eyeballs and it makes you use your brain a little bit more.

Ashlyn

colleen needs to chill tf out she’s become a monopoly of shitty books

Maddy short

I joined a book club to make friends & one of the girls said that after she read it ends with us it was the book that made her realize she needed to get a divorce (we’re not even 30 btw) so of course I was like I HAVE to read this book…. Girl….. I cannot look at her the same. Side eye forever

Julia
>>120482975

This book (and all c hoover) reassures me i can definitely get published someday lmao

mimi

thought you meant Colleen Ballinger i was like, huh, interesting response time

Marlee

my main beef with the book is the continuous nemo references

helenaxofficial

Thoughts on the main character being called Lily Blossom Bloom and owning a flower shop?

Flora ElmColone
>>120482921

as someone who works at a bookstore and gets this suggestion sometimes i usually just say cool yeah ill have to check it out! and then i don’t <3 it’s just not worth it to shut someone down when they’re trying to engage i think hahahah it’s easy to just be like mhm 🙂

Alexandra Fiul

I listened to this in the car on a road trip with my boyfriend and we had to turn it off, between listening to insane domestic abuse and deer jumping out in front of the car it was too much

Caroline

why was the main character obsessed with ellen degeneres? how did she land on ellen? did ellen pay her?

Caroline Markabawi

her books glamorize toxic ass relationships and it’s horrifying to see young girls act like it’s romantic… fine to write things like that but i think marketing them as romances is morally wrong

Isabelle

It is insufferable her name is Lily bloom and she owns a flower shop

claire b

PLS address the stethoscope sex scene I've never experienced such an ick

Amelia Teske

Reading this book told me so much about the people in my life who love this book.

Karen Fonstad

Is this twilight all over again?

Julia Maenza

okay i have a lot of beef with this book and it’s sequel. for one, i understand colleen hoover used her parents relationship as inspiration, however, she clearly contacted no one, no domestic violence organizations or advocates, for their opinion on the message it sends to readers, many of whom are young and impressionable. the book makes statements about the legality of sharing custody with an abuser that quite literally aren’t true. while this book could’ve been an opportunity to examine how an “exciting and passionate” relationship can actually be extremely abusive, and how women can leave, hoover clearly sacrifices nuance to romanticize the abusive relationship and that pisses me off. also— the writing fucking sucks! “i wake up smelling toast and i smile bc ryle knows that’s my favorite”” WHAT???? TOAST?????

Calín

Colleen’s are not winning these days. (Calín is still Colleen) Colleen Ballinger, flopstress. Colleen Hoover, flopstress. Nothing but negative representation and having the same name as someone’s 65 year old aunt. Sick of this! Sick of it here!! Changing my name!!

Payton Nicole

The characters may be disgusting to engage with in any capacity, but at least the writing is also terrible 😌

Sarah

the way it addresses DV is so blasé and victim shamey :( even tho there is a slight redemption at the end I feel like a lot of what it portrays is damaging and I know the point was that she had a change of thought when it 'happened to her' but idk ... it was bad and icky could've been addressed better !

Anna Dostalik

my thought is that it’s sooo bad

Abbie

Heinous author whose plots make my bones shiver and scream for release

Kaite

I read BOTH it ends with us AND verity (another Colleen Hoover) while recovering from Wisdom teeth surgery at my parents house in Ohio last summer. The books were obviously both HEINOUS!!! I was high off of Vicodin so the humor and cringeness was amplified. When I left my parents house after my wisdom tooth surgery to go back to New York (where I live) I left the books on my bookshelf in my childhood bedroom and thought nothing of it. Months later my mom AND dad in separate FaceTimes revealed to me that they were EACH reading these books exclaiming things like “I picked up a book that you left here, I’m excited to see what you’ve been reading!” … I was like “hey I’m not sure that is for you guys” … I’m too lazy to dig into my photos for the screenshots of the FaceTime but here is a tik tok my friend group obsesses over about the fiasco https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8kPHBkn/

Sinead Chang

colleen picks the most insane character names lol

mari !

did u hear about how her son SAed someone and she tried to cover it up / shamed the victim?? does that change ur view onnthe book at all??

savannah

no questions, just fuck this book lmao

rae

i know nothing about colleen hoover or her books, just that they’re cringe????? is she problematic catch me up pls

anni

ok so I don’t actually know anyone who has read it let alone liked it and so I really can’t fathom why it’s popular … pls can u explain why Even tho I’m sure u guys hate it

slizzarddd

Speaking of the lobotomization of art slash monoculture … talk about Taylor Swift next please!

EmD

Genuinely the least heinous thing about this book but I NEED to know your thoughts on the steampunk aesthetic in the year of our lord 2023.

Maddy short
>>120483233

I totally agree that books can change your life but I was like… you gotta read more books girl

Elise Harwell

Colleen Hoover’s books sensationalize and diminish trauma in a way that I find genuinely harmful. IEWU is the perfect example, the book is marketed as a romance and the domestic violence is treated like a plot twist. She used the fact that the story is inspired by her mother’s life as a shield to absolve herself from any criticism. Reminders of Him is similar, the drunk driving crash is treated like a mystery unfurling and there’s very little concern for the reader in how she approaches this topic. She used trauma as a means of creating depth, rather than writing actually nuance characters. I am not the first person to say this but colleen hoover is for people who didn’t have a wattpad phase growing up and it honestly fills me with rage that her bullshit “books” are so successful. She does actual, genuine harm. She mines DV plot lines to make a shit load of money (see: the IEWU coloring book, the completely unnecessary IEWU sequel). Yea, Fuck that lady.

Delphie Backs

what was the most gag worthy line in your opinion

Ellie Galt

Tacky tacky tacky writing

Louie

Running for president of the Colleen Hoover h8 club! I admittedly have not Finished one of her books because it’s literally gives me war flashbacks to my abusive relationship when I was 18. My memoir would sound like it was ghost written by an angry Colleen Hoover. I went to a paint night with new coworkers and I was so excited to be invited. I didn’t know it was also a book club, and their last three books has been Miss Colleens. I can’t read a room to save my life so I didn’t hold back my scathing review of her glorification of abuse followed by a big fat silence. I was never invited back. And nobody would swap shifts with me after that !!!! Even fictional men make me ill. Anyways, I’ve been praying for this episode and I love you all !! xoxo Louie she/her

Payton Nicole
>>120483320

Was just telling my friend the other day that Colleen Hoover could’ve made such a great suspense/thriller writer. The premise is always interesting but calling them romance novels is nasty behavior!!

Mia

thoughts on the official it ends with us merch by @collectionsbycolleenhoover ?????

lefthandedscorpio

OmG this is so exciting. My mom read them so I read the copies she bought. Honestly they were alright. I’d never read them again, but I hate the idea that men especially shit on women for reading her. But yeah…she’s not the greatest person. Idk, there’s prob a more nuanced way to put all that

adara

what is with her obsession with borderline incest, pregnancy, and lowkey SA in her books 🤨

Rebecca

Thoughts on casting the steampunk flower shop in the book?!? Those flowers sounded ugly as hell

Tori D

genuinely one of the worst books i’ve ever read it’s giving seventh grade reading level it’s giving teen wolf fanfiction and why for the love of god is ryle not pronounced rylee

Rebecca

Also thoughts on how these books are going to affect teenagers perceptions of healthy relationships? Colleen Hoover is deadass the only author some of my students will read

M

All I can say is that her books and writing are NOT GOOD. However, I do have to admit that I read book 1 & 2 and the spooky one about the disabled wife. It’s a book that hate read

Alex Tomlinson

I would love to know your take on why she is so popular. I read It Ends With Us and it was a book filled with so much cringe. I don’t understand why it’s exploded, why her books sell well, or why people connect with her characters??? Her characters are barely flushed out???

Brita Riley

Have you read 50 shades of gray? I have not but I read ‘It ends with us’ and I’m wondering if the target audience is the same? I teach high school and any books that glamorize obsession and abuse masked as passion are damaging imo

bella bella

as an avid smut reader, super meh. The thing about smut is that it’s not really about reading great literature. I wouldn’t really consider this book as true smut though- it’s in its own special category of not good enough to be smut or literature. Definitely has some romanticization of the abuser. the other dude is just the stereotypical emotionally closed off but successful and kind mmc

Abby

TRASH literature…jail to Hoover…….JAIL TO HOOVER- a binchie with an English & writing degree

AK

Hate hate HATE colleen Hoover. No nuance. I’m a bookseller and she is the bane of my existence. Every day I have to talk to girls who look like they would have bullied me in high school when they come up and ask me where the Colleen Hoover books are. The only people who like her books are people who don’t normally read and don’t know how to gauge what quality writing is. And I am not the type of person to hate on people’s tastes, but this is where I draw the line!! But I have to give her a morsel of credit for keeping the bookstores afloat I guess. But I still hate her.

Jaelyn

I’ve never read a Colleen Hoover book u guys are telling me it’s been smut this whole time ??

bella bella
>>120485091

also, the second book sucks even more. ryle just keeps being abusive and other dude just plays the “perfect man”

hannah

the ellen degenerous references make me sick

marisa

I’ve never read Colleen Hoover but all these comments remind me of how I feel about Sally Rooney which seems to be an unpopular opinion a lot of the times soz 😩

Elise

what is the psychological/sociological factors that go into so many women being into like dominating, abusive men?

Adreanna

I hate how she writes in a way where she over explains every single thought/ feeling going through a characters head. Good writers show don’t tell- and I fear that Colleen could simply never achieve this!!

Adreanna

Also, it’s smut which tries to disguise itself as something more. Like you can’t really write a cohesive novel about abuse that is also smut??? Like what? The f??? Stick to what you know me HOOVE

alli rios

I'm a DV counselor and I have what may be controversial thoughts about It Ends With Us (never read any of her other books and it's been a while since I've read IEWU, so take this with several grains of salt). I didn't actually hate it! I thought the main character was a complicated person, as we all are, and to me, the hatred of the book says a lot about what we (as a society) think about DV. We often want the "perfect victim," someone who's easy to pity, someone who leaves immediately. But this character challenged that, and to me it made the whole thing more realistic. For so many reasons, a lot of survivors don't leave, and if they do, it may take (on average) 7-8 tries before it "sticks." And even once someone leaves, it doesn't mean the abuse stops. There's valid criticism about "torture porn," but to me, the book felt like it was written by someone who understands the complicated, conflicting internal battle between emotions and manipulation that often draw survivors back to their abuser over and over again and the logic/fear that says to leave. Abuse is often like that metaphor where the frog boils in water but doesn't realize it until it's too late, it can be hard to spot until it's so obvious and overt that it's impossible to ignore, and even then, someone might have many reasons why they're "locked in." Sorry for the long comment, there's so much to say! I can't wait to hear the discussion!!

Georgia Gill

As an ER nurse I was truly shonked disgusted etc at the fact he fucked her in his scrubs after being in a dirty nasty hospital all day and then used his steth mid sex????? My man pls shower

Jordan L

The coloring book????

Summer

I only read verity but it's fucked up. I kinda don't like how she writes like her narrative style but the content is interesting. Idk why every book starts with trauma like someone getting hit by a car or someone killing themselves lmao like wow what a hook I guess? But the "twist" at the end kinda made me feel sick and I feel like there was anti women solidarity in it. Like siding with the man automatically and like catty behavior? Idk. I've heard many of her books are just about women liking abusive men. Also I read verity cus a kid at the school I work at did and he's in 5th grade and I looked it up and it was like contains abortion mention of child death car crashes murder sex like jfc kid you're 10 wtf so I read it so I could process it with him cus he seemed traumatized by it a lil. Led to a conversation about what a cost hanger abortion was. So that was fun.

Emily nagle

She’s a grown ass woman who gives her characters worse names than one direction fanfic writers in 2013

Lia

Of all the “romance” books I’ve read that involved DV, this was by far the most mishandled. Imagine my surprise going into it thinking it was a love triangle book only to be given THAT. Seemed to be no thought or consideration for her audience even before it became a Tik tok fan favorite. The most thoughtful part of the book was the author’s note.

Kaley Alness

Need your thoughts on the casting for the movie that I will unfortunately need to watch

Kaley Alness

Also thoughts on people GENUINELY recommending these books as ROMANCE????

Joey Olechno

It annoys me as someone who reads quite a lot for ppl to pick up one of these books and start a fad over some of the shittiest literature you will ever read in your life and you can tell none of them read if they enjoy this shit because I could've wrote a better book...when I was in grade 3 with better vocabulary and writing elements.

kat

her books are so gross & problematic etc etc but they’re also just like …. So bad. like I don’t mind reading cringey writing if it’s kinda fun and camp but her books cover topics that are so traumatizing and complicated and should be written about in a thorough nuanced way and instead feel like middle school dark one direction fan fic.

kat
>>120486712

I’m the first person to be like let people enjoy things it’s fine to have guilty pleasures etc but with this book (& her others) I truly fundamentally view people in my life differently if they enjoy it

Ava

i engage with her books like i do reality tv. it’s fun to read and turn your brain off for a bit, but there’s not a ton of depth there. i’m also a teacher and conflicted about her books because i see middle schoolers reading again (yay! reading for fun and not hating literature because of the way reading is taught in american education) but they are reading colleen hoover. and then i worry about the kind of relationships they are seeing depicted at such a young age as the pinnacle of romance. i think her books can be fun and enjoyable when you have the critical thinking skills to recognize when events/relationships are harmful, but the younger the audience the more nervous i get.

Julia

i don’t wanna be a hater but this book was bad. i literally felt like i was reading a fan fiction, because the book talks about mature topics (mainly domestic abuse) in such an underdeveloped way while dedicating like half the book to sex scenes that sound like they were written by a 5th grader. and don’t get me started on the whole “breaking the cycle” part because it was all of five pages and breaking the cycle isn’t as simple as just ~not~ doing what the ones before you have

Ezri

there's a lot of moralizing about her books being problematic and what not--do you think that the relationships presented in her books could genuinely be harmful to readers, or do you think people are being overly self righteous about it? (disclaimer i haven't actually read any of her books lmao i've just watched a lot of video essays)

Elise Lauren

I think being a book snob is lame. accessible reading is not necessarily bad. It’s low brow ig, no more or less exploitative of the typical salacious, misogynistic themes in the majority of media today - violence and abuse towards women characters is the constant, it’s the standard. This is how we are represented and that is how we then live. I actually feel as though girls must of really resonated and maybe they would have benefited from learning about generational trauma, even if I feel like the way miss hoover describes stuff is cringe and a bit patronising to women, Colleen obvi loved those ideas enough to write them so objective complete, there is an audience for all types of literature. But Ellen tho, the Ellen insert was wild.

Sophia H

I haven’t read it ends with us, but I read verity and good god it was extremely disturbing

Sally Paik

Have you watched Caleb Joseph’s video “A complete history on my feud with Colleen Hoover”?

Kaley Alness
>>120486102

Omg I read verity because tik tok convinced me to and I didn't hate it but I re-read it this year and WOW IT SUCKS SO BAD I hate every character so much

Haley Raymond

I actually enjoyed the book at the time. I think Colleen Hoover writes in a way that keeps you guessing and she always has a plot twist that is unexpected. However, her books are also SO CRINGE at many points and they’re not exactly encouraging deep thought. I have read many Colleen Hoover books and I can’t say that she’s my favorite author but I think her books are entertaining, similarly to reality TV. Sometimes you just need a bit of stimulation and smut when you’re on the verge of a menty b. Her books are very easy reads so she is my go-to when I need to get out of a reading slump. Sometimes you just need some shitty entertainment, my brain gets tired!

Anna Arbo

As someone who doesn’t have many thoughts about books and gives a book 5 stars on good reads if I read it cover to cover, I liked it ends with us and think Colleen Hoover is super easy to read and doesn’t require too much thought. I read 13 books while I was abroad for the spring semester and credit Colleen Hoover’s books for bringing me back to reading

Maria
>>120485786

She over explains yet it seems like everything is so incoherent it’s difficult to keep track. While I was reading I found myself thinking “get to the damn point already” several times.

Greer Emmeline

I read this book because all my uni roommates were GABBING about it, and it wasn’t the worst of her novels, but it really is not a book I would recommend to anyone. NOT TO MENTION the heinous rep miss Colleen gives to women, POC, and people experiencing homelessness. It makes me deeply uncomfortable that her credentials for a “good” and “moral” person are just whether or not they donate to charity??? Like, Ellen donated to endless ppl/organizations and she turned out to be a terror on set! I feel like a major reason these books are so successful is because they toe the line of being “liberal” without being reflective?? Not outrageous to the right or left - just overall icky. Fun for all Americans!! (I’m from Canada 🥰) As long as you can stomach 350 pages of awful dialogue, terrible name choices and men being praised for doing absolutely nothing.

Berkley 🌸

You see, I've only read Verity so if any Binchies wanna dissect that Colleen Hoover ridiculousness lmk for sure

rjscottie

I’m a librarian :) It’s not bad but not good? Like I read it in one sitting but it’s not a book I’d recommend? It’s wildly popular in libraries though like cannot keep it on the shelves

rjscottie
>>120489481

A lot think it romanticizes abuse, I don’t know if id say that about it but it is nuanced. I am a little annoyed with the ppl denying teenage girls media literacy as if they cannot read the book and see that ryle (dumb name) is not a good guy

Summer
>>120487830

I read it cus literally one of my 5tg graders did and he asked me about a coat hanger abortion. I was like boy what where did you hear that? So I read it to be able to process w him. It's fucked up esp the twist at the end

Summer
>>120487253

Oooo that's an interesting perspective to think Abt it from !

rjscottie
>>120489481

Most of my students can grasp that and I think the snobbery is toggling between DONT let kids read nuanced books which is censorship and also, The book is just not great anyway and we should read books that are better written

Sophia H
>>120487830

That is insane that such a little kid read it 😳 I teach tenth graders and I wouldn’t even want them reading verity!

Summer
>>120487253

Also one of my 4th graders read it and asked me about abortions. That's why I read it lmao

rjscottie
>>120489481

As a librarian for a HS I won’t buy them for my library bc they’re not marketed or for ya but adult 🤷‍♀️

rjscottie
>>120489481

I also feel I should clarify that I can’t keep them on the shelf at the public library I also work at

Summer
>>120485023

I think it's an easy/digestible/quicker read on terms of the difficulty and it can bring ppl back into reading in general. After they read hoover, do they go on to read more probably better works ?

Summer
>>120483799

This!!!! The way she literally starts her books with a big ass traumatic ass event. Someone's hit by a car, someone's killing themself, etc.

Carolin

Colleen hoover men are TRULY something else in every novel i’ve read by her. IEWU was an addictive read— i’ll give it that— but her male characters are always CONSISTENTLY awful and i find their awfulness is romanticized?? But for the love of god…lily blossom bloom? Bffr. These character names are always so goofy😭I thought Verity was really good and disturbing— definitely my fave by her. I think if she delved more into thriller/horror fiction that could be a slayyy. “Layla” I actually think is way worse than IEWU but that one is significantly less popular. Basically the main man uses his girlfriend’s body to communicate with a ghost— and falls for said “ghost.” It’s bizarre and kinda rapey, which is then tries to be justified by the plot twist

josie!

I think CH is an interesting convo around high-brow vs low-brow media. Most ppl hate these books bc they’re just kind of meant to be page-turners with lots of trope driven drama and love, but isn’t like, watching reality tv kind of similar? I think just because books are traditionally “academic” or “intellectual” we view them differently.

Emily
>>120485186

I have not read any Colleen Hoover so have 0 opinions, but do you think there’s merit in getting people reading if they don’t normally? I normally read non-fiction and am realising it might be an impediment to just picking up something lighter and easier to stop scrolling and just engage that part of my brain

kayla
>>120483691

eliza is a swiftie also taylor swift is objectively an artist so not sure what point you’re trying to make here

Shania Davis

I personally enjoyed it. Did the male character suck? Yes. But it’s based on DV that she witnessed her mom going through so if that was her experience why should we say that it was bad you know?

Rebecca Lang

i saw a review on amazon that called it “ellen propaganda” so

Meredith Pelt

Tried reading a Colleen Hoover book on my kindle (rented it from library thank god) bc I didn’t even read a whole chapter

Harleigh

I wasn't a fan of the book but I have a hard time saying bad things about things that the girlies commonly like. I've always said let the girls like what they like (within reason) so who am I to criticize what a girl reads lol

Becca Clemmons

Look, she’s clearly not Shakespeare, and the writing quality does sometimes annoy me (those who say she over-explains are totally right) - however, she’s clearly popular for a reason. I feel like she satisfies a similar place in pop culture that cringe reality TV, Twilight, and like, YA Netflix romcoms do. Are they objectively low brow and poor quality? Sure. Do I thoroughly enjoy consuming them? Absolutely. People are allowed to enjoy things that are bad sometimes and shouldn’t be written off as having poor taste because of it (especially women). Excited to hear our queen binchies thoughts on this one 🤠

Rachel

So first of all, I didn’t find It Ends With Us problematic. According to Colleen, her father was abusive, and It Ends With Us was informed by her experiences. In the end, Lilly chooses herself and her baby, and gets out. I don’t see how anyone could come away from reading this book thinking that Ryle and Lilly’s relationship is one to model. That being said, this book is still cringe as fuck and the writing fucking sucks. I can’t get over the protagonist being named Lilly Bloom, and her inexplicable overnight success as a florist. If you loved this book, bless your heart. I will say it’s readable! I will give Miss Colleen her flowers in that regard, I flew through the book. The problem is I hated every second of it, and I’m not afraid to say it!! The characters were undeveloped and one-dimensional. My naked truth is that THIS BOOK SUCKSSSS

Emma Graham

While I thought it was super cliche, it IS very accessible and has a good message. HOWEVER the main dude being named Ryle made me laugh every time I read it (sorry to the Ryles out there) and of courseeeee he was a neurosurgeon that was insanely sexy😭 and then her name being LILY BLOOM? The way they met with him pondering over the lights of the city and smoking a joint had me rollinggggg. Insane work from miss colleen

Rachel Wood

I am a librarianstress who has been through the RINGER with Miss Hoover. In my opinion? Her plots aren't engaging, her writing is simplistic, and her characters are one dimensional. But I give my love to her because ultimately, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I LIKE HER. Her books have done amazing things to book culture these past few years, and her books have become such an easy entry point into reading for people who haven't thought of themselves as "readers." I would never want to turn people away from reading by yucking their yum. I wouldn't choose one of her books for myself, but you can bet you'd see me in the stacks handing out her work to MANY a patron. Colleen Hoover fans, slay!

Alex Swift

idk if this gal is problematic or not but I just didn’t think it ends with us was good and never read anything else. Heard verity is great tho

Maya

It literally reads like wattpad lmaoo I read this book yearss before it became this phenomenon off of a recommendation from someone I THOUGHT I could trust and I truly could not believe what I was taking in!! The names alone

Angela Gluck

I don’t think Colleen Hoover’s writing is good, BUT This Ends With Us is the only book of hers that I enjoyed because of the discourse over how complicated abusive situations can be. I think because the author was drawing on personal experience, she did a good job at writing in the nuances of that subject.

Sidney

i think my main issue with colleen hoover is that her books are marketed as romance and they should not be. she is profiting off of the romance genere and describes her books as romance, while it ends with us definitely should not be in that genere!

Sidney
>>120507530

also- the books are marketed using buzzwords like “smut” and “love triangle” when many of the sex scenes are rooted in abuse and the love triangle is kinda irrelevant and just there for vibes?

Harmony Lojko

I literally hated it ends with us. I loved ugly love, but all her books just seem to have a very mainstream perspective of hetero relationships.

Lily

so i read the entire thing in 2 days which was followed by 2 weeks of deep self hatred

Coco
>>120499778

This! When I was in 6th grade twilight made me into a HUGE reader… now that wasn’t fine literature but I learned that I loved to read and branched out. We all start somewhere and sometimes a cheesy& problematic book does that for u 😂

Aubrey Rion

Europeans get Elena Ferrante and Americans got Colleen Hoover and that is why

madison 💐

it starts with us > it ends with us

blaine
>>120491191

I have to say as someone who’s always had a hard time reading and enjoying books, I read this three years ago and made me feel good about reading again. I loved it at the time, do I have different thoughts now? Yes. Was the sequel terrible? YES. But at the time I didn’t hate it and it helped me get into reading.

Victoria Chung

i think one good thing she did in it ends with us was showing how hard it is to get out of an abusive relationship. like i found myself thinking “maybe he did just push her on accident” and as someone who’s been in an abusive relationship that’s a really common thought to have

Victoria Chung

i hate how everyone in ryle’s life is just okay with his behavior????? like the way his sister is just like “oh well that’s ryle” um me personally i would never speak to my brother again

Victoria Chung

i know my rat brain is the rattiest of brains bc the only books i can really get through are coho books 💀

Hannah

It sucked

Ro

As someone who has never read Colleen Hoover I want to hear your thoughts on why several of her books have consistently been on top 100 book lists, like what’s the big draw?

Tree

Is this the one where she talks about a baby having huge balls or is that a different one ?

syd
>>120556486

that's Ugly Love, which also contains a stepbrother x stepsister romance arc. a real winner.

Katelyn McKeever

All I have to contribute is that my sister in law read like three of her books on our family trip to Ireland and my siblings and I kept calling her Hollen Coover. Hannah (sister in law) had to leave early and couldn’t fit the books in her luggage so I had to lug a library of Hollen Coover literature through Dublin customs at 6am :)

jacob hicks

Colleen Hoover is my enemy not just because she’s a bad writer (she is) but also because her books and fan base are a menace to anyone who’s ever worked in a bookstore. The bookstore I used to work at had to clear a whole WALL of books (think: 15 shelves) to set up what we called “Hooverville” for the amount of Colleen Hoover books we had to keep in stock because we kept selling out immediately. Sure maybe it’s good business but I wish people would become obsessed with someone who’s better at writing

risa tinsley-green

I read it when I was in the trenches of an abusive relationship and I genuinely think it fucked my mind up even more. Like yes it’s realistic that all of her friends would stay friends with her abuser, but there wasn’t nearly enough critique of their actions and portrayal of how hard that would be for Lily to justify it. And then at the end just having them make up and act like it wasn’t a big deal?? Fucked.

Grace

Carley Thorne said it best: lobotomy literature.

Allie Meger

just read first my colleen hoover book which was verity and it was fucking awful. the way she describes sex is so CRINGE. millennial core as fuck

amelia c

i work in an inpatient mental health facility for adolescents and they LOVE colleen hoover. need i say more?

Jess123
>>120584906

The sex scenes in this book are actually so disturbing lmfao. That was my first & last Colleen Hoover

Danielle Edgar

Anyone else watching Nicole raffees videos on Ms Hovers books ? Hysterical.

michaela
>>120483136

i was just gonna comment this i have friends who finally got into reading through her but is that worse than if they didn’t read anything at all……… much to consider

Emily West

I’m begging y’all to read Archer’s Voice. 100000% worse than CoHo. It was the book club’s pick 🥴

Jemima McKenna

Truly the worst book I’ve ever read ❤️

Julia
>>120561660

Yeah, I listened to some of it in audio book form and the shitty and NOT credible writing stood out even more (never finished it tho lmao)

Rachel

If bad why do I keep reading? 😭

Lara Crocombe

ugly love i think is the worst coho book u definitely need to read it