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QUICK NOTE: This is a conversation between me and my friend CJ (of CJ the X fame) about the album. They asked to interview me about it just before it came out, and now I have this little conversation. This is NOT a bonus episode (so don't worry, you'll still get one more before January is over), but it's basically a podcast, so I thought you guys might enjoy listening. <3 E

CJ interviews Eliza about her debut album, Going Through It. They talk about what it means to turn your trauma into art, if there is meaning in suffering, and dive deep into the particular tracks and process behind the creation of the album.

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Vanessa Rae

Thank you for feeding us

Isabella

oh thIS IS my super bowl

Eliza J.

Absolutely loving the album. It’s on repeat. THANK YOU!!!

kerrie

thank you thank you thank you

Addison

Yay! I am obsessed with going through it 🥲 excited to listen 😝❣️

Michelle

so excited for this…. the album has been on LOOP. your genius mind

Lily Stein

soooo so excited for this one!!!!!!!! THANK YOU GENIUS ELIZA!!!! 🧎🏻🧎🏻🧎🏻🧎🏻🧎🏻🧎🏻

Tanner Wilson

Been loving the album and so excited to listen to this ❤️

Ally Watkinson

can’t wait to listen! LOVED the album!!! ❤️❤️❤️

Emily

INCREDIBLE I have been loving the album 🥲 can’t wait for my vinyl to cross the ocean and land on my doorstep

Emma

ALBUM IS EVERYTHING I LOVE YOH

Katie Kuo

So excited about this! I’ve been loving the album and wondering about some of the inspiration. Eliza, I really appreciate your art

Charlotte Worley

waiting for the day I don’t cry whilst listening to ‘to wake up’ <3 Eliza you are a wordsmith <3

Lilli Bea Dunn

had so much fun at the album release!! i read what you said on your story about music journalism, and you are such a massive inspiration to me, you *Will* be seeing an article on the album release party and album itself queen!💋

Claire

JUST finished listening to the album for the 4th-ish time when I got this notification. Thank you universe!

amelia n

eliza as someone with an avoidant attachment style who is starting to see somebody who might actually be really good for her, your album (especially Strike!) could not have come at a better time

Olivia

eliza thank you so much for this album! Have been going through it (pun intended) with some personal loss and things on top of the regular seasonal depression and didn’t even know how much I needed these songs. Crybaby and to wake up specifically have ruined me, but the entire album is so perfect! (Also the vinyl is the prettiest blue I own🫶🏻💕)

Olivia

Need to add that strike is the love song of the century for me as an anxious/avoidant girly. lyricist of forever I fear

Jules

it sounds and feels so Appalachian to me so thank you for that representation

Maggie Howes

Eliza, this album is beautiful. As someone who is working through childhood trauma and specifically healing my inner child, I really connected with Just Like Mine. I actually sobbed at my kitchen table the first time I listened to it <3

Narcisa

this album is so beautiful and thoughtful & I will be listening to it front to back again after this

kerrie

“isn’t it great what I made of it?” yes it absolutely fucking is

Adelaide Rava

Idk what it is about parents with psychosis but damn we really experiencing some similar ass things. Never felt more represented in an album and did not expect to find that. Thank you for sharing your talent with the world and with this community too 🖤🖤

kerrie

before as a song and the faulkner quote really remind me of the first time I heard would’ve could’ve should’ve where I never really stopped to think about what could’ve been if my trauma had never happened and mourn that possibility and I think that Before and Older capture that so so beautifully thank you so much for creating these works of art!! they have a very special place in my heart and congratulations on all that is to come <3

maddie moo

eliza!! the album is amazing. i'm listening to the vinyl in the background of the episode rn :) thank you for sharing your art you inspire many including myself

Brenna O'Brien

Salt Circle was my anthem this time last year and now I’m feeling as tho Going Through It (the entire thing) is my new one. Just Like Mine made me cry when I heard it for the first time and I can’t get Punch Drunk out of my head!!! Thank you for making such a scrumptious piece of art!! ❤️❤️

Brenna O'Brien

All I can do is fantasize about how you fantasize about me, ouch!

Nora bedard

Elize i love how u express your love for the art of writing and creating music, it feels very egoless and i find it quite refreshing, what a joy it is to hear you talk about something so passionately, congrats and happy birthday 💕💕

Gabbie Fish

This album dissected me and put me back together. I think what is so beautiful about this work is how we can find comfort in not being alone in our stories/histories/ redemptions.

Maleah

releasing this on my period.. i haven’t been able to make it through the album without crying. especially strike 😣💗

izzy

OMG CJ !!!!!!!!

izzy

holy fucking shit?????

Maddie G

will be discussing ‘before’ with my therapist

Katie

Sorry, but I have to leave this platform. The old Binchtopia eps will forever be in my heart but i cannot continue supporting something that acts as though a genocide is not actively going on. Things are not normal right now. we should be protesting and tbh thats what i liked about this pod. It cared about humans and maybe it’s me who has changed, but i can’t sit around acting complacent that y’all wont even consider having a discussion about palestine. You can put in the word “ukraine” and an ep pops right up, you do the same for palestine… and nothing. Also remember democrats aren’t your friends, they support this shit so consider voting for Karina and Claudia or Cornel West for president, they are all for a ceasefire AND have been actively marching. The silence has been loud and quite frankly, any feminism that comes with exceptions or asterisks— we don’t want it. We need intersectionality and this pod feels far from is anymore. Sorry. Much love to all, and remember, none of us are free until everyone is free from oppression and apartheid 💗

savannah trice

i've always connected with eliza on such a deep (and parasocial) level because from what she chooses to talk about on the pod and in her music we have had veryyyyy similar childhoods. i'm 18 and listening to this episode is so inspiring knowing that she was able to grow older and look back on her traumas and not only create such beautiful art but also heal from them! life feels so incredibly hard all the time but listening to this album it's nice knowing that i'm not alone in my suffering and also it won't be like this forever :)

lactose intolerance

listened to glitter on my walk to class and started crying in public thanks

lactose intolerance

i’ve been thinking about this a lot too :/ so many pods i listen to that never shy away from politics are glossing over palestine and it’s so disappointing and disrespectful. i’m not asking everyone to be an expert and if you are that’s great but if you’re not than invite someone on the pod at the very least

Katie

exactly!! 10k patreonites theres gotta be money to bring an expert in especially if it advances any further dialogue between groups of people on whats going on and what we can do about it.

Katie

white feminism is 100% virtue signaling if you can’t care even a morsel about bringing awareness to a genocide that so many women are impacted by. currently. Tbh I’m more sad and scared about these women not getting the chance to live rather than my own rights right now.

Evan Tietema

to wake up has me in tears at 9 am on a monday

juniperstan

16 is so special and emotional for me I love your story telling on this album

Sally Paik

I actually interpreted Glitter as Eliza talking to a younger version of herself!

Sam Haimowitz

OH MY GOD??????? YES!!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS

Han

WHEN WORLDS COLLLLIDEEE AHHHH THIS IS MY SUPERBOWL

Olivia Brown

CJ was a great interviewer!! Loved to hear yalls friendship shine through too

kate

then stop? y’all announce your departure like people care

Hannah Randolph

have you considered that maybe julia could estrange herself from her family by discussing this emotional and polarizing issue in front of thousands of people? this genocide is horrifying and absolutely unacceptable. but this is a really complicated thing to talk about, especially for anti-zionist jews. we all feel like shit about it. julia and eliza don't owe you or any of us a public discussion about a topic. try being respectful.

Aura

what sucks is that binchies used to be nice to each other and now y’all feel comfortable to say shit like kate did, who cares? i care that binchies are leaving. is it cool to not care? they thank us for our support and they constantly ask for feedback in the comments so i think they do care.

Aura

tbh, them not talking about it makes me feel like its something that you don’t have to pay attention to. that you can choose to let it not affect you. most people don’t want to engage with what’s uncomfortable and people are gonna be mad at you for disturbing their peace. its fucked but bitches hate nuance. i want to hear what they have to say. i can understand being afraid to put something on the internet considering all the violence. but it makes sense to stop supporting them for contradicting their own values.

Sydney Rossini

are any san diego binchies planning on going to see the show here? i would love to have someone to go with!!

Iffat Aniqa

honestly the hostility in the comment section towards people respectfully expressing their disappointment is starting to bother me more than anything the girls themselves did tbh. people can disagree obvs, but now I'm seeing a lot of petty insults and bitchiness towards people who are being entirely earnest and thoughtful in their critique and it is SO unnecessary. I'm not sure what the dunking is supposed to be achieving. i do not want to be a part of a community that handles disagreement this way

lactose intolerance

saying “bitches hate nuance” when people are discussing how it’s upsetting that people who have built a platform off of cultural and political commentary aren’t using that platform to make important cultural and political commentary about a very important and pressing issue is bizarre

saoirse

bro they r not a swiss army knife! they are people with a podcast! u are more than welcome to consume more than 2 voices, u dont need to / probably shouldnt get all ur information and bits of thought from one singular source. branch out! there r plenty of palestinian journalists and activists doing so much work for the cause lol

freya

god someone will write the most respectful explanation which i care about i want to hear how people about this and you will STILL act like they’re being demanding unrealistic disrespectful

freya

stop missing the point. we are all listening to palestinian journalists we all check to see if motaz and bisan are alive every day. i listen to let’s talk about palestine the podcast. their work is invaluable and i don’t know why u suggest we place eliza and julia above them we DON’T. it doesn’t change how upsetting it is for a literal genocide to be glossed over in a feminist podcast a podcast that’s meant to care about people.

lola bolado

this album is my roman empire bcs my mom has bipolar I and when i was 17 she had her first psychotic break so glad u wrote this album for me queen

lola bolado

BRO ABOUT GLITTER I TRUED SO HARD TO CONVINCE MY FRIENDS I SHOWED THE SONG TO U WERENT IN LOVE W UR FRIEND

Nathalie Bessette

LOVE. The lyrics to 16 gave me chills. Did CJ publish this interview anywhere?

Audrey

This is so not the point. No one is asking them to be the source of all information, but to uplift and promote Palestinian journalists and activists, which is something those activists are asking for!

Emma Warrner

thank you for sharing this!!! LOVE the album

A

Hii binchies i have two tix to Eliza in Cambridge March 29 which I sadly can’t make anymore … will sell at face value $30 if anyone is interested ! Pls dm me on ig @_angelalian <3

helenaxofficial

It truly won’t be like this forever. I’m 26 with mentally ill/dysfunctional parents, and I’ve been able to build a nice life for myself despite my childhood. Things still aren’t easy with them, but I have found so much gentleness and joy with my girlfriend, my friends, and my 2 cats! Your world will get bigger and brighter ❤️

helenaxofficial

Julia’s dad is the president of the Center for Jewish History in NYC which probably complicates things. I am not assuming that Julia’s silence equates to her being a Zionist - I don’t think anyone should assume that.

Ondine

anything you want is acc one of my fav songs ever thank u eliza

kirby rodik

obsessed with the album!! i’d love if you could release the lyrics on substack or somewhere else:)

blaine

Punch drunk is one of my favs can’t wait to see this live in March!!!

Becca Kirkland

first and foremost, the album is so beautiful and hits all the marks. just like mine is my new hyperfixation song, ty! random question, but on the note of esoteric fucked up music lol. have you listened to Joanna Newsom?! i’m a recent fan and would love to know your thoughts if you’re familiar!!

Julia R

I LOOOOVE the album thank you Eliza. You are one of the greatest lyricists I think I’ve ever heard

Madison

this album is so beautiful thank you for putting so much into words . also are there any solo binchies going to the LA show?!

Sabrina

Not to be too parasocial but I’ve never felt so seen in a mother daughter relationship as what you’ve shared. Our lives are different in many ways, but there is a unique and profound grief, sadness, and helplessness in being the oldest daughter (and only child) of a mentally ill mother who parentifies you, literally putting their life or death in your hands. I’m sorry if this is too much, and I’m sorry for all you’ve been through, but pls know you’ve helped me feel less alone. In a way I feel I belong. Anyway sorry to get too deep on the patreon 🤪 slay album girly and happy birthday

Sabrina

Same!! My mother was (mentally) ill through most of my teenage years and i felt so alone in my experience until Eliza shared a bit abt her experience in the early days of the pod (~2 years ago) when I was still going through that. I hope you and your mom are doing better now ❤️

kerrie

listening to To wake up after leaving the joanns on a weekday morning did pull me out of a deep hole of despair also listening to strike as a manifestation strategy anyone else

izzy

Anything you want and modern woman by eliza mclamb you are so loved!

libby

i keep listening to the album at my desk job and tearing up in my open floor plan office, but it's so worth it <3

Ani Bagmanian

i’m literally obsessed with campbell and jett GO DAWGS. wish i was her fr

Mathilde

When I heard the line “I popped my jaw to fit you in” I was like oh wow great metaphor of relationship love it. Then it was about an actual blowjob and now I’m like GIRL THIS IS TOO REAL

Sammi Castle

When I hear Glitter I think about growing up with my little sister and how we will never be living in the same house again, “whispering like we’re 13”, and I cry every time, can’t wait to see it live 🥹🥺

boots

“i don’t know what to do with you, you say it often almost sounds like a good excuse, for doing nothing” literally gave me whiplash like damn…….

Micaela

You gotta listen to VGRs remix of coconut mall

Sarah

"every moment has a touch of goodbye, we were watching it leave while we still had time" on Glitter is also so Before-coded, so william faulkner, etc

Maria

Eliza. Won’t lie am drunk over the Trader Joe’s wine that’s wrapped in hay and is red. Have been listening to binch since beginning. Love you guys would listen on way home from work riding birds(motorized rental scooter in the D.) anyways have been Binchtoiqing so I know you in some sort or way. Thing that show yourself in the album 1. After it ended line on glitte4. your voice sounds soooo just like. You are sharing) 2. The guitar in last track. So much so true of humanity. Just so much examples the over all of how I feel after having t99 much psychedelics. It’s just the way shit is. I just feel you. Life is so. 3. Edit I’m taking about strike. But punch is cynt too can’t lie but this tidbit is about strike (under my throat) just soooo. Speaks to my soul. I just get it girl we all do. You’re talking for sure. We’re just here what can we even do about it. I love my bf what am I to do even t)96( unrelated. But yeah Modern women chorus just soooo ducking true girl. Anyways will delete once I get to it but just wanted to say after having red wine for twilight theme party. But yeah congrats Eliza you’re a cool gurl or whatever But a little something for julia you know the video of 4hat girl in the sailor outfit who’s talking about socialism. You know the one. The first at least 5 months of listening to binchtopia I picture you as the girl from that video. So cunt

Erin

God this episode just doesn't wanna play normally for me

Julia Pickersgill

Just wanted to say the last bit of your comment is hilarious to me bc sailor moon socialist is literally one of the red scare girlies

Maria

I’m gonna opt out of knowing this. To me socialist sailor girl will be a civilian who slays and sounds like julia nothing more nothing less

Genevieve Collum

Absolutely. I started crying as soon as I heard it. Literally have recreated the WebMD line by accident.

Emily

"Inexplicably I keep waking up, I keep walking forward into the dusk" in 16 and then "I have walked out from the dusk, and when the sun is rising I'll let it" in To Wake Up is just AHH what a beautiful creative mind!!!

Nadine C

Love you and the album Eliza!! Any Toronto binches want to go to the concert with me?!

saiju

literally listen to 16 and older all the time omw to therapy... :) grew up with mentally ill parents and the parallelisms in our feelings are so there. thank u for this album eliza. u r also a wonderful poet

cilina

If anyone wants to support a podcast made by a fellow binchie where we DO speak up about political issues, my pod is called The Stoner Fairy Podcast :)

Sarah

tech issues on this episode :( won't rewind of fast forward without restarting so I couldn't finish the episode :(

Maria Alvarado

I've been coming back to Going Through It multiple times since it's release and it's amazing to find something new every time. Modern Woman is my current earworm, but Mythologize Me, Crybaby and 16 have been floating in and out of rotation for months. Thank you for sharing such an earnest and beautiful record, Eliza! CJ's videos are amazing and I'm so happy to hear you two break the record down.