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Just to address a question I've been seeing a lot: the time skip from Ep 25 wasn't that big. Grave and Ellie have been dating for about 4 months. They had their first date, then started dating enough to hold hands and be comfortable with each other, but that's it. Both of them, especially Grave, are super busy, so there have been weeks / a few months where they couldn't hang out. 

Grave is basically an armed detective. He finds people, but the people he searches for aren't always criminals. He mentions the missing persons case he's working on in Ep 11. You will learn so much more about that later on. Time has passed, but they're limited by how much they can actually see each other, so that's why Grave doesn't feel comfortable getting intimate with Ellie yet, even though he really wants her. Remember: this is a man who's grown up around war, grew up through an abusive foster care system, and lived on the streets as a teenager. Then he was thrown back into war against his own country as a young adult. He's not going to open up that easily, though I feel he's already told Ellie quite a lot.

I'm only on Ep 30. My comic has been going for a little over a year, and I didn't go full time until this year. Other featured comics have been going on for years and their characters still haven't done it. I can think of one that's super popular. It's been going on for 5 years and the characters just became intimate. I don't understand why people are frustrated with my characters, but not others. 

This isn't a matter of will they or won't they, it's—Grave is psychologically messed up and needs time. 

Comments

ac1d_TigR

Bro just didn't wanna have sex

Ioana Sofonea

🥰🥰🥰 thank you for sharing! Hugs and 🍪🍪🍪

Mariah Fuller

I think it’s perfect. So what if they don’t get busy at first chance. And it’s nice to see grave be such a respectful partner

apw

Haters gonna hate!!! We love you and support your timing on your comic 🥰 Your characters are so in-depth and the slow burn romance is incredible. This story you've created is amazing 👏🏼 You da bestttttt!!! Keep it up 🤩

Melisa

Not everyone is into the whole slow burn thing, but personally I think it just adds to the romance/intimacy. I think it’s sweet he doesn’t want to open up yet in fear he might hurt her, def worth the wait

Kayla Luce

I'm patient and I know a few that take a very slow burn so I get it. Story is more important

Monica

You got some horny ass fans girlie, those other comics keep us high and dry and you give the goods! Totally understand your thought process and respect that you are having him wait to make sure he doesn’t hurt her or himself, you’re true fans appreciate this as it is character development, but you have a lot horny biiishes out here want to see that massive thing break Ellie apart too lol love you girlie, keep Grave and Ellie coming ❤️❤️❤️

Bonny Rozzi

This generation and their instant gratification!? 🙄The suspense and angst are some of the best parts! This is your story...do you. I appreciate the story line. It's real.❣️

TinyNomz

Honestly it makes perfect sense to me. Despite all the horror he's seen, Grave is fundamentally a decent human being. He's self aware enough to know that while a roll in the hay with Ellie would be physically fun, he wants more then that and he wants to be ABLE to handle that. The respect between the two is one of my favorite things about them. I think you're doing an absolutely beautiful job.

Kayyyyy

The speed ur going at is just fine!

Christiana Ares-Christian

I love the story! While I’m a lover of smut, I love story more. It’s also refreshing to see a love story where the characters don’t immediately jump on each other. Keep doing you, author! We enjoy your story so much we supported you to go full time, which is a win for us fans! 😘😘💜

Elizabeth Tucci

Love it the way it is. Keep on with your storyline, I’d rather have the buildup and get to know the characters better than it be wham bam and done. 😉

Iriolan

F@$k all that noise! I'm reading one that 100+ episodes in and the characters are no where near sex. It's your art, your story. Your characters. It's going the speed it needs to for your story and for you covey what your are trying to convey. There is nothing else you have to or should take into consideration unless ot serves your purposes. People are so used to instant gratification they forget not everything is dispensed like a vending machine. Keep doing you, cause its great. The best time of my week is when I get a notification of new pages.

Mireya Rivera

Thanks for the clarification, but don't worry about the opinion of a few. We are just anxious to see "more of them" because we like them and want them to progress with each other. That means we love your story and are invested in it. Don't take those comments too serious. This is not porn that don't have any plot. Some of us, do like the stemminess, but also are more curious about the story. 😘

Anthalialovel25

I just HAVE to write a comment. Dear creator/artist/human! Take your time w the story, no rush here. We are happy w the nsfw content and main reason why I joined this Patreon is due to your talent. Don’t pay attention to them , stick to your story and the timeline. Now for the ppl whom are being desperate,... CHILL OUT, LET THEM DO THEIR THING, STOP BEING SO RIDICULOUSLY PATIENT. NOT EVERY ARTIST HAS THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO PLEASE EVERY SICK MIND. nuff said Proud of you for taking a stand.

Bresha

Honestly I’m enjoying the story intimacy is more than just about sex more like communicating,trust, and learning more about the person and what they’re truly struggling with as a human being🤞🏾! Creator tell the story how you see fit and we as the readers will accept anything you can share with us!

Amber

Babes, please dont explain yourself anymore. People being impatient comes with the job, but we all know youre going to go the pace that you want to go. You're doing just fine and your crowd/fanbase will go through the process with you and stay. ❤️✨ Keep your focus, keep up the good work. Love yew 😘😘

Robin L

I love this story! I love that they are taking their time and not jumping right into bed. Keep up the great work. 💗💗

Elizbeth Lavoie

Thank you so much for writing about how PTSD and trauma can affect the creating and cultivating of relationships. Not everyone understands because they haven't experienced events that have effected them in this way. This puts such depth and substance into your story. Thank you and we support you and your wonderful story telling!

ShiftyRacoon

It's a pleasure to watch your process. Thanks for this info, although I did feel like it was clear. I hope it helps others. It's your story, your characters move at the pace that feels right and authentic to you. 🤘🖤

Andrea JPaulley

Tbh I don't really give a goddamn but I have seen plenty of people mad at the characters in other stories for not being intimate for so long. However, I may be more satisfied but that doesn't make me hate it so idk what people's problems are 😐. Although I can't wait to see him IN THEM GUTS, I appreciate you giving him some damn depth. So your speed is fine but I am on Patreon so I gets to see ERRTHANG even though they haven't had sex yet 🤣🤣🤣.

Taylor Ann

I love the way it is. It’s rare that a male character is written like Grave so I am all for it!

Devon Svoboda

I love your story line and how you are handling the psychological issues. Take your time with the story and develop it as you want as the artist.

Lady LaVey

You don't need to keep explaining yourself, your writing a great story and, in a way a slice of real life, PTSD can hurt you in a lot of ways you don't realize. Feel that with him on a personal level. Its not always shiny and nice. But you are laying the ground work for characters that will stand the test of time. No need to over explain to people how may never get it. Go at your speed only, your fans will always be here. Love 😘

Sara Malfitano

Honestly I find it incredibly endearing that Grave cares enough about Ellie to not just jump in bed with her when he isn't comfortable yet. I like that Grave feels comfortable enough with Ellie to tell her that he's not ready yet and that Ellie was so respectful of how he felt. I really enjoy the story exactly how it is. I want to read the story you created the way you want it told. I think its perfect the way it is and I'm sorry people are giving you a hard time about it. Sex isn't the ultimate form of intimacy and a lot of people seem to forget that. You're doing an amazing job! You're work Is incredible and your art is stunning! Your characters are lovely and I so enjoy their personalities.

Tiki Dreams

I personally love it! If people want to see them get it on. You have so many other extra steamy art for their desire I am more happy with the story because it feel more intense and keep me more intrigued

Lindsay Scott

I really appreciate that you have taken the time to address that people's trauma can really mess with their heads - to the point where they can be insecure or not feel worthy of receiving love from another person. I love the relationship that Ellie and Grave have and am happy to let you take us along on their journey. Thank you for all your efforts, I am looking forward to what comes next.

Rachel Walker

I am here for the slow burn especially when it involves deep character development. There’s enough pwp out there if those bothering you need that. I know they get to you but they are a minority and the rest of us are all about the story you are telling.

Randy Angie

I picked that up, and it's beautiful. That's better than going full force into a relationship with unresolved trauma then traumatizing the person you love.

Cynthia Moore

I don’t think people are angry or disappointed in the characters. I think it is natural for people to be passionate about their ships. I ship these two for sure. I think we all appreciate the sexual tension and that they both have reasons for their actions — your pacing and your character development are evident in their behavior. It’s natural for some people to express their support in imperfect ways. I think most people are celebrating these two and get caught up in their obvious desire for each other. It isn’t a criticism of you or them to point out or encourage them (imagine if Grave had a male friend who would root for him — “come on she’s perfect go get her!” That friend usually immediately backs off at any real sign of distress and doesn’t mean to push his friend maliciously— but is really rooting for him and wants him to have all the things. Keep writing how you feel you should tell the story. We support you and are loving it. Don’t get discouraged by people expressing their opinions or rooting / criticizing characters— it is a sign they are connecting with your characters. That is a great sign. When it does happen, it is going to be beautiful. We’ll wait, even if we might express impatience or excitement along the way.

Maxine

I totally appreciate the fact that they are taking their time. It was obvious, I thought, that time had passed between having dinner and then breakfast that first time and now. You show them in town doing cute couples stuff and they even say they don’t get to see each other for long periods of time. I love the pace they’re at and I like that they aren’t just going at it. As much as that would be enjoyable, I like when couples actually dig deep into who they are with the person they are dating before getting too physical. And it’s important for Grave to sort through his issues before getting tangled up in their emotions. He has a lot to unpack. And I love that she’s being patient with him. ❤️❤️

PixelatedLove (。♡‿♡。)

Yes, this comment is right on. Seriously, this is the perfect description to what I can see happening with other people reading this and myself as well. Ppl do express the way they like something different than others. So if you see criticism or anger at the characters for the way they have been dealing with the relationship progression, I would not take it in a negative way. Not at all. Honestly, the way I see it is... If ppl are talking about it then you are doing something right. Your story is reaching so many people, be proud of that and go at your own pace. ☺️ There isn't anything wrong with a good slow burn.

Markie

I love the way things are progressing between them. It is adorable and you can tell he really cares for Ellie. Don’t let others negativity bother you. You’re doing great! ❤️

Nicole Hurley

Don’t be misled, people are frustrated with other people’s characters too! 😂 because it seems like a lot of people who read web comics think they can write a better story than the authors they’ve followed for years. Some of the things people think are wild and what’s even more wild are the negative opinions they decide to share. I was thinking about why people are reacting this way the other day when I saw some silly comments and I thought of a couple things. First, things did go from 0 to 100 relatively quickly, pushing way past slow burn territory, so most people probably expected a pay off, because once things usually pick up like that in web comics it ends with physical intimacy, but you are right to say it usually takes muuuuuch longer to get to this point. With that being said, since it usually takes longer to get to the point where Ellie and Grave are now, the reader usually sees a lot more character development and has more context regarding why the characters are making certain decisions. In this case, readers didn’t have that same build up so that might be where some confusion is involved. Second, in most web comics the characters adhere to gender normative roles, as in, the male character is the one pushing for more physical intimacy while the female character is the one resisting it because she has stuff to process and/or she’s a virgin. You went and flipped those roles and apparently it made everyone lose their damn minds 🤣. I’ve seen a similar reaction to other web comics when the strong male character is vulnerable or when gender normative roles are challenged. That’s a societal problem not yours and you shouldn’t have to explain the reasoning behind your character development. Also, like I said before I think people are identifying with Ellie as the one who put herself out there to get a response that she (and most readers) didn’t expect, no matter how noble Grave’s reasoning is, it still kind of feels like a rejection, even though it’s not. I would challenge people who are bothered by Grave’s decision to switch their roles in your head, imagine he was the one pushing and she wasn’t ready, I bet there would be a lot less, “Come on, just go for it!” comments. With all this being said, you don’t need to compare the pace of your story to others, nor do you need to justify your decisions regarding your characters or their development. I can’t understand how it feels to work hard on something that I assume is deeply personal as these are YOUR characters only to have it critiqued in such a way. But, like so many others have said, we enjoy your story the way you intended it to unfold, try not to let peoples negative opinions sway you too much. Also, I think a good majority of Webtoon comments come from 12 year olds so take them with a grain of salt lol.

Mar1

Truth be told it makes me really uncomfortable when characters move too quick into an intimate relationship. And lots of time those characters then feel awkward after those moments and it slows their progress as a couple. An important thing that many people forget is that webcomics are not real and it is not always a true representation of a real world relationship. And so when a comic like yours comes around and portrays a more realistic relationship people obviously don’t know how to act😅 I love your work and follow you here because knowing you’re making what YOU want makes me enjoy it even more!

Nicole Nosek

Of course, there is this typical reaction when boy and girl get closer and the sexual tension is so big that if they actually don’t do it, you go: „Nooooo!“ or „Whyyyy?“ That’s because we are naughty and have no problem showing it… 😏😉 But I really was never frustrated with your characters! 👍🏼 I was a fan of your art and story from the first hour and will definitely be in the future! ♥️

Mira Love

Im glad that grave is holding out because everything is so sexualized now a days, hes a rare breed definitely if only more men were like grave

Carmen Luanglue

Yeah not everyone has sex on the second date like some people... (I asked to see his cat)! In all seriousness, I'm so sorry you feel you have to defend yourself, I'm sure it's exhausting. Please know that they don't speak for all of us. Keep your head up! "You nice, keep going!" 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

Jamie Post

See i think you needed to explain the time because that may have been causing the confusion. Not so much what's wrong with your character but more like if they only been dating four months, makes sense but the time jump made it seemed longer since we know he's a bounty hunter that is gone months at a time.

Bugalum

I can’t wait to see more. I started your webtoon on random and I just read whatever was up in one go and insta subscribed to your Patreon. Keep up the good work 💖💖💖

~LostSoul~

I absolutely love your comic!! Don't listen to the thirsty haters!! Your explanation makes sense why Grave is the way he is. Again love your story...keep it going love!😉💖

A G Wong

People will always find reasons to complain. Your art, your rules! Loving everything about your art and comic and we’ll he here, enjoying each update at a time ♥️

Sans

Echoing all the comments here regarding loving this the way it is. The slow burn, the focus on getting to know who you’re dating, priority of emotional well-being and working through personal trauma before doing the do for the sake of temporary gratification makes for much richer characters and a well rounded plot. Keep on keepin on, we love what you’re doing.

Cara Roxanne

I love the slow burn. It's exciting to be with you here, in the beginning, as you're weaving the tale of these two together. I'm along for whatever ride you, Grave and Ellie want to take us on.

Robin Lopez

I like your family pacing… take your time… they are from different places and it would take time. I understood the time hoop. I love that even though Grace is this big, strong warrior type he has this soft gentle side with Ellie . It’s your story tell the way you want too. The people that love will stick around and support you.

Erin

I love your pacing and just remember that you are the creator, not the fans. You're doing a fantastic job! Can't wait to read more! 💖

hinataharukun

I love the pacing and your work is lovely as is 💕

Ari Elle

Just a bunch of horny impatient people. The comics that bother me where the characters haven’t been intimate are the ones dragging along and not progressing the storyline either. If the storyline is moving along and developing and the characters are getting fleshed out and are coming into their own (like this one), I can get behind the slow burn.

Erika & Tim H.

I love the time frame you are taking with this and how you are building up their connection. Please keep up the wonderful work at your own pace. Thank you so much!!

Sara Schaefer

I’m aware of this… I just like expressing my opinion… I can wait. I’m sorry to be one of them who’s bothersome with stuff like “they need to f*** in the worst most delicious way possible” I’ll stop. I love you ajoji!

Nikki Dee

I dont get why people will actually get mad at a writer for not making the characters have sex i get its frustrating but theres always a reason. But i do appreciate the timeline explanation though its been a bit confusing but I still love the story so far

Pixie Starr

It’s your creation, go at your own steady pace. Forget the naysayers and critics they’ll only hinder your greatness 🙌🏽