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Today our journey through David Foster Wallace's complex novel continues, with us covering the events of pages 233-489. 

We're discussing flow states, the illusory world, coddling culture, wisdom in clichés, ecstatic religious experience, addiction, games, ambition, freedom, fanatical devotion, and much more.

Please do feel free to enjoy the discussion even if you haven't read up to these pages yet. I'm continuing to be mindful of staying away from spoilers for things that are explained later in the narrative.

Timestamps:

0:00 the resonance of Infinite Jest

3:00 fatal film as return to the womb

6:00 coddling in contemporary culture

9:00 symbolism of Joelle’s veil

12:00 reality beneath the illusory show

15:00 existing in the phenomenal world

18:00 freedom, fatalism, will, history

21:00 what is the meaning of life?

24:00 Joelle, Infinite Jim & fatal film

27:00 Joelle overdoses on Too Much Fun

29:00 the Ecstasy of Saint Teresa

32:00 markers of religious experience

34:00 spiritual pleasure is painful

37:00 the films of James Incandenza

41:00 DFW’s concern of pretension

44:00 communicating over the phone

47:00 flow states & being in the zone

50:00 why did DFW end his life?

52:00 the subjective relativity of time

55:00 superstitious belief & exformation

58:00 subject, object, & gaze of the other

1:00:00 DFW goes for the gross-out

1:02:00 on the death of James Incandenza

1:04:00 Hal Incandenza flunks grief therapy

1:06:00 Whitmanian substance in Infinite Jest

1:09:00 Oedipus complex & feminine archetypes

1:13:00 destiny, determinism, freedom to choose

1:15:00 playing as loving communication

1:17:00 sporting pursuits as religious experience

1:21:00 ‘I came to learn to live by clichés’

1:24:00 giving it away & paying it forward

1:28:00 the wisdom of the Lord’s prayer

1:30:00 the benefit of hitting rock bottom

1:32:00 identifying/empathising with others

1:34:00 DFW’s descriptions of addiction

1:37:00 how to look after yourself properly

1:39:00 recovery as inverse of drug addiction

1:42:00 how to pray to a God you don’t believe in?

1:44:00 on thoughts following on from actions

1:46:00 treading the line between faith & nihilism

1:49:00 Rémy and Steeply discuss freedom

1:51:00 if there are no limits, there is no freedom

1:53:00 good for the individual vs the group

1:54:00 what does the word freedom even mean?

1:58:00 delayed gratification/enlightened self-interest

2:00:00 fanatically devoted to the game of Eschaton

2:05:00 on the anxiety of nuclear annihilation

2:07:00 a parody of geopolitical absurdity

2:10:00 self-destruction of Eric Clipperton

2:14:00 what are you making of Infinite Jest?

Resources to Explore:

  • Flow States: The psychology of flow states, or being 'in the zone,' is fascinating to explore parallel to one's reading of Infinite Jest. If you haven't checked out Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's classic work on optimal performance and peak experience, then I highly recommend it. He also has an incredible Ted Talk in which he discusses flow as the secret to happiness and explores what makes life worth living.

  • Sculpture Appreciation: If you can't make it to the church of Santa Maria della Vittoria in Rome just yet, you can still view and appreciate Bernini's exquisite rendering of religious ecstatic experience online. This video is particularly wonderful and comes with an enlightening commentary.

  • Eschaton: Many readers have said that the Eschaton passage is responsible for breaking the book open for them (many have also said quite the opposite). For an incredible depiction of what the game would look like, check out this music video for The Decembrist's 'Calamity Song.'

  • Short Stories: David Foster Wallace has three short story collections: Oblivion, Brief Interviews with Hideous Men, and Girl with Curious Hair. They all have great short stories, but I'd recommend starting with Oblivion. Layering a writer's short stories into your big read is a great way to deepen your appreciation of them.

  • Film Follow Up: Many directors and films are named dropped in the novel. You might find it a fun exercise to choose the next film you watch from the directors DFW mentions. Here are some choice cartridges for your viewing pleasure: Peterson/ Broughton, Dali/ Buñuel, Deren/Hammid, Antonioni, Tarkovsky, Ozu, Bresson, Fellini, Peckinpah, De Palma, Tarantino.

  • Road Trip with DFW: If you enjoyed the film 'The End of the Tour,' you might like the transcripts of Rolling Stone journalist David Lipsky's discussions with David Foster Wallace in this book: Although Of Course You End Up Becoming Yourself.

Reading Assignment:

A huge congratulations on making it this far into Infinite Jest. Our next discussion will cover up to page 795 of the novel. You can identify it by the paragraph break and the line, 'The most distant and obscure Tuesday P.M. Meeting'.

Questions for You:

1) What can books do that films cannot? And vice versa? Do your favourite films and books have anything in common?

2) What is your personal experience with flow states? How do you get in the zone?

3) How are you finding the reading experience this far into the novel?

4) Do you identify with any of David Foster Wallace's characters?

If this is your first reading of Infinite Jest, I would love to know how the story is meeting your expectations. If this is a reread for you, what is it like returning to the story? And please do share with us your favourite passage from this part of the story.

Happy reading, everybody!

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Shelley Riden

I'm on page 511...On the one hand, I'm having full body experiences of what I call "thinking a new thought", which is my favorite, favorite thing: a thought I've never had before. I am not, however, always clear what that thought is; it's like it's happening in the back of my consciousness. Interesting and fun, as I self-observe. On the other hand... I don't get the funny part to which several have referred. I find the descriptions depressing and icky. As I imagine myself with the characters and in the described environs, I often recoil. So... I find the book both enlightening and deeply uncomfortable. I suppose that's the intention. Now. The Eschaton chapter! I fall on the side of hating it. Two subjects I find least engaging are competitive sports and war. I think I lack the competitive gene, so I was always going to find this chapter uncomfortable. I remember going to a college football game with a friend (in the southern USA) and sitting with my jaw on the floor the whole time. People's veins were popping, as they SCREAMED at the players. I had never seen anything like it, and I couldn't figure WHY people thought this game was so important! So, that's me; I suppose I am never meant to fully "enjoy" this book. I will be glad to have read it, but, with widely interspersed exceptions, I'm not loving it.

Laurie Stone Haskell

Hello everyone. I have had a very hard time reading this book. I just can't stay with it. I loved the film that Ben recommended at the beginning but I just can't stay focused with the book. I had to put it down. I may pick it up and try again or I may wait for the next book selection. Thanks to everyone for their participation and input.

Diana Maize

I finished the book and want to start reading it again but, I am behind on the other reads. I liked the book from beginning to the end.

Brian Wood-Koiwa

Has anyone else found this site depicting Lego scenes from the book? - brickjest dot com

Elise Sands

Finally made it halfway! It's been a slog. I love it. I hate it. I love to hate it. I'm glad you mentioned Eschaton. I had no idea what was going on through that whole long section but thanks to you I'm starting to appreciate it. My problem is that I haven't always seen how the different sections interconnect thematically. Fantastic lecture as always.

Elise Sands

On flow state, I have always found it a bit terrifying. For me, it's like opening a vault of the brain which is usually closed and it's akin to the feeling of being overstimulated.

Michelle Forsyth

I never thought I would join Patrion until I found this on YouTube, so thank you Benjamin. I started reading Infinite Jest once before, and made it about a hundred pages in. I have been writing now for a number of years and feel that, in my fifties, I am ready to read some of the difficult books I have been putting off.

debra

Thanks, Ben. I *am* celebrating and congratulating myself for getting to the halfway mark on Infinite Jest. I knew very little about David Foster Wallace before joining the Club, and I'm sure I never gave a thought to reading this book. I'm not even sure I'd heard of it. It's been a long but satisfying journey thus far, and I can't wait to get back to it. NOTE: Please beware, there are minor spoilers ahead. Like other readers, I find some passages so easy to read while others required an effort of will. At first, I thought it was that I didn't like the parts that dwelt on tennis or the convos between Steeply and Marathe or long inexplicably detailed descriptions (especially about the grounds of ETA), but I'm finding less and less of it difficult to engage with the further I read. I did get bogged down in the Eschaton. I could visualize it, but I could not follow all the detailed maneuvers. I thought it would never end. Then when it did, by breaking out into actual personal fighting, well, I expect there is deeper meaning there and repercussions will follow. I've enjoyed the long phone calls between Hal and Orin. The way they communicate is fascinating. It feels like conversations you have with some people who you know aren't listening, and you just might not be listening to them either. I'm still not sure, though, if Hal was really cutting his toenails or not! I also feared that Don's drive to pick up eggs would never end. In fact, I'm not sure it does. The little pragmatist that sits on my shoulder when I try let myself go with fiction was incredibly agitated and full of questions and observations the entire time. Why would anybody drive their boss's car like? Why would anybody who'd been through what he's been through risk hitting a pedestrian, getting a ticket (even with a carefully thought out route), wrecking his boss's car, ending up a paraplegic himself? How could he drive that far and take so long to buy eggs without anyone raising an eyebrow about why it took so long? Why would DFW spend so much time describing the neighborhoods? Sure, it might be interesting to those who know Boston. Or maybe, is it a universal depiction familiar to anyone who has spent much time at all in a sprawling metro area? But then, slyly and suddenly, we're in an entertainment store and end up with two brothers brutally murdered; and I really want to know if Dan ever got the eggs delivered to the women who, like myself, were picky eaters. And don't forget Orin and his interest in "Helen" Steeply! How can that even be happening? Time will tell. There is so much depth to it, that I've only scratched the surface. I feel certain that I'm going to want to read this book again to dwell more on the deeper meanings and philosophical connections having gotten some understanding at the highest level under my belt. This was another great lecture, and I am looking forward to III and IV!

Angelina

I've started over, trying never to abandon a book, that's me. So, what really helped to make sense (I was in utter confusion about the timeline! And struggling very much) is to start reading a few episodes in the right order and then ...it clicked! And it seemed a waste, not to try and read it in the way defined by DFW! So I took it up for the third time! 💪 I'm happy, proud and halfway through! I just feel so sad that he took his life, as Ben always says, thinking of all the beautiful books he could still have written, it just breaks my heart. Also thinking of his relationship to his father, I couldn't find any information, but I would be curious to know, as this 'Himself' gives us more than a clue really 💔

Angelina

Great comment! I did feel the same with Gately's car ride, but I am very proud to be reading on.

Orel P.

My man talked about literally every book in existence except infinite chest