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Today our journey through David Foster Wallace's complex novel continues, with us covering the events of pages 489-795. 

We're discussing copies vs originals, symbolism, the unconscious, simulacra, simulation, spectacle, circularity, nostalgia, pleasure machines, representation vs reality, devouring mothers, fatal entertainment, and much more.

Please do feel free to enjoy the discussion even if you haven't read up to these pages yet. I'm continuing to be mindful of staying away from spoilers for things that are explained later in the narrative.

Timestamps:

0:00 our journey through Infinite Jest continues

2:00 searching for the film’s Master Copy

4:00 read-only copies of the Entertainment

6:00 Anthony Burgess & David Foster Wallace

8:00 becoming lost and empty of intent

10:00 difference between books & films

12:00 active reading vs passive viewing

14:00 symbolism as language of unconscious

16:00 August Kekule, benzene, snake symbolism

18:00 why does the unconscious speak in pictures?

19:00 evolution of language as parasitic invasion

20:00 considering the theory of linguistic relativity

22:00 your unconscious dreaming mind is wise

24:00 James Incandenza’s childhood memory

27:00 circularity, doorknobs & annularity

29:00 Baudrilliard’s simulacra & simulation

31:00 a world where symbols that don’t signify

34:00 concept that the map is not the territory

37:00 when the word ‘depression’ loses meaning

39:00 ‘the world becomes a map of the world’

41:00 the development of representation

44:00 on the decline of first-hand experiences

46:00 how we can counteract the spectacle

48:00 discovering secret allusions in the novel

49:00 burning always with a hard gemlike flame

51:00 we want the real thing and we want it now

53:00 nostalgia and returning to pre-digital life

55:00 the decline of the Blockbuster experience

58:00 Orin Incandenza’s Oedipus complex

1:00:00 the archetype of the devouring mother

1:02:00 when the patriarch is pathological

1:04:00 Avril & Jim mess up Orin & Hal

1:06:00 Orin uses Joelle to communicate with Jim

1:08:00 television that Orin Incandenza misses

1:11:00 DFW predicts the WFH phenomenon

1:14:00 pleasure machine thought experiment

1:17:00 are we ultimately living in a simulation?

1:19:00 ‘density plus realism might be too much’

1:22:00 Steeply’s loses his father to MAS*H

1:24:00 television as symptom not cause of solipsism

1:26:00 who is sending out copies of the film?

1:28:00 Rémy Marathe enters Ennet House

1:29:00 when fictional characters become self-aware

1:31:00 ‘they fool your mind with machines…’

1:33:00 the existential crisis of Hal Incandenza

1:35:00 Mario cannot tell whether Hal is sad

1:37:00 the communication of Madame Psychosis

1:39:00 Mario Incandenza yearns for real talk

1:41:00 the troubles of Ortho Stice/the Darkness

1:43:00 Hal binge-watches Himself’s cartridges

1:45:00 addiction, masking & not being heard

1:48:00 Don Gately steps in as protector

1:50:00 when reality suddenly feels unreal

1:55:00 Don Gately gets shot in sobriety

2:00:00 what is on the film Infinite Jest?

2:03:00 woman who kills you is next life’s mother

2:05:00 what are you making of the novel?

Resources to Explore:

  • The Pale King: As we approach the end of this novel, if you have been enjoying Infinite Jest, you may want give some thought to picking up another of David Foster Wallace's works. The Pale King is unfinished, as he sadly passed away during the writing of it, but it's incredibly profound, beautifully written, and showed that DFW's craft was only going to get deeper.

  • TV & Film: If you've been following up the TV shows and films mentioned in Infinite Jest as you read, you may like to spend some time with MASH. If you're in the mood for a film, then A Clockwork Orange would be a complementary one. You could also check out one of Dave's favourite directors, David Lynch, who he has a great essay about in 'A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again.'

  • Essay Pairing: You can check out Cormac McCarthy's fascinating essay we mentioned on the unconscious and the problem of language here: 'The Kekulé Problem.' Cormac also discusses the unconscious in this interview with Oprah.

  • Short Story & Philosophy: You can read the mentioned ultra-short but intensely resonant Jorge Luis Borges story 'On the Exactitude of Science' here. And Will Self gives a great reading of it here. If you're interested in Baudrilliard, his work on simulacra and simulation is here. And Robert Nozick's writings are here. For a hilarious discussion on the experience machine, treat yourself to this.

Reading Assignment:

A huge congratulations on making it this far into Infinite Jest. We're on the home stretch now. Our next discussion will take us right through to the end of the novel, so enjoy the ride and continue bringing yourself powerfully to this work.

Questions for You:

1) What do you miss? What are you nostalgic for?

2) Have you discovered anything insightful from your dreams?

3) Would you find yourself tempted to view the Entertainment?

4) What would David Foster Wallace make of our current state of entertainment?

If this is your first reading of Infinite Jest, I would love to know how the story is meeting your expectations. If this is a reread for you, what is it like returning to the story? And please do share with us your favourite part from this part of the story.

Happy reading, everybody!

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Kevin McKenna

Did anyone else find themselves laughing at the exchange between Mario and LaMont Chu (page 759) His innocence and goodness in a world of addiction and unrest is so refreshing. It’s interesting to think of these as being different parts that lived inside DFW.

Svetlana Monroe

I.. finished the book and (as it intends) went on a second round, but I had a phase transition in my approach to reading. The second time around - no emotions, my disgust of the graphic depictions of gross things (that I had big issues with before) didn’t disappear but rather became kind of medical, estranged. Why - because I shifted into the mode of Sherlock-Holmesy search for clues to make sense of the events and characters, for Hamlet references and more. And then, after realizing that there is no end to it (as intended) and I am supposed to keep circling - it stopped being Entertaining - so I quit with the book. But got a couple of literature (neuroscience) reviews on mechanisms of addiction. Ben -amazing lectures, they make me see and appreciate many layers in DFW writing, and most of all- teaches to look for these layers.

Walker Rowe

Can't believe you read it twice, or attempted the second tour. I finished it today after 50 days. Something like 1.5 hours per day to read 20 pages each day. What a heavy lift. It took time away from all the other stuff I am supposed to do every day. Then to get to the end and realize there's no end. Writing was brilliant at times and dreary at others. I think I'm not a fan of postmodernist literature at all. Don DeLillo White Noise and Thomas Pynchon Inherent Vice just sounded like a bunch of ridiculous noise. I think I prefer Shakespeare.

Terri Matter

I just read the episode re Bruce Green and how he sees Lenz perform canine butchery. I want to not read these segments that deal with horrific animal abuse. But they are intermingled with sentences that are so critical to understanding scene and character that I am afraid to skip them. This whole episode is so brilliantly written and provides so much insight into Green’s personal agony (his traumatic association with Polynesian music) that I am awestruck, but overwhelmed with horror and pain. I am still unsure whether I will be able to finish this book.

Christopher Tiernan

I really like the manifesto about living well that Benjamin shared by Walter Pater from “The Renaissance: Studies in Art and Poetry,” ending with “To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life.” I had to Google Pater who I never heard of before to see he died in 1894. I can envision him sitting around with the Beat writers in San Francisco in the 1950s to 1960s. The segment Benjamin shared reminded me of one of my favorite Jack Kerouac lines, “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars." OK, back to IJ. I’m committed to finishing before the last lecture drops on Sunday. 🤓

Charles S.

For my in-person book club I just began reading “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” (Hunter S. Thompson). What a contrapuntal sensation to start that as I near the end of Infinite Jest!

Kevin McKenna

If anyone here is a fan of Kurt Vonnegut; I thought the annular fusion idea was similar to ice-nine in Cat’s Cradle. It’s ambitious and wildly creative to imagine an alternate world that is a direct result of what we’re doing now, and then creating a fictional invention that alters that path. I see a lot of Vonnegut’s black humor and satirical voice in DFW’s work. I wonder if he enjoyed his work, or considered it avant-garde.

Christopher Tiernan

I finished and I’m eager to listen to Benjamin’s next lecture more than any other. Bring it on!

Sean

Mario and Loach wow. Kind of wanted that to be the last page but I get the idea of going with Don

Christopher Tiernan

Does anyone know roughly when the HBC surprise Dickens novel of the year gets announced?

Angelina

Few pages from finishing today, beautiful and very informative lecture for such a monster of a read ♥️