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‘It’s in vain, Trot, to recall the past, unless it works some influence upon the present.'

Today we're discussing the captivating second volume of David Copperfield by Charles Dickens.

We’re talking about personal stories, class clash, knowing ourselves, symbolism, good vs bad angels, ghosts from the past, blind love vs true love, the writer's personal life, and much more.

As always, please do feel free to listen to this discussion regardless of where you are in the novel as I continue to be mindful of spoilers for later in the narrative.

Timestamps:

0:00 the development of character

2:00 value of reading bildungsromans

4:00 the storytelling impulse in us all

6:00 knowing others as knowing yourself

8:00 how to write your personal story

10:00 when classes clash in Dickens

12:00 ‘whey they suffer, they don’t feel’

14:00 pride goeth before destruction

16:00 Steerforth on willing & winning

18:00 philosophy of pity & compassion

20:00 oppressive colonialist linguistics

22:00 Dickens set up a women’s shelter

24:00 Em’ly, Ham, and Steerforth

26:00 why we are what we say & do

28:00 haunting locales of our youth

30:00 trapped in both the past & future

32:00 Steerforth’s byronic brooding

34:00 appreciating foils in literature

36:00 symbolism of Steerforth’s boat

38:00 others as mirrors up to ourselves

40:00 self-development & happiness

42:00 how to set & achieve worthy goals

44:00 the development of our vocation

46:00 Dickens the performer-storyteller

48:00 appreciating a humorous scene

50:00 David makes a fool of himself

52:00 embarrassed in front of Agnes

54:00 a battle of good vs bad angels

56:00 the perception of Agnes Wickfield

58:00 David falls in love with Dora

1:00:00 first love of Charles Dickens

1:02:00 Dickens & Maria Beadnell

1:04:00 reading Dickens’ personal letters

1:06:00 Charles Dickens & Ellen Ternan

1:08:00 separation, scandal & controversy

1:10:00 Dickens the writer vs the man

1:12:00 the writer separates from Catherine

1:14:00 trauma, hiatus, ill health & death

1:16:00 purging obsessive love of the past

1:18:00 ghosts from the past in the present

1:20:00 characters who do not change

1:22:00 ‘ride on and win the race!’

1:24:00 melodrama & the death of Barkis

1:26:00 the types of Dickens’ characters

1:28:00 why are Victorian novels so big?

1:30:00 Steerforth & Emily run off together

1:32:00 role of women in David Copperfield

1:34:00 a Freudian reading of this novel

1:36:00 blind love vs deep spiritual love

1:37:00 discussing our next instalment

1:38:00 our Sigmund Freud discussion

1:40:00 what are you making of Dickens?

Resources:

  • Film Appreciation: Keep in mind that there are some wonderful film adaptations of Dickens' great novel. You might like to have one lined up as a reward for when you finish the story. You can go for a modern option with this recent adaptation starring Dev Patel, Tilda Swinton, Hugh Laurie, and Ben Whishaw. Or you could go for the black-and-white 1935 classic directed by George Cukor.

  • Explore: I always find it fascinating to explore the books we find protagonists in novels reading. David Copperfield references Daniel Defoe's Robinson Crusoe frequently. He also is influenced by Henry Fielding's Tom Jones and the works of Tobias Smollett, like The Adventures of Roderick Random. Of course, we also see Shakespearean allusions to the likes of Macbeth and Hamlet and Young Copperfield falls in love with the theatre at a production of Julius Caesar. You might find it a fun stretch goal to source out one of the books mentioned in David Copperfield and give it a go.

  • Contextual History: I came across a wonderful book in a second-hand bookstore a few years back that I have found myself returning to time and again: Dickens in His Time by Ivor Brown. This book covers so many fascinating sociocultural aspects of the writer's time, from school and prison to transport and entertainment. And, if you're interested in learning more about the darker later years of Dickens' life, and you're a fan of Claire Tomalin's biographical works, you may also fancy checking out the digestible and absorbing The Invisible Woman.

  • Exercise: If you were to write your own memoir, or imaginative literature inspired by your real life, where would you start? What would your first line be? What memories would you absolutely have to get down? What ghosts from your past would you like to purge? What people and events made you who you are today?

  • Lectures & Bookish Content: Our next David Copperfield lecture will be the weekend after this one, which will give us a good amount of time to clock those final pages, catch up with our reading, and really relish the climax of Dickens' story over the festive season. This weekend coming, we will have our discussion on Freud's The Interpretation of Dreams. Like with our previous Foundational Thinkers, this is designed to be an introductory lecture for both absolute newcomers and those returning to Freud, so you don't need to read anything in advance. But, if you'd like to get the copy I'm referencing in the discussion, I recommend the Oxford World's Classics paperback edition here. It will be very instructive to take the topics we learn about from Freud into the final part of David Copperfield. In the next few days, we will also have a lecture on Shakespeare's Cymbeline, and I will have a special discussion reviewing and drawing wisdom from all of the great books we've read together this year.

Reading Assignment:

Our next discussion will cover volume three of this novel, which takes us to chapter 64 and right through to the very end of the story. So continue to sink into the story and let's discover how David Copperfield ends together!

Questions for You:

1) Why do you think this story continues to be so popular?

2) Do you find Dickens' characters sympathetic, recognisable, or relatable?

3) What stood out the most to you from the middle of David Copperfield?

Happy reading, folks!

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Linda Hall

Times change, people don't! As long as that's even somewhat true, David Copperfield will continue to be popular. Look at the popularity of Demon Copperhead! We all have some of these characters in our lives, and we've all had troubles in family, love, and friendship. How could DC not be relatable? I absolutely LOVE Aunt Betsey. She's tough, compassionate, but not perfect. She is vulnerable and experiences loss, but keeps on keeping on. When Ben talked about David allowing Steerforth into his life and feeling guilty about introducing him to Emily & family, and how maybe we might feel guilt about such introductions, I was struck dumb. This happened to me, and I broke off with the friend nearly a year ago. She was my next door neighbor at the time, met my (now) husband, introduced us, and was our mutual friend since 2017. As she spent more time with our children and friend group, it became clear she had volatile emotions and could be verbally abusive. At our last meeting, we met for lunch and she went off on a loud and public rant about political topics...and our differences...and gave a very low blow, mentioning my cancer/surgery history in front of strangers. That was the end of the end, but I was indeed guilty of feeling that I had caused some level of damage by introducing her to people I cared about. The parallel didn't strike me until Ben talked about it. (Thanks, Ben!) The nice thing is that I felt fantastic as I realized it! Literature helps us in so many ways, and I am grateful to be part of this community. Happy Holidays!

mariah schneider

Well, I'm exactly a week behind on these lectures now. I had to slow down a bit to contemplate how David Copperfield is growing up and his blindness to aspects or certain people and himself. I think this story is so popular because it's a very relatable coming of age story, even in this day and age.

Jonathon Glover

Well, I finished up David Copperfield on Christmas Eve (looking forward to the final discussion) and couldn’t help myself, and listened to the Tim Curry audio of Christmas Carol - and it was wonderful. Merry Christmas everyone!!

Angelina

In the quiet of Boxing Day I finished listening to this excellent lecture. Once again I have to thank Ben for addressing one aspect of Dicken's life that really bothered me, namely the end of his marriage and his subsequent troubled relationship with his former wife. Once again you are right, so many writers and indeed so many artists had complicated personal lives. And who are we, their readers to judge their choices, their lives, their suffering. James Joyce, Sylvia Plath, Leo Tolstoj, Virginia Woolf, David F Wallace, Hemingway, the list never ends. The artist is special, his sensibility and the way he expresses it into his art is special. We are enriched by all the great books, by all their great work of art. The way they all dealt with the difficulties that life threw at them, is personal and really not for us to judge. We would like our heros to be perfect ...

Vida

This is a lovely post, Angelina. I think artists give us their best in their work and try to judge them by their best not their worst part.

Vida

Happy Holiday, Linda. I am glad that you were able to get out of that relationship.

Gail Rothschild

I love Tim Curry’s reading. Can’t help seeing Dr. Frank-N-Furter in Christmas drag. Happy Fifth Night!

Allan Torp Jensen

Uriah Heep would definitely be in the 9th circle as a traitor to benefactors.

Craig Mckissick

I think regarding the flat characters and whether that is realistic or not, my thoughts so far are this- For characters to be complex they must change over time. For this to happen they must go through different life changing experiences. But while you are living your life the people you spend time with will probably change at a similar rate to you or while you are with them not change that much, making it unnoticeable. Another factor is that people have a natural character that is always there. So combining these two points your perception of certain people in your life can appear as flat characters because they are side characters in your story. Also as children our perception of time is slower and our understanding of people is incomplete, so when Dickens is writing from the child’s perspective, complex characters could appear to a child as flat because a child has a different rate of change to an adult as they grow up fast. So yeah I disagree with flat characters being a criticism because they can be relatable from certain perspectives. If we go inside every characters head like Tolstoy it’s not realistic to the individual human experience, compared to Dostoyevsky where we don’t quite get the full picture and have to work things out for ourselves like real life. Now I love both styles, but I find that criticising art is like criticising someone’s thoughts. The art is a manifestation of someone’s life experience and they medium and ability of articulation may mean that you either relate to it or you don’t, but I believe it is immune to criticism, it just is.

Craig Mckissick

Another point I’ve just thought of is that when we tell stories of the past, each time we retell, the story can become more condensed, exaggerated or altered to enhance the sentiment of the story. During this process the characters of our tale, often us, our friends or family or whoever can be oversimplified to bring out the humour or melodrama or whatever the tone of the story. Which means with Dickens we often relate, certainly in the UK, because his stories feel similar to our own colloquial story telling traditions.

livelaughletgo

The story is wonderful and I do find myself looking over my own life as well. I’m also finding in my notes I’m making a list of words I don’t know. This story is expanding my vocabulary a bit. I call that a win. 🏆

Helen Lyons

Still working my way through the book but loving every minute. I love the characters - flat or complex. There are some great scenes and I could see that Steerforth would be trouble so it was no surprise to learn that Emily had fallen under his spell. How often are these charismatic characters also so deadly. Dickens is a delight to read, I woke up in the early hours of the morning (2am) unable to sleep so I read for a few hours to finish the volume. Dickens does inspire one to put down one's own memories. I wish I had written David Copperfield! On another note - I have two sons who are not really keen readers, which is ironic of course as I have hundreds of books. However my youngest looked around my library shelves and asked me what he should read. I convinced him to give The Count of Monte Cristo a chance. He was initially put off by the length but he was eventually convinced and to my delight he is loving it!

Ldawg44

What im hearing is that Charles Dickens would have loved tik tok.

Ldawg44

I would argue that Betsey Trotwood is a dynamic character who APPEARS to be a simple/flat character. I have been very interested in how Dickens uses her “hatred/rejection” of David as a boy in preference for his “sister” as a vehicle to explore her trauma from having an abusive husband. Whenever she gives her classic little catchphrases about hating men, it’s clear that a lot more is happening under the service that she isn’t willing to address. And then, as the book progresses, you can see that her relationship with David is helping her heal from that trauma, and that she is more willing to accept him as he is