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'See enemies everywhere. Distrust everyone, your friend, your brother, your mistress — above all your mistress.'

Welcome back to the exhilarating world of seventeenth century France, where we are continuing our journey to become a member of the King's musketeers.

Today we're discussing the history of the femme fatale, trickster archetypes, the picaresque genre, swashbucklers, chivalric romance, gothic literature, the figure of Cardinal Richelieu, nineteenth century bestsellers, the love life of Alexandre Dumas, and the miracle of literature.

As always, please do feel free to enjoy the discussion even if you haven't read these parts of The Three Musketeers yet. I'm refraining from plot details for later in the story, so you can enjoy our talk before, during, or after your reading in the way that best suits you.

Timestamps:

0:00 the swashbuckling continues

2:00 latest Count of Monte Cristo film

4:00 the universal trickster archetype

7:00 Cardinal as shadow trickster

9:00 influence of the picaresque genre

12:00 tracing a literary line from Homer

14:00 three horsemen of the Renaissance

15:00 what does swashbuckler mean?

17:00 beware the enemy that gives gifts

18:00 is our hero Homeric or Virgillian?

20:00 the evolution of gothic literature

22:00 Sir Walter Scotts Waverly novels

23:00 the fruits of the French Revolution

24:00 when the past bears upon the present

26:00 gothic presentation of Catholicism 

28:00 how to write a Victorian bestseller

29:00 the figure of Cardinal Richelieu

30:00 how to navigate a dangerous court

32:00 the history of the femme fatale

34:00 femme fatales in biblical literature

36:00 why the femme fatale resonates

37:00 primordial she-demon of the night

38:00 my interpretation of Genesis

40:00 defending the mother of mankind

42:00 a Shakespearean femme fatale

44:00 on Victorian female vampires

45:00 Ian Fleming & Raymond Chandler

46:00 the rise of the byronic anti-hero

49:00 difference of terror vs horror

50:00 seeing the world inside your mind

51:00 kidnapping of Mme. Bonacieux

52:00 a world full of angels & demons

53:00 mapping out the hero’s journey

55:00 where are you on your quest?

57:00 reunited with the musketeers

58:00 Homeric interpolated stories

1:00:00 the miracle of great literature

1:02:00 the romanticism of d’Artagnan

1:04:00 is our hero a reader of novels?

1:05:00 musketeer or man of God?

1:06:00 the religious thesis of Aramis

1:08:00 Dumas’ ecclesiastical satire

1:09:00 Catholic-Protestant differences

1:10:00 being in a madhouse of idiocy

1:12:00 Aramis vs Edmond Dantes

1:14:00 finding ourselves in fiction

1:16:00 going from Hamlet to Falstaff

1:18:00 the macabre backstory of Athos

1:19:00 branded with the fleur-de-lis

1:20:00 are the musketeers really villains?

1:22:00 male need for emotional support

1:24:00 d’Artagnan becomes a musketeer?

1:26:00 the musketeers prepare for war

1:28:00 duelling with Lord de Winter

1:30:00 realism, romance, absurdism

1:32:00 the monstrous nature of Milady

1:33:00 d’Artagnan, Milady, & Kitty

1:36:00 Milady as vengeance personified

1:38:00 the classic trope of the bed trick

1:39:00 thinking about the nighttime world

1:40:00 a scene of romantic subterfuge 

1:41:00 Alexandre Dumas’ love life

1:43:00 the sapphire ring of Milady

1:44:00 ‘do you take me for a weak female?’

1:46:00 Milady’s fury with d’Artagnan

1:48:00 who was the wife of Athos? 

1:50:00 d’Artagnan vs Cardinal Richelieu

1:52:00 reaching the siege of La Rochelle

1:54:00 war from love & private vengeance

1:56:00 Milady’s assassins vs d’Artagnan

1:58:00 leaving off on a cliffhanger

1:59:00 our next reading discussion

Resources to Explore:

  • Film Appreciation: I've seen a lot of love for the latest film adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo, directed by Matthieu Delaporte. This three-hour saga premiered at Cannes and received twelve minutes of applause, and it's not hard to see why. The cinematography, direction, and acting is superb. If you're in the mood for more Dumas, treat yourself to a viewing and let us know what you make of it.

  • Complementary: One can see in both The Three Musketeers and The Count of Monte Cristo that two of the most profound influences upon Alexandre Dumas were William Shakespeare and Niccolò Machiavelli. Othello and Hamlet are two plays that left the psychic residue in Dumas' mind, whilst one can discern the wisdom of The Prince everywhere in his fiction too. These works are slim but incredibly profound, so check them out if you have some time. Or you could have a listen to one of my discussions on them here, here, and here.

  • Rabbit Holes: We mentioned many of the different literary traditions that are winding together in the work of Alexandre Dumas. If you are keen to explore, I'd recommend picking just one tradition or genre that most fascinates you and plan to dip in to a representative work in the future. For the picaresque, there is Lazarillo de Tormes. For chivalric literature, why not go for Don Quixote's favourite, Amadis de Gaul? For the gothic, there's a slim option with Matthew Lewis' The Monk, and a meatier option with Anne Radcliffe's The Mysteries of Udolpho (and, indeed, we have a discussion on the rise of the gothic here). For history, you can't go wrong with Sir Walter Scott's Waverley, which I'm personally loving a reread of at the moment.

  • Swashbuckler Expansion: Are you in the mood for more swashbuckling adventures? If so, there are many great film adaptations of some of the best swashbucklers in the tradition. Here are a few that come immediately to mind for me: Cyrano de Bergerac, Zorro, The Scarlett Pimpernel, Robin Hood, and, of course, The Princess Bride. If you do check one of these out, let us know how you think they compare with The Three Musketeers. Another option: pick a classic James Bond or Detective Marlowe film and locate the influence of Dumas lurking in their thrilling narrative conventions.

  • Thank You: I'd like to say a huge thank you from the bottom of my heart for your incredibly kind words and beautiful well wishes in response to my news about expecting my first child. I'm saving all of the great advice and encouragement, which I'll draw a lot of comfort and strength from during the chaos, and am currently having fun stocking up the little one's future library with your amazing children's book recommendations. I'm so grateful for you all!

Reading Assignment:

Our next discussion will take us through to the exhilarating climax of this grand adventure, running to chapter sixty-seven and the epilogue. We will be discussing this breathtaking final leg of the journey this coming weekend.

Now we're finding out just how dangerous it is to live the life of a musketeer as we continue to accompany d'Artagnan, Porthos, Athos, and Aramis on this extraordinary adventure. So continue enjoying the story, making notes on any themes or ideas that capture your attention and imagination.

Questions to Consider:

1) What did you make of the latest instalments of The Three Musketeers?

2) Who is your favourite musketeer among the four inseparables?

3) Can you recognise the narrative techniques of Dumas in our modern popular entertainment? 

4) What do you think about the characterisation of Milady? And do you have a favourite femme fatale when it comes to the world of stories?

5) Do you enjoy stories that feature real historical events and figures?

And please do share with us your impressions, favourite passages, and striking ideas from the the latest events of novel. If this is your first reading, does the story meet your expectations? If this is a reread, is the experience any different this time around?

All for one, and one for all!

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Lily

I just now completed this journey with the musketeers. 😅 whew I don’t know if my racing heart can withstand more. I will nevertheless rejoin them upon receipt of my soon coming copy of The Red Sphinx. My ongoing leisurely read of Anna Karenina is a contrast I cannot fully represent with words. Tolstoy is the longest of deep relationships and Dumas is the infatuation and destructive affair that consumes everything but just for the briefest of moments, bright fire leaving soot and embers. I almost think I should save Dumas books for some other time when I need a proper bit of obliterating. See you all on Sunday my friends!

Diane

I know this is late in the game but I just finished the book and I'm on a high. My fave musketeers after d'Artagnan is defintely Athos. Yes, he is brooding, but his mentorship and protectiveness of d'Artagnan is so heartwarming. It feels like a father-son relationship. He feels responsible for d'Artagnan's trouble with Milady and is determined to take care of it. The brotherhood they all feel for each other is inspiring but the bond those two share is exceptional. Loved it.

Lily

Hi Diane! I also became very fond of Treville and Mm Bonacieux. I don’t want to spoil anything but I felt like Dumas shifted her character greatly by the end of the book making her somewhat unrecognizable to me. She had so much prowess and wit about her at first….of course what do i personally know about suffering detainment from the cardinal and how that may affect character. Still I missed that cheerful ferocity she possessed when we first met her.

Gary Gutierrez

I just finished and I did not anticipate it to end the way it did. Such major shifts of characters taking over the narrative. Athos, was by far my favorite and his lackey grimuad. I’m ready for the odyssey.

Kevin Baker

Yes, Benjamin! That was also my favorite part of the novel thusfar: Dumas' section about how your thoughts can make you seem to timetravel through a portal to your next destination. I absolutely loved that part, especially since I myself am constantly lost in thought and can even miss entire conversations that way xD. The thought that Dumas wrote that in 1840, and that people read that part back then, makes it even more brilliant.

Tom

Could someone please help me navigate this archaic and frustrating Patreon Engine. It feels like a social site run on stone knives and bearskins. In particular, a few weeks ago, someone sent me a link for a hilarious rendering of The Iliad entitled 24 Books in 24 minutes. I wanted to share this link with others, but cannot find it for the life of me. I search under my name and every Tom comes up. I search for "24 Books in 24 Minutes" and it just brings up a random Iliad lecture. So I start to leaf through the comments ... hundreds of comments in search of the needle in the haystack until utter frustration and a small amount of cursing sets in. If you cannot help me with the general search principles, could anyone who has the link in question simply send it to me. Thanks.

Valentina

Hi Tom, if it was in a comment someone wrote in response to you, you could retrace it clicking on the notifications bell on the bottom row of the app. And then click on whoever it was that sent it to you and it should take you straight to that message. Or if u remember which lecture it was you could scroll through the comments in that lecture

Tomas

I agree - these are the kind of sentiments and reflections that tap into the universal human consciousness and extend limitlessly, unbound by time. Thomas Mann in "The Magic Mountain" and of course Marcel Proust's "In search of lost time" are must reads for digging deeper into these types of ideas

Tomas

Benjamin mentions how Othello is an obvious influence for Dumas; I have just come across a line that brought to mind Othello's jealousy - in chapter XXIX with Porthos' amorous endeavours in the Church: "It was all chimera and illusion: but, even for an actual love, and for a well-founded jealousy, what other reality is there than illusions and chimera?" Compare with this from the Bard - Iago in Act III, Scene iii "Trifles light as air Are to the jealous confirmations strong As proofs of holy writ" Shakespeare's line is gorgeous in its poetry and delicate in its balance - it is one of my favourites. And note how Athos frequently refers to matters as mere "trifles"!

Peter F

My wife made her operatic debut as Salome at the marinsky theater. So this is the Richard Strauss version of Salome

Paula Baker

Well Dear Reader Friends, I have a confession to make.. whoever may read this. The Three Musketeers is a DNF for me. I read up to chapter 29 - I truly tried to like it but I simply do not like this book! It was a disappointment for me as I loved The Count of Monte Cristo and so was eagerly looking forward to this Dumas adventure. But... it simply wasn't my cup of tea. I had a hard time liking any of the characters - I did not pick it up eagerly to read. Surprisingly, it even bored me! I always feel guilty and elements of FOMO when I don't finish a book with the HCLB. Orlando by Virginia Woolf, and Tale of Genji were other reads which I read a good 40% but simply could not finish. And as much as I love Benjamin's lectures, I will even pass on the last lecture for The Three Muskateers. Sorry, Alexandre Dumas - this adventure just didn't excite me. In fairness, it is hard to compete with a read between The Iliad and The Odyssey. Homer is incredible! And I am loving Rebecca - such a fun read! So... I feel somewhat bad, but I will not finish this read. Maybe I'll watch the movie!

Angela Montgomery

I love the idea of Three Musketeers told from Milady's perspective. Both Athos and D'Artagnan treat her terribly.

Dinah

Dont feel bad, I just now finished this book. I started in November, and its the end of Jan! 🤣