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We're applying Freud's chapter on guilt from Civilisation and Its Discontents to Crime and Punishment.

Scorned though Freud often is, we do see a sense of consistency regarding his ideas of conscience, sin, and morality when we read Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche.

How much do you agree with Freud here? 

Timestamps:

  • 0:00 how does society render aggression harmless?
  • 1:20 aggression introjected and internalised
  • 1:45 super ego = conscience 
  • 2:00 tension between super-ego & ego = sense go guilt 
  • 2:10 sense of guilt = need for punishment
  • 2:40 the value of Freud 
  • 5:30 Freud on guilt as sin (and recognising evil)
  • 6:00 why is intention equated with the deed?
  • 8:40 motives for submitting to external influences
  • 9:30 loss of love as external punishment
  • 10:00 wider human community as parental replacement
  • 11:00 nothing can be hidden from our internal authority
  • 12:30 penance and punishing oneself 
  • 13:10 fate replacing parental authority 
  • 13:20 Mark Twain's theoretical vs practical morals 
  • 16:30 how I tried to find comfort and wisdom in the Bible
  • 19:30 how to really understand the Great Books (experience and suffering)
  • 20:00 what it means if you prefer Dostoyevsky to Tolstoy
  • 23:00 the Mandarin Paradox 
  • 23:50 the two origins of the sense of guilt 
  • 23:40 post-deed guilt and remorse

Happy psychologising!

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Freud, Twain, Dostoyevsky and GUILT (Civilisation and Its Discontents)

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Sharon xx

Fabulous lecture! Thoughts that came to me as I listened: - • Whether or not we buy into Freud’s theories the very act of disagreeing with him means that he has made us analyse, ponder and compare his works and hold them up against our personal experiences and findings. Right or wrong he’s challenging and thought provoking and that is always a positive in broadening our horizons. • Anticipatory guilt = our guilt for a deed not yet done, is maybe not for the deed itself but could be linked to a disbelief/incredulity that we could even entertain such a vile act [murder in the case of C&P and Rasko]? How could we stoop to such a level of brutality and a complete lack of regard for life and our fellow man? • Fear of loss of love as a form of external punishment. So, if that vile act were seen through to completion, would that not also lead to a loss of self-love, self-respect leading to self-loathing = internal punishment and, as Ben said, one far worse than anything anyone else can inflict on us emotionally because we cannot escape ourselves. • Thinking about the Mandarin Paradox – I didn’t know this had a name but I have heard of this paradox before. For me this is proof positive that, for the regular man or woman on the street, conscience is innate. Even if I knew I could get away with such a crime without any chance of punishment or retribution I couldn’t do it because I cannot escape myself and my internal dialogue and I would still not be able to live with what I’d done. No such thing as the perfect murder clearly! I believe that those without conscience are true psychopaths and wired very differently and probably incapable of rehabilitation. How can you rehabilitate someone who doesn’t believe that what they’ve done is wrong? • The Bible – I struggled with the bible until I read this opening line from the Prologue of the Rule of St Benedict – “Listen. . . . with the ear of your heart”. [I also loved the way that ‘ear’ is within the word ‘heart’.] So, now I read it for quality not quantity and I listen with the ear of my heart to what it’s saying to me; how it impacts my life and yes, carry that verse around with me until it stops being a verse and becomes a prayer. Thank you!

hardcoreliterature

Thank you so much, Sharon. I so love the insights you provide - really poetic, nuanced, and astute, but simultaneously down-to-earth. I read this comment out on the most recent Q&A, which is uploading as we speak and hopefully out today :)

Tom Pearsall

These are great thoughts! Thank you, Sharon. Your approach to the Bible definitely rings true to me even though I can't say I do the same myself.