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Deep Analysis of Persuasion: High Time to Get to Sea (Ch. XV - IX) (Patreon)

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2021-06-23 16:41:31
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We're almost at the end of Persuasion.

The sea beckons.

And we're using Aristotle's Ethics to unlock these mournful chapters. We're talking about sea-farers vs land-farers, high society "connections", good company vs the best company, and the quiet melancholy that pervades a peacetime Britain unknowingly on the cusp of resuming war.

Video Timestamps: 

  • 0:00 the sea narratives of Melville and Conrad
  • 0:40 everyone’s a widower, grieving, and without a home
  • 2:00 the opening to Moby Dick
  • 4:00 the constant murmur of “get to sea”
  • 4:30 the “plain women” of Bath
  • 5:00 the connexion of Lady Dalrymple
  • 6:30 accidental snubs in high society
  • 7:30 the difference between land-farers and seafarers
  • 9:00 “family connexions were always worth preserving”
  • 10:00 family and the binding of trauma
  • 12:00 being a “charming woman”
  • 14:00 Austen’s Wilde wit
  • 15:00 manners, decorum, and liberality
  • 16:00 Aristotle’s virtues
  • 17:40 is money the root of all evil?
  • 19:30 character ethics, faking it until you make it, and the self-help genre today
  • 24:00 giving with ulterior motives
  • 29:00 good company vs best company
  • 33:00 a welcome which depends so entirely on place
  • 35:00 meeting Miss Hamilton/Mrs Smith
  • 39:00 In Search of Lost Time and why we read Proust
  • 42:00 Turgenev’s ‘The Living Relic’
  • 42:30 escaping severe pain and recovering the blessing of health
  • 43:00 the tragedy of depressive episodes
  • 44:00 Austen’s beautiful sickbed behest
  • 45:00 “Elizabeth was disdainful, and Sir Walter severe”
  • 46:00 “one of five thousand Mrs Smiths”
  • 47:00 “a mere Mrs Smith”
  • 49:00 “I am no matchmaker”
  • 50:00 Shakespeare’s third sonnet

How are you enjoying Persuasion so far?

Do you find it useful to use these canonical philosophical texts to unlock the power of imaginative literature?

We used the Bible to unlock Dostoyevsky, Freud and Nietzsche to unlock Tolstoy, and soon we'll use Joseph Campbell's 'Hero's Journey' to map out Siddharta. 

But, first, we have unfinished business with Ms Anne Elliot and Captain Frederick Wentworth et al.

Happy reading, everybody!

P.S. We'll have the formal Shakespeare Live Reading Group announcement coming within the next day - thank you for being a part of it, and look forward to some Austen/Proust hybrid discussions.

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Deep Analysis of Persuasion: High Time to Get to Sea (Ch. XV - IX)

0:00 the sea narratives of Melville and Conrad 0:40 everyone’s a widower, grieving, and without a home 2:00 the opening to Moby Dick 4:00 the constant murmur of “get to sea” 4:30 the “plain women” of Bath 5:00 the connexion of Lady Dalrymple 6:30 accidental snubs in high society 7:30 the difference between land-farers and seafarers 9:00 “family connexions were always worth preserving” 10:00 family and the binding of trauma 12:00 being a “charming woman” 14:00 Austen’s Wilde wit 15:00 manners, decorum, and liberality 16:00 Aristotle’s virtues 17:40 is money the root of all evil? 19:30 character ethics, faking it until you make it, and the self-help genre today 24:00 giving with ulterior motives 29:00 good company vs best company 33:00 a welcome which depends so entirely on place 35:00 meeting Miss Hamilton/Mrs Smith 39:00 In Search of Lost Time and why we read Proust 42:00 Turgenev’s ‘The Living Relic’ 42:30 escaping severe pain and recovering the blessing of health 43:00 the tragedy of depressive episodes 44:00 Austen’s beautiful sickbed behest 45:00 “Elizabeth was disdainful, and Sir Walter severe” 46:00 “one of five thousand Mrs Smiths” 47:00 “a mere Mrs Smith” 49:00 “I am no matchmaker” 50:00 Shakespeare’s third sonnet

Comments

Kaushi
>>96899741

Perhaps Sir Walter loved his wife, Othello like, because “she did pity (his pains)”?

MaryEllen McLaughlin

I've just recently joined the book club and started with this series of lectures since Persuasion is a book I have read many times and have been listening to recently on LibriVox. One thing that struck me lately was Lady Russell's remarks here on Anne being the image of her mother contrasted with Sir Walter's thoughts back in chapter 1 ("and even in its height, her father had found little to admire in her (so totally different were her delicate features and mild dark eyes from his own) there could be nothing in them, now that she was faded and thin, to excite his esteem"). This ties in very well with the words of the sonnet, although Sir Walter doesn't have the emotional depth to see his wife in their daughter.

Jan Mariolle

MaryEllen, I appreciate your insight into how Sir Elliot fails to see his wife’s great qualities alive in in Anne. If one believes he grieves his wife, as suggested by the addition of the exact date of her death in the Baronetage, it is puzzling. For me to write off his behavior as mere vanity and narcissism would flatten out Austin’s creation. I plan to immediately reread this book as I am engaged in how each character carries their unique grief while getting on with life. Some characters are better containers than others. I find those able to rely on inner strength more appealing than characters such as Mary, who constantly push their trials on to others.