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Star Trek: Nemesis (2002) - Full Reaction (Patreon)

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End of an era :'(... You guys are too hard on these movies, I liked it! I might have love goggles on but great looking, a wedding, action packed, a surprise! Although I still don’t accept you know what.

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Star Trek: Nemesis (2002) - Full Reaction - Popcorn In Bed

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rakesh

2025 Picard Season 3. We have to go back!🙏🖖😮 I think the reason why I disliked lot was the ending. TNG needed perfectly with the poker table. It was the culmination of Thier journey and this left it on a cliff hanger because there were no more movies.. Picard Season 3 rectified that for me. It was the perfect bookend not only for the series, but the films. Directed by someone who obviously loved the show and it showed. I liken it to the rocky movies. The more sequels they had the drop in quality. It had to have a hiatus and rocky Balboa tied up everything perfectly. Picard Season 3 did the same. Cassie, if you don't watch it with us, watch it together with your dad. As you both enjoy the series., you'll appreciate how good it was together.

Abraham Walters
>>157028295

If gong to do P3 then she needs to watch the second last TNG episode if she hasn’t already, Pre-Emptive Strike, as it does have some relevance here

pickupthepieces

That's why to always make up your own mind and not mistake all these opinions for truth. Can't wait to watch it!

rakesh
>>157028295

I think she'll be fine. People have said she needs to watch all the ro episodes, and picard s1 and s2. Some wantt her to revisit tos, and of course the ds9 and voy ( no ent surprisingly enough!)she ain't got time for all that! We'll see. 10 episodes of Picard S3 is a big commit. She'll also have last of us s2 and I reckon she do Andor s1 and s2. So lots on her plate. Ill be happy just to get get Picard s3

ShazD

Hate this movie for so many reasons but mostly just because it doesn't actually really give me what I want. We loved the TV shows because of the characters working together to solve problems. This was just more Picard/Data action schlock where everyone is sidelined and miserable. Beverly Crusher particularly gets the short end of the stick - thank God that was rectified in Picard season 3 with her Central role. Oh and a million small reasons too like the ship being stupidly big and overpowered, the lame prime directive breaking buggy scene.... Just everything.

ShazD
>>157028295

Too messy to watch Picard season 3. She would be better off just getting a short synopsis lol. That'd scratch the itch

rakesh

I was kinda gob smacked to see Jim Robinson in the opening. That bloke has come a long way from neighbours!

Dana Regan

You need to watch ST: Picard series!! It will blow you away and you will still be in the STNG universe.

Dana Regan

I thought every STNG movie was worth price of admission. I could never say that about a Star Wars movie. Lol

Gábor Árki
>>157028295

In my opinion, jumping straight into Picard isn’t a great idea. It would spoil significant plot points and character arcs from other series: DS9 and Voyager. If she ever intends to watch those, even just on her own, watching Picard would taint that experience. Additionally, jumping into S3 has its own problems. While its story arc is largely independent of the first two seasons, there are key developments involving certain characters that won’t make much sense without having seen the earlier seasons.

Clay F

Carly would like it I think

Dana Regan
>>157028295

Well in Insurrection, she had words that just confused her like DS9, Dominion, Defiant, etc that really needed explanation. All 3 seasons of Picard are worth watching imo...only 30 episodes total

Clay F

Glad you liked Nemesis. Also glad to hear you say in the intro you are excited to get to the new [Trek] movies with Chris Pine.

Abraham Walters

Additional Easter egg/s. Admiral Janeway is from Star Trek Voyager

Rick Rodriguez

Jerry Goldsmith is, as he always was, one of the positives on this one. I'll second third fourth fifth that, when PIB schedule permits, Cassie should watch S3 of Picard. Read up on 1 & 2 then watch 3. But first, as contoversial as they are, check out the Kelvin universe films.

Laura Thornley

End of an era, but the beginning of a new one.

Clarence Newman
>>157028295

There always seems to be an urgency involved when people talk about what other Trek stuff Cassie should watch. We can all relax, guys. After a decent hiatus, she has all the time in the world to sweep up all the good stuff. The only thing I truly disagree with is the suggestion that she should watch some of it without us. I believe that would violate the Popcorn Prime Directive and would result in a trip to Rura Penthe.

Clarence Newman

Yes, it will be sad to see them go and I don't know how Cassie is going to fill the void. They're all fine Officers, you see. Officers And Gentlemen. Well, most of them. Walk that wall, Seegar. Don't you let go. "I don't know but it's been said, Cassie watches films in bed." I don't know what I'm trying to say. Upcoming Where We Belong? And I know you're all fed up of it and want me to DOR, but you have to understand....I'VE GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO GOOOOOOO!!!!"

Caomhan84

Nemesis is one of those movies that I loved in the movie theater, but didn't particularly like much on subsequent viewings. It was never intended to be the last film; they WERE setting up the end of TNG but if Nemesis has made money I think there would have been one more movie. Unfortunately it did not make a lot of money. A Jennifer Lopez movie beat it on opening weekend if I remember correctly. Anyway... We all had to wait almost 20 years for more TNG. So there's always Star Trek Picard, but that show is seriously hit and miss. It was such a good opportunity that unfortunately they let slip, because of multiple factors. Season 3 is pretty good, but I still think the entire show should have been different than when it turned out being. Still though, I'm glad that TNG resonated so much with Cassie. And Cassie being a Star Trek fan is not something that I had on my bingo card for 2024. I have a feeling she's going to love Trek 09. So bring it on. 😊

Neil

Glad you liked it Cassie, please consider reacting to the Picard series, I think its a must for you.

Loki Incredible

Cassie! It is very cool to see you chug through your lil Trek through the stars ✨ there's still a lot of that era to explore, If you did key episodes of DS9 (tough, very tough but very worth it) You see so very many familiar faces show up. VOY might also be difficult to cherry pick episodes but it's also so worth it-- even ENT, a few key episodes would be a real joy for you. 2009 Star Trek the movie and it's two sequels Darkness and Beyond, And then maybe.. maybe.. Picard season 1 2 and 3 would be the end of that journey.. at long long last 🖖🔥

ExploreWinnipeg

I've already liked it. However, I don't think I dislike any of the Star Trek movies.

Chris Clarke

The thing that mainly used to bug me was that with each cast's final film, they seemed to stop acting their parts and just play themselves (the original cast with Generations, the TNG cast with Nemesis and maybe even a little earlier). They seemed out of character, and it grated on me. It therefore never felt like I had proper closure with the characters I loved, and although I've historically blamed the directors the blame goes further than that. That's just my opinion, anyways!🙂 Setting that aside (which took a while), I've been able to enjoy them more.

Stephen Last

I am glad you liked it. I enjoyed it in the theater. That opening scene really disturbed me the first time and I usually have a thick skin.

Armchair Rizzard

to be clear Cassie, I *like* all of the movies, but this one is the worst imo.

Samuel Champ

I liked this one more than Generations. I was a little shocked when it seemed most people didn't. We knew the ending was going to hit you hard. They're a lot of episodes from the series that didn't make the cut for your channel, that you would really like I think. Whether you put them on the channel not. As always, thank you for the reaction!

Dan M

Don’t you do it! Don’t you….okay, I can see you’re not quitting. Very clever, Mayo-naise! Very clever!

bgb1975 (Brian)

OK, now is that all of the Trek movies, already? lol. Too much Trek!

Dan M

Glad you liked it, Cassie! I don’t know why this movie and Insurrection get so much hate. But I’m not a die hard Trekkie, so I’m not looking at these movies through that lens. To me they’re fun and entertaining, and like you and Carly, that’s ultimately what I want from a movie like this. Can’t wait for you to begin the Chris Pine movies.

Walter

never too much

FleetAdmiralJ

Well, I think you have two places to go from here if you want to continue Trek: 1) Watch DS9. It is the next in line, but it will be very hard to do just a "catch a handful of episodes each season" especially later in the series 2) Voyager. You don't need DS9 to watch this and you can do your TNG-type season reviews a lot easier with it

Witchfinder General

Only if you want to see the character 'deconstructed' & 'humbled' in his own series

Walter

Well, it's not that this movie is terrible, it's just not as strong as the other films. I do very much dislike what happens at the end - it's cheap (IMO) and didn't need to be in the film. It's been done before in Trek and far better. I would have wished for a stronger send off for this crew, is all.

Mojo One Thousand

Nope, all the trek thus far was leading to the JJ Abrams films, so 3 more to go.

Dana Regan

Humility and self awareness..yes terrible qualities

Clay F

The movie is fairly engaging. My ranking: 1. First Contact 2. Insurrection/Nemesis/Generations tied I did like seeing Kirk in Generations. You were elated with the wedding. That was an awesome best man speech. "What about our naked ceremony?" "kidnapped again" Admiral Janeway in the beginning of the movie is Captain Kathryn Janeway from the "Star Trek: Voyager" series (1995-2001), which you could react to in an abbreviated fashion, as you did with TNG. I think you would also like the Picard series (2020-2023). Tom Hardy was 24 during filming of Nemesis. His first and only Star Trek appearance. He was old enough because Nemesis was a few years later. --TNG series (ended 1994) --First Contact (1996) --Nemesis (2002) If you recall, Tom Hardy was young looking in Band of Brothers (2001). He did the woo hoo. But must be difficult to recall stuff in watching so many movies/series (and watching each only once).

Darren Harrison

I have never seen it because the reviews on release were terrible. I’ll enjoy watching it for the first time with you :)

Clay F

Nope 3 more, and then no more Trek movies out there.

Shad Kanyak

“I feel like the Borg are their Nemesis. Been there done that.” The Borg are their abusive boyfriend the Star Trek franchise just can’t quit.

Kuskesh Haramzadeh

You can start watching Picard on Paramount+ now. Some stuff that you believe ended in this movie will be properly resolved in the series. You'll want to watch Deep Space 9 anf and some select episodes of the last few seasons of Voyager to have better context. It doesn't hurt to watch Enterprise either.

David Freese

It wasn't planned as a send off. They planned to make more so in those terms Nemesis was a terrible send-off but that wasn't the intention like ST:6 so maybe look at maybe they had scripts that was going to connect back to this.

David Freese

I don't agree she doesn't need DS9 to watch V9yager because the series starts on DS9. Maybe that's just a hiccup but I'd think it would raise questions.

David Freese

I have a crazy feeling she watched more trek on her own when she had time.

David Freese

The plan is to watch the Kelvin films (she even talked about in the intro) then take a break from trek for awhile

Rick Rodriguez

Ah. Haven't had time to watch yet. Danke.

Walter

Intended or not, it does end up being the final FILM for this crew and that's a shame, is all I'm saying. I'm avoiding spoilers, but further scripts wouldn't help the Data story here. I haven't watched Picard season 3, but as I understand it, as a fan of this crew, I should.

Wes

Picard would be a nice addition to the lineup if you miss this crew. Especially season 3

Gábor Árki

I think with jumping into Voyager a more significant omission would be the Maquis. Without the early seasons of DS9 and the buildup of this storyline in TNG, it would be harder to understand the primary source of conflicts driving the first few seasons of Voyager. This would raise more questions I think than some cameos in the pilot episode.

TechJJ

"I don't want this to be over. I need data to come back to life." Also past statements regarding Picard and Crusher... Most feel that TNG didn't have a proper send off. Apparently the writers and showrunners at Paramount felt the same and hence the creation of ST:Picard series. When you are ready, many of us here would passionately follow and support your reaction to this 10-episode final season. No prerequisites necessary. Yeah minority of fans can be too hard. Besides the wedding and Data, the space battle actions are quite epic for Star Trek without accommodating the modern ADHT mentality. Finally thank you Cassie for all your reactions of Star Trek as I love the way you can feel being on the journey with the crew in this ! That's the way I always feel. I look forward to you reacting to Christ Pine movies! They are very good also in a "Star Warsy" ways!

Michael G

Cassie, Thank You so much for this journey through TNG. Star Trek was an odd place i this era. The movies were, in a decline critically and financially. On tv, new life was trying to be introduced with "Enterprise" (with not great results, though i will take it over Voyager any day of the week) overall the franchise was on a slow march towards running out of gas. As a result, everything outside of the movies, coupled with this being the last movie, and the death of Data to many felt like the death, or at least an in the face acknowledgement that the star trek brand, itself was dead. That has always been my interpretation for why fans turned on this movie as they did. That is/was hard to be confronted with. There is valid fan pushback with this movie. The telepathic rape of Diana did not go over well, and was to that point and perhaps still the darkest star trek has ever gotten. Coupled with the lack of Troi, Beverly, and Geordie, and it being the last film, knowing those characters got no love, and to use a phrase "did them dirty" turned fans against this movie. It was nice to see your reaction to the wedding, something i think we knew was going to be a nice surprise for you. As for the movie itself. Yes there is some silly in it, more singing *sigh* but the structure is sound, it is shot and lit well. Tom Hardy really brought it for the role. The plot moves along and the movie never really has any down time. Overall my ranking: Generations (the most competent of them in terms of film making) Nemesis First Contact (Everyone loves the Borg, but whoa does the movie have story issues that everyone over looks because of "Borg eeek" Also it is lit horrendously, and is like nails on of chalk board every time i watch it. Thankfully Frakes got much better at directing.) Insurrection

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

You're right, C, folks are too hard on everything nowadays. Nothing can ever be just good or fine or ok or have good aspects to it. Personally I find it much more enjoyable to watch with my love goggles on. Fans, if I'm being really honest, make for the worst fans.

FleetAdmiralJ

I think Voyager does a decent job explaining the Maquis or at least making it pretty clear they are basically renegades from Starfleet. I'm not sure DS9 is necessary just for that.

FleetAdmiralJ

I actually didn't think this was a bad one. It's probably my 2nd favorite of the TNG movies. I do think people are really rough on a lot of Star Trek stuff, especially the new stuff. I think people want everything that's new to be like everything they're used to (but that would also be boring!)

David Collins

This one is easily my favorite Star Trek movie of the TNG batch. Tom Hardy is mezmerizing.

Miguel

Its not that I dont like it, I would just put this one in 4th of the TNG movies. It was still ok. But most ST movies have some re-watchability to them. This one, feels like something of a chore to sit through after the first watch. Also, it might be the nostalgia speaking, but ST6 always felt like such a good send off for the original crew, that this one just didnt really come close to that.

crazywater76 ( Bruce )

If you want to continue you can watch the reboot movies. Also the new ST shows are hit and miss. Picard S1 and S2 are bad but Season 3 is terrific. If only seasons 1 & 2 were half this good. Strange New Worlds is decent. I hate Discovery but you may like it.

Fanchman

It's been a long time since I've seen this movie, and I started to believe the bad movie rhetoric. However, after this rewatch, I've determined that some Star Trek fans are just too critical.

Clarence Newman

Well, damn. I've just finished watching this for the first time in over a decade and I'm scratching my head a little bit. Like a lot of people on here, I had it in my mind that Nemesis was a bad movie, but I really enjoyed watching it. And I'm not just going to put it down to the presence of "Cassie dust" this time either. With the exception of a few unavoidable issues (which are mostly fan-based and grounded in our love for the characters), there's not much wrong with it. So here's the bones I've picked out. 1) It has to be the ending. That's the only part of it that offends me as a fan. And it's not because Data dies. That's tragic and sad, but so was Spock's death and that didn't make Wrath of Khan a bad movie. I think it's because of the implied suggestion that everything will be ok for future movies because we still have B4, who looks the same and can learn to be like Data, blah blah blah. I'm with Cassie on that one. He's NOT Data and never will be. 2) The dark sets. What is it with filmmakers that they think we enjoy watching scenes that are so dark that we can't see half of what's going on? Whole episodes of Game of Thrones were ruined because of that. I understand Shinzon's ship being dark because he grew up with an aversion to light, but it makes no sense whatsoever for the Enterprise bridge to be anything but fully-illuminated. Put some extra bulbs in, filmmakers. The darkness always annoys us! 3) Recycling of old ideas. The telepathic rape of Troi was not well-received anyway, but a second problem is that TNG had already done that to her before. In the season 5 episode Violations, Troi is recalling a romantic interlude with Riker when he turns into an ambassador who's on board at the time. It turns out he's telepathically raping her. Add that to the trope of Data coming across a long lost brother and then having problems with him, and there's too much recycled material. 4) Speaking of the violation of Troi (her own description), Picard is a little too blase about that. When Troi asks to be relieved of duty, he instantly denies the request, then says, "If you can endure more of these assaults, I need you by my side." If I was Troi, I would have responded with, "Oh sure, why not? I'm up for some more rapeage!" Shame, Jean-Luc. Shame! 5) Finally, there is rarely a reaction that goes by where I'm not reminded of why I follow Cassie's channel and no one else's, and this was no different. Who else would express their annoyance at Shinzon with the line, "Uggh, the shoulder pads are bugging me now."? Never change, young lady.

Clarence Newman

As a huge Star Trek fan, my response to your last sentence is simply this...... TRUE DAT!

Clarence Newman

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Darren. I've seen it before (a long time ago) and thought I hated it, but just enjoyed watching it again.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Not just ST fans, to be clear. Nobody can ever just love the story we have as it is, everyone knows what could have better, how they would have written it, what play they would have called, all in hindsight.

WestBound

Are we skipping Enterprise

Clarence Newman

Forgot to mention. I find Tom Hardy very compelling in this movie, and I loved Cassie's reaction when she realised who he was. The main thing about this role is that he looks so different than he does now - so much smaller and less formidable. For those who are interested, his transformation into the formidable beast we know him as today came as result of a movie called "Bronson" (2009). "Charles Bronson" (real name Michael Peterson) is Britain's most notorious prisoner, and when the movie was made, the slimline Tom Hardy we just saw in Nemesis was cast in the lead role. Bronson is 225 pounds of solid muscle, so when Hardy walked in to meet with him for the first time, Bronson laughed. "You're taking the piss ain't ya, Tommy? How can someone your size play me?" Tom assured Bronson there'd be no problem. He was going to train for the role and would be back in a few weeks to show him the results. After three months of intense training, Hardy returned to the prison. Not only had he shaved his head and grown a moustache to look like Bronson, he'd gained 42 pounds (19kg) of solid muscle and now had the same physique as the cast-iron convict. Bronson was apparently speechless. So that was Tommy's Captain America moment. While I would not recommend the "Bronson" movie to Cassie (it's very good, but extremely brutal), we do have it to thank for the powerhouse actor we know and love today.

Rick Rodriguez

Would you consider it as good a final film for the TNG cast as Undiscovered Country was for TOS cast, Cassie?

Clarence Newman

True, but fans also have the quirk of wanting to talk about their favourite shows all the time, and that naturally includes things that upset them or could've been done better. This has never been more blatant than with the final season of Game of Thrones. Now THAT was a case of fans being disrespectfully overcritical!

Bammer

I really hope you consider continuing your Trek through the universe with Deep Space Nine and Voyager.

Chrissonator

In fact, this movie was the first movie to actually build the bridge set on a shaking platform, so their jolts and such are real, not faked like in the past.

aarswft

Ain’t nobody got time for that

aarswft

As we should

aarswft

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

Dave Wheeler

Cassie, Really hope you will consider watching Star Trek Picard on the Channel. Seasons 1-3 is 30 episodes.. Each Season is 10 episodes. Star Trek Picard is the direct sequel to The Next Generation. Also you seem to really Love JLP so you can’t go wrong. I Love your Channel. Thank you Cassie for all that you do. Putting good into the Universe! #Grateful. 😊🙏❤️🖖

Bammer

Ain't nobody talking to you.

Brad Burback

That was a great watch, Cassie! As always :) I echo the comments about watching Picard. If you want to see your old friends again, that's the place to go! (Maybe even to see absent friends 😉) It wraps up everything for the Next Generation, and sets things up for possibly a Next Next Generation. And I agree- people were way too hard on this movie. It's main weakness is trying too hard to be TNG's Wrath of Khan.

Patrick Flanagan

My favorite part of NEMESIS is how Shinzon arranges to meet Picard because he needs to harvest his DNA in order to survive, and then the movie just forgets about it. Or how Shinzon's strategically brilliant plan is to build a big ship and just fly straight at Earth. Or maybe it was the Enterprise suddenly having a dune buggy. Or how the script was designed to kill off Data because Brent Spiner wanted to retire the character because he felt too old, but then they just created a new Data anyway. Or maybe it was Troi getting mindraped (again!!). This movie just feels like a conscious attempt to make TNG dark and "serious" and it does not work. Total dud.

Stick Figure Studios

Your mixed emotions are understandable. This was not intended to be the final TNG movie, but the first of a trilogy that would conclude this crew's story. However, it performed so poorly at the box office that those other two movies never happened, so if you're looking for a more satisfying resolution for this cast of characters, I highly recommend you watch the PICARD show at some point (many folks are saying skip the first two seasons and go right to the third, but I think you should watch all three; Yes, the 3rd is definitely the best, but imo the first two are worth seeing as well).

Scott Macaulay

After this if you skip to Season 3 of Picard you will be happy I think. It's only 8 episodes and it is like an extended final Next Gen movie.

James

The first time watching it I didn't absolutely hate it either, but best not to watch it again. The Tal'Shiar, the most competent spy agency in the galaxy, thought one more slave worker was better than just tying up lose ends for a project they cancelled. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

Walter Crockett

I am glad you liked the film Cassie. I know the Chris Pine films are next. But For next year I recommend the series Star Trek Picard. I know I am going to get angry comments for this recommendation, but I think you will like it (mainly the 3rd season) NO Spoilers! anyone please. There are 3 seasons and only 10 episodes per season a total of 30 episodes. You cant't skip episodes like TNG because each season is one story. If that is too many episodes for the channel, you can just do season 3 only if necessary, though a few new details you may be lost on.

Walter Crockett

Also I would love you to watch Star Trek Deep Space Nine because its my favorite Star Trek Show, but that show would not work as well with skipping episodes as much as TNG did

Rod Reavern

I've always had mixed opinions about ST Nemesis because it matched the greatest actor in the Star Trek franchise, Patrick Stewart, up with a young Tom Hardy, who has become an amazing actor; in a classic (and arguably cliched) "evil clone" scenario. It's a genuinely compelling setup and both actors were up to the job... but the script just FAILED to deliver on all that potential. Admittedly, there were good parts in Picard and Shinzon's interactions, but they only scratched the surface of what an "Evil Picard" was capable of. The problem was the "Creatives" behind the movie tried to combine Wrath of Khan's captain vs. his nemesis ultimate showdown (hence the movie's title) with First Contact's action and pacing, and the latter detracted from the former. I can't hate Nemesis because it featured the most epic and TACTICAL starship battle in Star Trek history... but there also were many DUMB mistakes, like the Viceroy's boarding team beaming to "Deck 29" to capture Picard on the Bridge, which is on Deck 1, despite that First Contact established the Enterprise-E had 24 decks; and then Riker kicked the Viceroy into a mystery pit that was already at the bottom of the ship! Those glaring technical mistakes made the movie seem sloppy and disrespectful to its core audience. Regardless, I'm glad that Cassie watched it and enjoyed it. I remember that Cassie said her plan is to watch the Jar-Jar Abrams' Star Trek movies next, but I recommend she watch Star Trek: Picard's 3rd season instead, which does provide many of the things she wanted and is a far better conclusion to the TNG cast's adventures than Nemesis. (Just don't bother with Season 1 or 2 of Picard; they're pointless and terrible.)

Brian Smith

its not over you still have ST Picard

Scott Macaulay

It's awesome you have such a light hearted take on these movies. The fact hat you were still asking about the naked wedding ceremony going into act 2 was gold. I guess a lot of us Trekkies back in the day would nitpick things like: Why do they need an extra 4 wheel drive buggy and not just land closer to the site in their vertical take off craft? We were spoiled brats with so much good Trek in the 90's we had that luxury.

OddThomas

You will LOVE Picard. It progressively gets better from season 1-3

James Keller

I do think this movie gets a bad rap. It didn't get good reviews at the time and underperformed at the Box Office and was subsequently blamed for years for effectively killing the franchise for a while. Even though the bad Box Office had more to do with Paramount's insane decision to put the film in direct Competition with Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and James Bond. But I like the ideas, Picard facing another version of himself that was twisted by an abusive upbringing was fascinating. I actually like the multi-part, layered space battle. And I actually applaud the decision to have Data sacrifice himself in the end. My main issue with the film is the screenplay. The pacing is really slow, the opening act kind of drags after the wedding scene and the 2nd act is weirdly rushed with Picard and Shinzon only having one real conversation together before suddenly jumping into the conflict with the abduction and rescue of Picard. Had the film gotten Picard and Shinzon together quicker and really built up the possibility of Shinzon becoming more like Picard before he goes full Villain, I think the film would've done better with fans and critics.

djKENTO

disagree with it getting better. I think Season 2 is pretty bad and unfocused. Tries too hard to shoehorn in actors for contractual reasons when they really had no natural place on the show.

Witchfinder General

Say no to JJ Abrams Trek; The hack who destroys franchises 👎 I'd rather have some more TOS episodes, any of which are better than Tween Trek aka Star Trek for dummies

Witchfinder General

I think Cassie should create a second channel to react to Star Trek and get back to watching decent movies on PiB

Witchfinder General

The TNG crew are lame. It bothers me they never get blown up

V M
>>157039212

I think after TNG she should end her Star Trek journey

Caomhan84

I think she will like aspects of Picard. But the show as a whole it's just all over the place. Season 1 is horrible and there's tons of things that don't even make any sense, and (crucially) Jean-Luc does not act like himself. He does things he would never do, just because the writers are obsessed with the idea of deconstructing him. It has maybe two or three good ideas and two or three good moments... The rest of it is horrible. Season 3 is the only season that is watchable to me, but even then, it's only about a 7 out of 10 on the "good" scale.

Clarence Newman

They get blown up loads of times. 4 times in Cause and Effect alone!

Clarence Newman
>>157034990

Good point. Generations felt like the TNG we knew, but it all changed after that. The ship, the lighting on the bridge, the uniforms, Geordi’s eyes, Troi’s accent. I still liked those films but the feel was very different.

John Sullivan

I'm glad you enjoyed these movies 😊 We all have our opinions, but this is entertainment at the end of the day. If you liked it, then good 👍

John Sullivan

I couldn't deal with Picard. The writing was bad. It felt like they didn't know the characters

Brian Smith

it was fine. but you have your opinion. you didn't like it can move on

John Sullivan

There's a lot of good Trek but I suspect you would enjoy the Voyager and Enterprise shows. Most Trekkies will tell you that DS9 is better, and I don't disagree. But I personally think you'd like Enterprise and Voyager more (just skip the bad episodes)

John Sullivan

I didn't know this was supposed to be a trilogy

Clay F

I liked Voyager but couldn’t get into Enterprise.

Clay F

Tom Harding did excellent. You can tell he is a good actor, even at this young age.

Clay F

Bruce, I agree. Except some of Picard S1 was ok. She is definitely reacting to the reboot movies. She said in the intro that the purpose of her delving into ST was to do “the new movies with Chris Pine.”

Zeroarmor7

Data & Geordie deserved a better final scene together. Best friends and all we got was a nod as he jumped and some tears at the end. Someone get her to watch the picard trailers at least

Bryan Hathaway

i loved this movie... i dont understand the hate either... ready for you to try to wrap your mind around the multiverse part of the abrams ones lol

Clay F

She could react to Voyager (but unfortunately not DS9) in an abbreviated fashion as he did with TNG.

Clay F

If 30 episodes is too much for her, she could react to select episodes from S1 and all 10 episodes from S3.

Cole Jennett

My apologies Gabor, but I’m hoping she doesn’t see this comment because of the casting reveal. She may already be aware of some of the names other then Chris Pine, but I’m really hoping she doesn’t. Her surprise at Tom Hardy being in this movie is reason enough not to spoil any of the other cast members for Star Trek 2009.

Clay F

My suggestion of what she would like and would make for good reactions: [1] Voyager. React to in an abbreviated fashion as she did with TNG, and/or [2] Picard. React to select episodes of S1 and all 10 episodes of S3. Skip Enterprise. Unfortunately, DS9 which is awesome, can't be reasonably reacted to in an abbreviated fashion as she did with TNG

Clay F

Too late. She said in her intro that she is "excited to get to the new [Trek] movies with Chris Pine." She said that was a purpose of her delving into ST in the first place was for the Chris Pine ST trilogy. It's happening.

Clarence Newman

Picard is pretty polarizing, but Cassie loves the character so much, she'll just smile her way through the whole thing. And yes, I mean seasons 1 and 2 aswell.

Clay F

Agree, I think Cassie would love the Picard series. I suggest she react to select episodes of S1 and all 10 episodes of S3. I found S2 hard to get through. IMDb average ratings of Trek series given by users: --Picard S3 (2023) 8.8 --TNG (1987–1994) 8.7 --TOS (1966–1969) 8.4 --DS9 (1993–1999) 8.1 --Voyager (1995–2001) 7.9 --Picard S1 (2020) 7.6 --Enterprise (2001-2005) 7.6 --Discovery (2017-2024) 7.0 --Picard S2 (2022) 6.6 My personal ranking: 1. TNG 2. TOS 3. DS9 (can be argued is the best) 4. Voyager 5. Picard S3 I couldn't get into Enterprise. I tried SNW but really haven't give SNW a chance -- I need to.

greggreggreg2000

Watching Howard the Duck right before this made the movie look better than it actually is lol

Clay F

I have the opposite feeling. The time demands in her life.

RJ MacReady

Yes 100% watch Picard Season 3

Jam

I see people saying to watch ST Picard... but really no, but if you are after a cosy farewell to the characters then only watch season 3 it will give you all the good feels and although it has a few points and characters that might be confusing briefly its what you want. Season 1-2 are probably not the way you wat to remember Picard

Clarence Newman

Unlikely, David. She's already serving her "Joey Tribbiani five year suspended sentence" for watching The Offspring without us. Next time she goes in a box.

Clay F

I am very happy that you are reacting to the Chris Pine ST movies. I grew up watching ST original series in the mid-70s. At age 11 in 1974, I had a model of the Enterprise and a model of a Klingon warbird hanging from my bedroom ceiling. TNG was the ultimate. I watched TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Watching TNG as it aired was a weekly event for me and my wife in our house. I am an old timer who finds the Chris Pine ST trilogy (Kelvin films) as fresh, slick, and entertaining. Honors the ST franchise.

Des Frank Keller

Watch Picard to finish the story, you be the judge if its good or bad. Too many people bash the show and like Star Wars fans 1 0 years from now they will love it LOL.

Witchfinder General

They wear Trek as a skin suit, cashing in on the IP while having no respect for the authenticity or intelligence of the original; JarJar Abrams covers for the fact with bells & whistles to keep the audience from reflecting on how stupid the movie is

Clarence Newman

I like the Pine movies too, Clay. As you say, they stick pretty well to the spirit of the franchise, and they're very well cast. But I still can't bring myself to see them as true Star Trek. For some reason, that ended with Enterprise for me. Everything that came after is too.....glossy?

John Drake

It's not over Cassie - just watch Picard season 3 and everything gets wrapped up nicely. Theres no need for the previous 2 seasons, nor would you want to watch them as JLP is humiliated and belittled for fun - you wouldn't want to see him like that. Also some nasty, gory scenes - the show runners didnt know or care about Trek. Season 3 got a guy who did. Some feel it's blatant fan service but I think you'd really like it and it would give you the final send off you you need.

Clarence Newman

@Witchfinder. Your opinion doesn't surprise me because you've mentioned that TOS is pretty much the only series you truly love. As a traditionalist, I can imagine how much the Pine Treks grate on you.

Clay F

Yeah, some old timers have a hard time with change. Always been that way. It's about resistance to change itself, no matter what the change.

Clarence Newman

Plus you seem to really, really hate JJ Abrams!

Clay F

Witch, you are in the minority, and you disagree with Leonard Nimoy. Respectfully, I will go with Leonard Nimoy's thoughts. While not my personal ranking, below are Star Trek movies ranked by IMDb average rating given by users. 1. Star Trek (2009) 7.9 2. ST II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) 7.7 3. Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) 7.7 4 First Contact (1996) 7.6 5. ST IV: The Voyage Home (1986) 7.3 6. ST VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) 7.2 7. Star Trek Beyond (2016) 7.0 8. ST III: The Search for Spock (1984) 6.6 9. Generations (1994) 6.6 10. ST: The Motion Picture (1979) 6.4 11. Insurrection (1998) 6.4 12. Nemesis (2002) 6.4 13. ST V: The Final Frontier (1989) 5.5

Clay F

I have immense respect for Leonard Nimoy. And I say this without being condescending or disrespectful, but I will go with his thoughts over yours any day. Honestly, I find your replies as gibberish.

Witchfinder General

@Clay. I'm resistant to Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings etc becoming bland dumbed down and generic; Bastardised by Hollywood hacks. 'Rebooted' as uninteresting, un-exciting, and often idiotic imitations ''Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good” - JRR Tolkien

Witchfinder General

@ Clarence TOS is great because they are believable as a military vessel, the characters are authentic. The TNG crew are the best of what came after but even they are too touchy-feely. And who would put children on the Federation's flagship, it's ridiculous And JJ Abrams is garbage, his mystery box craft totally worn out, that's why no one will hire him

John Liebling

Can't send out spoilers...However, we do know there are plenty of Star Trek TV series Cassie has never watched. I think we can agree that Picard does not measure up to many other episodes...but hey, Cassie enjoy Nemesis...so I feel she'd enjoy the 10, 20 or 30 episodes of Picard. After all she enjoyed Grumpier Old Men. Maybe in three, four, or five months she'll consider Picard. I am still pushing for Cassie to watch Menagerie before she tackles the Chris Pine movies. And boy there is going to be one hell of surprise for her when she watches the second Chris Pine movie. Hey Cassie, if you are curious about what Star Trek would have looked like without Bones McCoy and William Shatner's Kirk, take a look at Menagerie. It's a combination of the pilot episode called the "Cage" NBC bosses wanted a second pilot, and they got it with Kirk in "Where No One Has Gone Before" I know you didn't watch it on your channel. Did you watch it just for you? One last Christmas-ee plug for December - watch the Cary Grant "The Bishop's Wife" You won't be sorry. Happy holidays everyone!

John Liebling

I was 8 when the original series started in 1966.

John Liebling

There are a lot of Borg centric episodes Cassie would enjoy from the Voyager series.

Witchfinder General

@ Clay Watch out for the coming ice age, Nimoy the Hollyweirdo said it so it must be true

Joe

Definitely agree. And watching Voyager in the same way as TNG would give the introduction to Seven that she would need to more fully appreciate Picard. And to a lesser extent I wish she would have watched some of the Ensign Ro eps on TNG for the same reason

Witchfinder General

@Clarence How does JJ Trek distinguish itself in any way from other generic space action? It's the total opposite to what Star Trek was in spirit

Joe R

Agree, all of Picard season 3 should be next. Maybe the episodes of Voyager with the Seven origin story.

Clay F

S3 can be watched as a standalone. Can skip S1 and S2, though I think Cassie would generally like S1 (especially select episodes).

RJ MacReady

I too suggest Picard, at least Season 3 at some point. Its been a fun journey nonetheless, thank you!

Oberhauser-Blofeld

It seemed liked it was over for most of us and it was for 20 years until the three seasons of Picard aired/streamed. A lot of detractors will say only watch the third season and it is the best of the three with the entire cast. But the other two seasons are entertaining; a different tone and some continuity is a bit off. That being said, if you don’t watch the first two seasons for content on PIB, I think you would enjoy them on your own time. They help at a minimum add more context for season three which makes it more enjoyable. I would recommend watching the Kelvin timeline with Chris Pine. Those are entertaining and enjoyable. But I can’t recommend season three of Picard enough; it is a great bookend to TNG. It might be a bit of time before you get to see it but don’t rob yourself of this love letter to the fans.

Terdell Ferguson

Still like this one as the best of the four "Next Generation" films. I can totally understand the folks who like First Contact as their favorite, I do. For me it's this one. Then Next Contact. Still, I'm loving the fact Cassie will be continuing into the Chris Pine Star Trek films, which to me are severely underrated and 100% underappreciated.

JD

The characters we see in that season are nothing like the characters we had in TNG. Why do people keep saying to watch this subpar dumpster fire?

JD

The characters we see in that season are nothing like the characters we had in TNG. Why do people keep saying to watch this subpar dumpster fire?

JD

The characters we see in that season are nothing like the characters we had in TNG. Why do people keep saying to watch this subpar dumpster fire?

JD

They didn't. Patrick Stewart personally changed Jean-Lucs backstory to match his own. It was a massive vanity project and on top of that has pretty horrendous acting and writing is all over the place. Hard pass.

JD

Even season three had no idea what they were writing about. The pandering to fans was nice but after a rewatch it's pretty terrible

JD

Mr Cronkite I truly loved your call on the moon landing but I think you need to put your glasses back on. Picard was a vanity project for Patrick Stewart. S1 was absolutely garbage, didn't even bother watching S2 as S1 was so bad. Watched S3 for the memberberries but even that was crap. Thankfully its not canon

JD

Even some of the cast members have said this was a terrible film.

Walter Crockett

It’s Crockett…and as I said…let the hateful comments begin 👍🏿

JD

You literally bring up Picard in every post lol

JD

When they came out the franchise was oversaturated. The films tongue and cheek attitude towards what the shows were doing didn't help. We didn't want to see Picard as an action star (Lol we wanted Riker!) and yet they kept on doing it. Stewart himself said he demanded the change in his character. He finally succeeded in killing the last vestiges of classic Jean-Luc when he helped write and produce the dumpster fire know as 'Picard" where he completely changed the backstory and even forgot several key moments in his life we saw in TNG. JJ Abrahms built the coffin, Alex Kurtzman nailed it shut and Patrick Stewart sprinkled the dirt in the grave.

JD

Hateful? No its my opinion. Hate is a strong word man.

RJ MacReady

This is an exaggeration. Frankly I enjoyed them. They aren't without faults but seems no one is ever pleased anymore.

Clay F

Well said. I did struggle some with Picard S2. I like the Kelvin movies. As for Picard, if she is willing to react to all 30 episodes, that would be great. I think she would like it. However, if she prefers less of a commitment, she could react to S3 (which is good as a standalone) and maybe thrown in select episodes of S1. Again, I like your post.

Clay F

I think she would love Picard S3. I see her liking even Picard S1. I think she would like Voyager (react to in an abbreviated way as she did w/TNG), but that is more a commitment.

JD

Is it? I see a lot of people saying its awful so I'm not on an island over here.

Chris Thom

Trek on Trek on Duck this week. Fast turnaround.

Rod Reavern

@Clay F: The Jar-Jar Abrams "Star Trek" movies were just his glorified audition tape for the Disney Star Wars movies. They're all CGI, lens flares, and explosions; NO heart, mind or soul. They're devoid of the fundamental elements that defined Star Trek. Abrams' "Star Trek" movies are basically just Michael Bay's Transformers set on the Enterprise -- and that's not hyperbolic because the same two writers, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, wrote Transformers, Transformer: Revenge of the Fallen, Star Trek (2009), and Star Trek: Into Darkness. They also wrote Abrams' Missile Impossible III. ALL of those movies came from them same fetid, incestuous SWAMP of Hollywood hacks. I acknowledge that their movies made a lot of money and were popular with mainstream audiences, but that doesn't mean they were good, anymore than all the YA novels, like Twilight and Hunger Games, were good. The key difference was that those YA novel movie adaptations pandered to their FANS, whereas Abrams' "Star Trek" movies pandered to mainstream audiences; most Star Trek fans didn't like them, especially Into Darkess and Beyond. I admit that I liked Star Trek (2009) because it had been over 5 years since Nemesis and the Star Trek franchise was in a slump. It was like feeding junk food to a starving person; ANYTHING would taste good and would leave you hungry for more. I acknowledge that Paramount had no choice but to go big, dumb, and mainstream. However, if you know about the behind-the-scenes legal drama, it was just a cynical business move by Abrams and Paramount to re-monetize the Trek brand to make movies that would cut out CBS, the TOS cast, the original Trek creators of any royalties. Jar-Jar Abrams changed everything by around 15%, because that was enough to legally differentiate Chris Pine's Captain Kirk, Zachary Quinto's Spock, Karl Urban's Bones, the rest of the new cast, and the Enterprise itself, from the TOS originals and not have to pay them anything -- except for NO SPOILERS (you-know-who). That was the whole point of the Kelvin Timeline! Yes, Jar-Jar Abrams' "Star Trek" movies made money and were popular... for a few fleeting years. Then Jar-Jar jumped ship to Star Wars, which was the classic sci-fi series he obviously preferred. And just like Star Trek, Abrams basically killed and/or replaced everyone from the Original Trilogy, changed everything fans loved by 15% (i.e. the Millennium Falcon's rectangular radar dish, the First Order's new Star Destroyers, TIE Fighters, and Stormtroopers, and Threepio's RED ARM!), made ONE hugely popular and successful first movie, and then ran that franchise into the ground too. I understand that Cassie basically watched TOS and TNG Star Trek to get to this point, and he imagine she will enjoy watching them... but I sincerely hope she recognizes how DIFFERENT they are and appreciates real Star Trek even more as a result.

Ace Degenerate

I really wanted to like Picard S1-2. But I couldn’t lol. I just hated everything about them and how they just flat out destroyed characters from the shows. But season 3? Well I love season 3.

Rod Reavern

Season 3 of Picard was far from perfect, in the same way that TNG Season 7 was. Season 3 gave Trek fans what they wanted AND some crap they didn't. The worst problem was that it recycled the same old enemy AGAIN and just TEASED us with more intriguing possibilities that went nowhere. Regardless, it was a fitting final voyage for the TNG crew. I believe Cassie would enjoy watching Picard Season 3 and she should watch it; but asking her to endure the first 2 seasons is unreasonable, unfair, and would damage her opinion about Star Trek.

Ace Degenerate

I think they are fun “alternate universe trek” movies, completely separate from everything that has come before it and nothing matters in that “universe”. As movies, they work as fun popcorn flicks in my opinion. Shut your brain off and look at attractive people talk fast, kiss each other and do action stuff. Don’t worry about all that sciency stuff that set the franchise apart from other movies in the sci-fi genre. What really irks me is that this is now the new medium through which Trek stories are told. Super fast pew-pew laser guns, ultra dark bridges on the ships, surface level pseudoscience, lots of lens flares, dutch angles, crying and probably the most egregious sin, not moving the story forward and retconning established characters.

BibbitduBois

I was just as upset with the end, but yes people judge some of these too harshly.

Choof

Why did you post the exact response to multiple people? Like what you like or don't like but being incredulous with other people does no good for anyone

Clay F

I think Cassie will love Star Trek (2009). A good movie. Entertaining. I think she will recognized differences with old Trek, and will like some of those differences in favor of Star Trek (2009). The critics liked Star Trek (2009). Metacritic 82%, RT 94% -- Star Trek (2009) Metacritic 68%, RT 86% -- ST II: Wrath of Khan (1982) Metacritic 71%, RT 82% -- ST IV: The Voyage Home (1986) Metacritic 65%, RT 83% -- ST VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) Metacritic 56%, RT 48% -- Twilight (2008) Metacritic 61%, RT 57% -- Transformers (2007)

JFC

You got through 7 seasons and 3 movies without anyone spoiling the wedding, that's an enormous achievement.

Chris B.

Agreed. I think Cassie should watch Picard Season 3, and ignore entirely the first two seasons. I know she's not a fan of skipping things like that, but in this specific case I feel it makes complete sense. Despite her forgiving nature towards some of the flaws in Trek, Picard seasons 1 and 2 would do nothing whatsoever to enrich her time, but instead only waste it entirely. Of course, DS9 and even some of Voyager (with its amoral tyrant Janeway) are great as well, but DS9's connected storylines require quite a lot more commitment than just a handful of episodes, and Voyager is just such a mixed bag and in parts just as bad as Picard Seasons 1 and 2.

Darren Harrison

Just watched the movie for the first time and my reaction was completely opposite of Cassie’s. Pretty terrible, melodramatic nonsense. Maybe it’s because I have no emotional connection to the TNG characters, but I was watching the movie getting bored and counting the minutes until it was over

Walter

This is the first time I've watched this movie since it was released in theaters. The ending is not as bad as my memory of it. I would rank the Next Gen films the same as Cassie - First Contact, Insurrection, Nemesis, then Generations. It was just fun to see this crew on another big screen adventure.

Phil Stubblefield

I get that, but as someone who recorded most of the original airings of TNG on *VHS* tapes, I feel exactly the same as Cassie: [SPOILERS!] the wedding was fantastic, and losing Data was crushing. OTOH, he always aspired to evolve beyond his original creation, and "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends."

JPDotCom23

You should watch 'Star Trek: Picard'

Caruthers Willaby

I'll have to put in my vote for DS9 at some point.

Dustin Rumsey

I agree, Clay - the JJ haters just sound like vitrial, no substance on why it's "the opposite of Star Trek". Yes, they're designed to be blockbusters, but that doesn't mean the people making them didn't care, and I found them very thoughtful in the characterisations, e.g. how would it look if these characters were confronted with certain events (almost got into spoiler territory, y'all know what I mean) and themes, like how society deals with fear and threat in "Into Darkness"

Robert da Spruce

Well…all good things First off, whoever got you the T-shirt 👍 Second, I enjoyed the film personally. Except the fact that we lose Data. Maybe it was a good thing a lot of people told you that it wasn’t great. Going in with too high expectations often lessons your enjoyment of a movie. You definitely need to go back and watch the entire TNG series on your own time. So many great episodes that you just didn’t have time for on the channel You know you’re gonna start jonesing for your Picard fix soon Cassie 😉 Looking forward to the Star Trek reboot films. I think you will enjoy them! But for my money TNG is still the best!

Dustin Rumsey

Yeeaahh, season 2 is rough, and I really wanted to like all of it

Dustin Rumsey

I was surprised in rewatching this that I had the thought "it's too bad two-part movies weren't trending yet!" They had so many ideas crammed in here, I honestly think it could have succeeded more as a well-paced two part idea. Lots of Picard and Shinzon getting on, digging into the "mirror darkly" concept, slowly reveling his megalomaniac psychosis, developing Reman telepathy and Troi's susceptibility-then-counter, Riker and the Viceroy actually having a rivalry, just flat out more for each character to do - on and on!

Caomhan84

I don't love season 3, but I liked it. I think that they were clearly trying to redeem the show, after seasons 1 and 2 really just....sigh. I look at season 1 especially and it's just frustrating. Because all they had to do is hire one of the original TNG writers, to give them a second crack at writing Jean-Luc. Several of them were working on the Orville at the same time, and they were doing great work. So it's clear to me that they weren't losing a step or anything. But the people who did Picard (and Patrick Stewart is to blame for this as well) were so dead-set on doing things DIFFERENTLY. Different is fine, but not at the expense of beloved characters. And that's what happened with Jean-Luc Picard, especially in season 1. I remember watching it with a lifelong friend of mine who was also a Star Trek fan like me, and we were screaming at the screen at times. And I never do that. But I was doing that at several points during that show...because some of the decisions they made and the character stuff they did made NO SENSE. So the show starts off digging itself into a hole. Season 3 did just enough to dig it out. But I can't help feeling that it could have been so much better. So, so much better.

Orion

Please watch Picard season 3… it’s everything you want. Just read a recap of seasons 1 & 2 .. friends, we know she would love it!!

Gregory

Everyone saying Picard season 3, remember we need to get through the Kelvin movies first, then Picard Season 3 and Cassie really needs to see the OTOY - Unification short as well

Clarence Newman

@Witchfinder. I think it's the very fact that I don't see them as true Trek that prevents me from comparing too closely or getting riled up about them. I have a ton of real Trek to rewatch whenever I want to, so the Pine Treks are nothing more than a curiosity to me. I see why people don't like them, I see why newer fans do, but to me it's not that important. Reboots are done by a different generation of filmmakers FOR a different generation of filmgoers. If they're not made for us, and don't fit into our ideal of what the franchise should be, I don't really care because it doesn't hurt anything that went before. Let the millennials have their 21st century take on it (which I think Cassie will enjoy because they're ok films on their own), while we enjoy the real deal whenever we want to. Beyond that, I'm not really bothered.

Grad

TOS

Chris Parker

I'm going to agree on watching Picard season 3. I think it will give you better closure on TNG. Please avoid seasons 1 and 2 at all costs.

Clay F

Trek could end on the channel after the Kelvin films. Who knows. Cassie has been great giving us a lot of Trek.

TechJJ

Season 1 and 2 are not bad if you are a Picard fan and likes various supporting characters. I actually liked them but will just re-watch them less than S3. Remember she likes all TNG movies while some fans here hate the last one. It's just not necessary to enjoy Season 3 as Cassie's fans here can fill her in.

John Sullivan

Take the example of how the writers treated Picard's relationships with Data. In TNG, Picard didn't treat Data like his oldest, deepest friend. We as fans liked both characters. It feels like the writers just picked up on the fan nostalgia rather than exploring the relationships established in TNG

Ben Schwartz

I believe she already watched TOS

Seven Coughlin

This one is hard and I for one am of the opinion that this one was not bad movie just a bit busy and had many missteps in the story but the acting and action almost undoes all that and Nemesis does have a “legacy” that it casts further down the road and still has a place in my heart as a solid movie and certainly more cinematic than insurrection which to me was the odd man out. Not that it was bad but felt more like a two part episode vs a movie.

Seven Coughlin

Also I support a full watch of the Picard series! Amazing performances and solid writing all the way through and some answers as to how the Chris Pine movies connect to everything and just more adventures with our favorite Captain!!!

Stephen Dias

I actually own this movie, but hadn't watched it in years. It's better than I remembered. Why have I been avoiding it? Maybe because it was the end of a beloved series, which is always bittersweet for me. Of course, now we have "Picard."

Ben Schwartz

Thanks for watching this Cassie. It was better than I remember... I just didn't like it as a final TNG movie, and I don't think it did all that well in the theaters (not that we care about such things). But yeah, you're right... it's a good movie. You REALLY, REALLY have to watch Picard season 3... whether it's here or on your own. You must.

Ben Schwartz

That's what I said... definitely better than I remembered. It has aged like a vintage wine in certain ways.

Eyal P

Cassie, there's a deleted ending scene for Star Trek:Nemesis that is more light-hearted and it also has a joke that references one of YOUR recurring responses throughout the series, it's in low quality but you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b8jsrDl89M

Chris Retzlaff

Uggg, Irving Berlin. Greatest line ever from Worf

Chris Retzlaff

Lol, I don't know why my keyboard does that, I think it thought I was going to put early morning

Seven Coughlin

Agreed it was too busy but the actors and action kinda made up for a lot of that

Seven Coughlin

I’m glad the scene was cut but agreed it’s fun to watch especially for THAT joke!

Seven Coughlin

I think they are short enough to watch and “space” (pun intended) them out like not as all at once as Next Gen and the movies. Watch a season and then take a month off then watch another etc…

Dustin Rumsey

Yeah, Tom Hardy is great, and the space battle is endlessly rewatchble for me

Joshua Langweil

Back when I saw this in theaters, it was a 'even' numbered film, so it had high expectations. I think my main problems were Tom Hardy looking nothing like Patrick Stewart, and that was really affecting the credibility of the plot (that old photo of Picard/Hardy make the whole theater laugh out loud). Also, I never quite understood Shinzon motivations for total destruction and why all the Remans went along with it. So basically the plot made no sense to me. But watching it again, I enjoyed watching it with you, and maybe it's not that bad. I believe the cast hated making it, the new director new NOTHING about Star Trek. It made next to nothing at the box office, and spelled the end of the TNG movie franchise.

Chris Retzlaff

Cassie don't read........season 2 oof Picard is atrocious, thank God they were already filming Season 3. Dr Jaborg Queen was ridiculous and events in season 2 were out right offensive

Chris Retzlaff

So why did this movie not work.... Couple reasons..... After years and years and years......the Argo had tires!!! What why?? As some would say is illogical. Lower Decks brought it back so it's a bit more tolerable. Young Picard Retcon to look like Tom Hardy was a stretch. I love that you were blown away Tom Hardy was Picard.....When he really started blowing up I would tell people about this movie. And the B4 character wasn't really great, Spiner made some choices.....that voice..like being a little kid but coming across as special needs didn't work. There were alot of things I did enjoy. Some of the Action scenes were great, even the escape in the Romulan shuttlecraft was really good....notice no tires on that vehicle.... Tires....???

Clay F

I liked S1 ok but had a hard time getting through S2. Maybe react to select episodes of S1 and all of S3

Clarence Newman

Honestly, no matter how much we debate it back and forth, I think there are 3 absolutes when it comes to the Picard series on this channel: 1) Cassie will DEFINITELY end up watching it. 2) She will NOT skip the first two seasons because it would drive her crazy to do so. No amount of warning her off will change this. 3) She will enjoy all 3 seasons because she loves Patrick Stewart and the character of Picard, and has proved time and time again that she's very easily entertained! Sometimes, for Cassie, it's about hanging out with the characters she loves. What they're actually doing is secondary.

DannyB

Picard Season 3 is the PROPER send off for this entire crew and is a must watch

Goofaman

Just happy that this means you can start the new movie set with Chris Pine. Very good.

Ben Schwartz

I think you hit the nail on the head. I enjoyed re-watching it, and it's perhaps better than I remembered. But you're right, the plot is suspect., and I think having a director with ZERO exposure to Star Trek was a bad move. Also, as others here have mentioned, the way they killed Data -- but not really -- was disappointing, felt lacking. Which is odd, because I think Brent Spiner helped write the story.

TechJJ

B4's character worked for me. Spiner did a great job in the context that at no point I think B4 can be Data and vice versa. I (and fore sure Cassie) felt Data's death as Spiner keep acting as B4 doesn't ease that sadness. Argo had tires? why not? Not everything have to have new invention 200 years later. it's dirt terrain so just shuttling around close to surface without touching is not practical. Yes it's hard to find someone look like a younger Picard, but Tom Hardy's acting is good enough.

TechJJ

Nemesis embraces basic Trek philosophy, and that's to represent the contemporary issues in an allegory. The stem cell research / cloning were such big issues at the time. Many Trek fans also love action films, and Nemesis had some of the most epic and realistic-feel space battles without non-realistic blazing fast maneuvering ships like Star Wars. But I agree, at the time, the motivation of Shinzon to destroy Federation seem forced. But after this rewatch and Trek 2009 I can go along.

Chris Retzlaff

I really liked Tom Hardy, but when he looks at that Academy photo, I guess I expected it to look like him in Tapestry. Tires.....it would be more practical in an offroad scenario to just fly over it. Once you can use unlimited hover or flight you would never have to put in suspension and tires.

shireknight

I know you said you're going to go back and watch more of the original series but just out of interest Cassie, after that are you going to continue into Star Trek and watch some Deep Space Nine and Voyager or are you calling it quits with Next Generation please?

Clay F

In the intro of this reaction, she said she is excited to next get to the Chris Pine Trek movies. She has nor mentioned reacting to any Trek after that.

George G

I was not a huge fan of the final 2 movies but after rewatching Insurrection and Nemesis they weren't quite as bad as I remembered. Not all that great but not up to the level of First Contact. For me the main reason that I didn't like them as much was the overall darker cinematography and the monochromatic look to it. Dark interiors, all grey uniforms with just a touch of color. It just didn't "look" like Star Trek. In the same way sort of it's the reason why I didn't like the first TOS movie. The light pastel color palette and uniforms was, for me, off putting .

George G

Contrary to popular opinion here I really enjoyed Enterprise, especially the first season. I liked the idea of the beginning stages of deep space exploration where they have to figure things out on the fly without all the fancy more advanced tech of the 23rd century.

DSM The Editor

Even though it's not great, always a soft spot for the TNG crew

Don Ross

So I just watched this for the first time with you, and it was awesome to achieve. I pretty much watched it because of you. Now I know that Will is now Mr. Troi and Data is dead in the future, because I watched Picard series. Which I think you know owe yourself to watch, at least the first season. It won't bring Data back but it might make it hurt less.

Billy Higgins

Cassie please watch Star Trek Picard Season 3 ❤️

Ortizmo

"I don't want it to be over!" It's not. Watch the first two seasons of "Picard" if you must. I'll watch with you. But DEFINITELY treat yourself to Season 3. I cannot stress this enough.

Ortizmo

You {JD} are allowed to be wrong, and you are.

Oscar Ortega

I love Enterprise. Scott Bakula did a great Captain

Big Lazy Dragon

I think we've all been rooting for Riker & Troi to hook back up since Day One of the series. Seeing Cassie's reaction to the wedding was great, and the look on her face when she realized that Riker wasn't kidding when he said that when they would be repeating the ceremony on Betazed, they would be sans clothing was priceless (yes, it was established early on in the series that in traditional Betazed wedding ceremonies, the wedding party is naked. In fact, during the fifth season episode 'Cost of Living', where Deanna's mother Lwaxana Troi (played by Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, best known for playing Christine Chapel in the original series), after impulsively agreeing to marry a man she 'met' through a computerized matchmaking system, only to discover that he wasn't what she imagined, she shows up at her own wedding naked, per Betazed wedding customs, only for her 'intended' to call the whole thing off). I think Cassie should also go back & watch the second season episode 'Manhunt' now that her dream of Riker & Deanna getting together has been realized. There's a juicy little tidbit about what happens to Betazed women when they enter the human equivalent of menopause (know as 'the Phase') that has to do with their sex drive (Lwaxana was going through the Phase during that episode, with her setting her sights on pretty much all the major male crew members on the ship, including Wesley, Worf, Picard & even Riker, which did not make Deanna very happy).

Rick Williams

Great Reaction Cassie. I don't know why some are so critical of this movie. I thought it was a good movie.

Ricky

Does Cassie plan on watching the Picard series?

John A

I enjoyed all of them, but the final 2 compared to "Frist Contact" could not compare. I think that was why some not like the last two, but I still enjoyed them all

McShades

I think a lot of fans didn't like this movie because of what happened to Data. Personally I enjoyed it You'll need to watch the series "Picard" when you get a chance. Although to fully understand everything in it, you kind of need to watch Deep Space Nine and Voyager. As for rankings, It would be First Contact, Generations, Nemesis and then Insurrection. The reason for Insurrection being last is because it felt more like a TV Episode of TNG then a Movie, although I did enjoy it.

McShades

She'll be a little confused with that series unless she watches Deep Space 9 and Voyager, as characters and plot lines are taken from both those shows.