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The Last of Us (S2:E2) - Full Reaction (Patreon)

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I don't have it in me to write a paragraph for this one... also if you haven't seen the show or this episode I wouldn't read the comments until you do.

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2-Can

How does this rate on the Veronica Mars scale?

Nathan Jasper

*hugs* Now you know the gamer pain 😢 Abby's not a villain, she's a girl in pain. From her perspective, she's completely justified. It hurts like hell, but I can't be mad at her either.

Above Average Dave

Welp, if this wrecked you like this you'd better stay away from GAME OF THRONES.

Paul Peavler

Haven’t seen the episode yet, was waiting for this. But having played the game a few times, I know what’s coming. I honestly expected it to happen in episode 1.

Lock_Down

We understand, wad devastated during playthrough

Bill Maurer

Great, great TV Episode. One of the all time best and I loved GoT. PS: Kaitlyn Dever is a great, great actress!!! Does not get the credit she deserves

fromage

I was actually worried for you (and other non-gamer TLOU2 reactors) when it came to this moment in the story. It's an absolutely devastating part of the game that at the time of release 5 years ago caused A LOT of gamers to just stop playing. I hope this doesn't happen to viewers of the show.

K, Zachary

We watched it last night. No I am not crying. She was crying 😭. Excuse me I have something in my eye😢 So big breath that's what the producers said afterward. I have talked to several people today. That had the same reaction you did.

Cole Jennett

The show is excellent. Enjoy the fact that you played the game first, let others enjoy the show.

Joseph Fabian

Oh please keep going! It’s a great story! I personally loved both of the games, watching Ellie become what she becomes is a journey. Keep going with it!

Steve Mercier

I'm not a gamer either, and...Wow! What a heart-wrenching, devastating, absolutely spectacular episode. It stuck a knife in me. And twisted it. And...I kind of love it for that. I love when a show or a movie or a comic book or whatever can make you care about characters so much they feel true-to-life and lived-in. And then to have the cajones to kill off one of these people--for the purpose of storytelling, and not just shock value--is for me a high watermark of the craft. Haven't watched your reaction yet--only read a few of the comments. Hope you hang in there. I know I am.

TheSingulatarian

You might like the "The Walking Dead". The first season is only 6 episodes so you could watch the whole thing. You could then take the same approach you used with "Star Trek" and have fans vote on the top 5 Episodes of the season as there are something like 13 seasons of "The Walking Dead" and it drags a bit. I think you would enjoy it.

Jareedy

As a player of the game I’ve been wanting to see this for quite some time but same like you once they killed him in the game I quit. I have still yet to finish the game on my own till this day

Jayson Phillips

Still have to watch Arcane: best show on Netflix right now, the Art, the music, the voice actors are all 10/10. But you have to watch it with sissy because its about sisters.

Anthony K.

It’s okay to be emotionally invested in fiction! As someone who played the game, I was devastated to the point where I had to put the controller down and take a long walk. Luckily, it was during Covid, so not many people saw me crying. lol. That being said, I do hope you continue, Cassie! Despite all the trauma, there are some truly beautiful moments left to come!

JC

That was pretty much everyone's first impression when the game came out.

Michael West

One of the things that I find most enjoyable about your reactions is your ability to so deeply and emotionally place yourself into the movie or show. You experience the story as if you are part of it. Don't ever lose that. These episodes make it difficult because you are so invested, but I hope you will keep watching. Thanks again, for creating such a great channel.

Bill Maurer

"Stop living on Fire!" "Got a bloater" New ones from Cassie

Joe J

I'm stopping also Cassie. Without Joel, the show is of no interest to me as I'm not invested in the other characters to any great degree.

Choof

Knew this would destroy you. It sucks seeing you so tormented but strictly from a reaction standpoint this was fantastic and I'm glad it wasn't spoiled years ago. Your reaction matches a lot of the gamers when the 2nd game came out. It was probably the most heated moment in gaming ever. Whether you choose to keep going or decide to stop i understand and support it.

WestBound

When the game came out it literally split the fans . Many hated how he died .

Justin Cummings

There will be more Joel scenes in flashbacks.

Tyler Maxwell

I'm glad to see you're emotionally invested, Cassie. I would encourage you to continue watching. You may be surprised by what you find. I personally love the story, and see it as still very much a story about Ellie AND Joel.

Eric

Perfect example of hatred and suffering breeding more hatred and suffering.

RX2904

In the game you start playing as Abby for a while and I just couldn’t. I kept having her killed on purpose. I was so angry and felt betrayed. Luckily my anger never expanded towards the actress and still doesn’t. But boy that decision to have Joel killed like that… gutsy from a developer standpoint, devastating as a viewer, unforgivable as a fan.

zynjams

naughty dog ruined the best video game ever.

Bill Maurer

Cassie is great at this. Best on the web and anywhere else

Paul Peavler

You’re supposed to hate how he died, I feel like people that hate the game or say it was ruined by Naughty Dog really didn’t get the point.

Wes

Ugh. I knew this wouldn’t go well for Cassie 😩

aarswft

I don't understand how you can say "Joel is the game" if you haven't played any of it.

Paul Peavler

Just wanted to share an interesting point - the song at the end of the episode was sung by Ashley Johnson, the actress that played Ellie in the games and played Ellie’s mom in the first season. I just want to say, that if you’re upset about Joel’s death, you should be. That was the intent. I don’t want to go too deeply into things for spoiler reasons, but Joel’s death is an important part of the story that’s being told, and it happening when it does and how it does is specifically meant to make you feel a certain way now and at the end of the story. And if the show follows the game at all, this won’t be the last time you see Joel, there are a lot of flashbacks throughout the game that fill out the story a lot more. I would urge you to stick with it.

Joe J

Probably not, Lol.

Joe J

Her heart ain't in it no more.

Joe J

It's gonna happen, HBO subscribers be saying bye-bye, Lol.

D. T. Nelson

True to the game. Game one was Joel's story. Game 2 is Ellie's story. If they stick as close to the game as they have so far it won't be the last time you see Joel. There are five years of story between the first and second game. Important story. And to have the light, you must endure the shadows.

Lee

Your anger and sadness are all things that those of us that played the games felt as well. You shouldn't feel ashamed or embarrassed about having those feelings. That's the whole point of a good story! Anyone that pokes fun at you for that is insecure with their own feelings. And as upset as you may be right now, give it a few days. I'm sure you'll feel differently about continuing the show....I would strongly advise that you do! There's a lot more to this story and you don't want to miss it!

zynjams

sorry, but no, I still wont forgive naughty dog for killing off Joel, and still wont watch season 2 of the Last of Us, and yes I killed Abby hundreds of times in the game.

OddThomas

Finish the show; if you still feel the same about Abby I will understand but the point is she and Ellie are flipsides of the same coin. If we didn't know Joel and we heard Abby's story we would 100% be on her side. Ellie wants revenge now just like Abby did; it's a vicious cycle.

Jordan Bush

It's not dumb, Cassie, the way you're feeling. Joel is one of the best and most complicated protagonists in video game (and TV) history. It's deeply deeply sad, and many many gamers had the same reaction you did, and many of them didn't keep playing the game. There is more Joel coming this season, told through flashbacks, and has such emotional impact. The Last of Us Part II is, in my opinion, the best story ever told through Video Games, and while the show may be slightly different, I believe it will be one of the best apocalyptic stories ever put to screen. It's my favorite game of all time, and a lot of it has to do with the weight that Joel and his death makes us feel as a player and as someone who "grew" with these characters. It hurts, but I would love you to keep watching. Lots of Love. xx

Jordan Bush

Yeah I felt such anger when the flashback to abby started and I realized what they were doing, but even before her intro ended I was on board and just shellshocked by it. Incredible work.

Gary Brown

Cassie, ur not nor will u ever be an idiot for getting emotionally invested in a show or its characters because I'm the same way. I wouldn't blame u if u quit watching. I'm seriously thinking about quitting the show myself. I watch the show for Joel and Ellie, not for Ellie. They have such good chemistry and I've said when Joel dies, I'm quitting the show. So there's a strong chance I'm checking out since Joel was killed, I'm not interested in watching Ellie's journey for revenge. It was a good show in its first season, It was a heartbreaking death. He didn't deserve that. Its lost its magic for me . Whatever u decide to do ,i'm with u 100%. Until next time, Stay Golden.

Adam

I stopped playing the game after this scene. Wouldn’t blame you at all if you chose to stop watching. I picked it back up a few years later and finished. But I’m with you, it just made me so angry!

Blaze118

Yeah it's alright Cassie. Your anger and sadness is exactly how I felt in the game. That being said I'm gonna skip the rest of the show just because of how much resentment I have towards the game. I understand everyone's point of view, those that quit the game or also werent fans of it by the end, those who still loved it, those who liked Abby, those who have good arguments behind the decisions and characters. Not going to try and dispute anyone's opinions or beliefs of the game and by extension the show. But I'm sitting the rest of this one out. I hope Cassie can push through and find enjoyment in the rest of the season

RX2904

I was partly in awe that they would try this, it was so like “wow, after this they are really trying to make me like her by playing her” and at the same time I felt like being manipulated into liking her which ironically made me hate Abby even more.

TechJJ

We know how you feel, as all gamers who played the game. We built our hate for Abby. That is exactly what the creators want us to feel. A lot of gamers quit and some came back after some time off. For those who finished the end result is an appreciation for a complete masterpiece of storytelling, different than the first game. So it's worth it to continue. Most people's perspective change at the end. If you need time away, I understand. I think at least watch the next episode for some healing. I heard Joel's fate before second game was released back in June 2020 and I, like many, got angry and decided not to play the game for couple of years. Once I finally played through the story, I got mad at myself for listening to haters and deprived myself to the enjoyment of the game, and how this masterpiece manipulated my emotions to no end. Footnote: The game hit harder at this point early in the story, because Abby's targeting Joel wasn't revealed until shooting at the knee event. Also, the game story did not reveal that Abby's Dad is the doctor until half way through the game. The upfront revealing does bring a bit of sympathy to Abby from the start. Just a tiny bit. They probably don't want a mass abandonment, public outcry, or serious death threats! But the tradeoff of revealing early means later on there won't as great of a "light bulb on" moment. I'm sure the creators have something else up their sleeves to shock us! Hang in there. You might now look at golfing in a different light also! lol...

David Freese

My heart went out to you after this. I knew what was coming but it made it more intense with you being emotional. Please continue if you can. We know you're emotions aren't fake thats why we watch along.

David Freese

Blaze i understand your feelings but as a gamer didn't you know this was going to happen in the show as well?

Clay F

I was like you, I was thinking this is such an excellent episode, one of the best episodes in the series (or even in TV history), but then the end came. In the after show (as you apparently saw), Bella said she cried when reading the script at that point. Pedro said he becomes attached to characters in books and shows. I've read comments here that Joel continues to appear in the game in flashbacks, so I will watch the rest of S2. A difficult transition, but maybe even one that you could make.

Above Average Dave

This show lost me twice last year. Early on, maybe three episodes in, they really lost moving the story forward, so I bailed. I was encouraged by friends to jump back in and see it to the end, so grudgingly did so. But they lost me by the end again as I found Ellie just unlikeable. Cassie is right, Joel is/was the heart of the show. And the fact that he didn't even try to explain himself before he gets retribution didn't fit his character. Also, Abby and her crew were so unconvincing to me. And Abby is supposed to be some hardcore fighter? Please. She's like five foot nothing and as wide as a weed. So now you have Ellie and Abby going forward? I don't care who they try to work in to take the moral center back - it will be more of the same lame. So, yeah, hard, hard pass for me. Enjoy, folks.

David Freese

Unfortunately I think around season 4 and 5 it would get to bloody and gory for Cassie even though its alot better story than Last of Us imo. Rereading the comics right now.

Ricardo Alanis

Sadly, I knew this would wreck you. Playing the game, this was a huge gut punch. There will be scenes with Joel that wrap the entire narrative and how Ellie’s story moves forward and I hope you keep watching.

Joe J

I think she's leaving the rodeo Clay. I mean her heart ain't in it, so any more reactions wouldn't rise above the mundane.

Clay F

Not at all. She could very well end up liking S2 better than S1.

Joe J

You're kidding yourself there Clay.

Blaze118

I'm well aware. I played through the whole game and had a feeling this was going to happen. But 2 things, part of me hoped something would change, and if it didn't I'd power on through the show. Ah well, I hope Cassie can power on through it and enjoy it to the best of her abilities

Nathan Jasper

Don't listen to people that say "it's just a show". Just because they have the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't mean you have to. Think about it this way, if we saw season 1 from Abby's point of view, her dad almost finding a cure for mankind just to die by some smuggler's hand, we'd hate Joel.

Above Average Dave

Confirms, then, that I am not the intended audience. Thanks, Nathan.

Cole Jennett

It’s been pretty obvious that Pedro Pascal was “the show” for her.

Nathan Jasper

Not making up in time and losing people is life, Cass.

Alex Anderson

Bella Ramsey is beyond unbearable.

Clay F

You don't know Joe. Many like Part 2 better than Part 1. She had big attachment to Joel but also to Ellie. Don't kid yourself -- instead, give her time to collect herself.

Cole Jennett

It is all about perspective. There are 2 sides to everything and you have to look at both ends. That’s hard to do sometimes.

Cole Jennett

The episode you didn’t feel moved the story along (you aren’t wrong really) was one of the best episodes of television I have ever seen. It had the opposite effect on me. Flashbacks flesh out a story and they have done an excellent job of telling that story imo.

Clay F

People rant/rave about Kaitlyn Dever having a magnetic presence, but I have yet to detect that -- however, I haven't seen enough of her. I didn't even know who she was until last episode. I would not have recognized her before last episode. She does seem to have some charisma and good acting. She is apparently good in Booksmart (2019). As for the story, to me, Abby's dad (the doctor) deserved to die for being in the process of killing Ellie for an unrealistic vaccine. Further, Joel gave the doctor a chance, but the doctor said "I won't let you take her." Joel didn't have time to look at the doctor -- it was all he could do to get out of there saving Ellie.

David Freese

She has never stopped in the middle of a season during reactions. So I believe like Clay she will be at it again next week.

Clay F

The fact that Joel will continue to appear makes a difference for me. Not the typical flashbacks, but apparently extended and with dramatic effect. I think we have a chance to see some excellent TV in S2, even better than S1. The series "This is Us" flashed back to when the dad was alive, and I was ok with that (and she apparently liked that series).

Gerald

Awesome reaction. Having played the games, I was exactly like her when it happened. Her reaction was making me laugh so much though. But I continued the game and it was honestly my favorite of the two.

Joe J

I think many have now abandoned the show, and Cassie may indeed be one of them. Be curious to see the ratings drop for the remaining episodes.

Alex Gorell

I stopped playing the game for like 3 months after this part, and I hated the rest of the game when I did play it. I wouldn't be mad if you stopped watching it.

Uncle Phoenix

Seriously though, I’m more scared of Not Making Up in Time, then the Infected. Gotta love everyone, all the time.

Cole Jennett

I knew her from Short Term 12, and then the sitcom Last Man Standing with Tim Allen. She was always excellent. I initially thought it was odd casting because she and Bella Ramsey could easily be sisters. I’m going to leave your take on the doctor alone as I think we’ve been down that road already.

Uncle Phoenix

And Honestly, no one wants to watch a Reaction Video from someone who is already Dead On The Inside.

Nathan Jasper

Exactly, that's why I'm not a reactor LOL

Nathan Jasper

Seriously though, you're absolutely right. Trolls gonna troll.

Clay F

I saw she was in Last Man Standing, a long running series that I did not watch. Short Term 12 is on my watchlist. Glad to hear she was excellent. Makes me look even more forward to S2.

Uncle Phoenix

@Cole Jennet Yup. Joel and Ron Swanson made the first season for me.

TechJJ

Yes I know. That's unfortunate. Some will just lose interest because no Pedro Pascal (or playable Joel). They don't get to experience and appreciate it, assuming the show's story stay the course that of the game.

Uncle Phoenix

Now, I have to figure out when this show comes out every week; because the morning news Spoiled the plot before I even got my first cup of coffee this morning.

Cole Jennett

Sunday evening’s in North America.

Terry Yelmene

It's the agony... I'n sorry for the agony that Cassie felt here... but... it's the feeling that makes me watch PiB.

Terry Yelmene

You're absolutely right! It's Ellie. It's Ellie who IS... THE LAST OF US!

Robert da Spruce

It’s not silly at all to be angry Cassie. I feel the exact same way 😭 Joel was my favorite character hands down. And all my enthusiasm for the show got sucked right out after his death. I haven’t played the game. So I have no idea what’s going to happen. I will most likely watch the rest of the season. But that “can’t wait for the next episode” feeling is totally gone 😢 People that have played the game have had time to absorb and acclimate to the idea. So I think it’s less impactful for them. For those us that haven’t, this was devastating. Hopefully, I’ll feel like watching again before the next episode comes

Yaisu

I knew what was coming but i didn't expect it so soon.

Bill Maurer

Hammer hitting the nail on this comment

Bill Maurer

I love Tim Allen, from his standup comic days and Home Improvement. I started watching "Last Man Standing" after it got cancelled and moved to Fox. After binge watching a few episodes, I was hooked on Kaitlyn as an actress. She more than held her own to Tim and others on that show who had a A LOT more experience than her. Great and still young actress

Above Average Dave

It was lovely and well told. Here’ my problem - and it’s MY problem, really - when I worked out there and would make the rounds with a script, the one note I would get whether it was a feature film or pilot script was “Move the story forward. Always!” I even met with one very famous producer who was interested in a pilot and decided he wanted three more episodes to see what I would do with it. I wrote a scene, not even an episode but a scene like that one only different. He talked to me about how much he loved the scene, how great the dialogue and framing was, and how he thought, in just five pages, I had created three characters that, somehow he felt he knew well in just that short five minutes of screen time. And then, they die but a vital plot point is something they had found and left behind. And then he ripped the five pages out of the script and tore them up. “This is what is and should happen to this scene. It’s beautiful, it’s gripping and it's indulgent. Because it doesn’t move the story forward. You’re better than this. Tell me in a line or two and you can make this a story for another show or a movie. It has promise. But it has no place here.” And that I see side-tracked stuff like that regularly in shows now just plays like filler to me. Like someone pitched eight episodes but the studio said give us 10, so we got indulgent and lazy. It’s a turnoff (at least for me - like I said, MY problem) and I think it asks too much of the viewer but it also tells them, “Hey, there’ll be more of this here and there because….(insert reason here). Like I said, my problem. But, yeah, I’m really done now.

Cole Jennett

I thought it was pretty dicey what he did having only known Joel and Ellie’s perspective. I knew the Doctor part was going to come back to haunt him, I just didn’t expect it would be in that way. Thought it would be more to do with ruining a chance at a cure.

Popcorn In Bed

i never forgave them for that one, i also refused to watch that part after i heard

Lock_Down

There there my dear , we were in same situation 5 years ago.

Brian's Dog

Your opinion is the popular prevailing opinion, I don't mind if you stop watching it. I loved the first game since the day it came out, but never bought the second game when I heard about this. This is the start of the era of movies and video games where the directors started poisoning their sequels to spite their fans. This is the start of how we got here.

Nathan Jasper

No, this is the era where fans started poisoning their own fandoms because a handful of them didn't get what they wanted.

Nathan Jasper

Check out Apple Cider Vinegar. She's magnetic AF

Nathan Jasper

Joel didn't give the Doctor a chance LOL Doc saw Joel enter and reacted to the threat. Joel just shot him down. Chance my ass.

Walter

Revenge I get. Torturing someone to death I do not. That's what makes Abby a irredeemable character for me. For me, the show IS Joel and Ellie and I don't really know if Ellie on her own can carry this series. I'm skeptical. But it was shot beautifully. The action was crazy. So I will tune in next week and see. No question the production values are top notch.

Walter

I don't mean to be rude, but I really don't know if Bella Ramsey can carry the show without Pascal. I will tune in to see, but I think they killed one of the main driving forces for a lot of their audience.

Clay F

Good point, but Pascal is likely going nowhere. Tune to see.

Chris Retzlaff

Keep in mind, you will still see Joel in Flashbacks...but with that said the game story is fantastic....so I imagine they will structure the show a bit more so that you will find Dina, Jesse, and Tommy great counterparts to Ellie...and I must say..Kaitlyn Devers killed the role of Abby killing the role of Joel....

2-Can

So if you keep watching TLOU, then Veronica Mars is still the pinnacle for you?

ryany

What does Abby's size have to do with absolutely anything? When there are 3 people with guns standing behind them, you'd be terrified of an 8 year old in a wheel chair if their intent was to harm you. She wasn't displayed as a "hardcore fighter" she is an enraged person, on a death vendetta and with a squad at her back. Size doesn't matter Out of character for Joel?? that is absolutely in character for Joel. He's been living this life for 25 years, knows he is dead and any nonsense story is just going to be his last words on deaf ears. He's not saying a word that could put Ellie in harms way, because he doesn't know if they know and certainly isn't telling them

AdrianF

Such a well done episode, BR improved a bit too. I evidently know nothing about acting, but the most important character in the show is played by, for me, the weakest actor. It wasn't so grating in Se1 because she was supposed to be young, but it sticks out now she's '19'.

Cole Jennett

I thought she played 14 really well. I believe her as 19 in the new episodes too.

Ian A

It's a heart wrenching thing. Joel was one of my favorite characters in media, especially Pedro as him. I'm still looking forward to maybe seeing him in flashbacks. I feel worried for the actress playing Abby. She is going to get so much unreasonable and toxic hate. Some people can't distinguish the person from the role. I am glad Pedro tweeted out right after the show a picture of him and Abby hugging, to hopefully stop some fires before they start.

Rod Reavern

I knew this was coming. I just can't believe they did it this early in the season. I don't care that it's faithful to the game, the MAJORITY of fans of TLOU game HATED what happened in the sequel. I don't respect Neil Druckman's "creative or narrative vision". I believe what he did was a total betrayal of the original characters, and would not have happened if Bruce Straley had been co-director of TLOU2. TLOU2 offered nothing new or insightful about the self-destructive and cyclical nature of revenge. It was just grim, mean-spirited, and pointless. More than anything, it was PEAK ARROGANCE and HUBRIS to ignore the negative backlash about TLOU2 and tell the exact same story in Season 2. This isn't about creative integrity; it's 100% about Neil Druckman being a DIVA who won't listen to anyone. I guarantee he will get his comeuppance when his next game flops. And when that happens, the truth will come out about what it's really like to work with him -- and there are already rumours he's incredibly difficult -- and his career will be over. Good riddance. Aside from the miserable ending, this episode was great. The tension and foreboding was riveting, and the scale of the battle was impressive. The only thing I didn't like was that Jackson's wall was so weak that single Bloater breached it. I know exaclty what siege experts will say, and I agree: Where was the DITCH!? Every fortification must have a ditch (or a moat), and as usual, Hollywood never includes this essential defensive obstacle. A 6-foot deep ditch just 10 feet in front of the wall would've stopped the Infected horde in its tracks, and would've been PERFECT to drop the fuel barrels into and burned them all, at safe distance from the wood log wall. (I thought for sure the burning infected were going to set the log wall on fire.) But of course, it isn't as thrilling if the zombie horde doesn't get past the wall, so the defenses MUST BE FLAWED. It's frustrating because it's possible to make the defenses correctly, and have the Infected horde overcome them anyway. The horde could've been so large they filled up the ditch, then MULTIPLE Bloaters smashed through the wall. Or something more creative, like Bloaters throwing Infected up over the wall. There are plenty of cool ideas, they just chose none of them. It's also frustrating that Tommy mentioned "heavy weapons" at the beginning, but apparently those were just flamethrowers? They didn't have a single medium or heavy machine gun or anti-tank rocket launcher, even though Joel said last season that abandoned military vehicles and weapons could be found all over from the Collapse. Or a large calibre rifle, like a .50 cal Barrett, which could've blown the Bloater's head off. It would've been far more interesting if Tommy had a .50 cal, saw multiple Bloaters incoming, sniped at least one of them, but couldn't stop the others from breaching the wall. Then he either ran out of .50 cal bullets or the Barrett was too cumbersome to use inside the city, which is why he switched to the flamethrower. The worst aspect of the battle was the turning of the tide with the attack dogs. Firstly, Maria had ridiculous plot armour to make it through the horde to let loose the dogs. WHY wasn't someone standing by in the kennel with a radio, waiting for Maria's order to set the dogs loose? Second, I believe that cordyceps can infect animals, so the dogs that mauled the Infected are all infected and must be put down. If I'm mistaken and only humans are susceptible, WHY wouldn't doctors research animals' immunity and develop a cure or vaccine from that? Instead, Ellie is the miracle child. Returning to the worst part of the episode (this is deep enough into my comment it'll be hidden unless you clicked on it--regardless, SPOILER WARNING:) I disliked that Joel didn't try to defend himself, either physically or verbally. Again, I believe it was a betrayal by the narrative direction to make Joel just sit there silently while Abby RANTED about her poor dead daddy (who pulled a scalpel on Joel BTW and was about to kill Ellie), and then she had a hissyfit when Joel told her to shut up and get it over with. That's why Abby SUCKS as a character. She's completely blinded by vengeance, she's oblivious to her hypocrisy, and she doesn't care about anything else, like WHY Joel killed the doctor and the Fireflies: TO SAVE ELLIE! It's unbelievable that Abby's friends stuck with her for 5 years, and then just stood by while she tortured and murdered Joel. For them to come that far, they must have wanted a taste of revenge themselves, so it makes no sense that they didn't participate. ALL of the characters SUCKED, and were incredibly stupid to just walkaway, leaving Ellie and Dina alive -- to perpetuate the cycle of revenge. IDIOTS! It's so unbearably CONTRIVED! I HATE the gutless, sycophantic game journalists who praised Neil Druckman for TLOU2, and now TV journalists will undoubtedly praise TLOU Season 2. This is not good writing, it's just masochism. I agree with Cassie and others that I don't want to watch the rest of Season 2. IF I was a subscriber to MAX, I'd cancel my subscription today to send a message. But I live in Canada and I watch it on CRAVE, which is part of my FibeTV package, so cancelling it would be pointless. I wouldn't blame Cassie for stopping now. I understand.

Cole Jennett

I wonder if the same people who boycotted the game afterwards are the same people that complain that there is no more originality in scripts.

Richard Maurer

I won’t fault anyone for being upset at the death of a favorite character, but rage quitting is not the answer. At least watch a few more episodes to see where they’re going with this. My own opinion is if bad things can’t happen to good characters it just makes for weak storytelling. If this upset you this much Cassie you’re going to want to avoid GoT.

Clay F

Production values are top notch.

AdrianF

I do hope you continue watching. So many people stopped playing the game at this point for the same reasons you feel, but if it sticks to the script as it were then it'll be worth the watch I think.

Clay F

I am watching the episodes Sunday evening right as they premier in North America before any morning news spoilers.

Clay F

I will watch S2. Still have Ellie and the awesome production. Also, Joel is sticking around.

Cole Jennett

Agree about GOT in part, but there are so many more characters in GOT, I don’t think anything will hit “quite” this hard. Definitely don’t want to get into spoiler territory, but it is probably good she saw this first.

AdrianF

I agree, but still think she's the weakest of the main cast. I'm probably comparing her unfavourably to the game (not because she doesn't 'look' right, or anything stupid like that) but because her personality in the show is slightly off for me compared to how she was written in the games. FWIW I didn't think she was great in GoT either.

Clay F

There was no time to negotiate. Joel and Ellie would have both been killed.

Kent

For those that are upset, I understand. Yes, a lot of people fell in love with the Joel/Ellie dynamic and I get that. I did too. But to let that blind you to all of the terrible decisions and actions Joel made throughout the series/game, is to turn a blind eye to your own bias of the father/daughter relationship. Joel murdered so many innocent people. He stole from Ellie, her entire purpose and personal wishes (which is why she was so mad at him - she knew he lied). I'm not saying the torture was justified. While Joel meant well, he did some absolutely abhorrent things. I get that a lot of folks wanted a feel-good progression of the story, but TLOU is not that. It doesn't give into fan service and it won't be for everyone...and believe it or not, it will even get (arguably) worse at times moving forward. I'm not saying it is wrong to be upset...rightfully so. That's the whole point. But maybe dwell on it a little. Put our "shipping" tendencies to rest for a moment and imagine yourself in the shoes of folks on both sides. Ask yourself what you would do if a random man killed your entire family for seemingly no reason. Killed your own father in cold blood. Things aren't always black and white, and TLOU constantly shoves that in your face.

AdrianF

Re the game and its backlash specifically, I don't know ANYONE that has FINISHED the game that didn't love it. Is it difficult to play? Absolutely. But it's also incredibly well done and rewarding if you get past rage quitting at Joel's death/playing as Abby. If you've played the game to completion and think that Abby sucks as a character, then I guess youre the exception that proves my rule. Also, Druckmann wasn't the sole director of TLOU2 as far as I know, or at least he brought in a new writer specifically to help him.

Clay F

The murder of innocent people by Joel and Tommy in the past was disgusting. Fans might like Joel less if the series had shown that. No one except Ellie (and arguably Joel) was innocent in Salt Lake. Joel transitioned to not murdering innocent people. Joel did a lot of good.

Kent

I think that is what the general story excels at, which some isn't present in the TV series due to time constraints. But yeah, almost everyone does both good and bad deeds throughout. There are no true "winners" in this story, and that's something people will inevitably come to grips with...or they simply won't.

Shad Kanyak

I'm glad these seasons are short. Walking Dead always did the same thing. I hated that show, because it was always 20 episodes of nothing happening and then 2 episode where they kill everyone. Hopefully the rest of the season isn't just filler with a showdown finale.

Walter

I think you're downplaying the Joel/Ellie dynamic. That literally was the whole show in season 1. That's not to say the show can't successfully go in a different direction, which clearly it is going to do (I know the game did , I just never played it). And I don't think anyone who enjoyed season 1 had rose tinted glasses on for Joel - I think it was well understood that he did terrible things. Mostly he did them to protect Ellie. And since these were our main point of view characters, I believe most often the audience was on their side. It is daring to say to your audience, "you may have enjoyed what they did earlier, but now they have to pay for it". Maybe they can pull it off. I will stick around for a while to see. My main problem is they killed off the most interesting character. I don't think Ellie is all that interesting on her own, personally.

Kent

I'm definitely not downplaying the dynamic, I assure you. Their dynamic is the reason why what happened is so impactful. It's honestly one of the most emotional things I've experienced in any media, and I have to praise it for that. I know others won't share the same opinion, but it's a bold and risky move to take the story in this direction. After playing the second game all the way through, I can't imagine it going any other way, even as emotionally exhausting as it was.

Rod Reavern

Druckman actually had 2 other co-directors, but they're NOBODIES (they don't even have wiki pages). Obviously, Druckman was so terrible as a game director that he needed TWO people to help him get the job done, whereas the first game's co-director was Bruce Straley, who actually had experience on multiple games as director. Also, there was a co-writer on TLOU2. It doesn't matter because Druckman is still a DIVA who takes credit for everything. Claiming you "don't know anyone" that finished TLOU2 who didn't love it is meaningless. What does that even mean? You could have zero friends, and that statement would technically be true. I find it utterly implausible that you've never encountered anyone who disliked TLOU2, because I've encountered people IRL and online who disliked the original TLOU game (my wife happens to be one of them), which is universally beloved. I believe you're lying or your circle is so small it's irrelevant. Regardless, suppose you actually knew someone who hated TLOU2. In that case, I'm certain they'd tell you the GAMEPLAY was as good or better than the original (because it's basically the same, just refined), but they justly hated the story and characters. That's a major part of the game. As a singleplayer game fan, it's why I play the game. Narrative is the main component of a TV series like TLOU. As Cassie said, she thought it was the greatest episode of TV she ever saw... until the ending ruined it. Now she's questioning whether to continue watching Season 2. That's how BAD it is. This episode was worse than the Red Wedding. That was hard to watch, but TBH none of the characters who died were my favourites. Joel is the co-protagonist, the heart of the show, and Pedro Pascal is the star of the series. The show has lost a huge amount of its appeal by stupidly sticking to the game. There was a 5 YEAR time jump. They could've and should've written a new storyline set during that time; instead, they took the easy way out by simply adapting TLOU2 for TV. It's lazy and lame, and fans of the show are feeling just as betrayed and sad as the fans of the game, and they have every right to be upset. TLOU Season 2 is pure hubris, and will end badly. Not badly in sense of following the game's story, badly in the sense of viewers abandoning the show. I don't know if Season 3 has already been greenlit (probably, because they basically split it in half to drag it out, just like GoT), but if it hasn't, and they're waiting for Season 2's ratings to make their decision, it wouldn't surprise me if the series ratings drop so low after this episode, HBO cancels the series rather than make Season 3.

Astraeos

I would live for Cassies reaction to Game of Thrones lol. I feel so sadistic sometimes, but it's just so damn entertaining!

Astraeos

I don't want to be a pedantic nerd here, but Star Trek The Next Generation was the start of fans poisoning their own fandom because the property changed to become something new, or because certain fans, like you said, just didn't get what they want. Star Trek fans are notorious for this in the 1980's and 1990's. And again, far, far before The Last of Us, was the Star Wars prequels, where the entire fandom of Star Wars STILL can't stop arguing over the prequel movies. Sorry, I just hate misrepresentations.

Cody Nelson

All I can say is, keep watching Cassie. I wish I could say more, but I can't risk spoilers. I can say that in the game the story isn't told chronologically and it looks like that's what they're doing in the show as well.

Miguel

Game of Thrones hasnt been watched??? I just assumed she had watched it outside the channel...

AdrianF

Everyone who I know that completed the second game loved the game. Season 3 has been greenlit FWIW. Imagine still tying yourself in knots 5 years later about a videogame that hurt your feelings though!

Blaze118

Yeah that's a weird comment to make. I played to completion and still definitely hated Abby, not only that but some of the routes the story went. Like I've said in my own comment on here, I understand there are those who outright quit, and those who loved the story after completing the game. I respect their opinions, but I absolutely hate Abby. As for Neil Druckman, he's a pompous narcissist

Shawn Kildal

She was also in the TV series Justified

Rod Reavern

@Nathan Jasper, the Artist Formerly Known as Primary: No. this is the era that Anita Sarkeesian was GRIFTING and ruining successful game franchises i.e. TLOU2 and Saints Row (2021).

Brent Petty

If you DO stop reacting to Last of Us, replace it with John Adams or Generation Kill.

My_Cousin_Mose

I never played the game and I wasn't a fan of the first season at all but I wanted to watch this reaction still. You did not disappoint. All these mean comments you are referring to must come from youtube.

Clay F

Richard, good point about GoT

Clay F

I am just as devastated as everyone else, but there is no way I could stop watching S2 after the incredible production quality of this episode.

Shawn Kildal

This is how I felt when Luka was traded away to the Lakers. "Be a dream, be a dream!"

Ben Dixon

"You didn't see all the good" is such a perfect quote for what the season is about, that is what rage and anger does. Joel didn't see Abby's Dad as a person, he was the thing threatening Ellie. Abby doesnt see Joel as a person with redeeming qualities and value of his own just as the reason her dad died. Im sure whatever Ellie does next she wont see Abby as anything other than Joel's violent horrific end either. A stunning episode of TV. I loved TLOU2 the game and the ways in which it forces you to think and see from different peoples perspective but fully understand some people not wanting that type of conflict in their escapist entertainment. How do you go on? A question posed to the TV viewer now that was posed to the gamers by the game and exactly what Ellie would be feeling.

Keith Jacobsen

I never played the second game, but I did witness someone else play the first 1/4, so I knew, and oh how smug I've felt since the success of the 1st season and the anticipation of this one. 😊

Ben Dixon

I was so curious what the show would do because killing a main game character early in a sequeal is shockingly bold but killing a main character played by Pedro Pascal early in a season of high budget TV seems even an even bolder choice. When they introduced Abby differently in the show than they did the game I thought it was to push back Joel's death.... but no, just went for it.

RX2904

I finished the game and I didn’t love it. I can admit it’s a masterpiece and my opinion or emotions don’t make it any less so. I completely disagree with some of the decisions made and that’s why I didn’t love it and didn’t particularly enjoy playing it.

Above Average Dave

Sorry, but what you wrote there just showed how out of character it was for Joel not to defend himself. For 25 years he's made it in a world filled with monsters, limited resources and people resorting to their absolute baser instincts. He is the ultimate survivor and would at the very least say something. Heck, he saved Abby’s life from the Zombie hordes just a few scenes before this. So, yeah, I think he'd say something like, "Look, I am sorry I killed your dad, I really am. But did you know your dad was about to murder an innocent girl and use her body for some concentration-camp style science experiment that he didn't even know was going to work!? Did you know that? Is that something you would want to happen to you? Or any of your friends here? So, yes, in the heat of the moment I acted. To save an innocent girl. Because I've lived though this hell for 25 years and seen things you can not even imagine. And I know what you better come to grips with: Not all the monsters in this world have been infected." Or something like that. That's off the top of my head, and i'm sure their writers room could come up with something more refined. Bottom line, it's exactly what you said Ryany. He's survived 25 years. He would've said SOMETHING of substance before going out that way. As for Abby's diminutive size - and this is nothing against the actress in that part, who I think did a great job of bringing depth to her character. BUT do you mean do I believe this whisp of a girl/woman would survive and thrive in a savage world of monsters, incredibly scarce resources, a hard winter and a small number of remaining humans—most of whom are willing to do anything to anyone else to continue their own survival? And I do mean ANYTHING (and if you don't believe me, go look up what happened in Stalingrad during the siege in WWII, or what people did in the wake of the Mongol invasion across Asia and Central Europe, or any other period of history where civilizations were suddenly wiped out and see what extremes people went to for survival). Then add in olympic-sprinting hungry monsters. Do I buy her not just as a survivor in this world but someone who then leaves the safety of her settlement and heads out into the wild where all these evils roam, has the skills to cope with brutal mountain winter weather, hunger, evading desperate humans and mindless monsters. And she not just survives but is a leader? Yeah, no. Pardon me for not buying that one. Again, this is me. Like I said, I learned I wasn't the audience for this one. Be well.

Milton Reduxed

Star Trek TNG was hugely popular. The idea the fandom was poisoned because many preferred TOS - I still think TOS was peak Trek - is a gross exaggeration

Bill Maurer

I would love it if she took on GoT. Absolutely love it. Nice last name

Richard Maurer

Agree about the last name, the rest not so much. I just can’t get past season 8. And putting Cassie through so much for such a bad payoff? Can’t support it.

Clay F

My son loved the game. He liked Part II better than Part I.

Clay F

My son loved the game. He liked Part II better than Part I.

AdrianF

Cassie, if you read one spoiler before you decide whether to continue, this paragraph from The Guardian's reaction in the UK is pretty spot on: ""Which brings me to one last spoiler for the non-players. The Last of Us is about to pull off its most audacious trick yet: making you root for Abby"" - if this is too spoilery mods, please get rid.

AdrianF

I finished the first one in one go, love it. The second took me a few goes. The second is the better story/game. Love it more.

Brent Petty

LOL. That is a PERFECT description of TWD. The only two episodes each season where anything happened were the midseason finale and season finale. Eventually those were the only 2 episodes I watched each season before I finally gave up altogether.

Brent Petty

It's not so much that Cassie cares about the decisions he made, she just thinks he's hot.

Brent Petty

See also: Negan's perspective in TWD.

Chris B.

I'm guessing the great majority of those that played Part 2 and thought the story was almost complete trash are like myself and didn't even bother watching this show: we already knew where it was headed and got to experience that stupidity the first time around. Extremely unlikely that whatever tiny fraction of those discontented players might've ended up watching this show regardless would be anywhere close to large enough in size to make a dent with the overall normie viewership and discussion around it. Cassie is most certainly not alone in her strong negative reaction to the Joel-in-One moment, as you can see across social media from people who know nothing about the games but were enjoying the show. Assuming they continue to stick closely to Part 2's story, it's only going to get more contentious and disliked by the general audience, and continue to prove even more that the large amount of dislike for the game was fully earned, that it was an organic reaction from the fans and not some "evil gamer chuds" scheme.

Rod Reavern

Exactly. Like I said, TLOU2 was a complete betrayal of the original characters, and the fans. EVERY person Joel killed during Season 1 presumably had family and friends who wanted revenge. But Neil Druckman tried to force us to feel "empathy" for Abby because she's the one that did it? And we're just supposed to ignore the fact that Abby's father was the doctor who was about to kill Ellie, a 14-year-old girl who did NOT consent to the procedure (because Marlene lied to her), for his THEORY about how her immunity worked. Also, I guarantee that Marlene would NOT have shared the cure with everyone. She would've leveraged it to supplant FEDRA and install her Fireflies as the new ruling authority, then dangled the cure/vaccine in front of people like a carrot to make them obey under the false promise she'd immunize them. But she'd instantly lose all her leverage if she did, so she'd only cure a few 100% loyal to her, and never help most survivors. Joel was 100% justified in killing Marlene, the doctor, and Fireflies. He was only wrong about lying to Ellie about it -- which IMO didn't make any sense because he'd killed them already, so even if Ellie disagreed or didn't believe that Marlene would've let her die for the cure, Ellie just would've had to accept what Joel did. She would've understood. It was the LIE that poisoned their relationship.

LukeG84

Well I didn't see that coming. 🤯😱😭 I've been avoiding all trailers and tv spots, and I've never played the game, so I was positive Joel was going to survive this. It never occurred to me that they'd kill off such an important character and a huge star that Pedro Pascal is, even if that meant diverging from the game. I definitely get why Cassie's saying she doesn't want to watch anymore. I just don't think she'll be invested now that Pedro Pascal is gone. For the first time ever I'm glad I have to wait a week for the next episode. I need some time to recover after that episode.

Jason Dolan

That was a beautiful reaction to this heart wrenching episode

Jasbro

Its funny seeing all these reactors saying they dont want to watch the show anymore, thats how a lot of us felt when playing the game but just at a different point in the game, at this point we just wanted revenge on Abby. Also i should mention the dev's straight up lied to us with trailers showing what looked like Joel and Ellie going on more adventures before the game came out, but when we got to those scenes in the game were actually a completely different character.

Gray

That show went so downhill after season 1 when they fired Frank Darabont as showrunner

Nathan Jasper

Hence why you shouldn't watch trailers. Go in blind always 😉

Gray

It was shocking in the game ofcourse but I still carried on and thought it was fantastic, I imagine it will lose viewers as Pedro is such a big star, whether you'll continue I guess we'll see I suppose. Fantastic made episode of TV although they could have done better with the defense I mean fire & explosions next to your own woodern walls probably isn't the best idea couldn't they have dug some massive trenches and boobie trapped them.

Blaze118

Exactly! The trailers misled the gamers, that was what really lost my respect for Druckman and Naughty Dog. Also, anyone saying "go in blind and not watch the trailers", that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard

AdrianF

"You freaking psycho, you didn't see all the good he did".

AdrianF

That's amazing

Rick Williams

I agree Cassie. Dumb move of the series. I have no desire to continue with this series. It was this kind of stuff that made me stop watching the Walking Dead. They just care about the shock value. They just want bigger and bigger shocks. I'm out. Good luck to you Cassie if you continue. I am not going to play into their crap. They will just keep killing main charters off for shock value. Shame. This series could have been epic. Goodbye.

Rick Williams

Agree. GoT was not worth the journey. There was no big payoff.

Brian Lowery

It’s not just for shock value. This is always where it was going to go. Also, it’s not the last you’ll see of [redacted].

Clay F

It's fundamental to the source material.

Joe J

So, a S3 is needed to complete the story? IMO should have done say 12 episodes this season and wrap it up. Depending on what HBO sees with the viewing numbers, S3 may be cancelled anyway. A S3 with low viewing numbers would be an expensive flop for HBO. Just my two-cents.

Clay F

Part II of the game is apparently spread over both S2 and S3 of the series.

Rod Reavern

Actually, NO, the logical continuation of the story based on the ending of TLOU was A) How Joel's lie eroded the trust he had developed with Ellie; and B) an exploration of Ellie's SURVIVOR'S GUILT after so many people died for her. TLOU2 did the first part -- sorta, but ruined it by killing him off so early -- and made Ellie incredibly unlikable in the process. Worse, it replaced Ellie's survivor's guilt with a straightforward REVENGE tale -- undermining the supposed "justification" of Abby seeking revenge against Joel. Instead of a deep character study, TLOU2 delivered an insultingly simplistic: Revenge = BAD, story. Imagine how much more heartfelt Ellie's journey would be if she were like the old man in Saving Private Ryan, who broke down crying visiting Captain Miller's grave, knowing that his squad and he died so Ryan could live. Ellie would be motivated to DO SOMETHING with her life, presumably finding another way to use her immunity to benefit others -- instead of squandering it on her quest to avenge Joel.

Chris B.

Well you do now. I paid for it and wanted to try and get something good out of it, and I was willing to give it a chance based on the quality of the first game. I’d even dare to say it wouldn’t surprise me if there were more like me than you (in regards to those that finished the game): the closer we got to the end, the more the poor writing and direction piled on, until all we were left with is the bad taste of the better gameplay of part 2 drowned in a much lesser and more hackey storytelling (which is a problem when story is a huge part of your game!). It’s been my experience that the defenders of the game are a vocal but very “passionate” minority who are unwilling to accept that others were vocal in their criticisms, and that in turn created the amplified negative feedback loop that gets painted as “the evil chuds didn’t like it.” Fun fact for the first game: Joel can approach the doctor without attacking and the doctor will attempt to kill Joel with his scalpel. Add that to the pile of reasons the doctor was *never* innocent and got exactly what he and the fireflies earned with their previous actions in the lore.

Rod Reavern

@Chris B.: The real problem is that everyone wants to believe they speak for the majority, which is why the fanatical defenders of TLOU2 try to dismiss the criticisms as being from a small, vocal minority of "alt-right chuds." I got into it with a bunch of people on another Patreon movie reactor's channel and they were accusing me of being a supporter of the Tang Tyrant and when I told them I was Canadian they said you're "maple MAGA." That's because EVERYTHING IS TRIBAL in the warped mind of a fanatic. If you're not ONE OF US, you are an outsider and therefore the ENEMY. The problem is that TLOU2 became a culture war battleground because of the "creative" choices made by Druckman, his co-writer, and other people at Naughty Dog. The irony is that the defenders of TLOU2 are supposedly super-leftist progressives who believe in tolerance and empathy and inclusion, but they are the most close-minded and intolerant hypocrites when confronted by differing ideas. They demanded that I unsub because they didn't want me in their safe space echo chamber. They are Karens who are utterly oblivious to their hypocrisy. Yes, I've played TLOU multiple times and took out the doctor a few different ways. And I've seen the video of what happens if you try to avoid killing the doctor. I appreciate that in TLOU Season 1 they showed the doctor wielding a scalpel to try to stop Joel, proving that Joel didn't kill him for no reason. And the reason he didn't really look at the doctor was because Joel was so focused on saving Ellie that the doctor didn't register as a person, only as an obstacle and a threat. That's what made Abby's rant so insufferably self-centred. I guarantee that Abby has killed people as a Firefly and WLF soldier. I doubt she took the time to look at each of the people she's killed, wrestled with the moral implications, and reflected that the person presumably had family and friends who cared about them. But because it was HER daddy's brains spilled on the floor, she expected Joel to mourn him, like she did. NO, Joel was a little busy saving Ellie! What a deluded little crybaby. Abby is the least-deserving of vengeance out of everyone because it was her father who believed it was necessary to kill Ellie immediately to harvest her immunity, instead of thoroughly testing and researching how her immunity worked. BTW, it's possible for RL doctors to extract brain tissue without killing the patient, so it's total BS that the doctor jumped to the conclusion that Ellie had to die, and Marlene just went along with it. Everything was so rushed and poorly explained for the sake of melodrama, which is WHY Joel reacted the way he did. Marlene had no one to blame but herself for what happened. If Joel hadn't killed Marlene, that's who Abby should've sought vengeance against -- but she wouldn't, because Abby is the worst. Marlene would've lied, denied any responsibility, and manipulated Abby to hunt down Joel. The worst part is that in TLOU2 game we're FORCED to play as Abby. None of her cutscenes or flashbacks changed the fact that Joel's decision to save Ellie was right, and that her father was wrong. Saving an injured Zebra and playing fetch with dog didn't make Abby or her father good people. The fanatics who defend TLOU2 treat Abby like a Sacred Cow, unquestioningly infallible, because Druckman deliberately made her represent "marginalized" people as a shield; it was all a manipulation tactic. And it worked, because culture warrior game urinalists and the woke mob defended Druckman's abomination, and to them it didn't matter how many fans said they hated what happened in the story, their opinions were dismissed as "wrong-think." At least now that non-gamers have entered into TLOU2 conversation, they're not as easy to demonize and dismiss.

fastecp1

That was sad! And this is why I stopped saving damsels in distress, they have a bizarre way of saying thank you. I hope Abby gets what she deserves.

Chris B.

@Rod Reavern spot on with the tribalism, fully agree. And to be fair to problems existent in the first game, since I've been so critical towards part 2: it's ludicrous to entertain as possibility that a band of extremists (fireflies), who are struggling to survive just like the rest of the world in this destroyed society, could develop a vaccine against a *fungal* infection, something we can't yet do even today despite our ongoing efforts in research for it.

Samuel Champ

I just got back to this series (about three weeks behind) man, that was a gut punch 😟😥😡

Samuel Champ

I just watched your outro Cassie. Please don't pay attention to anyone saying you're too emotional. I always thought that was the point. Movies, theater, music, sports, and on and on. We do it to experience emotions, be proud of it.