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[YT Edit] The Last of Us (S2:E2) (Patreon)

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Hey guys! Matt got this one done QUICK so we're going to post it tonight. It will premiere on YouTube as well.

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Clay F

Awesome reaction. I really have no idea, but my guess is you would like the remainder of S2 (5 more episodes).

Dissonant Bard

Your not a idiot. As was said when they were talking about episode, they also wanted to create that larger sense of hurt and helplessness where you throw the book/media across the room. My heart broke when I watched it last night, broke for you when I saw it announced on your list for this week, and was retraumatized when watching it with you. There are a few scenes that will always stick with me and this is one. I am sorry for your pain and am so thankful for your sensitivity that keeps you from ever desiring to cause that kind of pain.

Patrick Waldeck

One of the main points of TLOU2 is the cycle of revenge, and how it basically never ends. Killing someone spins a karmic wheel that always eventually comes back to bite you in the ass, either killing your friends and loved ones or eventually the consequences comes to kill you.

David Freese

I think if you take a break like you said on YouTube then do it but please come back and finish the season.

Jason Jardine

I'm part of the crowd that played the games, and for the most part, we've been pretty good about not spoiling anything. But I was torn, because I do know that you get invested in the shows you watch, as most people do and it feels like a betrayal when something so jarring occurs; another part of me wanted to warn you, but that does take away from the experience. The second game is very large and I believe the thought is that they're splitting them between season 2 and 3, which is why there's only 7 episodes this year. All I can say is to trust the process. As others have mentioned, this season is about the never ending cycle of revenge. It's shaping up to be quite impressive. Hope you stay on.

Shawn Kildal

Killing off the beloved main character is usually a deal breaker for me in a TV series

Cole Jennett

People complain that there is not enough originality in movies & tv🤷‍♂️

Shawn Kildal

I'm not sure what that means. Killing off main characters has been done countless times before. Even in comedy shows

Brent Petty

If you DO stop reacting to Last of Us, replace it with John Adams or Generation Kill.

Clay F

It's never a deal breaker for me.

Clay F

If she takes a break, she may never return to it

Clarence Newman

Originality and shock moves like this can be good - Game of Thrones is a perfect example. But in this case? All I can think of is that we’re now left with Ellie as the main character and she better become more likeable very quickly. Right now, that does not strike me as a good move for this show.

Shane Hahn

Long time viewer and first time commenter. I apologize for the long message. I only chose to watch a small portion of THAT moment, here on your channel, in order to see what you thought of it. I have no desire to watch anything before or after for this second season. Anything having to do with the second game evokes strong emotions from me. As someone else who played the games, this moment really tore the fandom in half. That moment, along with a number of other divisive moments in the second game, killed the series for a great number of players. The game sold like crazy the first week and then sales plummeted in week 2 and on. Game shops were inundated with traded in copies of the game and they went gangbusters with all of the PR in the months after release. Abby is almost universally hated as an overall character in the franchise. The backlash over the story for the second game has been so severe over the years that they recently announced that they have scrapped any plans for a third game. A big part of the backlash was also due to Naughty Dog (the game developers) going after and attacking people online for negative reactions to the game. After that terrible scene, I chose to finish the game rather than quit, like many others had. I hoped for something, anything that would make me feel justified in sticking with it. That never came. It was the most depressing and dissatisfying experience that I have ever had in my nearly 40 years of gaming and it killed the series for me. The first game is an all-time classic and the first season of the show was really good. That is happily where everything ends for me. It's like how ignoring the atrocious sequel trilogy helps to not ruin the rest of Star Wars for me. I won't tell you whether to finish the series or not. I just hope that sharing some context provides something useful to you.

Dean Bush

Imagine this happening while playing the game, loosing best part of the game , and then made to play for hours the character who just did,

Ben Dixon

I found TLOU2 such a wild experience. The way it forces you to see through Abby's eyes and see her reasoning when all you want to do is hate her. You can still choose to, that is fine but the way the game forces you to see an "enemy" as human is so unexpected and I think deliberately uncomfortable. After Joel dies in game it also felt like anything was possible, I felt unsafe and uncomfortable in an exhilarating way because I had no trust that the game would not do something else shocking. I felt actual fear for the characters in game that I dont remember with another game, the game just took Joel from me, none of these characters are safe.

Just Plain Bob

Excellent comparison with the Star Wars sequels. That’s what sprung to mind for me, as well. Meanwhile, the media and developer reaction to the fans upset over this development was exactly what you’d expect: accusations of misogyny (people didn’t like Abby), toxicity of fans (for some reason they didn’t like see the lead being brutally murdered) and review bombing (a favorite accusation leveled at anyone with the temerity to dislike a piece of programming). It wasn’t “creative” to kill off Joel. It was just shock value taking the place of storytelling. It’s like when filmmakers tell you they’re “subverting expectations” (The Last Jedi). What they really mean is that they LACK the creativity to do something interesting or new, so they just do the opposite of what’s expected. That’s not creative; it’s reactionary. Then they act surprised and offended when fans are upset, blaming the very people that supported the franchise in the first place. Here’s an idea: instead of subverting expectations, how about trying to EXCEED them. But that would take hard work and creativity, which are evidently in short supply in the entertainment industry today.

Ben Dixon

" It was the most depressing and dissatisfying experience that I have ever had", I honestly think that is sort of the aim of the second game in a way. The violence doesnt satisfy because it doesn't solve the hurt it just creates more for other people. Personally I found the game interesting and engrossing but can understand why someone would not want that from a video game. TLOU is a beautiful game, finding hope in a hopeless situation TLOU2 is the other side of the coin, the loss leads to spiralling anger and violence and deeper despair, the painful reality that not everyone gets redemption I think it is an art vs entertainment argument, is the job of the game to be enjoyable and entertain me or take me on a ride and evoke emotion from me. I enjoyed TLOU2 making me angry and frustrated at times, it gripped me in a way most games dont try to. The characters arnt likeable because angry people in search of vengence often arnt, we are seeing people at their worst, again, is this the best setting for a game, not sure, I liked it but can see it being off putting too. Playing after Joel died I felt like anything and everything else might happen in the game and felt honest fear for the characters I havent felt in other games. I thoroughly enjoyed that but can see why people might not want that or have the same experience I did.

aarswft

Yeah, this sentiment tracks with someone who doesn't know the difference between lose and loose. It's a story of empathy and choosing to let go of the things that can destroy you. Certainly wasted on an audience who at the time was refusing to shelter in place or wear masks to protect their fellow citizens.

Ben Dixon

TLOU/Season 1 starts wth Joel's daughter dying and in a big way is about Joel coping with that loss. Joel dying in TLOU2/season 2 is setting up Ellie coping with the loss of a father figure. Joel dying hurts more because we know Joel more than his daughter but both are shocking violent inciting incidents to drive the story.

Blake Evans

I never played the games but I knew that this was coming. Wasn’t a fan of the first season and definitely am not watching this one. But for some redemption for Abby (Kaitlyn Dever) really hope you get to see the show Dopesick (2021) one day. She is phenomenal in it. But it will break your heart in a completely different way.

Clay F

I remember when my initial favorite GoT character bought it early in the series. I was shocked. I couldn’t believe it.

Clay F

The SW sequels trilogy grossed over $4B at the worldwide box office, and was generally well recieved by critics and fans alike. It was only a bitter minority full of hate who rabidly disparaged (e.g., "atrocious") the SW sequels trilogy. I will take what you say about Last of Us with a grain of salt. As for the game, many liked Part II better than Part I. My son liked Part II better than Part I.

Mark White

Oh Cassie, I feel for you. YOUR FEELINGS ARE NOT DUMB! They are a part of you and be proud of them. It doesn’t matter it’s a t.v show or not! The fact you get so emotionally attached to characters is what makes your reactions the best and by some distance. I think if you really don’t want to watch anymore, then don’t. It’s always your choice. But, OMG! that was the most intense reaction I think I’ve ever seen!!! I genuinely don’t think it was the quality of the show, which is good, but not that incredible. It was your reaction. You had my heart pumping!! 😮‍💨 Cassie you really have watched a lot of seriously intense stuff lately. I really do recommend a light heated comedy. You must have loads on your list, I’ve mentioned “Paul” 2011 before, Simon Pegg/nick frost. Or how about “The Nice Guys” Ryan Gosling and Russel Crowe. We need your smile back Cassie 😃

Just Plain Bob

“Paul” and “The Nice Guys” are very different movies, with one glaring similarity: they’re lots of fun and Cassie would love them both. I think they’d make excellent reaction fodder. Good call.

Kevin O'Donnell

It was a difficult episode for sure and I knew it was coming having played the game which was a real roller coaster of conflicting emotions. I know it was a hard episode to watch, but I would say stick with it Cassie if you can.

Brogan

so many people boycotted the game for the same reason you're now considering dropping the show, emotional attachment to a character! If you dont want that to be the last thing you see about Joel tho I'd keep watching, flashbacks are incredible

Clay F

Kaitlyn Dever being in S2 makes me want to watch the remainder of S2 even more.

Philip Alan

The Last Of Us is Joel & Ellie. Period. Cool series finale for me!

Clay F

There is apparently more Joel & Ellie in the series.

Philip Alan

I don't care to see Joel in lame a$$ flashbacks, no thanks. I want him there to DRIVE that damn story. (I've never seen/played the game)

TechJJ

Well, not quite correct. You play as Ellie for a while. Don't want to explain too much due to spoilers.

TechJJ

Abby is NOT universally hated. I would venture close to half of the players are on Abby's side. The story explores players' sympathy. I started hating Abby, but end up being sympathetic to her (not loving). Ellie's UNFORGIVEN path certainly hurt her favorable status. This behavior is first hinted with Ellie not accepting Seth's apology. Ok no more spoiling.

First Name Ella

You are seriously missing out. The game is SO much better than the show it’s not even comparable

Philip Alan

Yeah, the last time I played a video game… it was PONG.

First Name Ella

Can’t blame you for this reaction. TLoU changed my life when it came out in 2013. It was the first “adult” game I ever played- before that I only played Nintendo games, anything with Mario or Link. I watched other people play other games, but I didn’t have faith that I could handle it and not die. But the trailer just made me want to try so bad. By the end, I was playing on Grounded difficulty. The only other game that has moved me as much is RDR2. When TLoU2 was announced, I was overjoyed- until it was leaked what happened. It took me years upon years upon years to want to play it. Killing Joel was a mistake. However, I understand their reasoning now, and I think a lot of people show just how hypocritical they can be when it comes to revenge. They think Abby is stupid for wanting to avenge her father, but then cheer Ellie on for wanting to do the same thing. They forget we are explicitly told Joel did very, very bad things in the twenty years we don’t see- and then he killed an innocent doctor because *he* couldn’t bear to lose another daughter- even if it meant damning the world. He then lied to Ellie about it- and it becomes pretty clear Ellie would have chosen to give her life for a cure for mankind (I understand that realistically, they probably wouldn’t have been able to make a cure if this was the real world- however, Neil Druckman has made comments making it pretty clear that the fireflies would have been able to create a cure). That’s incredibly selfish. I’m not sure even as a parent I’d make that choice. But that’s not the issue. I was glad he saved Ellie when I played the game. I was relieved. But to anyone thinking Abby is evil- keep that same energy for Joel. The entire point of the story is that revenge poisons the soul- yet people cheer for one tale of revenge and not the other. OBVIOUSLY we love Joel and don’t want him to die. And I think they could have told this story so much more effectively if they had let us get to know Abby for the entire game/season, and then reveal her mission at the END- after we have started to love her too. The way they’ve told it, though? Everyone automatically hates Abby and it blinds everyone to the story they’re trying to tell. I was really hoping, considering how many changes they made (some for the far worse) to the show vs the game, that Neil would have decided to change how he introduced us to Abby, and not kill Joel until the end. It’s a shame he dug his heels in on this.

First Name Ella

Watch someone on YouTube play it :) or people have made “movie” versions of the game with just the cutscenes. Seriously, it’s so much better. Richer, more moving, better acted even. And I love Pedro!

Doc Larry/old geezer

It’s not uncommon for a main characters to exit a shows in M*A*S*H. They killed off one of the main characters first time ever done on television. It was very dramatic. The Walking Dead does it quite frequently in their 11 years. Sometimes it works sometimes it ends the show.

bgb1975 (Brian)

I played the game - wasn't a very big fan. Never watched the show, either. I did watch, and enjoy, Cassie's reactions, but I'm glad I skipped the show.

Clarence Newman

Missed Cassie's advice on not reading the comments yesterday, without having watched the episode, so I learned about Joel's fate ahead of time. Just watched it now and I feel exactly the same way Cassie does. Joel was the show. Joel and Ellie together were a great combination, but with Joel gone, I can't help feeling that the soul of the show has gone too. I know it's just a tv show, but I feel like it gives us a microcosm of what Abbie seemed to be feeling as she walked away at the end. Who gives a crap what happens now? What even matters anymore? Great episode, but........damn.

Joe J

I'm not watching anymore myself, am curious if Cassie bails also.

Joe J

@Doc, what if they had killed off Hawkeye?

Doc Larry/old geezer

@joe it may have ended the show or maybe not many characters left that show not being killed but through other means the show ER from what I understand also had manycharacters leave. I guess it has to do with the writing and how the new characters are developed.

Joe J

I'm with you Philip. Cassie may bail also, we don't know yet.

Joe J

My point is there are some characters in any show that must remain. You can't kill Matt Dillon in Gunsmoke, Lol. Joel is one of those characters that must remain for the vast majority of viewers to have any engagement moving forward. Just common sense IMO.

Doc Larry/old geezer

@joe J I totally understand what you’re saying. This particular show and others like bewitched if they killed off Samantha (Elizabeth Montgomery) the show would’ve ended. It’s probably a bad decision by the writers to kill off the main character as opposed to just ending the show. In a big finale. PS to be honest the only reason I watch this show. It’s because it’s reacted on the channel and I enjoy the reactions.

bknsty14

The Nice Guys is amazing

bknsty14

I love John Adams. I watch it every Independence Day. I would love to see Cassie watch that in July. Again, that is "JOHN ADAMS" on HBO.

TechJJ

If the show follows the game, there will be a lot of flash backs. Too many actually as one of the gamers complaints. So yes. Some flash backs even provide more dialogs to the controversial ending at Salt Lake medical facility.

Mark Duedall

I wanted the Fonz to land in the pool and be eaten by the sharks. Was disappointed when it didn’t happen, actually.

Clay F

There is no way I could stop watching S2 after the incredible production quality of this episode. Plus, Joel is still in the series and will be done very well (emotive, dramatic) if anything like the game -- my guess is Cassie would get into and end up possibly liking S2 better than S1. Many like Part II better than Part I for the game. My son did.

Clay F

Like I commented before, there is no way I could stop watching S2 after the incredible production quality of this episode. Plus, Joel is still likely in the series and my guess will likely be done very well (emotive, dramatic effect) -- my thought is Cassie would get into that, and possibly end up liking S2 better than S1. I know this S2E2 end is harder for Cassie than most because of the way she can strongly connect with certain characters (in a real sense). But if she attempts the transition to the next episode, S2 could be a big payoff for her -- good drama she appreciates, and she possibly gets more of Joel. Even w/sadness she may feel, such as with the dad in This is Us, she may really be moved by (and like) the scenes with Joel. Who knows. We would see. I am fine (and completely support) her discontinuing the series now or in the future if that is what she wants (completely her call). As for me, if I lose interest, I will stop watching. The apocalyptic zombie/'infected' type of series is not my kind of series to begin with, but this series grabbed my attention = the story, drama, production. Plus, I was curious b/c my son loved the game. And I wanted to watch her reactions -- I did my first watch of S1 along with her reactions. It was her reacting to S1 that prompted me to finally take the dive into the series. Lastly, I have had many rant/rave to me how excellent of an actress that Kaitlyn Dever is. If so, that is another reason I look forward to the remainder of S2.

Doc Larry/old geezer

I was at the barbershop today and the last of us was a big discussion. Many of the people were not happy with the outcome of this episode and are swearing never to watch the show again I hope the writers are paying attention.

Mike Sutherland

the writer's are paying attention... to the source material.

Steve Holton

Will be interesting to see how available Pedro Pascal is for flashback scenes and episodes. He accepted this role because of its limited run, but ended up really enjoying the work. At the end he was 50 years old playing 61, so easy to play a younger Joel.

Clay F

Wow, that would be a complete fundamental change to the source material if the writers paid attention to the people in that barbershop. A completely different story. I don't see how the writers really could pay attention to them. Part II of the game is being spread over S2 and S3 of the series.

Doc Larry/old geezer

@ Mike Sutherland I hear what you’re saying. I was just passing on information from the world of my barbershop. The same thing happened with The Walking Dead when a character was killed off people were very unhappy, but they were using source material.

TheSingulatarian

People need to grow-up. Do you really want characters with plot armor all the time. I am getting a little sick of little girls that are 110lbs. Soaking wet beating the crap out of a 200 plus lb. man.

Clay F

The tiny frames of Abby and Ellie do kind of look ridiculous at times, depending on the setting and what's happening. Some of the physical performance by the waddling Willow in Willow (1988) was kind of ridiculous at times. Doc, your post seemed to do more than merely pass on information, when you said "I hope the writers are listening." Not exactly sure what you meant by thaat.

Doc Larry/old geezer

@ Clay F I was talking about the general public using the barbershop as an example which happens with writing campaigns to many shows. I’m sure they’ll use the source material effectively for their show. There was some minor changes and major ones with The Walking Dead due to audience interest. In the case of bionic woman, they brought her back to life to create a whole new show because of public demand

Doc Larry/old geezer

@ Steve Holton I always like your insights. It is so enjoyable reading your comments, the depth of understanding of filmmaking. The actor who played specific roles.

Cody Nelson

Yeah, while I get why she could stop watching(as is her right), I do hope she continues on. I've played the game and loved it. I think there is still a lot left in the series that Cassie would like if she sticks with it. I sadly can't say much more without spoiling anything but... it's worth it.

Steve Holton

@Doc Larry, thanks brother! Likewise enjoy your posts. The heart of a healer always apparent. 😊

Clarence Newman

Cassie has said that she's stopped watching tv shows in the past because they either kill off her favourite character or do something that offends her ideal of that show, so it's not impossible that she'll do the same here. If she continues, she'll probably do it for us, and her attitude will be what most of our attitudes are going to be when episode 3 rolls around. "Well, I don't really want to keep watching, but I suppose I should see what happens next - at least for one episode anyway." After that, it's up to the writers to re-hook the wavering fanbase. The next episode has to be good, that's for sure.

Clarence Newman

I was in the barber's last week. Our exit conversation went something like this: "That'll be ten bucks, Clarence." "Ten bucks? Jesus Christ, Marty. What are you, half Jew or somethin'? You keep raising the damn prices all the time." "It's been ten bucks for the last five years, you hard-nosed Polack son of a bitch." "Yeah, well keep the change." "See you in three weeks, pr*ck." "Not if I see you first, dipsh*t." He does a good Gene Wilder cut though.

Clarence Newman

Game of Thrones is a great example. Without spoiling anything, George R R Martin was never shy about killing main characters, or at least threatening to. Apparently, though, there was one character he was forbidden to kill off, and that was because his wife threatened to leave him if he did.

Doc Larry/old geezer

@ Clarence, Newman, I don’t understand your comment. Can you please explain with all due respect what is the point of your comment? I hope it is in jest and not antisemitism which would be a shame for this platform.

Clarence Newman

Not at all, Larry. It's in support of your comment that you were just relaying barbershop banter. That conversation is from Gran Torino with Clint Eastwood, where Walt Kowalski (who happens to be of Polish descent) is bantering with the barber in order to "teach" the young Korean kid he's mentoring "how guys are supposed to talk to each other". Outdated lingo, of course (Walt is a bigot), but the whole point of the exchange is that no offence is intended and none is taken. I could also have quoted the barbershop scene from Coming to America, which again is brash and confrontational, but it's between friends so no harm is intended.

Clarence Newman

Now I come to think of it, your reaction to my post is probably exactly what most people would think if they walked in on such a conversation.

Joe J

Will S3 also have flashbacks with Pedro? If yes, that would have been filmed already while he is available. But maybe he is not shown any in S3.

Clarence Newman

Interesting to ponder, Mark. If that had happened, "jumping the shark" would not be called "jumping the shark".

Doc Larry/old geezer

@ Clarence, Newman appreciate you clearing up the misunderstanding. I’m sure Cassie sees you as a valued member of this community. With a great sense of humor. Feel free to comment on anything I say anytime.

Doc Larry/old geezer

@TheSingulatarian I hear you. It was definitely a stretch. Having this girl beat to death a pretty strong man. I guess it was from the source material from what I’m hearing people say. She is no Negan from The Walking Dead. Who Beat to death many people in the show. Much more plausible. Losing main character happens in a lot of shows going back to the show M*A*S*H. There’s a lot of audience reaction to this. I could understand fans who grow attached to characters. I’m still sad over Eric 'Hoss' Cartwright unfortunately Dan Blocker died in real life so they had no choice

Clarence Newman

Thank you Larry. To the point about little girls beating strong men to death in movies, this one was more believable because Joel literally had no chance. She'd shot him in the leg, then battered his shattered knee with a golf club, and had all her armed mates around her while she rained unchallenged blows down on his head. The fact that it took her that long to beat him to death is actually consistent with the weight behind her punches. In a fair fight, Joel would have subdued her with no trouble at all. There's another side to that coin, of course, because not all actresses punch like girls. Rhonda Rousey is an obvious one, but I wouldn't want to fight Michelle Rodriguez either.

Clay F

Joe, good questions. I read that Joel is in S3 and maybe till the very end of the show. I couldn’t find a clear consensus on the filming.

Doc Larry/old geezer

@ Clarence Newman good point thank you this show is a good show to bring up so much conversation. I like it. This is a program that would not have been on my radar. Another reason to like PIB.

Ria Grix

Heroic deaths rarely happen in reality (if ever) People just die. Even the most loved and important people just die one day. Abby is consumed by the same emotions that Joel had when he killed all those people to save Ellie. Joel didn’t care about their children or families, he was the embodiment of blind vengeance… which set Abby on the same path… which will now set Ellie on the same path.

Clay F

As for what happened in Salt Lake, Joel was more about getting Ellie out alive than about vengeance. Joel's emotions were about saving Eliie and not a desire to kill. In stark contrast, Abbie was not consumed by those same emotions as Joel had -- instead, Abbie was consumed with revenge and desire to kill.

Ria Grix

Joel’s actions were a type of pre-vengeance I guess. Killing all those who intend to harm Ellie. Of course there are Joel’s actions prior to meeting Ellie that are only hinted at in conversation with Tommy. Ellie is Joel’s redemption story. Joel losing Sarah. Joel finding Ellie. Abby losing her father. Ellie losing Joel. Abby finding her redemption, Ellie searching for revenge… on and on.

Clay F

Yeah, Joel (and Tommy) murdered innocent people before — if that had been shown, fans might like Joel less.