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I’ll keep going, but only because it’s with you and it won’t be the same. The distraction quest is a good idea but continuing a revenge cycle?

PS: The Professional will be up tomorrow!

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The Last of Us (S2:E3) - Full Reaction - Popcorn In Bed

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WestBound

Fine I won't sleep tonight

Brian McGovern

They say that Revenge is a dish, best served cold. It is very cold in space.

Ib-René Jørgensen

The whole second game is about revenge. It is a very long game and not for the faint hearted.

Brian McGovern

You are not alone in your feelings about not wanting to watch. If you watch TBR Schmitt's reaction, Daniel essentially says the same thing about his experience with the game. He left the game while playing 2 because you have played the first game as Joel and Ellie and become attached to them, and with 2, you are now playing as Abby, who ripped the emotional attachment from you. It is an interesting listen to.

TheSingulatarian

Watch "Top Secret" Ashligh Burton just watched it and had a great time. Have a laugh and you will feel beter.

AdrianF

Daniel hasn't played 2, he knew the plot points from when the game was spoilt. Aside from one line that Abby says late game which is... unfortunate... IMO having finished both games multiple times, she is the better character, 100% (although both are flawed). But I accept completely that it can be hard to get past the death and then being thrust into her character with no background to speak of 12 hours later. If you've played the second to completion and disagree, that's cool, just my pov.

TheSingulatarian

They don't discuss a third option. Rather than sending their best fighters why not instead send their best diplomats. Even if they could not get the WLF to give up Joel's killers they would at least be able to do some reconnaissance and have a better feeling of what they are up against.

Clay F

Definitely a void without Joel. Thanks for continuing to react to the series. I am continuing to watch the series. I thought this episode was acceptable/good. Your reaction was emotional/great. I feel for you. The preview scenes from next episode piqued my interest. My son loved the game (which I know nothing about). He liked Part II better than Part I. Two tiny girls going on the adventure (quest) seems ridiculous to me. No matter how armed or well trained or ruthless they are. They need more personnel. A couple of Tommy types joining would have been good.

Canadianant

Glad your continuing. I wasn't sure I wanted to continue either. As one that hasn't played the games, I don't know where it's going but I'm sure we are in for a ride.. I hope your feeling better.

AdrianF

A couple of things stuck out for me in this one, that are perhaps hard to talk about without spoilery stuff but only very mild spoilers. If you don't want to know anything then don't read on: In ep2, Ellie tells Jesse that her and Joel had made up the night before, but in ep3 she tells Gail that she regrets not making up with him. However, we know from ep2 that the guitar was back in her garage (i.e., Joel had replaced the strings and returned it to her), and it wasn't just thrown on a pile of clothes but stood up carefully. In the game, although you don't find out right until the end, they do make up. I can see no reason why the show would not have this happen as it's a key scene, so am confused as to why Ellie would lie to Gail. It serves no purpose.

AdrianF

The first season stuck very closely to the game's story, and so far this one is similar with some mild changes. If you remember ep9 from s1, Joel went into video-game mode when taking out the hospital full of Fireflies. It's not unreasonable to think that the second season will require a little more suspension of belief as well wrt Ellie & Dina. Next episode looks great.

Clay F

A reason for Jackson to send a group to Seattle is to seek justice for Joel. Another reason is to get rid of outsiders (Abby and her crew) who know too much about Jackson. Yet, Abby and her crew surely have already informed WLF about Jackson. In any case, sending a group is not happening, as the Jackson council rejected the proposal to send a group to Seattle. A reason for Jackson not to send a group to Seattle is to avoid the cycle of revenge. Just let it go and move on. But that could send the wrong message (weakness) and invite being taken advantage of. After seeing the previews for S2E4, I am wondering if WLF might raid Jackson? I know nothing of the game, so I have no idea. I think Jackson is fortified enough to handle a WLF raid. In any case, the council's decision rejecting the proposal is likely the smartest path forward -- stop thinking or obsessing with revenge or justice -- and instead live their lives, and deal with whatever happens.

AdrianF

The next episode trailer looks good. But since they're not sposed to be finishing the second game's story this season, I was surprised to see how 'far' they are already going off the trailer. If they end this season where I think they will, it'll be pretty controversial/brave. MILD SPOILERS FOR GAME OF THRONES It's a while since I watched GoT, but IIRC any cliffhanger stuff was in the penultimate episode of each season, which was a clever way to do it rather than having to wait a year.

Clay F

Adrian, good point about possible needed suspension of disbelief as analogous w/Joel's performance in the hospital in S1E9.

AdrianF

The council thing isn't a thing in the game.

Walter

I am on the fence about continuing with the show. I knew what was going to happen, so it wasn't a surprise. It's just that the show has become something else - and fair enough, good for them for taking risks - It's just that for me, the best and most interesting actor in the show is gone and who is left just doesn't interest me.

Mohammed Alshahrani

Cassie, I just wanted to say how much I love your reactions! This is exactly why I’ve been a Patreon supporter for so long. Your genuine and sincere reactions, and the way you really care about the characters and stories, make everything so much more enjoyable. Keep doing what you do, you're amazing!

Nathan Jasper

Because she doesn't like therapists. It does serve a purpose, she's a reserved person and she doesn't want her business known to anybody that she doesn't trust.

Nathan Jasper

Their best diplomats are their best fighters.

Nathan Jasper

Aside from the flashback, they do give background before the switch. Her motive, her attachment to her dad, everything. It's what's currently going on at the time Ellie's in Seattle that you discover

Nathan Jasper

Mama didn't raise a quitter. You got this.

Clay F

From the preview scenes for next episode, looks like an interesting character or two will be introduced next episode S2E4.

Justin Cummings

Dina wasn't with Joel when he was killed in the game with it instead being Tommy. Tommy in the videogame is definitely more hot blooded and not pragmatic like TV show Tommy.

Justin Cummings

While the story is mostly faithful to the videogames there are definitely changes in certain events and how the characters are portrayed. Videogame Joel absolutely became a hardened man after Sarah's death so it's less believable that he would feel safe living a mostly chill lifestyle inside Jackson after experiencing the horrors of humanity (including himself) but it's more believable for TV show Joel because this version of Joel became, mostly, a broken man (physically, mentally, and emotionally) after Sarah's death but now he has Ellie in his life, the opportunity to be a normal father again, and become a pillar of Jackson's community (A part of me wants a chill Last of Us Part 2 DLC that is just Joel's mostly relaxing life in Jackson lol) Videogame Ellie is not fascinated by violence from the start as TV Ellie is.

Justin Cummings

Ellie believes that her immunity needed to mean something after everything she has been through and that is so understandable but to Ellie if making a vaccine or cure requires her to die she is perfectly willing to do it which is so tragic and she didn't even know that she would have to die (at least according to the Fireflies) but Marlene and the Fireflies didn't want to even take the risk her refusing to do the surgery so that's why they didn't tell her. Ellie wants to save the world which makes since due to her age and being born into that world. Joel, however doesn't give a damn about the world because he has, for the most part, experienced the worst nature of humanity, including himself, but Ellie has become his world. Joel didn't care whether the Fireflies would be able to make a vaccine, cure, or even how would they give it to people because saving the world or his world was the easiest choice he ever made in his life. Joel hoped his lie would absolve Ellie of her survivor's guilt because he wanted her to eventually realize that her life does matter to him and that she didn't need to sacrifice herself for the world because she is his world. Ellie only views the lie through her own point of view but I think the reason why she will be ready to forgive Joel is because she is beginning to finally understand why Joel saved her. Joel saving Abby was more believable in the show because Abby doesn't appear as threatening like the videogame Abby.

D. T. Nelson

Cassie: "People have a lot of opinions about this." The award for Understatement of the Year goes to Cassie.

WestBound

It's time to stop defending TV show ellie . They completely ruined her . In part 2 of the game Ellie is more mature and just broken . She's unsure of herself and vulnerable .Here she's very snarky, immature and unprepared . Do yourself a favor and go watch the cutscenes from the game . You'd like Ellie way more !

aarswft

I’ve followed this channel for years at this point but continuing to prop up this dumpster fire of a show, especially while something like Andor is premiering, is genuinely disappointing. I’m out.

aarswft

I could write a doctorates thesis on how badly they botched these characters. I’ll never understand some writers drive to make something shittier just so you can say you wrote it.

aarswft

She doesn’t care about that lie. Joel killed Eugene because he found out and lied saying he was turning into a clicker. That’s the lie Ellie is pissed about. It will be the dumbest change this show makes.

aarswft

Mostly faithful my ass.

Justin Cummings

Ellie is more angry at herself for not forgiving Joel sooner about the lie. That is not really a spoiler because there is extra footage of Joel in trailers so there will be flashbacks but gamers already knew that.

Shad Kanyak

I find Joel’s death less painful to watch than Catherine O’Hara ripping on the 2003 Tigers. I had season tickets that season. Even in the apocalypse I can’t escape that memory.

Justin Cummings

The general plot thread is the same for the first half of the videogame: Abby kills Joel so Ellie leaves Jackson with Dina to kill Abby. The show gives you more added context way more sooner. The season has expanded more on Jackson being a community and has different characters pairings (Dina being with Joel for example) but none of those changes bother me. Keep in mind that this a adaptation and not a complete copy of the game but I do wish the season was longer in order to focus more on Ellie's revenge mission in Seattle.

TechJJ

Cassie I grossly underestimated your attachment to beloved characters. I now remember in the reaction to the first season, you did emphasize that you have a "unhealthy attachment" to Joel (and Ellie). I understand that now. Really feel sorry that the story at this point made you suffer for an entire week. It looks like the show creator did his thing given half of the episode to mourn and half to the new quest. In retrospect, maybe batch-watching after the entire season would've been better? I just started play through TLOU Part 2 again for the nth time (but with the newly released PC version), and realized some character conversations and scattered notes that I didn't think much during previous play throughs have been expanded by the first 3 episode of the second season.

Justin Cummings

The general plot thread is the same as the game: Abby kills Joel because he killed her father, who was the head surgeon of the Fireflies so Ellie leaves Jackson to kill Abby with Dina. The season has expanded more on Jackson being a community and had different characters pairings (Dina being with Joel for example) and have neither bother me. Keep in mind that this a adaptation and not a complete copy of the game but I do wish the season was longer to focus more on Ellie in Seattle.

Justin Cummings

Yeah, this season is going to have more changes than the first season did while still keeping the main plot thread of the second game's first half: Abby kills Joel so Ellie leaves Jackson with Dina to kill Abby. The show gives you more added context way more sooner. The season has expanded more on Jackson being a community and had different characters pairings (Dina being with Joel for example) and have neither bother me. Keep in mind that this a adaptation and not a complete copy of the game but I do wish the season was longer to focus more on Ellie in Seattle.

Justin Cummings

But there are show only fans that like how the show portrays the characters. Even if they do eventually play the videogames or just watch a non commentary playthrough they might develop a bias for the show's portrayal of the characters because they watched it first and/or they prefer the show being a drama than a action based videogame if the non gamers viewers don't play or even in some cases dislike videogames. Don't deny that you have your own biases.

Justin Cummings

Imagine her reaction to not getting complete closure since this season doesn't cover the whole videogame and perhaps not even season 3.

TechJJ

Yeah... I hope the show/game creators (Craig M/Neil D) setup well enough to give non-gamer viewers motivation for the next season.

AdrianF

It's mostly faithful. But, there are still people like yourself that can't get over a game that came out 5 years ago. So there's that, too.

Philip Alan

Andor S2 is 10x better than S1. I'm loving it so far!

Clay F

+1 for Andor

Clay F

LAST OF US. While I may question that a team of only 2 tiny girls is going to do battle in Seattle, the preview scenes for the next episode S2E4 piqued my interest. The series has captured my attention since S1E1. Good writing and excellent production quality. S2E2 was stunning. I will watch the remaining 4 episodes of S2, and then decide if I will watch S3. I know nothing about the game. ANDOR. I am going to watch Andor S2, which premiered last week. Andor S1/S2 episodes average only about 46 minutes. ANDOR (8 Emmy® nominations including Outstanding Drama Series) (has some romance) focuses on Cassian Andor (Diego Luna) of Rogue One. Stellan Skarsgård (Boris in Chernobyl) is also a lead. Begins 5 years before Rogue One (2016) and A New Hope (1977), and has flashbacks even further in the past to give background such as you like. ANDOR is considered one of the more "mature" or “adult” SW series, i.e., a SW series for grownups. ANDOR and The Mandalorian get good reviews, generally better than other SW series: IMDb 8.4, RT 96%, RT Audience 84% = Andor IMDb 8.6, RT 90%, RT Audience 78% = The Mandalorian IMDb 7.5, RT 85%, RT Audience 64% = Ahsoka IMDb 7.0, RT 82%, RT Audience 61% = Obi-Wan Kenobi IMDb 7.2, RT 66%, RT Audience 49% = The Book of Boba Fett IMDb 4.2, RT 78%, RT Audience 19% = The Acolyte

Above Average Dave

I give Cassie a like on all the YouTube posts for this one, but left this series behind.

Justin Cummings

I'm still enjoying the show it's just that I wish the season had more episodes but it is what it is. I've accepted that the show adaptation is more of a drama focused on the many relationships of the characters (not simply Joel and Ellie). I'm more curious about the potential viewership Season 3 as someone who has played both TLOU videogames.

Lee

My biggest take away from this reaction is how strong and brave Cassie is! Especially after admitting to normally stepping away from a show after an episode like the last one. It takes a lot to walk into something knowing that you're going to have a powerful emotional reaction to it.

Clay F

Good point about the show creator giving half of the episode to mourn and half to the new quest. I don't think batch-watching would've been better for her.

Clay F

Ellie was only 14 in Salt Lake, and thus not equipped to make a life and death decision. The brain (especially the frontal lobes for rational thought) are way underdeveloped at age 14. Therefore, it took a parent-like figure (Joel) to make the decision, and he did. While there may be more background in the game, the situation as depicted in the show was not convincing. A doctor saying that Ellie needed to die for a vaccine that had a 1 in a million chance of being developed/effective. As a parent, that would not have been enough for me. I was 100% team Joel in S1E9. Of course, you make the interesting point that Joel didn't care about feasibility/efficacy of a potential vaccine. That even if known that killing Ellie would have given a cure, that would not have been enough for Joel. Seemed to me that the doctor was rash in not exploring potential ways to get the vaccine without killing Ellie. Joel would have been for that. He had expectation that a vaccine would be developed from Ellie, but no expectation that Ellie would be intentionally killed in the process.

Cole Jennett

Dumpster fire is a ridiculous take

Cole Jennett

Why are people talking so much about what happens next in the game. Those are spoilers for future episodes of the show. Please stop!

Clay F

I know. There is too much talk about the game imo. I prefer the discussion to stick to what is depicted in the show.

Cole Jennett

People just need to have a little more respect for everyone, including Cassie, who don’t know and don’t want to know what’s coming up. Especially if they’re just here to complain about the show not being as good as the game.

Clay F

It’s the only series or movie that I’ve seen in which commmenters constantly compare to the source material. Commenters on Band of Brothers could be bad at times in doing that. These are adaptations. Comparisons to the source material can be interesting at times but are really not helpful. A distraction. Confusing. The bottom line is what is depicted in the series (show) is the series reality. The source material can resemble at times the series reality but is not the series reality. Many of the details and nuances from the game, such as commenters rely on in reaching descriptions, conclusions, motivations, etc. about characters or storylines are simply not applicable to the series (show).

Rick Williams

This is where we must part ways, Cassie. I have no desire to continue on.

aarswft

They are hardly spoilers considering this show threw everything from the game out the window but the names of the characters. And even that they managed to botch with Abby's crew.

Richard Maurer

Cassie - The death of a beloved character can actually help you deal with the death of loved ones in real life. My mother and eldest brother died within a couple of years of each other and believe it or not an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer where a main character died help me get through my grief. I know you haven’t seen it so I won’t mention which character it was but the episode was very realistic as to what you experience when a family member dies, and it helped to know that other people had felt the same as I was feeling at that time. I was again helped by that episode when my father died in 2018.

K, Zachary

So Cassie I got a lot of cuss words thrown at me last week for getting my friends hooked on this show on this only to have one of the major characters die. However I have played the games and I know what happens. All is not lost. However I wonder if..... 👋 Nevermind nevermind. I can see that your not ok. We can both empathize with you and know there are a lot of people out there who feel like you do. This is where dogs can come in handy. Our dogs are super supportive and rest there head in our lap just to let us know they're here.

dave

OMG, the OC. Loved that show soo much.

Nathan Jasper

Tiny? Please. They have more experience in their pinky fingers than most of the people in Jackson.

Nathan Jasper

Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Nathan Jasper

They didn't ruin her. She's exactly how she's supposed to be.

Nathan Jasper

Despite the fact he was living a mostly Chill Lifestyle in the game too LOL

WestBound

Did you play game 2? No she isn't anywhere near the depth Game Ellie is . TV show Ellie is still the same as season 1 .

Clay F

You have to admit they are very short and have small tiny frames.

Clay F

Bye. Good luck. See you the next series.

Mogel

I can definitely understand the impulse of just wanting to stop watching. I get very much emotionally invested as well, but for me, the curiosity is stronger than that impulse. I do get being this upset about Joel dying, but they definitely could not tell the same story if they killed off someone else. I think it's fine that people don't like it, and it ruins the show for them, but I massively disagree with it being a "bad decision". The show challenges you to confront some pretty ugly emotions, and not everyone wants that from a show (or game for that matter)

Rick Williams

Cassie is dangerous. She keeps causing me to watch stuff I normally never would. But most of the time I will end up liking it. Cassie may still drag me back into this series. I am trying to resist her.

fastecp1

I almost didn't come back to this; I only did because I'm hoping for some sweet revenge.

Justin Cummings

If you think this season is going to have a complete ending well you'll be mistaken because S2 won't adapt Part 2's full story. S3 or maybe a S4 will wrap up the second game's storyline and it's not going to go the way you think. The main characters that you play as in Part 2 are both Ellie and Abby.

Justin Cummings

Actually the show gave more explanation about the potential vaccine than the game did. Neil Druckmann said that to him the vaccine/cure would have been made.

Justin Cummings

But it's more believable for TV Joel than Game Joel.

Clay F

Justin you say "it's not going to go the way you think" but you don't know. The TV show is an 'adaptation' of the game, potentially with signficant changes.

MrKsummer7

The Critical Drinker’s review on this series is 100% spot on. I agree with him and will not invest my time watching this "shite". Season 2 is a hard pass because I’m not interested in TV shows or films that want to shove “The Message” down my throat. So many out there have tried to do this to their audience, and all of them have bombed. Plus killing off a main character like Joel just reminds me of why I stopped watching the Walking Dead years ago. No thank you, Sir I will not have another! To get where I'm coming from, here's the link to CD 's review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLAExbWpzo