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Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) - Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2025-08-30 23:30:03
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3 movies in 1 kind of in this ultimate cut?! This worked for me actually! I liked Ben Afflek as Batman and Jesse E as Luthor! I have some questions about motives for all of them but still very entertaining!PS: I was able to find the ultimate edition on HBO, so that's where I watched it!

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Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) - Full Reaction - Popcorn In Bed

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Anthony Carlson

“Oh, yes it has, sir. Everything's changed. Men fall from the sky, the gods hurl thunderbolts, innocents die. That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel." Alfred always has wisdom to share…

MannyDC

Darn it im working 🤬🤬🤬 tonight 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🫶🏽👍🏽

Jay Jay Reyes

Wouldn't you believe as Bruce, an alien who has the ability to destroy us. We should be cautious. Find ways to stop him in case he turns.

thansen

What an incredible movie! The acting, direction, effects, music. Masterpiece!

Dan M

I’m glad you liked the movie, Cassie, but I’m curious to see how you reacted to certain parts of the movie. I was kind of hoping this movie would do for the DCEU what The Avengers did for the MCU. Sadly, it didn’t. But I still thought it was a pretty good movie, with some flaws. Looking forward to watching this later tonight. Hope you have a great Labor Day weekend! 😎

Charles Briggs

Now on to Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) 👍😁 I like to thank you lovely ladies for this reaction it was great 🫡

djKENTO

I’ll always be sad Affleck didn’t get to make his so Batman movie.

Geoman

Your a superstar ⭐⭐⭐ thank you for going that extra mile..the ultimate version is far better..and I will put the movie forward... Zack Snyders Justice league is the follow up to this ultimate dawn of justice... Zack Snyder was the original director for Justice league but because of the passing of his daughter he stepped away and Joss Whedon took over it and just fecked it up..so Zack's version is far far better.

Geoman

This is going to be good.. setting up now...next 3 hours I'm chilling watching this.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Brian McGovern

I actually liked this more than MOS.

WestBound

Oh god I already have to catch up on the last GoT upload . Gonna be a long night when I get home at 11p

Dean Holt

It’s a really shame Batfleck never got his own solo film. But I really didn’t like Jesse Eisenberg in this I thought he was seriously missed cased, but glad you like it. Really looking forward to finding out what you thought about some of the big plot points. And if you thought some of them where a bit dumb especially one particular thing. But tbh yes I thought this was far from perfect but I still enjoy it when I rewatch it.

Wes

Get to watch the ultimate edition for the first time with the popcorn girls 👌

Stick Figure Studios

Zack Snyder is a very polarizing director with a very vocal fan base that worships him and a whole section of cinephilia that think he's just the worst filmmaker working today (beating out other abysmal directors like Michael Bay, Brett Ratner, Roland Emmerich and Uwe Boll). This may sound overly diplomatic or like a coward's way out, but I tend to rest somewhere in the middle. I actually kind of like Zack Snyder as a purveyor of images. He makes some of the most visually striking movies in mainstream Hollywood today. It's in the stories and characters wear his films tend to fall apart. Consequently, BATMAN V. SUPERMAN is a bit of a mess. A good looking mess certainly, but a messing nonetheless. Character motivations and plot are often nonsensical (Lex Luthor's plan is incredibly stupid, overly convoluted and relies on some of the most unpredictable coincidences possible), but the action set pieces are kinetic and the film is, for the most part pretty well cast. Like everyone else, I was skeptical when I first heard Ben Affleck was going to play Batman, but he acquitted himself rather nicely. I also like to Jeremy irons as Alfred and Gal Gadot as Wonder woman. The weak spot casting-wise is definitely Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Just a collection of annoying tics and ham-fisted mugging, I think he is quite possibly the worst Lex Luthor ever. Snyder also demonstrates with this film is that the character whose story he really wanted to tell was Batman. Though I take some issue with his interpretation of that hero as well, the sensibilities of Batman just resonate more with Snyder and the material works better with his particular style of filmmaking/storytelling. I've always felt that Snyder didn't really "get" Superman (certainly not as well as Richard Donner or James Gunn do), but he does seem to get Batman more. In spite of all this, I actually do kind of like the movie. It's too dark, too violent and is simultaneously both overstuffed and undercooked (If that's possible), but I enjoy it nonetheless... particularly the extended cut which is superior to the theatrical cut. When you do eventually get around to JUSTICE LEAGUE, Once again you absolutely have to watch the longer director's cut (also know as ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE). It is so much better than the hugely compromised and schizophrenic theatrical version (which was reworked and directed by Joss Whedon) that it is ridiculous. Glad you both gave this a chance and I'm looking forward to this reaction. Hopefully you'll try WONDER WOMAN next. Not only better than this one, but it is actually a good movie. :-)

Blake Evans

This movie is needlessly convoluted and they tried to pack way too much into it to catch up with Marvel. But Ben Affleck was a surprisingly great Batman. I still dont get Lex Luthor's plan though.

Chris Thom

That's a rational position to take! There are some things Zack is very, very talented at...and some things he never gets quite right. And I can never pin point exactly what he's missing because I'm so distracted by the pretty visuals and shot compositions. Lol. And maybe that's what it is. He's a visual director so concerned with that that the dialogue between characters is never quite human enough. Or something. That said, I think he brought something pretty special to DC that set apart from Marvel in a meaningful way. And for that, I think he did his job beautifully. But I'm not going to act like he's a perfect director because he's definitely not. Props to Affleck I think he did great. And Jesse Eisenberg was weirdly believable as a very twisted, troubled, bitter tech-geek Luthor.

Farbod

If only Zach Snyder could tell a coherent story...

Chris Thom

Weirdly excited for this reaction and not sure why. Thanks for watching this, and committing to the extended edition! Respect. You and Carly are the best! I know she doesn't believe in special editions of any kind if they're over ten minutes longer. But she sat through it like a champ.

Bill Maurer

*** Spoiler alert **** Spoiler alert *** Again ... Spoiler Alert below .... First off, best Batman fight in any and all Batman movies. Nothing comes close to him taking on 20 or so people in this movie in my humble opinion. Ben Affleck was a very good Batman, as well. Very underrated and he didn't deserve the "hate" he got when he was announced as the new Batman Next is about the death of Superman. I was a young(er) Airman stationed in West Germany (Google it) when DC announced / strongly hinted about the Death of Superman in their upcoming storylines. This was a major announcement in the comic book world( I collected some Batman comics at this same time). This went viral before going viral was viral. We read and heard about it on Stars & Stripes and Armed Forces network and was covered by every major news program and newspaper. It was simply a marketing ploy with a great story and everything worked as subscriptions and orders for this series went through the roof. I believe when Christopher Nolan (remember him - he's done pretty well) ) produced Man of Steel and subsequent movies this was the storyline they wanted to follow. Yes it is darker than any Superman movies, but how can it not be when you kill off one of more beloved Superheroes ... ever. Plus having Batman, the Dark Knight, in the movie adds to the tone of the story. What I didn't like were the amount of "dreams" Bruce Wayne had in the movie, two I believe. I think DC was taken aback from the success of Marvel's "Avenger " series and DC tried to catch up all in one movie. They could have shown them as after credit scenes and tease the audience as to what is to come. I think if they had just focused on Batman & Superman and the introduction of Wonder Woman, it would have had better box office numbers and appealed to the ordinary movie fan a bit better. I still loved the movie and Snyder's version of Justice League is fantastic. Hope and believe the girls will continue with JL and quite possibly move onto Wonder Woman and maybe Aquaman. Thanks to the both of you for watching it.

Just Plain Bob

No other director splits my opinion the way Snyder does. I think his DCEU films are bad. His Vegas zombie flick was like something a 13 year old would direct. On the other hand, I liked 300 pretty well and thought his remake of Dawn of the Dead was way better than it had any right to be. And I know it’s a controversial opinion, but I thought Watchmen was very good. I haven’t seen a movie of his that I thought was just ok. They’ve all been good or bad, IMO. PS: Didn’t Eisenberg himself say he did a poor job in this film fairly recently? It seemed like he was trying to steal scenes. He failed. The three hero leads each did better work. PPS: I agree about the Snyder cut vs the Whedon cut of Justice League. Like most, I saw the Whedon cut first. It was terrible. The Snyder cut made a lot more sense. The Whedon cut was bad enough that I now wonder if he deliberately sabotaged the project. Certainly his on set behavior, as described by cast members, makes it seem as though there was an underlying aura of hostility on his part during filming. And the CGI removal of Cavill’s mustache has to be seen to be believed.

Lock_Down

Omg I have to see this nowwwww

aarswft

It is nice that instead of feeling empty after finishing these movies because of how joyless and shallow these characters are, you get to watch the new Superman movie done right. Much better bookend.

Cole Jennett

I know she really had no choice but to watch the Ultimate Edition because of all the comments in favour of it but… Batman v Superman is on 3 of the subscription services I subscribe to and all 3 are the theatrical😂

Stick Figure Studios

Yeah, I liked his DAWN OF THE DEAD remake as well. Not nearly the great film that George Romero's originally is, but a good film on its own.

Bill Maurer

Also, love the blanket ... "The Searchers" !!!

Chris Thom

I know wtf. They be doing that just to be obnoxious. I swear they all follow PIB and make moves accordingly.

Clay F

I will watch the reaction after A&M football game over. HBO Max part of my cable service, so watching the Ultimate Edition no problem for me. Your link works. I am not surprised that Affleck makes a good Batman. Looks like from your text description above and the outro, you liked BvS better than I expected. That means I guess we get Justice League (executive decision, no poll), which receives better reviews than BvS. Also, maybe we get Wonder Woman (2017) (executive decision, no poll), which I very much welcome that.

Baldemort

I cant wait for Wonder Woman then the Justice League Snyder cut! You Ladies are in for a hell of a ride. Zach Snyder didnt originally direct Justice League because his daughter died. Then after a whole battle with Warner Brothers, he came back to make the Snyder Cut, not just for the fans, but in her memory because she loved every one of his super hero movies. He came back to make Justice League Snyder cut in his original vision and as if he was making it so she could enjoy it. Re shoots, extended scenes, Scenes added in that were originally taken out, Better VFX. Different editing all together. Pretty much an entire different film than the theatrical version. The whole nine yards. So im very much excited for you ladies to see it!

Just Plain Bob

I’m not a fan of Snyder’s DC universe. As I said previously, I think he misunderstood Superman in his first film. But, in his defense, it’s hard to know exactly what this film series would have looked like if not for two major obstacles. First, thanks to Marvel’s success, there was a real push to get to Justice League and to do so post haste. Marvel had the luxury/wisdom to establish its core characters in their own movies (or as characters in other movies) before Avengers. Snyder tried to get there in two movies, almost certainly at the insistence of the studio. Which brings me to the second obstacle, studio interference. After Man of Steel, it seemed like the studio panicked a bit. The result was the inclusion of elements in this film and Justice League that didn’t pay off. Most pronounced was the inclusion of the flash forwards/dreams of an apocalyptic Earth. Because of the way the studio handled it, this major subplot simply went nowhere. And Joss Whedon’s reshoots and edits of Justice League took a decent film and turned it into a monstrosity. I know it costs money, but they’d have been better off shutting down production until Snyder was ready to return. I used to be a huge fan of Whedon; Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly are two of my favorite tv shows ever. Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog has to be seen to be truly appreciated. His two Marvel films were very good. TBH, I didn’t think the Avengers could be adapted for the big screen. Too many high profile actors to keep happy. But Whedon did a great job. Then the stories of his on set behavior became public knowledge and he butchered Justice League. In Hollywood, you can overcome bad behavior and even bad box office, but not both. PS: I agree with the widespread criticism of Batman deciding not to murder Superman because their mothers shared a first name. It’s utterly ridiculous. But neither character was presented as entirely rational in the film. It’s a credit to the actors that they still did a reasonably good job despite what I consider poor writing. Jesse Eisenberg, on the other hand, was horrible.

Michael G

By nature of death of the author, a character cannot be misunderstood. they are complete new when someone new takes on writing them.

Just Plain Bob

I think that’s nonsense. To the extent possible, the original vision should be honored. The vast majority of portrayals of Superman have been to treat him as a Boy Scout, a character of hope. They even ret-conned his insignia to mean that very thing. There was nothing hopeful about the character in the first movie. I won’t revisit my full comments from that film, because I went on at some length. But I don’t think that the death of J.R.R. Tolkien, for instance, should result in some new author deciding that Aragorn wasn’t such a good guy, after all. Respect to the original creators.

Jon Johns

Cassie! Since his debut in Detective Comics #27 in 1939, Batman has appeared in around 24,000 comic book issues, making him one of the most published fictional characters in history. Beyond the movies, Batman headlines several long-running comic book series—including Batman, Detective Comics, Legends of the Dark Knight, and Shadow of the Bat—each with hundreds of issues shaped by different writers and artists. These overlapping series, combined with countless team-ups in Justice League, World’s Finest Comics, and The Brave and the Bold, explain why Batman’s origin story and personality can look different from one story (or film) to the next. He isn’t just one version—he’s the product of decades of evolving storytelling, thousands of creators, and a publishing history stretching back more than 85 years.

Ib-René Jørgensen

This edition is not available on Danish HBO😢 or for rent anywhere.

Just Plain Bob

Romero is probably my third favorite director (behind Hitchcock and John Carpenter). And his Dawn of the Dead is the best zombie movie ever made. By rights, I should have hated the remake. But it was very well done and I liked it quite a bit. I had high hopes for his Vegas zombie film as a result. But it was horrible.

Just Plain Bob

Agree completely. I’m not an Affleck fan, but I thought he did very well with the character in a film in which character motivations were either murky or poorly explained. It would’ve been interesting to see what they could have done if he’d had his own film first, helping to better establish his version of the character.

Just Plain Bob

I thought the characterization of Superman was much better, if a bit combative (he didn’t make much effort to talk Batfleck down before they went full punchy punchy).

Alex Gorell

This is one of the few movies I actually shut off before it ended. Couldn’t believe how bad I found it. Glad you enjoyed it though.

Clay F

Available to rent ($3.99) on Amazon Prime Video in US. Check to see if available to rent on Amazon Prime Video in Denmark.

Stick Figure Studios

I agree with you, Bob. "Death of the author" has been a terrible thing for authorial intent and media literacy. You can absolutely get a fictional character wrong.

Shehab Dawoud

This movie was partially inspired by The Dark Knight Returns comic book, which was later made into a 2-part animated movie in 2012. Check it out if you ever want to dive back into a Batman animated film. As you saw, the dirt moved at the end. Henry Cavill is back in Justice League, I don't think it's a spoiler to say that. If you're gonna watch it, watch the one titled Zack Snyder's Justice League. It is 4 hours, but it is very good. Ben Affleck gets some stick from people about his portrayal, but I thought he did well as an older, worn-out Batman who's seen too much shit for 20 years. The biggest minuses, other than a slightly convoluted plot, were Jesse Eisenberg and Gal Gadot. Eisenberg's performance ended up being a bad Heath Ledger/Joker impression, and Gal Gadot is.. well.. You can skip Wonder Woman.

Stick Figure Studios

Yeah, I would like to have seen a backflex solo movie. Also would have liked a proper sequel to MOS, but alas it was not to be.

Ian A

Thanks for watching this with us! 3 hrs is a definite commitment. The movie is good. I do love Affleck as Batman. Maybe because I love the style of The Dark Knight Returns. I just love how muscular Batman is in this. He is a mid 40s tank in this, not a sleek young batman of the other movies. (Which i love also)

Tyler Hale

Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor was all about power, being the smartest man in the room. That’s why he hated Superman as a god figure. For him, it’s about power. He also has daddy issues as he said on the roof top. Notice how he said no man saved him from daddy’s fist but then Superman saves him from Doomsday right after he’s born.

Tyler Hale

Batman’s motivation is because he thinks Superman is a threat even if there’s a 1% chance he is dangerous they must stop him (that’s a Dick Cheney reference). In this movie, he’s lost his way and code of not killing anyone but by the end of the movie he regains himself. He doesn’t brand Luthor at the end.

Kevin Karst

Can't believe you enjoyed Jesse Eisenberg's performance. It's to this day still the worst performance I've seen by any actor in anything. He's unbelievably annoying, and he's the reason I will never watch this movie again.

Ike

Once again, you ladies’ reaction are step-for-step with movie audiences when this was released. What were everyone’s motivations? Were they consistent throughout? And… “what was… wha…???” Like I said in MAN OF STEEL, this was visually spectacular! This is the best Batman suit in film and probably the best Bruce Wayne - Ben Affleck did this character justice - although (IMO) the script & screenplay did not. Trivia Question #1: Ben Affleck!s batsuit is based on which version of the caped crusader? Trivia Question #2: What is Superman lifting on Earth to get muscles like that? (don’t answer that one)

Just Plain Bob

The funny thing is that the dirt moving has nothing to do with it. It’s a set up with no payoff. Never thought of Eisenberg doing a hybrid version of Luthor and Joker but, now that you mention it, I think that’s exactly what he was trying for…and failing at, miserably.

Tyler Hale

The whole point of Batman’s character in this is to show he’s fallen from grace and lost his way, lost his code when it comes to avoiding death for his enemies.

Tyler Hale

I did. He played a control freak weasel obsessed with power and being the smartest man in the room.

Just Plain Bob

The really hard to believe part is that Affleck and Cavill were nominated for Golden Raspberries for their performances and Eisenberg was not.

Tyler Hale

Ultimate Edition fixes that. It was the version he intended but the geniuses at WB had no patience

Clay F

Wonder Woman (2017) = "an action film, a romantic comedy and a coming-of-age story and a period piece and a war movie all in one." I would like to see a reaction to WONDER WOMAN (2017) (Chris Pine is good) before Justice League (2021). No. 18 at popcorn requests = Wonder Woman (2017) [RT 93%] No. 857 at popcorn requests = Justice League (2021) [RT 71%] I have watched Wonder Woman (2017) three times. I guess Carly wouldn't participate in the reaction b/c she has seen Wonder Woman.

Brent Petty

The fact that Carly hasn't seen Good Will Hunting is a travesty. Also a great opportunity for a reaction.

Jason Dolan

I never understood people being mad at Superman in Man of Steel for fighting in the city when Christopher Reeve does the exact same thing in Superman II. Also, the circumstances are totally different in those movies and he didn’t really have a choice to some extent. The same thing happens in The Avengers and no one has an issue. This is end of the world comic book destruction corn 101. Also Reeve Superman crushed Zod’s hand and kills hin in Superman II AFTER they lose their powers and Reeve Superman beats up the diner bully. Reeve Superman is actually kind of sadistic.

Tyler Hale

Eisenberg won which I rolled my eyes at. I get he was jittery and all that but I loved how different it was. Granted, I think Hoult’s Lex is better.

Michael G

No that is just how adaptation works. The original version should be honoured? How was it not honoured? I guess in your eyes every superman that flies is technically not honouring the original. There are a few thousand different versions of this character. They can change as much or as little about the character as they want and still be the character. Since Superman does not fly originally, they by your own statement, ever Superman after that you have an issue with. Your own logic and reasoning betrays you. Wait, do you think "death of the author" means their literal death? That is not what death of the author means. It is saying that as soon as someone else takes up the property, the characters, that it automatically becomes something new and in order to have new perspective, a new voice, that they have to disregard the original author. This is exceptionally so when material is adapted across mediums. In your worldview we would have a lack of creativity and expression. You must hate the Lion King then. The audience has no ownership or entitlement to the property. People taking on the property are free to do with it as they please. Without that, it would be a dull dull world

bgb1975 (Brian)

I only vaguely remember the theatrical version, and not being impressed at all. I might see if I can find the ultimate edition and give it a try with Cassie.

Clay F

I couldn't agree more. By far, my top (No. 1) request for a Cassie rewatch/Carly first watch reaction is GOOD WILL HUNTING.

Just Plain Bob

Using that logic, a “Superman” without any powers who has asthma and does people’s taxes and goes home to his cat would still be a valid version of the character. Or a version where he’s just a regular guy except for the fact he’s secretly a serial killer. Just because there are one offs and alternate versions doesn’t make them the character people know and expect.

Michael G

By definition you cannot get a fictional character wrong. Fictional characters do not exist, they are not real, it is 100% made up and imaginary.

Just Plain Bob

Hard to argue with that (absence of) logic. What’s the use of even having characters then? They’re all ciphers. Personalities, characteristics, etc, are all utterly meaningless. In which case, the audience loses interest. Because who cares about a character without characteristics. Storytelling dies.

JL_83

whatever version I saw was whatever they released in theaters back in 2016, and I hardly remember it…

Kevin Karst

I don't have much of a problem with how the script portrayed Lex (the control freak weasel thing that you mentioned), my issue is really just with the performance. The annoying voice, the stuttering, the many nervous tics and quirks. I just can't watch it, it's so silly and I can't take him serious at all like that.

Nick Ireland

In the nicest way possible... could you please stop cracking your knuckles? Or maybe just once per video? 😁

Brian Smith

you need to watch superman 2025

Jason Dolan

Superman had a real vengeful side back then - not as wholesome as Cavill’s Superman - but also yes they definitely HAD IT COMING - pop 6 squish uh uh Sicero lipshits!

Art Vandalaay

In the UK at least, BvS is £3.99 in the Apple Store. For that you get both Theatrical and Ultimate Editions. Don’t be tricked into buying the Ultimate Edition alone for £8.99 when you get both for £3.99 Technically it’s the Theatrical version with Ultimate as an Extra. So you do have to go hunting to find it in the Extras Menu. And it’s not well advertised but I assure you it’s there.

Stick Figure Studios

I knew that they were going to be totally confused by the flash time-traveling back to talk to Bruce.

aarswft

Honestly props to Carly for calling out every stupid plotline in this movie.

Shane Vela

When you watch Justice League make sure it's the Zack Snyders version and not the theatrical version

Ike

I’m still confused! 🤣

Carol_White

That's because the Danes have good taste.

MrKsummer7

When someone asks me if I’ve seen Batman v. Superman, I always respond with one word: MARTHA! This film is a teeter-totter of good and bad. I was so excited when DC announced the title of the film, but, like everyone else, I was in shock and disbelief when Ben Affleck was cast as Bruce Wayne. The Good: He ended up delivering a well-rendition of the character, so I wasn’t that disappointed, and his fight sequence with Luthor’s thugs made you stand up and cheer. Gal Gadot’s first scene as Diana Prince was mesmerizing, and then when she appeared as Wonder Woman was truly epic. Now the Bad: I’ve watched BvS multiple times and still can’t quite understand the plotline. Why does Lex Luthor need or care that the two of them fight each other?! I understand Batman’s reason, but Luthor’s, nope. It’s just stupid and lazy writing by Chris Terrio and David S. Goyer. And to think, Goyer wrote the Dark Knight trilogy! Their flashbacks and other sequences created too many plot holes, and the fight between B and S is good in the beginning, but anticlimactic at the end. The whole idea of trying to catch up to Marvel by cramming a world-building Justice League into one film lacked focus and was so obviously rushed. I remember how disappointed my friends and I were as we left the theater. The really, really, really Bad: Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of the Riddler, umm, I mean Lex Luthor. By itself, it absolutely ruined the film! G*d! he was terrible! He won the Golden Raspberry for this. Heck, give him another, just because. I’ll watch this again, as I want to see Cassie’s reaction. I’m sure she won’t be as critical as I am, so it will be fun to see it with her. MARTHA! LOL

Tyler Hale

I think the issue is that thousands of people died in Man of Steel.

Jason Dolan

And thousands of people died in The Avengers yet no complaints.

Choof

While this movie is more fun than man of steel I dont enjoy it very much either. Affleck was good at Batman but he does far too much killing. If you're gonna have Batman be a killer you need it to be in a solo Batman movie and make it the character arc of the movie. There's just so..much...plot in these movies they never let the character development breathe, its just plot point->Henry Cavill looks sad ->plot point->Affleck looks mad. They can cut wonder woman and almost all the lois lane subplot and not lose much and still get to about the same point. Next up is Wonder Woman (2017) and then Zack Snyder's Justice League was officially released in 2021. There are other movies like the 2 aquaman movies, 2 suicide squad movies, a Harley Quinn movie and the flash movie but i personally dont see much value in those and value in those taking up reaction spots. Wonder Woman and ZSJL will suffice IMO. Then you can just jump to Superman (2025) which i love but I get the feeling you won't like as much as these but we'll see.

LukeG84

Just finished watching this one. Dropped everything the moment I got the notification and loaded up the movie. As expected, I knew Cassie & Carly would enjoy this movie. Carly having seen Women Woman was a nice surprise. I love that she was trying to convince Cassie to watch it. Fingers crossed! Would love it if Cassie & Carly watched everything, but the most important movies are Wonder Woman and then Zack Synder's Justice League (don't watch the 2016 Justice League). Might be worth making that one a theatre reaction. Fair warning, it's 4h 2m long! - Man Of Steel (2013) ✅ - Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice (2016) ✅ - Suicide Squad (2016) - Wonder Woman (2017) ⭐ - Zack Snyder’s Justice League (2021) ⭐ - Aquaman (2018) - Shazam! (2019) - Birds Of Prey: And The Fantabulous Emancipation Of One Harley Quinn (2020) - Wonder Woman 1984 (2020) - The Suicide Squad (2021) - Peacemaker Season One (2022) - Black Adam (2022) - Shazam! Fury Of The Gods (2023) - The Flash (2023) - Blue Beetle (2023) - Aquaman And The Lost Kingdom (2023) P.s. Zack Synder's daughter passed away by suicide during the making of Justice League 2016. Joss Whedon was brought in to complete it, but completely ruined it with unnecessary reshoots, despite the movie being in post-production. The internet did it's thing and the Snyder Cut was finally released in 2021. For some unknown reason, Zack released it in 4:3 aspect ratio for IMAX, despite knowing it wouldn't get a theatre release. I'm guessing he has an IMAX screen at home or something!

baz0348

Fyi if you didn't notice Jeffrey dean Morgan and Lauren cohan from the walking dead played Bruce Wayne's parents.

thansen

Yeah, Good Will Hunting is a film I wanted to love but there was very little of it I liked. Poor performances and writing, both of which were recognized by the Oscars.

Uncle Phoenix

It’s so sad; that you can actually see when “the cvid” made movies start to suck.

Uncle Phoenix

I actually LOVED this cut of the movie.

thansen

Yes. It's truly a terrible movie. Each version. You did the right thing.

Charles Briggs

Every single live action Batman kills 🤷‍♂️

Uncle Phoenix

Carly was VERY impressive in this one.

LukeG84

What's "the cvid"?

Uncle Phoenix

Boo. I love the knuckle cracking. My favorite is near the end of “Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon”. Carly cracks her neck; and then Cassie gives her this amazed Side Eye; and then Cassie tries and fails to crack her own neck. It is literally one of my favorite PIB moments.

Uncle Phoenix

AND Zod said that he wanted maximum civilian casualties.

LukeG84

The Ultimate Edition is free on Prime!! I have the Blu-Ray but watched it on there instead.

Nick Ireland

That was more than I needed to know but ok

LukeG84

Agreed. But if's she's going to watch Peacemaker season two, which James Gunn said is a direct continuation from Superman, she needs to watch Suicide Squad (2016), The Suicide Squad (2021), and Peacemaker season one (2022) first. In my opinion.

Matt Rowland

I love this movie more each time I watch it. There are a segment of fans who are self-loathing with everything in this DC extended universe, when I just want to see Superman be the person I know him to be. And he is that. The movie is long, it's like 2.5 movies in one; I do wish they would have made Man of Steel 2 and THEN this movie (because MOS2 was in here for an hour or so). But I can appreciate what it is and what it became. Ladies, if you continue, I know the 4 hour Snyder Cut of Justice League is a LOOOONG watch, but its infinitely better than what Joss Whedon gave us in the theatrical version.

LukeG84

I agree with everything written above! 2nd place would be SIGNS.

Scott Macaulay

So a Wonder Woman reaction with Carly???

TheSingulatarian

Cassie should probably split The Snyder cut of Justice League into two videos. It is a loong one.

Chris Thom

I don't think Carly has ever sat in for one she'd seen before. Cassie has.

Chris Thom

Ultimately I think it's just that the story being told is more dark and icky than what people are used to for these. But the filmmaking involved and performances and visuals are all pretty stellar. Personally I think Snyder really kicked it up a notch for the franchise.

Chris Thom

Oh woah I didn't recognize Lauren at all.

Doug Fisher

What you seem to be missing Michael is that stories and characters still need to adhere to the rules of the world built for that narrative. So, you can absolutely get a character wrong, it is still a character. a wrong character but still a character (which is where you are getting confused).

Doug Fisher

Zach is alright if he is directing someone else's story and has someone to keep him between the curbs. He is terrible writing his own stories. I don't like Zach personally as he fits into the poser category for me, along with directors like J.J. Abrams. This is evident for both of them for example Zach slow motion overuse is to Abrams lens flare over use. Traits of directors with no real artistic vision.

Doug Fisher

All I will say Cass and Carly is that this outcome was comic book accurate in that Doomsday did kill Superman.

Brent Petty

I'm surprised neither of them recognized JDM as Denny from Grey's Anatomy.

Brent Petty

She might. She watched Black Widow w/ Cassie and she'd already seen it IIRC.

Choof

When did Robert Pattinson kill? When did Adam West kill? and did any of the others use giant machine guns to blow people up? I'm not being argumentative but none of them killed as much and as blatantly as this. And im not against Batman killing, im against jamming it in an already crammed movie and not fully reckoning with it.

K, Zachary

You the great thing about being California it's nearly 2100. If we were back in the Central time zone it be 2300 and we would be asleep. So we got to finish the movie. So this gave way to The Justice League. Yeah we totally agree Carly with the first Wonder Woman was amazing while WW 1984 was not good. However that's just our opinion and we don't count only the Two GOAT opinions count. We still think Amy Adams best was Arrival and Trouble With The Curve. Again opinions... Yada Yada Yada. We noticed the little ping to Patreon on my phone in Hermosa Beach and bolted back to Culver City where we are staying to watch this. Thanks girls.

Clay F

She said she will react to Superman (2025).

Clay F

Yet, in the outro, Carly said the movie is “entertaining.” I still need to watch the reaction.

Cole Jennett

Carly had not seen Black Widow prior to watching it on the channel. She didn’t even remember events from End Game when she watched it.

Cole Jennett

Forrest Gump, and The Imitation Game for me as well

Cole Jennett

I highly doubt we are ever going to get Peacemaker. It’s up there with The Boys for shock value.

Cole Jennett

“It’s like an Orc on Kryptonian Steroids!” Ever since she called a Tauntaun a Llama Kangaroo, I’ve loved her descriptions of creatures.

Bill Maurer

Yup, I was a Batman collector in those days but when i heard about the storyline with Doomsday I had to buy some. Great storyline for Superman / DC !!

Bill Maurer

Great reaction ladies !!!! One of your better ones. Luthor's Japanese assistance in this movies was played by the Japanese actress / model Tao Okamoto. She was Wolverine's love interest in the movie "Wolverine". Also, in the beginning of the movie where the cops find the human trafficker chained up. In the scene where the people where hiding behind bars in the basement, the young lady closing the jail door and talking to the cops was Clint Eastwood's neighbor in "Gran Torino", Ahne Her "Wonder Woman" and "Justice League" should finish out your Snyderverse. But, watch the 4 hr. long "Justice League" on HBO. The Whedon version is an abomination. Simply terrible Thanks for all you do and good luck with Wisdom Teeth 2, 3 and 4 removal.

Cole Jennett

I knew I recognized her from something!

Chris Thom

Dang I thought she looked familiar. But he straight up left her to die in that courtroom didn't he?

Stick Figure Studios

SUPERMAN II also shows Superman saving people in the midst of the fight. Something MOS doesn't). The two fights are just radically different with one having far less destruction and collateral damage. It is ambiguous as to whether Superman kills Zod in SUPERMAN II. A deleted scene shows the three Kryptonians being led out of the Fortress in cuffs. Reeve's Superman is not a killer. Also, watch the diner scene again. Superman does not "beat up" the bully. He never throws a single punch. He just stands there while the guy tries to hit him. Then he spins him around really fast, sits him on his food and pushes him into the pinball machine. He's really more interested in humiliating the guy, taking him down a peg. There may be some revenge involved in it, but it's really more to teach the guy a lesson so that he will think twice about pushing anybody else around in the future. He is preventing further victims. AND THEN TO TOP IT ALL OFF, HE PAYS THE OWNER FOR THE DAMAGE. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with what Superman does in that scene.

D. T. Nelson

The DCEU movies in order were Man of Steel; Batman v Superman; Suicide Squad; Wonder Woman; Justice League; Aquaman; Shazam; Birds of Prey; WonderWoman 1984; The Suicide Squad (same title as the 2016 film but with the word THE in front of it); Black Adam; Shazam! Fury of the Gods; The Flash; Blue Beetle; and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. Many of the films are stand alone. The only ones that really connect to each other are Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Wonder Woman, and Justice League. Black Adam sort of connects to the Shazam movies. Not sure why everyone said to watch the Ultimate edition of this movie. The extra stuff is confusing and connects to nothing in any of the other movies, really. Any connection to Justice League was tenuous at best and didn't go anywhere.

Stick Figure Studios

This movie came out before WONDER WOMAN, Cassie, but the story of WW chronologically takes place before the events of this film... sort of like (In fact, a lot like) how CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER came out after IRON MAN but its story happens before it.

Chris Thom

I did watch a vid a few years ago about all the times Superman was needlessly a dick in the comics and it was kind of hilarious. He's been multiple different versions of himself over the years.

Chris Thom

It does fill in the gaps better. The story is pretty episodic to begin with so the added scenes make it feel more like a mini-series compared to a movie.

Chris Thom

I mean Lex's idea of having some kryptonite on hand as a possible deterrent wasn't exactly crazy.

Darren Harrison

Listen to Carly. You must watch “Wonder Woman” next because you’ll need the details in that movie to make sense of “Justice League”

Ike

If I could sum up this awesome-looking superhero movie in one word, it would be: Pretentious.

Cole Jennett

The extra 30 minutes didn’t add to my enjoyment in any way either.

Chris Thom

There's been some outstanding Cassie-isms over the years. On all manner of subject, character, creature, philosophy, and general concept. "What the ding ding is he talking about?" struck me as a good one for some reason. lol

Jay

Snyder’s outline for his trilogy of justice league films were…something. The future post apocalyptic world we see in BvS does come to fruition in his treatments and I’m not sure any casual fan would want to see that. The Ultimate version is the better film but if an original story can’t be told in 2 hours then that’s on the filmmaker. Loved 300 and Watchmen but his DCEU were huge misses for me.

Lock_Down

Btw for justice league directly go to the Zack Snyder version .

Jason Dolan

I will vote to do the Extended Cut of SUICIDE SQUAD next, then WONDER WOMAN before concluding with ZACK SNYDER’S JUSTICE LEAGUE. From there you can kind of navigate as you wish.

Keith Jacobsen

This film is loosely based on The Dark Knight Returns, a 4 issue Batman comic published in 1986, considered by some (including me) to be one of the greatest comic stories ever made. Written by Frank Miller, who also wrote one of your recent favorites Cassie, Sin City. 🤣

Jason Dolan

I think the best way to enjoy the DCEU is Superman The Movie Superman II Batman 89 Batman Returns Man of Steel Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition Suicide Squad Extended Cut Wonder Woman Zack Snyder’s Justice League Batman Forever Batman & Robin Aquaman The Flash Superman III Supergirl Superman IV Quest for Peace (if ya want) Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom Birds of Prey The Suicide Squad Peacemaker Season 1 Wonder Woman 1984 Green Lantern Shazam! Black Adam Shazam Fury of the Gods Superman 25 Peacemaker Season 2

Clay F

Well that's great to know. She should have reacted to the shorter version.

Just Plain Bob

He has been. But that happens when a comic (or set of comics) has been around for more than 80 years, with a dozen issues of each line being issued each year. As I understand it, Superman has been featured in more than 1,000 issues. That allows a lot more latitude for one shots, alternate universe characterizations, etc. With films, we’re lucky to get seven or eight films featuring a character. My complaint then and now is that, given the limited opportunities available on film, shouldn’t they tell stories featuring the Superman (or some close version) from the vast majority of the comics. And that character is hopeful and a beacon. But it’s definitely true that he’s been quite dark in the comics, even resorting to multiple murders in at least one alternate universe story. I also think it’s an acknowledgment on the part of Snyder that he made a mistake in Man of Steel by having the end fight take place in downtown Metropolis in the middle of the day. They go out of their way in this film to mention first that Metropolis is virtually deserted at the time the fight with Doomsday breaks out. They also openly question the wisdom of taking the fight to Gotham and only do so because the spear is there. And the final battle is depicted as taking place in an industrial area with no civilians present. Clearly, Snyder heard the complaints from Man of Steel regarding the disregard for collateral damage. It’s even addressed directly in the movie, with activists and Congressional hearings.

Ib-René Jørgensen

Apparently it's deemed an unsafe website, but thanks anyway..

Just Plain Bob

Kevin, I agree. The words he spoke didn’t bother me nearly as much as his characterization. He was all tics and twitches.

Just Plain Bob

Ike, the Batsuit, both his regular suit and his armor, were taken directly from Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns limited series, as was Superman getting nuked. But Doomsday plays no role in the comic. Snyder essentially combined the Superman dies comic book of the early 90s with Miller’s Dark Knight Returns from a few years earlier. Although I still don’t care for the film, I do agree with those that think the director’s cut is superior to the theatrical cut. But the whole thing about Batman not killing Supes because their mothers share a first name is one of the stupidest plot devices I’ve ever seen.

Clay F

Yeah, definitely Forrest Gump -- a strong No. 2 for me. Yeah, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck won the Oscar (and the Golden Globe) for Best Writing for Good Will Hunting. Universally believed well deserved. Good Will Hunting nominated for 9 Oscars including Best Picture. Also nominated for Golden Globe for Best Picture. Universally recognized as an excellent movie. Good Will Hunting (1997). IMDb 8.3 (avg rating from 1,200,000 users). RT 97%. RT Audience 94% (250,000+ ratings). The writing and performances are especially stellar in Good Will Hunting. The Golden Globe and Oscar-winning writing (screenplay) of Good Will Hunting is a true masterpiece. As for acting, incredibly strong performances (e.g., Matt Damon nom Best Actor Oscar) by so many actors in Good Will Hunting. The Robin Williams Oscar win for Best Actor is so well deserved.

Ike

Correct! He wasted so much material. There is a little bit of Batman/Superman Public Enemies in this also.

Just Plain Bob

Stick, there’s also this key fact which was ignored. In Superman 2, when Superman realized the risk to human lives, he flew away rather than risk getting people killed. The people that ignore that or say Zod would’ve stayed behind to slaughter civilians are being deliberately obtuse. By that point in the movie he HATES Superman. He’s made it clear, thru words and actions, that he’s gonna kill him. If Superman left, he would too. But, even if I’m wrong, the real point is that Superman didn’t even TRY. If Zod didn’t follow, he could’ve just turned around and continued the fight.

Just Plain Bob

Bill, agree about the Justice League version they should watch. The Whedon version is so bad that it’s hard to believe he didn’t deliberately sabotage the production.

Jason Dolan

Superman does fly Zod into outer space and away from the city in MAN OF STEEL and then they fall back into the city - and when they land, it is at this point Superman finally has no choice but to kill Zod to save the people. But he didn’t really have the same opportunity that he had in Superman II. And plenty of damage is done to Metropolis in Superman II and plenty of people likely died - they just didn’t have the same technology to show it as 2013. But ultimately it’s pretty quibbling. Superman had to stop the entire Earth from dying. He was up against far greater numbers and he had barely been Superman a week vs being Superman for years in Superman II. Just not a 1:1 comp.

Jason Dolan

Stick, maybe Superman is not a killer but he does crush Zod’s hand into dust which is pretty sadistic.

Art Vandalaay

That’s not nice Luke. Attempting to trick her into watching the Suicide Squads… What’s Cassie ever done to you.. 😂 Don’t listen to him Cassie… “It’s a Trap!”

Brent bmc_comix

And he wrote/drew 300, and alot of his work directly influenced Batman Begins and The Batman! :)

Brent bmc_comix

I really hope we go directly to Superman 2025!!! :)

Philip Alan

WONDER. WOMAN. NEXT. PLEASE! Great reaction!! I love that Carly teared up! You see? Let them watch movies! You never know if they're going to like a movie or not! :)

MannyDC

Excellent reaction to this Masterpiece!!! The scary screams to the cemetery Man-Bat scene was hilarious🤣😂 so if y’all continue in order I highly recommend Suicide Squad: Extended version with Will Smith, Margot Robbie, Jared Leto. No hard feelings if ya don’t 🤨🤔

Art Vandalaay

That’s good to know and I’ve kept Prime for its other benefits. But not watched a movie since they started charging to remove Ads. Same with Netflix and Disney. That and charging extra for 4K and whatever else they think of next. Not sure how intrusive they are but Ads will also put you out of sync with a full reaction. I’d be pausing, fast forwarding and rewinding like it’s 1985 and I’ve recorded Raiders of the Lost Ark on itv but forgot to pause the adverts 😂

Eric

I'd also love to see Cassie react to another movie by Zack Snyder that's based on another very highly praised comic book. Watchmen. That's pretty similar in style and tone and one of my favorite movies.

Art Vandalaay

What? Wait a minute…. There’s a way to ENJOY the DCEU?? 😂

The Star Treker (aka Michael)

Great reaction, Cassie and Carly. Honestly, this was my very first time watching Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice – The Ultimate Edition. I'll admit it—I definitely enjoyed this cut way more than the theatrical version, even though it's long. It feels more complete and fleshed out. You can see some things they pulled from The Death of Superman comic storyline, which honestly is still the better story by far. If you haven't checked it out, there's even an animated film based on it along with its follow-up The Reign of the Supermen, both of which I'd recommend. In the comics, Superman's memorial service was done so much better, with more of his friends showing up, making it feel truly epic and heartbreaking. Also, a fun fact—besides green Kryptonite, the only things that can kill Superman are magic and of course, Doomsday himself. Now, on Lex Luthor… I'll just say it—I like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, but he was completely miscast here. He felt like he was playing the Joker while pretending to be Lex Luthor—too comical. Honestly, he would've made a better Joker in Ben Affleck's Batman universe and the rest of the DCEU/Snyderverse than Jared Leto. For Lex, I prefer the versions that really captured his cold, ruthless, brilliant side—Michael Rosenbaum (Smallville), Michael Cudlitz (Superman & Lois), and now Nicholas Hoult (Superman 2025), even of course Clancy Brown's legendary voice work in Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. Those are the Lex Luthors I take seriously. Eisenberg? Definitely not. Honestly, I'd rank him as one of the weakest takes on the character—better than Kevin Spacey, sure, but still way off. On the other hand, I love Ben Affleck as Batman/Bruce Wayne. He's right up there for me with Michael Keaton and Kevin Conroy's iconic voice work in Batman: The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. Ben's Batman feels ripped straight out of the Batman: Arkham games—brutal, tactical, intimidating. One of my favorite versions for sure. I still appreciate what Snyder was going for with the DCEU, but it never fully landed the way it could have. What James Gunn is building now with the DCU feels like a proper reset—finally giving us a Superman with Christopher Reeve's charm, comic accuracy even from the cartoons, that feels true to the source material, same with Batman, Wonder Woman and hopefully a Justice League that truly feels united like in the animated series Justice League. Personally, I'd love to see Alan Ritchson take on Batman in the future DCU movie Batman: The Brave and the Bold. He's got the look, the presence, and the grit. And if the Clayface movie really is happening as a horror film, imagine him making his Batman debut there—that would be wild.

Mojo One Thousand

Watch the Honest Trailer of this movie. I think they made a list of the 40+ steps he had to get exactly right for his "plan" to work. And, is then undone because their mothers share a name.

The Star Treker (aka Michael)

Nah, I'd say skip that one and go straight to James Gunn's The Suicide Squad. It's miles better, and if you like that, definitely check out Peacemaker season one too—it's even better. The first Suicide Squad just didn't hit the mark. Lol. I thought Jared Leto was just okay as the Joker, but Margot Robbie completely nailed Harley Quinn. She stole the show for me, and I enjoyed her even more in James Gunn's The Suicide Squad even in Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn.

The Star Treker (aka Michael)

Yeah, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice definitely felt loosely based on The Dark Knight Returns, where Batman and Superman fight each other, I've seen the animated film based on it, with bits of The Death of Superman mixed in—mostly the whole Doomsday part. Lol. But if I remember right, in the comics Doomsday wasn't cooked up by Lex Luthor or made out of General Zod's corpse.

Mojo One Thousand

"It's dark", yep, that's the DCEU. Glad you both enjoyed it. Don't think too hard about it, as you will quickly go off the rails. I have no problem watching this movie, but it is a bit of a mess. It is a lot of movie, and most of the DCEU movies are, because the MCU had been eating their lunch for several years. When this was released the MCU was 8 years in and had 2 "Avengers" movies by this point to DC's "Man of Steel", and the tail end of Nolan's isolated "Dark Knight" trilogy. So, DC was playing catchup. If I recall correctly, they originally wanted Bale to continue as "Batman", but he wasn't interested... so, we got Affleck. Poor guy copped crap straight out of the gate, which isn't unique to "Batman" (or superhero) casting, as Keaton and Pattinson also copped a bit. I was never the biggest Affleck fan, but I was surprised at his performance and think he is one of the better aspects of the DCEU. Honourable mention for Jeremy Iron's "Alfred", I like his characterisation. Carly wondered why people weren't evacuating their building while a spaceship is nearby tearing up the planet... yep, I (among many) also had the same thought and it may have been the first, but certainly not the last nonsensical thing in this movie. Another example is, "Superman" asks "Batman" if "Wonder Woman" was with him, and he replied "I thought she was with you"... it gets a laugh, but "Batman" literally sent her an email with a picture of her in costume asking about her back story. how is he confused when she shows up? Sad, as it undercuts her appearance, which is actually really good, and her music is a better part of the score. It may be unsurprising that one of the writers also co-wrote "Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker", which is also quite the devisive movie with its storytelling problems in a different franchise. Snyder, to me, does fit into the same bucket as J. J. Abrams and Michael Bay. They are technically proficient filmmakers with good visual styling, but usually fall short with the storytelling. I heard someone say a long time ago, that they make great trailers but only average movies. That's paraphrasing but I do agree with the sentiment. I do think "Wonder Woman" would be good to reactions to, as it is one of the better DCEU entries, and it would be interesting to see Carly along, even though she has seen it. It is good when the ladies bounce off each other with these types of movies.

Shawn Kildal

IMO, the best superhero movie theme is John Williams Superman: The Movie (main theme). In second place for me is the Hans Zimmer Wonder Woman theme.

Shawn Kildal

Cassie might also recognize JDM from the last season of The Good Wife as Alicia's love interest.

Shawn Kildal

Kind of weird saying this as grown adult, but the best version and storytelling of both Batman and Superman are from the Animated Series created by Bruce Timm. I especially liked the version of Lex Luthor voiced by Clancy Brown which was infinitely better than this deranged and disturbed version featured here. Eisenberg was definitely miscast as Lex. I still enjoyed the movie though. Wonder Woman and ZS Justice League are my two favorites from this universe.

Shawn Kildal

We can skip Suicide Squad and go straight to Wonder Woman, correct?? I hope so anyway. I'd be just fine if we only continue with Wonder Woman, ZS Justice League and Aquaman.

Philip Alan

Yeah, I'm on that thought process as well. Those three and somewhere in between we can get the new Superman reaction.

Dean Holt

Stick, yeah I really wanted a MOS sequel as well. But I always thought that they were desperate in trying to catch up with the MCU. And they rushed out the Justice League, instead of establishing all the main characters first. I’ve not seen the new Superman film yet but I’m very interested to see what Gunn’s going to do with DC.

LMrcs

At face value- I like this movie. I like Ben Affleck as batman, easily top 3 for me. I do think Snyder tried to cram too much into a trilogy that could have easily been 4-6 movies. The choices for the characterizations I ultimately don't mind. Every adaptation is going to change a few things from the source material. Even if the overarching story failed over the course of a decade and more than a dozen films- the story they were telling didn't seem all that bad to me and I actually wanted to see them finish it.

Rod Reavern

There's no denying that the "Ultimate Edition" is the superior version of "Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice." It fleshed out the story and better established the characters' motivations... however, this isn't the version that audiences and critics saw in the theatre. That version is a muddled mess, lacking crucial information that made Lex's grand scheme make even the slightest sense. You only get one chance to make a first impression, and most people remember the theatrical edition, which is why BvS is rated so poorly. Although the Ultimate Edition is an improvement, audiences still didn't appreciate the darker tone of Zack Snyder's DCEU. His "style" was ill-suited for a Superman movie and was even grim for a Batman movie. Batman had become jaded after 20 years of fighting crime in Gotham with little to show for it except the loss of Robin II (Jason Todd), whose graffiti-ed costume was on display in the Batcave, a victim of The Joker (the horrible Jared Leto version). Bruce mentioned that other Gotham superheroes had been lost, and others didn't remain heroes. That's why Batman was so extreme in BvS, brutalizing, branding, and apparently killing criminals. Audiences didn't like that depiction of Batman -- although I think Ben Affleck portrayed an excellent Bruce Wayne (arguably the best). The glaring problem with Snyder's interpretation of Superman was the character's lack of communication and transparency. If you recall, in "Superman (1978)," Lois Lane interviewed Superman soon after he first appeared in Metropolis, and she told his story in a positive light that helped the public trust him. In "Man of Steel," Lois investigated and uncovered the mysterious hero's identity before he became Superman, and she chose not to publish the story. By the time General Zod invaded, it was too late; Zod's threat made everyone on Earth demand that Superman surrender himself, and the mass destruction caused by Superman fighting the evil Kryptonians only damaged his public perception further. In comparison, the 2012 "Avengers" film, the Avengers were portrayed more positively, the Battle of NYC had far less collateral damage, and Iron Man prevented the U.S. military from NUKING Manhattan, making it undeniable that the Avengers saved the city and its inhabitants. In contrast, Zack Snyder made the OPPOSITE decisions in MoS and BvS, consistently going darker and more destructive, which is why audiences disliked his film adaptation of the classic DC superheroes. Cassie and Carly admitted they enjoyed that BvS was multiple movies crammed into one -- most fans and critics did NOT. Again, the main problem was the shorter theatrical cut, but mainstream audiences tend to dislike long movies, and the theatrical version was already 2:30 hours long. The problem was that the impatient idiots at Warner Bros./DC desperately wanted a DC superhero team-up movie to compete with Avengers and make $2 BILLION!!! The greedy execs refused to follow the MCU model of solo superhero origin movies first, then the epic team-up movie. They forced Snyder to introduce Batman in the sequel to MoS, introduce Lex Luthor, and make Batman and Superman fight each other... and introduce Wonder Woman... and tease the other members of the Justice League... and include Doomsday as the big evil monster the superheroes had to team-up to defeat... AND kill off Superman -- ALL in the same movie! It was too much. Greed, impatience, incompetence, hubris, and tragedy doomed the DCEU. Admittedly, there were a few good DCEU movies (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, The Suicide Squad, even Shazam), but the majority of the films were terrible -- or polarizing. I certainly hope that Cassie and Carly don't intend to watch all of the DCEU movies. The next one is "Suicide Squad (2016)," which I sincerely hope they skip, because it's AWFUL. PLEASE watch "Wonder Woman (2017)" next; it's great (not perfect... but great overall).

Clay F

In the words of The Joker in a better Batman movie: "Why so serious?" My top 5 Batman movies: -The Dark Knight trilogy -The Batman (2022) -Batman (1966) I suggest Wonder Woman (2017) and Superman (2025). I think the only Zack Snyder movie I liked ok is 300. At least Snyder is not a douche like Michael Bay.

Clay F

Agree but include Wonder Woman (2017)

OddThomas

Wonder Woman is a good watch. I actually didn't mind the sequel but it's not as good as the first (and they lazily re-used an iconic bit of score from another, better, movie, which really rankled me)

Clay F

A post I made 3 weeks ago in the comments of the Sin City reaction: Batman v Superman? If you want additional dark/grittiness, go with “Batman v Superman” (2016) [RT 28%] [PR No. 683] inspired by tone and grit of Frank Miller comics ... Overly dark, somber, depressing, w/violent tone and convoluted plot. Much more in those respects than Man of Steel. You indicated in Man of Steel outro, you missed lighter part of Superman/Clark Kent ("goofy, nerdy"). Throw that out the window with Batman v Superman. You also said in Man of Steel outro: “I could have done with one less fight scene.” Forget that sentiment with Batman v Superman.

McShades

I enjoyed Snyder's DC movies. They were entertaining... A bit on the darker side... If you get a chance you should check out Gunn's Superman that just came out, it's more lighter and has a bit more of a comic vibe to it and humor... If your a fan of Guardians of the Galaxy then odds are you will like his take on Superman also... I enjoyed it a lot.

Doug Fisher

The whole trilogy Clay?! Because "The Dark Night Rises" is not a good movie. "The Batman" is just meh. Actually Snyder is a complete douche canoe. He went on a Streaming Show, that was raising funds for a suicide prevention charity (you know the thing that his daughter had just succumbed to), and moments after joining the stream denounced any association with the Channel and left shortly after. He basically cut the donations in at least half of what they would have generated. He is so full of himself it isn't even funny. Nah, he is a douche and I would take Bay over him any day of the week.

Mike Lemon

"Kind of weird saying this as grown adult, but the best version ... the Animated Series" Why is that weird?

Uncle Phoenix

Idk. For me it’s a sibling thing. My own sister cracks her knuckles and my brother cracks his elbow joint. It’s like hearing a deep sigh.

Doug Fisher

🎯 Though, D.C. has been shooting itself in the foot for a while now Dean. "Superman 2025" is at the very best meh and once again they made a team-up movie when it should have been a stand alone movie; especially since Superman is not very Superman like and a guest in his own movie. It is not a bad Mr. Terrific movie though.

Clay F

I am no big defender of Snyder, but I know that Michael Bay has directed many shit movies. As for Dark Knight Rises (2012), I agree with this review data: IMDb 8.4 (avg rating 1,200,000 users) RT 87%, RT Audience 90% (250,000 ratings)

Doug Fisher

I am with you Shawn, though ZSJL is bloated (not surprising coming from ZS) it is better than the JL Theatrical.. I am going to have to disagree with you Philip on wanting a reaction to "Superman 2025" as it is not a good movie.

Doug Fisher

Why is it weird Shawn?! Animation is a fantastic medium for story telling, basically comic books come to life. Being an "adult" should not detract from enjoying good story telling and the two you mention were fantastic runs by Bruce Timm.

Doug Fisher

"Superman 2025" isn't a good movie though. A decent Mr. Terrific movie but not a good Superman movie.

Brent bmc_comix

Sorry but that is straight up not true, Superman was amazing!!! :)

Doug Fisher

You are correct Treker as Doomsday was originally called "The Ultimate" and was Burtron's torturous genetic experiment in prehistoric Krypton.

Doug Fisher

Though ZSJL is the better movie... it is a bloated 4 hours, that might be a tough go for the girls.

Lock_Down

Agree. 😕 either way at some point they have to watch that too.

Doug Fisher

Well Jay that is because in part Snyder is not really a good film maker and the other part is Snyder is to slow motion what Abrams is to lens flares. The reason "300" and "Watchmen" were so good is the graphic novels for both were basically storyboards that he followed; OK, more like copied frame for frame.

Doug Fisher

Jason... is this your list of order to watch or your list in terms of quality of film?! It seems more like your list of quality of film because for me 9.5 out of the last 11 mentioned I would definitely NOT recommend watching as those 9.5 are terrible.

Stephen Dias

It's my understanding that many of the story lines in this movie (such as the dreams and the appearance of the Flash) were taken from the comics; I've never read them, but should at some point. Zach Snyder was setting up future movies, which we'll likely never see. Ben Affleck's Batman was also taken from Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns, " an older, more jaded Batman. We were all with Cassie when she said things like "Boys, can't you just talk this out?" It's hard to watch two of your heroes fighting each other. I'd like to see a reaction to the Justice League movie, preferably the Snyder Cut. I did actually see Joss Whedon's version in the theater. It's fine, but the Snyder Cut is more complete. Yes, it's longer, but cut into five parts, which makes it easier to stop watching and come back later.

Doug Fisher

Bob (and Bill), I just wish there was a JL that was somewhere in between since ZSJL, even as the better film of the two, is still a bloated mess.

Doug Fisher

I agree bill... and that Black Comic Bag that it came in as well as the cover I will never forget. So well done.

Doug Fisher

Sorry guys, but Carly has already done re-watches before. Off the top of my head I know she re-watched "Top Gun: Maverick".

OddThomas

Riiiight. Bye now.

Doug Fisher

It wouldn't be on my list for reactions Brian. Luke & Cole, I am glad we won't be getting Peacemaker.

Doug Fisher

It is also most likely a nervous habit Nick which is next to impossible to control. So, your request is a little unrealistic.

Clay F

+1 for Wonder Woman (2017)

Nick Ireland

I get that, but if someone was tapping a pen out of nervousness while I was watching a movie I would also politely ask if they could stop. Each to their own. I find it irritating/ distracting but it's really not that deep.

Doug Fisher

Sorry Jason but the destruction was nowhere near on the same level and Superman in "Superman: The Movie" left as soon as he saw how much danger the people were in to draw Zod away from the population. He was also saving civilians during the fight. Superman didn't kill anyone in "Superman II" at most it is ambiguous. EDIT: LOL... right after posting I see Stick pretty much covered everything.

Doug Fisher

Carly has re-watched before. "Top Gun: Maverick" was a re-watch for her.

Walter

This is a well made movie, just not the take on these characters I personally enjoy. Some people are all about the dark Superman story, like what Snyder was setting up. It misses the point of Superman for me, but to each their own, I guess. The whole conflict in this wouldn’t have happened if Batman or Superman were portrayed with an ounce of common sense and made any actual attempt to speak to each other. But big boom action spectacle and one kick ass murderous Batman fight scene.

Walter

+1 for Wonder Woman - great film that you’d like. Big +1 for the new Superman - this version of the character is much more what I like and it’s the best Lex we’ve ever gotten.

Doug Fisher

It was a typical Eisenberg performance. He basically plays Jesse Eisenberg in every role he has.

Doug Fisher

You are such a douche canoe!! Why on earth would you include that spoiler?! Well, you are correct when you say, "I don't think" or at least you do not think of others.

Cole Jennett

The 3 movies in the Nolan trilogy are quite easily the best 3 Batman movies imo

Shehab Dawoud

That’s not a spoiler, you simpleton. Also, I doubt they’d watch Justice League if Henry Cavill is not in it. Don’t ever step to me again. Watch your mouth.

Cole Jennett

Makes no sense not to do Wonder Woman first as it was released first.

Cole Jennett

Yes, I’ve always said that about Snyder’s version of the Justice League! This one too.

Cole Jennett

It is annoying resyncing, but for how few of the movies Cassie does that I have access to on there, it’s fine.

Above Average Dave

I really liked this movie. A grounded version of the two, and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor after playing Mark Zukerberg is a slam dunk. Plus, Gal Gadot is perfect as Wonder Woman.

Clay F

Movie = some good visuals. Feelings of characters expressed well and believable. Gal Gadot looked good in that dress and Wonder Woman “very hot outfit.” +1 for Holly Hunter. +1 for Jeremy Irons. I thought Jesse Eisenberg did well – can’t blame him for script. Ben Affleck good actor but I not a big fan of Affleck Batman. The “bulky” Batman w/the Robocop-like uniform. The jumping-to-conclusions in the movie seem simple-minded but I guess that not uncommon in movies/shows. I surprised y’all said you “loved” movie, which didn’t seem to match your reaction, but I am not the most perceptive. You two made a valiant effort to make sense out of the nonsense. Carly: “I don’t totally understand the sequence of events.” Also, you troubled by the meat-headed, brutal throwdown between Batman and Superman: Cassie: “I don’t like it.” Cassie: “I don’t like this.” Carly: “Me too.” Not a fun superhero movie, which is fine. The movie like a bad dream, which is fine. Humorless, which is fine. Somewhat baffling. A joyless slog. The fighting = monotonous and boring to me, though for some reason, I like Doomsday fight scene, but not Superman being killed (?). I'm glad I watched movie to learn about it. Plus, liked reaction. Cassie quips. Carly pointing out stuff. Both expressive.

Mad World

Is it bad that im only waiting for Game of Thrones :D

Walter

So my wife loves Superman and does not like Batman. She wanted to see this but was also hesitant. Walking in to the theater, she said I hope they don’t kill Superman. I assured her there was no way they would kill Superman. 9 years later and she still brings it up…”yeah, but you also told me they wouldn’t kill Superman…”

Bill Maurer

I believe I have few of them stashed away somewhere …

Joe J

I really miss the "General Chat". It's just a chore now to locate previous posts & replies, even from just 1-2 days ago. Patreon navigation is terrible anyway with no search capabilities for our posts, so that doesn't help.

Steve Holton

Carly mentions that Henry Cavil went to Times Square in NYC to see if anyone would recognize him as Superman. Here is that story: https://youtu.be/Cvj0X-d2mO0?si=ZjApyAB6LT4vXBOV There is also an amusing story about Henry Cavil's nephew getting in trouble at his school's career day by claiming his uncle was Superman: https://youtu.be/7N_eeUlmIoc?si=JzZ1k1bSKDajRZbz And, of course, there was that time Henry Cavil pranked Will Smith at a convention: https://youtu.be/T4U9rhw6zgE?si=o1KXZKaoHte8-kXb

Just Plain Bob

Eric, I agree. It catches a lot of heat but I love it. I like the ending better than the comic’s ending.

John Sullivan

To be fair, he only stayed "dead" for a milli-Galdalf

Walter

yeah, that 's what I say!

Johnny Bullis

Hey ladies.. to put this into context.. the 3 Superman movies.. Man of Steel.. Batman V Superman and Justice League are a trilogy.. this was just the typical middle chapter with a cliffhanger ending.. now you have to watch Justice League to understand the full story. I recommend watching the Snyder Cut of Justice League as it will make more sense. It is a very long movie.. but its worth it. And you might wanna watch Wonder Woman before JL though.. just a suggestion.

Cole Jennett

Well clearly that’s a spoiler John🤷‍♂️

Chris Thom

That's the whole superhero genre though. The bits in this with the politics, and congressional committees, and fear and envy surrounding Superman were some of the most realistic things in a superhero movie ever. Many people would probably be terrified if Superman showed up and brought all these villains with him (his fault or not).

Chris Thom

Superhero movies are like fantasy in that they always require quite a bit of suspension of disbelief, so I'm fine letting some logic slide. They made a noble effort with the timeline and motivations, so for me, for this kind of movie, it was enough. I think we forget how hokey these movies could be in the past. They've improved SO much.

Chris Thom

It was a lot for one movie, for sure. But at least we got to see some things in a live action DC movie we hadn't seen before. Noble effort.

Chris Thom

There's a sweet photo of him and Affleck together at a convention or something.

Chris Thom

Was hoping Snyder would get to do one more Justice League movie at least.

BibbitduBois

I had never actually seen the Ultimate Edition before. It really is much better story wise. I am SO looking forward to Justice League now (Zach Snyder version)!

Just Plain Bob

Doug, that gets glossed over by many or weak excuses are made. But I fail to see how it’s any different than a woman being roofied in a bar and sexually assaulted. The victim had no choice in the matter. It was an odd choice to make for a super hero. And, for anyone that disagrees, imagine if Superman had sex with a woman without her consent while she was possessed by Lois Lane. People would rightfully be upset.

Rod Reavern

If you're referring to the Batman vs. Superman fight, or the Doomsday fight, audiences hadn't seen those before in live-action, but we saw those years earlier in animation -- and a few decades earlier in the comics. The Batman vs. Superman fight in "The Dark Knight Returns Part 2" animated film was released in 2013, and it's much better. Both characters' motivations for fighting are more compelling, and the fight itself is more epic and inventive. The original comic, published in 1986, established that given enough prep time, Batman could defeat Superman, which has been carried on in all media ever since. The Doomsday fight was just a mess. The movie version of Doomsday was HORRIBLE -- looking like a cave troll from LOTR, and was birthed similar to the Uruk-hai. The way it mutated and grew during the fight, and emitted destructive shockwaves was completely unnecessary. I understand Doomsday's new powers were contrivances to justify why THE MILITARY attacking Doomsday was futile, because their weapons only the monster stronger, thereby justifying the superheroes fighting it instead. However, the rapid response time of the military was implausible, especially detonating a nuke above one the largest cities in the country. The whole last hour of BvS felt like Zack Snyder was desperately trying to one-up "Avengers" by throwing everything he could think of up on screen, and it was an absolute mess.

Clay F

I feel your sentiment, man.

Rick Williams

Great Reaction Cassie & Carly. Good Movie. Over 30 years ago in the Superman comic book the creature Doomsday did kill Superman. It shocked everyone that they actually killed Superman. It was a hell of a story. They changed the story somewhat for this movie, but it was amazing to see the epic battle to the death between Doomsday and Superman finally shown in a movie.

Chris B.

Glad Cassie and Carly liked it, and I think their reaction is a testament to why the Ultimate Edition really is so much better of a movie and should be how BvS is ultimately judged. While it does add half an hour to a movie that is already a bit long and grim in tone, those extra 30 minutes bring important connective tissue which ends up making the different plotlines throughout better connect with one another, and makes the entire story overall have a better flow from start to finish. Regarding the somber ending: think of Batman V Superman as the "Empire Strikes Back" in this series, and Zack Snyder's Justice League is the more triumphant-style "Return of the Jedi" that closes things out on a high note.

Jayson Phillips

YEESSS!!! Justice League, Wonder Woman, Shazam, and The Flash are all worth the watch, I liked Aquaman but people hate it because of Amber Turd is in it.

Jayson Phillips

In the comics Superman was killed by Doomsday. This version of Batman was supposed to be from the graphic novel where he was in is 50's or 60s and had retired but a new gang took over Gotham and he came out of retirement and got a female Robin and started killing criminals, so Superman was hired by the government to bring him in, so they fought but in the comic Superman killed Batman and in the End after they buried him Clark hears a heartbeat coming from the casket.

Clay F

A dictionary definition of "pretentious": "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed."

Chris B.

Note on the two versions of Justice League (Snyder Cut vs Theatrical): towards the end of production for Justice League, Zack Snyder had a horrible and tragic death in his immediate family, and left the production before being able to put his finishing touches on the film. The studio execs saw Zack's departure as an opportunity for them to bring in a new director (Joss Whedon) and try to mimic the success Marvel was having with the MCU by using the same actors but making an almost entirely brand new "Justice League" than what was already written and filmed. This backfired, as a lot of the production crew and actors were very loyal to Zack and supportive of him, so their distaste for what the studio pulled comes through pretty clearly in the theatrical cut, with mismatching moments in scenes frequently through the entire movie. It's not a good watch and should be avoided. Thankfully, a couple years later Zack was given an opportunity to finish what he, the actors and production crew had originally shot and intended for release in theaters, and this is why so many of us are vocal about the Snyder Cut of Justice League being the only way to watch that movie despite its 4hr runtime; it was always supposed to be the theatrical version when Zack was in charge of making the movie. In fact, Zack frequently likened it to his DC version of Seven Samurai (which Cassie might recall also being quite a long but rewarding watch).

Chris B.

Clark always knew Bruce was good with chemistry...

Vak

While steering clear of spoilers or even the tone, I'll say that pacing-wise, Gunn gives the story time to breathe when we as the audience need to catch our breath. It's not plot-point piled atop plot-point ad infinitum; when needed, he lets the big things sink in, or throws in the occasional lighter moment.

Clay F

Looks like we may get WONDER WOMAN (2017) reaction. Cassie has been considering Wonder Woman (2017) but now seems more certain after Carly promoting it and Cassie seeing Wonder Woman in action in BvS. Even more piqued her interest. In that photo, Chris Pine caught her eye. I like how Carly careful to avoid spoilers. My personal ranking (how entertaining to me) of superhero movies I’ve watched: 1. The Dark Knight trilogy. 9/10 2. The Batman (2022). 8/10 3. Wonder Woman (2017). 8/10 4. Superman (1978). 7/10 5. Batman (1966). 7/10 6. Superman Returns. 6/10 7. Man of Steel. 6/10 8. Superman 2 (1980). 4/10. 9. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993). 4/10 10. BvS (2016) (Ultimate Edition). 3/10 11. Batman Returns (1992). 3/10 12. Batman (1989). 2/10

Vak

But...can we get THE Suicide Squad at some point? It looks like Peacemaker may be a part of the DCU moving forward, so we could hang our hats on that for an official reason. But unofficially, I just kind of want to see Cassie react to King Shark and Polka-Dot Man. As well as the first 15 minutes in general. And the almost Monty Python-esque, um, "jungle incursion" a bit later that could have gone somewhat smoother.

Richard Maurer

Never saw the Ultimate edition before so I decided to watch the full reaction. This movie is okay. Not good, not bad, just mid. Like most of the DCEU movies.

Richard Maurer

Yeah, that’s probably the most annoying thing about it being removed, having to jump around to find stuff. I’ve been putting “general” information comments in the Upcoming posts, and otherwise trying to stick to the topic as much as possible with all the rest of the posts. But that doesn’t always work out.

Canadianant

I had never watched this before and it's a bit of a mess story wise. I liked Affleck as Batman and really wish he had been given a solo batman movie. Zack always has great visuals but there is so much in here that it's tough to keep track of motivations at times. The whole Martha thing is pretty weak as a turning point. Most importantly I just found it hard to care about any of these characters. I didn't feel I had anyone to root for. I'm glad I watched it to check it off the list but it was hard to focus at times.

Richard Maurer

Only to the ten people here who haven’t seen LotR ;-)

Richard Maurer

Yeah, at this point you’d think people would have gotten past the whole “ animation/comics are for children” thing. Hasn’t been that way for a long time now in the US, never was that way in the most of the rest of the world.

Stan the Man

“True Superman Fans”. Cassie, don’t listen to anyone who puts limits on what a character can or can’t be. Superman is a comic book character. Which means he’s adaptable to whoever is writing his story. Just like you can have a campy unserious Batman from the 1960s. This Superman has been taught to hide who he is. So much of what he does is reactive. There are many many, many stories of Superman fighting bad guys in cities. And Zod used that to his advantage in MOS.

Thamor

Nice movie, 2nd time watching this with you girls. Was better 2nd time too appreciate more now than when first seen it. Will still try to recommend for you try reacting to anime movie "Your Name". Both of you would love that story.

Richard Maurer

Luthor leaving her made sense - in a cold-blooded sort of way. If both of them left to escape the blast it would have been too obvious and would have put suspicion on Luthor. So he basically sacrificed a pawn to protect himself.

Stan the Man

Beyond Batman Begins, I thought Nolan’s Batman movies wasted their potential. The Dark Knight is maybe the most overrated movie to ever exist. The Joker and Heath Ledger were so good it fooled people into thinking this movie was any good. It has great moments, great scenes. But it’s built on a foundation of sand. The plot holes, the contrivances, the leaps in logic. And Nolan is a TERRIBLE action director. The opening parking garage sequence is one of the most awkwardly edited, blocked and shot sequences to a successful film I’ve ever seen. Same with the big chase. The geography of who is where in relation to what is awful. That said? Best Batman movie? Mask of the Phantasm. Hands down. The worst Batman movie? The Dark Knight Rises. It should be illegal to even call it a Batman movie. Has bare,y any Batman in it. It’s more of a Bane film than Batman. And again the villain steals the show. Nolan just isn’t the type of fi I do love Affleck’s Batman costume.

Richard Maurer

You, and a lot of other people, Bill ;-)

Mike Lemon

Flintstones- two middle aged families daily life; Jetsons- middle aged guy dealing with his job at a sprocket maker; Looney Tunes/Merry Melodies- how many kids like jazz?; X-men- a seemingly major team member dies in the first or second episode; Silver Surfer- man sacrifices his life to save his love; Batman TAS- Heart of Ice, need I say more. How could anybody think animation is only for children? (rhetorical)

Richard Maurer

Ironically, the first comic version of Batman carried guns and killed villains. So any film version of Batman that kills is canonically accurate to the original comics.

Richard Maurer

That scene and Man of Steel’s Tornado death scene are two of the worst scenes in the DCEU movies.

Bill Maurer

Agree. Luthor always knew he could never beat Superman or Batman in a straight fight. He would do or use whomever he can to gain an edge over either of them. Nice last name

Richard Maurer

That’s a lot of movies, several of them are not very good. Personally I’d cut it down to Justice League, Wonder Woman, the two Suicide Squads and the first Shazam movie , and even that’s pushing it.

Walter

“This Superman hasn’t been taught to hide who he is” - I thought that’s pretty much all he’s been taught…

Clay F

Stan, you are in the minority. The US mainstream doesn't even know of the cartoon Mask of the Phantasm. Such a tiny fan base. In stark contrast to the massive fan base of the Nolan trilogy and in which the Nolan trilogy is so highly respected and revered. By the way Kevin Conroy can't be the best Batman b/c takes more than a voice to be the best Batman. Batman Begins (2005). IMDb 8.2 (1,700,000 users avg rating) RT 85%, RT Audience 94% (250,000+ ratings) The Dark Knight (2008). IMDb 9.1 (3,100,000 users) RT 94%, RT Audience 94% (250,000+ ratings) The Dark Knight Rises (2012). IMDb 8.4 (1,900,000 users) RT 87%, RT Audience 90% (250,000+ ratings) Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993). IMDb 7.9 (61,000 users) RT 83%, RT Audience 88% (5,000+ ratings)

Mojo One Thousand

I agree with your point about the suspension of disbelief, which isn't exclusive to those genres of movies. I have no problem with doing that, particularly on the first viewing. But it is the logical errors and technical choices that stand out in subsequent viewings. No films are immune to it, but it's the volume of things in this that works against it. They take you out of the movie. This is a bit esoteric, but there are editing choices in "Avengers: Infinity War" and "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" that have always taken me out of those movies. There is one that stood out in this film for me, which I don't think is the in theatrical version. The way this is cut, it makes it seem "Lois" has been standing with a handful of dirt at "Clark's" grave for days, as it cuts that scene with others containing scenes with folks that were at that service, i.e. "Bruce Wayne", but "Batman" is then interrogating "Lex" in his cell. The charitable viewing would be that these events happened prior to the service, but the editing makes it feel concurrent to maintain the final shot of the soil on the casket. I do agree that these genres of movies have improved significantly over time, which is a function of the creative folks being fans since childhood and having a better understanding of the source material. Unfortunately, it still suffers from the studio system, where quantity can overrule quality, as is seen in the 5th phase of the MCU, where Disney was pushing content for their newly minted streaming platform.

Doug Fisher

At least Bay knows what he is and gives the people what they want and expect from him. Nolan is just a bad/hack director. Why am I not surprised you would quote RT and IMDb Clay?! SMH THINK FOR YOURSELF DUDE!

Doug Fisher

Exactly Mike. Looney Tunes was entertaining for kids but there were sooooo many adult themes and jokes in there that went right over kids heads.

Clay F

I do think for myself and happen to agree with the majority.

Doug Fisher

It really isn't Brent and Richard. Get back to me in a couple of months as "Superman" '25 is going to age like milk. It is much the same as "The Force Awakens" as people were praising the hell out of that movie until they had a chance to really think about and realized that it was complete shyte. "Superman" '25 is better that "TFA" but not by much. Hype is a real thing that many people get caught up in. There is a reason "Superman" '25 flopped. It certainly isn't the best Superman movie. This is and I suspect will always be "Superman: The Movie".

Doug Fisher

Baaa says the sheeple. You really don't Clay. The fact that you can't see and/or acknowledge that "TDK" is a bloated, mishmash, directionless, and mess of a movie, just goes to prove it (I am not even talking about the serious amount of plot holes). That, or you suffer from serious conformation bias. "RT and IMDb says I must like movie so I like movie." (Said in a robotic voice) P.S. And liking your own comment Clay?! Lame dude.

Doug Fisher

I am not sure I agree with you on Vak, but for arguments sake let's say it is true... then Gunn could have and should have used that time for some actual character development, which was woefully lacking.

Doug Fisher

Could you vague up that retort any more there Brent?!

Doug Fisher

I agree Richard... though for me I think just "WW" and "JL" would be sufficient, maybe "Aquaman" as it is a stand alone but as you say even that is pushing it.

Richard Maurer

Looney Tunes was Pixar before Pixar existed. I remember asking my father what some of the Looney Tunes jokes meant and he would explain - some of them.

Richard Maurer

I’ve seen it twice and have watched about a dozen reactions to it and I enjoy it more every time. So it’s aging like fine wine so far.

Richard Maurer

Not a fan of Aquaman - was kind of meh for me. If I had to cut one from my list it would be Shazam (even though the sisters would probably really enjoy that one). I actually think the first Suicide Squad, while flawed, is still better than most of the other DCEU films, and Gunn’s Suicide Squad is great.

Clay F

Doug -- you are one weird dude. I did not like my own comment. The fact that you can't see and/or acknowledge that TDK is an excellent movie shows your ignorance of filmmaking and how narrow minded you are in your odd tiny world.

Chris Thom

That channel Badd Medicine just reacted to Your Name.

Chris Thom

The bit about the abusive parenting was interesting. Thought that helped flesh out the character, because his motivations in general were pretty confusing.

Cole Jennett

I like those guys. They look rough but they are a bunch of softies

Ike

Mojo, I think you nailed all points - many of us know this (I least I do) - but can not articulate it as well you did here. There are too many narrative flaws to overlook. Both Cassie and Carly said they "have some questions about motives for all of them", and I hope she understand that most of us agree and we don't know ourselves. Why does Lex want to kill Superman? Why does Lex want Superman to kill Batman? Why does he need an import license for Kryptonite if he is already importing it? What does he gain by killing the Senator? If he hates Superman (or Gods) so much, we make Doomsday? What were the special bullets for? I think you are right - some filmmakers are great cinematographers - but have very little understanding storytelling. There are many dishes one can prepare, the types are numerous, and all chefs prepare meals differently - but when the entree is burnt, it's burnt and it is no longer a matter of choice or style or location.

FranciscoGios

Cassie after you watch Wonder Woman, which I know you will after Carly gave us the big surprise that she already watched Wonder Woman; are you considering to watch Aquaman 2018? Liked the reactions and peace out ✌️.

Richard Maurer

The Batman is the best Batman movie.

Chris Thom

They get pretty emotional for certain movies. Almost as much as Cassie. The Fault in Our Stars was one that wrecked them. Finding Nemo got close. lol

Chris Thom

Tough to come in and alter things when a director has such a clear vision. Feel for Joss Whedon. That must've been awkward.

Chris Thom

I got the impression that Lex was under some kind of mind control by Steppenwolf or Darkseid. But they didn't make it clear. But making Lex a twisted and psychotic tech geek that had to be the smartest and richest person in all rooms kind of worked, imo. It's like he hated the jocks that were Superman and Batman for their natural gifts and strength, and hated the senator for putting limits on him and his business. the bit about his abusive father was interesting.

Chris Thom

She said it would never be more than 1/3 of the channel. Seems like she's going to keep that promise, but who knows. Could easily see it going up to half over time if she gets really into it.

Tyler Hale

Actually Snyder was the one who pushed for Batman to be in the sequel. I do feel the other Justice League characters were a studio mandate.

Chris Thom

I haven't seen that reaction yet. I thought they watched it together for the first time in the theater room.

Rod Reavern

Snyder admitted that he wanted to make a Batman movie before MoS2 (BvS), because the Batman character had always appealed to him more. For whatever reason, the WB/DC execs insisted he do the Superman sequel, so he proposed Batman vs. Superman to get Batman in his movie. Supposedly, Snyder filmed enough material for two movies and hoped to convince the execs during post-production to let him split it into two films, granting him his wish of making a Batman movie, which he claimed would be the foundation for BvS. However, they refused, which is why BvS was so long, and only the 3-hour Ultimate Edition was (mildly) coherent because all the different story threads were given sufficient time to develop.

Stan the Man

That was a mistype. It should have read has

Chris Thom

Thought it was an interesting choice to bring out Doomsday when Superman was still new to the world. Interesting dimension of him having to prove his loyalty to the world by sacrificing himself while earth was still unsure about him.

Stan the Man

This will be a long reply. But …whatever. I know I’m in the minority. Going by your metrics Shawshank Redemption should be like the greatest movie ever, right? But it’s not. Also this obsession with popularity isn’t good for you. twilight was popular once upon a time. Transformers. Mask of the Phantasm is beloved by people who know about it. It’s not unlike The Iron Giant. Both films bombed. And yes Kevin Conroy is the greatest Batman. You can say he can’t be the best live action Batman. But you can’t he say he can’t be the best just because he used his voice. In fact I find that makes him even more impressive. Conroy is the best Batman. Frankly I think Bale is the worst. I’d take Clooney or Kilmer above him. The voice is unintentionally funny. Not intimidating in the least. “What I DOooOoO that defines me”(that’s a crap, cringe line I might add) As for Nolan’s Batman trilogy, you are defending a film trilogy that has maybe the worst death ever put on screen for a major blockbuster. It’s so bad it should’ve disqualified Nolan for any future Oscar consideration. “Miranda Tate”. Oh man. What was he thinking? How could he let that go? And yes I realize people think the dark knight is some crime epic masterpiece. But like I said it’s built on a foundation of sand. The plot mechanics are horrendous. Batman takes the blame for Harvey Dents crimes…why? Some ridiculous notion about “Gotham losing hope”. What does a city losing hope look like? Shit if Nolan knew what he was talking about he’d know tragedies usually unite cities. Batman killing people, that doesn’t cause people to lose hope? Just Harvey? And if Gotham is like most cities, 75% of people don’t know or care who Harvey Dent is. Also Harvey’s turn to two face is soooo poorly done. It’s rushed. The Animated Series did it 1000% times better. We get, what? One scene of Harvey acting up in anger before his turn? And even then it’s a little justified. We need to see Harvey go off the wall and it’s completely unjustified because he can’t control himself. We need to see Harvey obsessed with that coin. And we need a reveal it’s a double sided coin which provides a window to his madness. Wouldn’t even take much leg room story wise. Everytime we see Harvey, every time he makes a choice, he flips his coin. It’s a compulsion. At first Rachel thinks it’s kinda cute. But then at dinner, he doesn’t know what to order, steak or fish. He reaches for the coin. It’s not there! Uh oh. He gets panicky. He starts sweating. Turning red. Where is it!?! This could be the scene with Bruce, the ballerina and Rachel. Harvey is just about to start to freak out when Rachel reveals she has the coin, as a joke she took it. Harvey grabs it like an addict who needs a fix, flips it, orders steak. The table kinda looks at him like he’s off it. See this way when the Joker puts that gun in his hand, points it at himself we’d 100% buy Harvey wouldn’t pull that trigger. The movie as it exists now? I don’t buy it. Harvey isn’t an idiot. Until he is because it’s convenient for the plot. Suddenly Harvey can be manipulated by The Joker into killing people. Again, I’d buy it if Nolan put the work in. But he doesn’t. He treats Harvey’s coin as some stupid little token. Not a psychological crutch. The movie is full of moments like this. Like…ok. Batman catches Rachel when Joker tosses her off the roof. Then the scene cuts lol. What? Why isn’t Batman going back to go after the Joker? There’s only so many ways he can get out. Batman just saved Rachel and went home? And this is the problem with Nolan’s take on Batman. Nolan wants to have his cake and eat it too. He wants us to take this as a super serious crime epic like Heat but then he retreats into plot contrivances that we are expected to hand wave because it’s a comic book movie. Like Batman finding the finger print on the bullet thing. God this annoys me. An entire like 5 minutes of screen time wasted. A finger print wouldn’t be on the bullet. It would be on…the caseing or shell. Or the DNA on the playing cards. How would they know the DNA belongs to the police commissioner, Harvey Dent and the Judge? That’s not how dna evidence works. It doesn’t magically tell you who a sample belongs to. To have to check DNA samples against another to get a match. Anyways, on and on I could go with these contrivances. I will say there are some good to great scenes. The Joker and Batman’s interrogation scene is an all timer. Riveting stuff. Same with the Bane V Batman fight. Great suspense. But on the whole? The movies are a mess.

Chris B.

Same. Joss was already in a difficult position due to the circumstances surrounding Snyder's exit, with the speculation that Zack was still willing to finish the movie after taking some time away to grieve but was prevented coming back because Warner Brothers was already wanting to change directions for Justice League due to critical division on Batman V Superman, and saw that family death as an opportunity to force matters and push him out. Then you have the short time for Joss to essentially reshoot a brand new movie, add in one of the leads contractual hair obligations to another movie they were shooting at the time, and the Whedon version of Justice League was doomed from the get-go no matter how badly Joss wanted to make it work.

Stan the Man

The Batman was very good. But it looses points for trying to be a David Fincher film. Plus I’m tired of these super grounded takes on Batman where everything has to be “real”. That’s why I loved that Snyder leaned into the Supernatural and insanity a bit. Give me a Gotham city that doesn’t just look like Chicago or London. Go big and crazy. Take a risk.

Clay F

Shawshank Redemption is my No. 3 favorite movie all time: 1. GF 2. GF2 3. Shawshank Redemption 4. Pulp Fiction Stan -- I respect you in having an opinion but you do agree that the Nolan trilogy (w/Bale as Batman) is the most popular and critically-acclaimed of Batman movies. The Batman (2022) is a strong 2nd for me.

Chris Thom

Sounds like a no-win situation for Joss. Interesting that they were already looking to dump Snyder. I didn't know that. For WB's big 100th anniversary they played up his contributions quite a bit. In the doc they put out there were a ton of clips from his DCU movies. I get the sense that the studio isn't sure what it wants.

Chris Thom

Which scene is this referring to? Haven't seen WW in a while.

Mad World

Thats just fine.. im just totally invested when the Game of Thrones shows up.. its magical, love the atmosphere and music in that series!

Chris Thom

Damn that's bold to film a whole movie without the studio's knowledge or green light. Lol. Pretty sneaky.

Chris Thom

That's been near the top of my list for possible rewatches. That was a good sign. Also Forrest Gump. And maybe Titanic because why not it's popular.

Gray

I struggled with the 2nd half of Man of Steel, so with all this talk I'll wait for the YT edit. 3hrs for a mid movie doesn't really appeal to me.

Richard Maurer

Luthor is a genius. Like Wile E. Coyote.

Richard Maurer

Good idea, Gray. Wish I had done that.

Ignis Rændl

hey, has Cassie and Carly seen the Nolan/Bale Batman Trilogy?? they don't seem familiar with Batman lore🤔

Joe J

Gray - You have to see the movie and make up your own mind.

Steve Holton

Hi Ignis. Yes, both Cassie and Carly have seen the Nolan Batman Trilogy before the channel. But, you are correct, Cassie has stated she does not remember much about the films.

Joe J

Casse's more a Star Trek nerd, lol.

Cole Jennett

I loved their reaction to The Perks of being a Wallflower

Just Plain Bob

It doesn’t help that no updates are provided. Impossible to know if the new version is coming in a week, a month, a year or never. Even just “halfway there, guys” would be something.

Just Plain Bob

It’s in the sequel, WW 1984. Wonder Woman rapes a guy. But it’s ok…just because.

Just Plain Bob

Richard, I was happily shocked by how good The Batman was. Like many, I was prejudiced against Pattinson because of that TERRIBLE glittery vampire nonsense he was in. One thing I’d change, though, is to shave 15 minutes off the end. I felt it dragged a bit at that point.

Richard Maurer

Joe - If Gray was going to review the film I’d agree. But if he doesn’t like what he’s seen so far and doesn’t want to watch it, why should he?

Mike Lemon

It's been about 50 days, don't expect much. Like I said in the Thrones ep. 5-6 Full comments - "Until I am proven otherwise, and I really hope I am ... ... But the lack updates/progress on the "solution", the time since it was locked, and the timing and way it was done leads me to hear the message, "go make sexy time with yourself". "

Gray

Yeah, in fairness, I'm not the biggest superhero movie fan. I was only contemplating this because there was a reaction to it and no doubt they will watch future movies from DC, so I'll catch the edit.

Joe J

Richard - Anyone can watch want they want...I've no dog in this hunt. My point is we should all make up our own minds and not go by other's reviews. Art is subjective.

Richard Maurer

True, art is subjective, but you can’t watch everything. Sometimes you have to make a judgment call based on what you’ve seen so far, your interests, etc.

Joe J

Given the delay, I don't think any "solution" will be forthcoming. It is what it is.

Rod Reavern

Snyder basically did the same thing with Justice League, hence the 4-hour Snyder Cut.

Clay F

+1 for Titanic if Carly hasn’t seen it.

Clay F

Bob - ditto. I like the aesthetics.

Clarence Newman

Guys. You know I'm with you on this one. I just don't have any more filibusters left in me.

Chris Thom

She definitely remembers that Batman was in them.

Clarence Newman

There's only one superhero worth a damn.

Richard Maurer

If his initials are CC you’re the only one who cares.

Mike Lemon

@Clarence- Don't be a quitter, we all know you have many more filibusters left.

Mark White

Clarence, with all the troubles in the world right now, we need Captain Chaos more than ever!

Just Plain Bob

Clarence, I’m with you. I started to write something several times before I finally did so. It’s hard to know the balance between letting Cassie and her team know we’re unhappy with the way it’s being handled (or not) while not being overly negative and (as a result) them simply tuning us out. We’re all thankful for the channel and the opportunity it provides to see these films thru fresh eyes. I think we’re also all grateful for the opportunity to discuss films with fellow cinephiles. But it’s bothersome that one of our favorite forums for doing so was taken away without warning and that progress on its successor is being held so close to the chest.

Richard Maurer

Mark - with all the troubles in the world right now why add one more?

Mike Lemon

>with fellow cinephiles. "Do you want a fist in the mouth? I've never even looked at another guy before." - name that movie

Clay F

I think a rare rewatch is fine. I would vote for her to rewatch the Nolan trilogy she doesn't really remember.

Matthew Gibson

Starts with a funeral, ends with a funeral. The Ultimate Cut is about 30-40 minutes longer. The Theatrical Cut trimmed the side stories a lot and it wasn't as clear that Lex Luthor was the one pulling the strings behind everything. Carly's instincts are really spot on - she followed the story well. Even the part where he keeps Martha (Kent) from getting burned; which is the only part I think was slightly askew (blocking wise). The Russian Bad guy is KGBeast in the comics so theoretically he could come back after getting burned. Definitely watch the Zach Snyder Cut of Justice League. It's 4 hours but is so much better than the Theatrical Version. Also a lot of the side stuff here (Parademons etc.) are explained in Justice League (and it's planned sequels - which unfortunately we will never get). Man of Steel, Batman Vs. Superman (Ultimate Cut) and Zach Snyder's Justice League are an awesome trilogy! Thanks for watching, always enjoy ya'll's reactions.

Knight Squirrel

What a twist! Carly has seen a movie that Cassie hasn't! LOL. Can't wait for their reaction to Wonder Woman.

Ignis Rændl

👍 i thought Cassie had, but then she reacts like Batman lore is new. typical Cassie. probably only remembers Batman's romantic connections. 🤭

Chris Thom

Yeah it feels backward. Was almost one hundred percent sure Cassie had already seen it, but it was actually Carly that mentioned it years ago.

Chris Thom

Oh I never saw that reaction. Yeah I bet that was good. Weirdly it's often movies like that where they really shine. Their Severance series reaction was one of my personal favorites.

Clarence Newman

Can’t do it, Mike. My fillies are all bustered.

fastecp1

It's not my favorite; it was a little long. No, that's not the problem; I don't mind long movies. It just felt like it was all over the place, and seeing Batman go through walls that would have killed him many times over. I was never crazy about movies like Freddy vs. Jason, Alien vs. Predator, and Godzilla vs. Kong. Why can't we all just get along? 🤷

First Name Ella

I really don't think Cassie needs to watch any of the other Snyderverse films, especially since they're critically panned for the most part, and the entire franchise is currently being rebooted by someone who knows how to have fun. It's like Snyder saw The Dark Knight Trilogy and learned all the wrong lessons from it. Superman is not supposed to be grimdark cynical, and Superman himself is... awful and often evil in these films. It's why the new Superman is doing so well- because it's a Superman that is kind, and loving and hard-working toward the good of society- like he should be. Superman should give people hope when they watch it.

Knight Squirrel

Given their reaction to this, it looks like we might get a DCU binge in the future! I hope that's true and if it is, I think they'd really enjoy Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021). The story and character development is far beyond Whedon's Justice League. (2017) IMHO

Stick Figure Studios

@Chris: An interesting decision, but not necessarily a wise one. Has someone aptly put it, they tried to incorporate THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and the DOOMSDAY storylines into the film without really earning either one.

Stick Figure Studios

@Dean: I really liked the new SUPERMAN. I think it might just be the best Superman movie since the 1978 original (due in no small part to the fact that I think James Gunn just gets the character better than Snyder and company did).

Stan the Man

How does anyone watch Mask of the Phantasm and give it a 4/10? You watched Superman Returns and thought “that’s a better movie”. Literally one of the GOAT Batman flicks.

Stan the Man

Snyder’s Justice League got great reviews. It would be disappointing if she didn’t watch it. Whether or not the films are being rebooted shouldn’t be the reason to watch or not watch. And not that it’s a competition but Man of Steel, released in 2013, has been more successful than the latest Superman. I also think anyone who says this is a “grimdark” Superman has only experienced Superman on film. While I get this Superman isn’t for everyone, the conceit of the story(and this was how Chris Nolan chose to approach the material as a co writer and producer of the films) is: What if Superman were REAL. Not an idealized version, not some happy go lucky cornball. That’s been done. This Superman IS about Hope. Humanity. The flaws, the beauty, the good. Superman the conceit here is that YOU know and love, the Boy Scout, that’s where this is leading to. It’s showing us how Superman gets to that place. Now maybe that story isn’t for you. That’s fine. But I don’t think putting a character in a box and saying “It can only be this” or “it has to be this” is a good idea. It’s like, we’ve had campy Batman, super dark Batman, nipples Batman. But somehow Superman can only be that one thing? Now these films aren’t perfect, far from it. But I find a story more interesting of the Superman who tries, makes mistakes, is human about being Superman. Superman is learning how to be Superman.

Clay F

Stan -- you ask a good question. I have a bias against cartoons. I can't really enjoy them. The fact that I gave it a 4/10 shows that I thought a good cartoon -- much I liked. Typically, I would give a superhero cartoon a 1/10 or 2/10.

Richard Maurer

Red Revern - agree with most of what you said, except about Suicide Squad. While it’s definitely flawed and suffers in comparison to Gunn’s The Suicide Squad, it’s still better than most of the other DCEU films, which admittedly isn’t saying much. I think the film’s main issue is that it’s saddled with the unfortunate casting choice of Jared Leto as the Joker.

John Sullivan

Everyone and their sister already saw it

Rod Reavern

No, the primary problem with “Suicide Squad (2016)” was that the writer-director David Ayre was only given 6 weeks to write the script before production began, which was evident by how terrible the plot was, why the characters were unlikable, and why the dialogue was flat. Neither The Joker nor Harley Quinn were funny, which was unforgivable! I don’t want to spoil the plot in the event that Cassie and Carly do watch it, but the initial objective of the Suicide Squad and the “surprise twist” at the midpoint made no sense. If you’re going to have The Joker in the movie, it’s stupid and pointless to not make him the main antagonist. The revelation should’ve been that Harley Quinn’s squad was the SECOND Suicide Squad. It should’ve been revealed that Amanda Waller forced The Joker to be on her first squad, but he figured out how to disable her control device using electroshocks and betrayed her. Waller hastily assembled the second squad, including Harley Quinn for her unique insight into The Joker, which is the perfect explanation why she was there — there’s no other reason why Waller would want a “wild card” on her team. Sure, it would’ve been stupid for Waller to choose The Joker for the Suicide Squad, but it’s an insane idea to start with, so why not include him? The actors did the best they could do with the script they were given, but the rushed script doomed the movie.

Dean Holt

Finally got around to watching this yesterday, fantastic reaction as always, I really liked it when Cassie said wow it’s really dark 😂😂. Glad you also said when Batman went to save Superman’s mother and he said “I’m a friend of your sons” you said well he was fighting him like 5 minutes ago. I thought exactly the same when I saw it originally. I also hated the reason they stop was because their mothers had the same name 🤦🏻‍♂️. It it feels like one of those stupid moments, like how Han Solo got his last name, just felt a bit dumb. But it’s been a while since I’ve watched this and I honestly really enjoyed it, I agree you definitely need to see Wonder Woman (you don’t need to see the sequel)also I know I said this in a previous post but it’s a really shame Affleck didn’t get his own solo film as I’d forgotten just how bad a$$ he looks in the suit. But regarding the others I’d also recommend Aquaman, Shazam & Birds of Prey The Harley Quinn movie as all 3 are a lot of fun. I also really enjoyed The Flash, but most of that could have been me fanboying out see a person back in the suit.

Dean Holt

Love all those movies lol.

Richard Maurer

Most people seem to overrate how bad, or how good, the Snyderverse films were. In reality I think most of them were mid-level, with a few that were good, and a few others that were bad. They desperately wanted to be the new MCU but failed, never reaching that level of entertainment or cohesion.

Richard Maurer

Bob - it could have used a little tightening up (15 minutes would be too much imo, maybe 5 min) but overall it was really engaging. I like it more than Nolan trilogy, blasphemy, I know ;-). But then I think Nolan’s a bit overrated in general (more blasphemy!).

Richard Maurer

Can’t really argue with most of what you said yet I still find this film way more enjoyable than most of the other DCEU films. - again, that’s faint praise. I will disagree about Harley Quinn though, she was one of the more enjoyable parts of the film. I even found Will Smith to be tolerable, whereas I usually find him annoying in films.

Chris Thom

Oh man Freddy vs. Jason. Forgot about that one. That had that non-Beyonce member of Destiny's Child in it.

Chris Thom

I've never been that into extended editions. But with Snyder movies they do so much to flesh out the story in a big way. Glad the studio allowed both to be released.

Tyler Hale

That’s kind of the thing with Zack most of his movies fall victim to studio interference and get cut to the detriment of the story and film. Sucker Punch was supposedly longer and more R rated but they gave us a watered down version which definitely has issues. I think if the original BvS was released it would be on par with Man of Steel or just above it.

Mojo One Thousand

"They didn't make it clear" is probably the key there. Trying to do many things was part of the problem with this. I think the rehashing of "Batman's" origin is one example of time that could have been spend elsewhere, the origin was pretty familiar to most when this was made, and it could have been time spent to explain that "Batman" is grizzled and cynical now, which could justify his casual nature with brutality and essentially abandoning of his one rule we are familiar with.

Charles Briggs

In the words of Jeff Bridges as The Dude (The Big Lebowski) "Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man" but all jokes aside i never understand why it bothers some people that Man of Steel Batman V Superman Ultimate Edition and Zack Snyder's Justice League are beloved by millions of people around the world and just a sidenote judging by how bad the MCU (even the DCU) is doing right now that's not really the flex you think it is no disrespect intended ✌️

Mojo One Thousand

I have seen the nephew story a couple of times, it's pretty nice story. It crossed my mind to mention it, but I dribbled on about some things. Glad someone mentioned these stories though.

Ventena

please be sure to watch wonder woman before you watch Zack Snyder's Justice League

Yaisu

Fun fact: in the silver age comics, superman is the reason lex went bald.

Richard Maurer

Even If the MCU and Gunn’s DC were doing bad right now (they’re not really) that would still be better than than the Snyderverse is doing, it’s dead, buried, and with no zombie-like resurrections forthcoming.

Chris Thom

Because of radiation or something?

Yaisu

Luthor was running a lab but there was a fire. Supes used his freezing breath to put out the fire but caused the fumes to go towards Lex which caused his hair to fall out. At the time, this was the supposed to be the start of his path towards evil. But none of this is canon anymore. I could've gotten a couple details off but I read the comic over 20 years ago from my dad's old collection (which sadly is now lost due to a housefire).

Story Archer

Superman didn't have a choice but to fight Zod in the city. Zod had declared that he would kill every human on Earth unless Kal killed him to stop him. So-called Superman fans who are upset about Superman doing whatever he had to do to save millions of lives (billions?) don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Richard Maurer

Yeah, I’ve never understood the whole “take the fight out of the city thing”. What do they expect, Superman to stop and ask Zod “ could we please leave the city? we’re causing a lot of damage here.”, then Zod just politely agrees? I mean Superman’s fighting someone of near equal strength, how would he get him out of the city without making himself completely vulnerable and probably losing a fight that results in the end of humanity?

Story Archer

More to the point, Zod wasn't intent on attacking Superman as much as hurting him by killing everyone in his adoptive home. If Superman had left the city, hoping to draw Zod away, Zod would have just stayed there, killing... he had no choice but to fight him there and, ultimately, take the last Kryptonian life in existence (as far as he knew). It was a supreme and incredibly selfless sacrifice. I never understood why people got stuck on the 'Superman would never kill someone' schtick. Are you really saying that he doesn't have it in him to do whatever he has to to save countless lives?

Richard Maurer

Why would Godzilla and Kong get along?

JPDotCom23

Excellent reaction, finally was able to re-watch this again, she has to watch 'Wonder Woman'. I hope they watch the Snider cut for 'Justice League'

JAKH

The problem is that Supes kept trying to deter Zod or reason with him, and passed up several opportunities to kill him until Zod finally made him chose between killing Zod or letting Zod kill the innocents in front of him, but by prolonging the fight Supes caused more destruction and killed hundreds or more that would not have been harmed if he had killed Zod at the first opportunity.

tasty_coffee85

Welcome to the journey to one of the best superheroes movies at all times - Justice League Snyder Cut.

Barry

Yes, please watch Wonder Woman next.