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Lone Survivor - Full Reaction (Patreon)

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Hey guys! Here is the full reaction to Lone Survivor. It has been a while since Carly and I re-visited the war genre. As with most war movies I've seen, this one was sad and very difficult to watch. And being a true story made it so much more intense. War is terrible and it breaks my heart knowing what's going on in the world right now, especially because there are innocent people being affected. With all that's going on, hopefully you can continue to use these videos as a brief escape. Thank you all so much for being here and supporting the channel. I truly appreciate every single one of you. Stay safe!

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Wesley Wallace

This is footage of actual Navy Seal training

Tara

I’ve never seen this movie, so I’ll be watching it for the first time with you Cassie.

Dave Hill

Such an intense movie! Looking forward to watching it again as it's been a while since I've seen it.

Coleton B.

This is genuinely bittersweet in the sense that, with Carly joining you it will definitely raise her ceiling on intensity/violence (not that I'm referring to that necessarily as a good thing) which may allow for her to join for some more interesting titles in the future. That being said, this is a truly heart wrenching story that's VERY close to the actual events. Fun fact: The real Marcus Luttrell made a cameo at the beginning as the soldier who said "Why the **** wouldn't we shave him?"

BD Williams

This is a one timer for me. You know going in no matter what character you get attached to, only one of them makes it. Rough watch!

Joe Aschenbrener

Another great reaction. Please consider a movie with a romance and based on a true event "The Finest Hours" a rescue of many on a ship crew by heroic Coast Guard men in a 1951 Gale near Boston. Thanks

Aaron

There's actually a fitness challenge called "The Murph" in honor of Murphy. I try to do it at least once a year.

nick bell

Well said Cassie. Nice job

Ronny Boss

Thanks for watching these for us, I know it's hard for you lovely ladies with this genre. It is a sad movie, and if you ever get a chance to watch any interviews with Marcus Luttrell I highly recommend it. His injuries in the film were toned down a little bit from what he sustained in real life.

Shehab Dawoud

Hoping the next war film will be Apocalypse Now. There's very little actual war going on and you won't be attached to any of the characters, so I doubt you'll get emotional. But it towers above any other film in the genre.

David Crabtree

Recommendations for military related films: The Patriot (2000 Mel Gibson film), Pearl Harbor, 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, Top Gun, Behind Enemy Lines, Men of Honor

Shehab Dawoud

And what's going on in Ukraine right now is horrible and we should all show our support. I just wish people would have the same energy when it comes to the Apartheid state Israel and the atrocious crimes they commit against innocent Palestinians on the daily, which has been going on for decades. That's all.

Fireteam Joker

General Douglas MacArthur said, “The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.” Civilians also pay a terrible price. In Iraq, where at all possible, the civilians were warned before major operations were about to take place and they need to leave. All too often they got caught up in the fighting. When I asked them "Why didn't you leave??" They said "This is my home. Where would I go?" That hit me hard. Would I leave my home? Where would I go? I really enjoyed the reaction today. It definitely was hard to watch. lol I've been to Mountain Warfare School and I can tell you that jumping off cliffs are NOT part of the training.

Björn Von Knorring

Cassie; I'm very very serious when I say that you're doing a very important part. Lots of people are worried and scared. It's not only about escape but people need to feel less alone. So I think you're doing your part and more by doing what you do.

nick bell

One of those films I've seen once. And once was enough. It affected me. Moved me. Maybe I'll catch the YT edit.

Andrew Hansen

Stuff like this gives a reprieve from the pains of the world. If not this specific movie. Might I suggest, as a Christian reacting to The Chronicles of Narnia: Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe. Good story and uplifting. I watched it in theaters and cried. The crazy thing is Marcus was in even worse shape than the movie depicts. He was paralyzed from the chest down. How he escaped was dragging himself by his arms 6 miles across the mountains. I saw an interview where he wanted to give up but he would reach out as far as he could and draw a line in the dirt and told himself "if I can make it that far I'll keep going," and he did that for 6 miles. There was more tragedy in his life after he returned home. He got a a therapy service dog and one night he's awoken by the sound of a gunshot and comes out to find a couple guys standing laughing over the dead body of his dog. He proceeds to chase them at high speed for half an hour till police convince him to let them take over. He scared them so much they turned themselves in so he couldn't get them

Doug Fisher

Seen this one a few times now... well made movie. The behind the scenes are great, and the lone survivor was a consultant on the movie, and he also was in the movie (SEAL in the group in the beginning wearing the beanie).

Doug Fisher
>>78771756

It is well made, well acted, but tough at times. Hope you can appreciate it. What helps me is that watching it is honoring those fallen, so they can be remembered.

David Crabtree

I'm looking forward to this reaction. I know you're a fan of that Jack Ryan series starring John Krasinski. You should check out his 2016 film " 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi", a truly powerful film and a great performance from Krasinski.

Alex Gorell

Saw this in theatres when it came out. It’s one of those movies you see once and say “it’s good but I don’t ever wanna watch it again”.

Reed James

Did anyone else have trouble keeping this one sync? I watched on Amazon Prime, and this one is running just slightly faster or something. never had a problem on other ones.

Coleton B.
>>78774572

I think Cassie would genuinely enjoy The Patriot, Behind Enemy Lines and Pearl Harbor. PS: She has seen and reacted to Top Gun! It's a Patreon exclusive!

Coleton B.
>>78780069

I did as well, streamed on Netflix. I noticed very small blips in the reaction as though it was skipping forward by .01 of a second or something. I couldn't keep them sync'd.

trey stevenson

Great reaction. I’ve read Marcus’ book ‘Lone Survivor’ and the whole story is much worse. He was in much worse shape than portrayed in the movie but the book is a must read.

Coleton B.
>>78781692

Including the stomach parasite from the water bottle/drinking water. Apparently it was pretty awful.

Mike LL

This was two movies in a row I had never seen before. I hope we can watch some comedies or light dramas, maybe a musical because we have certainly seen a lot of death here lately. I'm still not certain how I feel about this film. I greatly admire the soldiers and their sacrifice. I'm just not sure how I can appreciate this film. Was this the first collaboration between Berg and Wahlberg? I've seen several of the movies they made after this, Deepwater Horizon and Patriots Day, both good. How about a few lighthearted movies?

Coleton B.
>>78782496

The schedule for reactions is usually chosen well in advance. It's not as though this was selected with current events in mind..

randomnewb

marcus was on joe rogan podcast for any1 interested

Jon Johns
>>78780069

I think Cassie might have been watching from a disc? I watched on Youtube, and other than the opening studio logos being different, the sync seemed alright. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tara
>>78771756

@Doug What an incredible story and reading other comments about Marcus Luttrell, I want to learn more about him. I went back and watched the beginning again to see his cameo when they were sitting around the picnic table after the race. It makes me wonder about all the stories that we will never know about and the sacrifices so many have made. Thank you for your service to all the men and women out there.

Jon Johns
>>78782107

I was just thinking this! Mike LL, I read this on "Vulture" --> "But beyond its obvious Bourne-esque franchise-building potential, Mile 22 will hit theaters in August with another distinction: It’s director Peter Berg and Wahlberg’s fourth movie together after Deepwater Horizon (2016), Patriots Day, and 2013’s Lone Survivor. "

Josh Phillips

This was an incredibly sad story. Shattered my heart to pieces when I first saw it. Can’t even imagine how their families were affected by this and the emotional scars Marcus Luttrell will have to carry with him for the rest of his life. Navy SEALs are truly remarkable individuals. Btw, If you want to see a great drama tv show, portraying Navy SEALs with a high degree of accuracy, I’d highly recommend “SEAL Team” starring David Boreanaz. There’s 5 seasons and they just renewed for a 6th. Probably way too many episodes to react too, but definitely a binge worthy tv show I think you and Ben would enjoy! Free on Amazon Prime!

Mike LL
>>78782107

OK, Mile 22 was the other one, thanks Jon Johns. They do make a good team, don't they?

Cole Jennett
>>78780069

Mine too. They just seemed to react a fraction of a second before I saw what happened, and I was synced pretty precisely. It happens🤷‍♂️

Doug Fisher
>>78782107

Take yourself out of the equation. This isn't about you or how you feel... this is about recognizing the sacrifice of fallen heroes and making sure they and there deeds are not forgotten. There has been plenty of lighthearted movies. Give this movie and what it represents its due.

Doug Fisher
>>78771756

That is why I try to watch movies like this as often as I can so they are not forgotten. Did you also see him in the chopper before it was hit? If you have the Blu-Ray I highly recommend watching the Extras. It shows Marcus consulting and a lot of the training the actors did. Also, his book is a must read. I remember as a child hearing my Grampa's war stories... they were always the happy and funny ones. He would never talk about the bad stuff; he even cut off his best bud Rocky when he started to speak of it. You are right... so much we never hear about or will ever know.

Phillip Ribbink

Cassie at the end there with the thousand yard stare. I actually think Carly handled this better than Cassie, surprisingly despite this only being her second war movie I believe.

Brent Petty

If there was an Oscar for stuntwork, this movie would have won it just for the falling.

Doug Fisher
>>78772041

I know it is hard to watch but I try and watch movies like this as often as I can so the sacrifices and lessons are not forgotten.

Tara
>>78787571

While I was watching the movie, I thought about stuntmen making all those falls.

Shehab Dawoud
>>78774735

Innocent people dying and suffering is nothing to joke about. Unfortunately, it doesn't get the attention and scrutiny it should, especially in the west. And we all know why.

Michael J

I missed a lot of war movies like the last 8 years. Seen a few. Not this one though. Not even sure why I haven't,,,, so much media and movies these days so. And I come from a Marine family to.

Michael J
>>78771756

Anything on the rental ones I can. Got Netflix to Disney etc. I could rent it if not.

Mike Lemon
>>78782107

Canadian Bacon (1995)! I was going to recommend it for Canada Day, but now works too. Also, still hoping for The Last Unicorn (1982) in the animated category.

Doug Fisher
>>78774735

To state that it is Israel committing the atrocious crimes I could only think you were kidding. Palestinians are not "innocent". Firing missiles indiscriminately into civilian populations is not "innocent". Israel is not an Apartheid state. Quit spreading your lies.

Shehab Dawoud
>>78774735

This wasn't supposed to start a discussion. Anyone who's not blind and manipulated by the western media can see exactly what's going on in the Middle East. May God help you.

Mr Jordan
>>78782107

I'm not a Mark Wahlberg fan, but he did a great job here. I totally believed his character so he can act apparently. Not impressed with his other collaborations with Berg, but this one was solid. Watching it with Cassie and Carly seemed more intense than I remembered when I watched it. Yeah, some light-hearted movies would be nice.

Mr Jordan
>>78787571

No CGI either. Real men falling down a real cliff. I respect their desire for realism, but that may be going a bit too far.

Mike LL
>>78782107

@Doug Fisher The existence of this movie ensures that no one will ever forget their sacrifice. I'm still undecided about how I feel about the movie itself, as is my right. Thank goodness Cassie is so open minded about her movie decisions, and for watching this very powerful movie. And I am grateful that me, you, and everyone else here has been granted input into those decisions.

Doug Fisher
>>78774735

Then why bring it up? I am not blinded by anything, I don't watch western mainstream media. Actually western mainstream media would more likely portray the situation like you do, falsely. I see and know what exactly what is going on in the Middle East... and it isn't what you are portraying. I don't need help from God... my conscience is clean and I sleep very well at night.

Mister Lou

another great reaction! there's a coupe other movies based on true stories both also by the same director and starring Mark Wahlberg called Patriots Day and Deepwater Horizon. also, idk why, but the little boy bringing Mark a duck was so hilarious to me.

David Freese

Thanks Cassie. I had never seen this movie and didn't know anything about the story. It was a story that's needs to be told to remember people who made the ultimate sacrifice to keep people free.

Mike Lipke

i really enjoyed the part where the village saved Mark Walberg's life

Rose

The clips during the opening were from “Navy Seals: Buds Class 234." I first saw this documentary on the Discovery Channel yrs ago & immediately bought the DVD on Amazon bc the documentary was so amazing! There’s an upload of it on YT. Vid quality is bad but at least it's free. Def checkout Marcus Luttrell’s Team Never Quit podcast & Shawn Ryan’s Vigilance Elite channel. You’ll get interesting BUD/s / Navy Seal / Frogman story times. During the BUD/s story time, Marcus shared a cool story about his twin brother, Morgan (also former Navy Seal). Rob O’ Neill (most famous for killing OBL & Capt Phillips rescue) talked about his role related to the Luttrell rescue effort - among other very interesting topics - on the TNQ podcast. Anyway, I’m glad ppl on YT highly requested this one for you. “13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi” is another must-see. Also suggest “Act of Valor” - if you want to see real operators in action.

Ronny Boss
>>78784661

Agreed, I love Seal Team. I like how it makes a strong point show the mental health, TBI, and Depression that our service members endure from their deployments. The after effects are heartbreaking in some of those episodes

Josh Phillips
>>78784661

I’m so happy they included the mental health aspect of being an operator in SEAL Team. Sometimes the hardest battles aren’t fought on the battlefield.

Robert da Spruce
>>78780069

Yup. Cassie’s version was playing too fast. It would start to go out of sync every few minutes. I’d have to quickly Pause, Unpause every so often to get it back in sync. I was watching off a disc if that helps.

Bronson Spencer

This movie was great but this is not what really happened to Marcus Luttrell. In that fall near the end of the movie, Marcus actually broke his back and could not walk. As he was laying there he said to himself, "I'm not dead yet." What he did was made a line in the dirt past his head and he dragged himself across that line. He would draw line after line and eventually dragged himself 8 miles to that village. Marcus is the very definition of tough.

Robert da Spruce

Hi Cassie, Just finished watching the movie. It’s pretty intense. And leaves me feeling a weird combination of sadness, pride, admiration, appreciation, and probably some other emotions jumbled up altogether. I enjoyed your reaction, but feels strange to say for some reason. This movie also made me think of the Seal Team rescue of Jessica Buchanan. Not sure if you’ve heard the story. But there’s a 60 minutes story about it on YouTube if you want to take a look. https://youtu.be/qSqMjK85tfc It’s been a pretty heavy week for movies. Not sure about everyone else, but I wouldn’t seeing something a little lighter. I’m sure you have your reactions planned well in advance though. I look forward to hearing what this week has in store. I also wanted to say a big thank you to our men and women in the military. Past and present. Your sacrifice and service does not go unnoticed.

David RedEagle
>>78774735

It always cracks me up how simple minded folk take one major world issue and try and make it about another. Even if its based on lies and stupidity. Word of advice Shehab, keep you blind politics out of a fun entertainment based group. No one here wants to hear your lies or ignorance.

Shehab Dawoud
>>78774735

😂😂😂 Here come the zionists. There ain’t nothing you can do to keep me quiet about the truth

Gideon James

This was an excellent reaction video. I personally don't expect a lot of commentary. Facial reactions are enough on movies that are fully engaging. Cassie, any chance we can get back into Star Wars movies soon? Thanks!

Gilbert Gonzalez

Little trivia: The navy seal towards the beginning who makes of a mess of the table and tells the young guy, Patton, to clean it up for his first op, is the real Marcus Luttrell. He is also seen on the helicopter that gets shot down later.

Erik Daniel

What a nice surprise, I didn't read the description and...Carly! Always a wonderful bonus I'm just sorry it was such a tough watch. You did great, I've noticed whenever you say "I can't watch" and close your eyes or turn your head, a few seconds later you always start watching again even if the scene isn't over. Just to give it another try lol. Tough cookie. As you've noticed with movies like this Cassie, as tough as it is to watch, it really makes you appreciate the bravery and courage that much more when you see just how brutal and horrible combat can be. When you see it all in horrific detail, it really leaves you speechless and just so thankful that people with super human bravery like that exist. Not to joke about it, but I panic when someone shoots at me in a video game, I simply can't imagine. P.S. Carly, don't worry a lot of people mistake Mark Wahlberg and Matt Damon lol. I guess they've talked about it and it happens so much they have a deal. Whenever it happens they have to be as nice as possible to not sully the others name and also yes, they have each signed autographs as the other one lol. Thanks as always girls that was....fun? lol seriously though, some tough watches lately we need some Father of the Bride energy up in here haha

Steven Ashford

Great reaction you two. Yes very intense movie. I’ve actually watched interviews with the lone survivor as I’ve said before I’m glad he’s on our side. You and Carly’s gratitude is refreshing. I have the pleasure of personally knowing a navy seal and a special forces ranger. Those guys have a totally different mindset, amazing people. And what’s crazy you talked about they should get paid the millions which I agree, but they would do it for free. And finally is American sniper on your shortlist.?

Bryan Harris

Just now starting but wanted to say, your hair looks FANTASTIC Cassie!!!

Gumby

Haven't read all the comments, but just in case someone hasn't already pointed it out, Markus Latrell made several cameos in the movie. He's hard to miss at 6'6", but most are unaware of who he is. Wind it back to the beginning when the newest member of the team was asking for a mission. The guy that knocked over the coffee cup, and says "there's your first opp " was Markus. Sunglasses, black cap.

Lamar Smith

Cassie, dearest, I cannot recommend highly enough to you, Carly & all your patrons the Anderson Cooper piece on this story highly enough. I’d say you simply aren’t informed as you ought to be unless you invest this time: https://youtu.be/1gYyurUdy7Y

Lamar Smith

You’ll meet both Marcus Luttrell and Mohammed Gulab and understand why Mohammed did what he did.

Gilbert Gonzalez

Also while watching along last night, I noticed that the copy of the movie Cassie and Carly were watching has an entirely different end credits sequence than my copy lol I’m guessing it’s a region thing, as they are in Canada and I’m in the US. Cassie’s copy showed footage of each character in the movie with a picture and name of their real life counterpart among other pictures. My copy doesn’t have that and shows a montage of the real life pictures, names, and ages of every single person who died in Operation Red Wings. I just thought that was interesting lol here’s the end credits on my end in case anyone wants to see https://youtu.be/kMJiEo10qHw

Obie Brown
>>78891517

They are born in Canada, but currently live in the US, but it could be they did a different region version of the film.

Rick Williams

Powerful movie. Powerful reactions.

Lamar Smith

So, up to this moment, no female has ever successfully completed BUDs, the first Navy SEALs qualifying school (Basic Underwater Demolition School). To my understanding two women have completed a, sort of pre-BUDs course but either chose not to continue into BUDs proper or started it but ‘rang out’ (rang a bell signifying they were quitting) freely available to all BUDs students at any time. From my understanding, according to interviews given by operating and retired SEALs, any female wanting to be a SEAL will have achieved a first in Navy History by graduating BUDs, when/if it happens but, unfortunately, from a certain point of view, will have achieved nothing. Recall the scenes of the tall, blonde, ‘rookie,’ as you two described him, SEAL, ultimately killed in the helicopter shot down over the mountainside. Recall the constant hazing he underwent. As silly as this may appear, every SEAL I’ve ever heard interviewed report that as brutal as all the SEALs schools and training are, they are positively nothing compared to what your own SEAL team does to you when you’re new to the teams. The thinking goes that the training is just that, strenuous training. The hazing, goofy and/or pointless as it was depicted, is dished out by men who need to know if you’re a liability, regardless of the plumbing between your legs, or a quitter because all of their lives, literally, depend on you being able to perform under the most brutal, as you saw, conditions. In one SEAL interview, the operator said he views everything that goes on a mission, every person, every single piece of equipment, through the exact same lens: if it helps accomplish the mission, he wants it. If not….. That same interview pointed out that Israeli special forces, in many ways the equal of our own, fields Special Forces units comprised entirely of females with the explanation that in the Middle East, women can get in to certain places and operate without as much scrutiny as any man. Wrap a female Israeli SF soldier in traditional head to toe Muslim women’s garb and she practically disappears. The SEAL wondered why the ‘solution’ to the ‘problem’ of not having American female SF operators isn’t solved by having an all female unit instead of endlessly debating how to modify (lower) the physical standards for female candidates to make it ‘fair’ when the last thing any firefight anywhere is is ever fair.

Lamar Smith

When asked to ponder the life of the first female newly assigned to a SEAL team after passing BUDs, he immediately responded, “I wouldn’t do it! Her life will be absolute hell until every member of her team was 100% sure she could perform every single task equally well, if not better than every other member of her team. No sane person would sign up for that!” To my way of thinking, he acknowledged her life would get infinitely harder after passing BUDs, with everything she said and did scrutinized and critiqued endlessly. Again, though, there’d be nothing, to my way of thinking ‘unfair’ about this. Every male, every new piece of gear would be put through the same wringer to make sure it increased, not just made equal, the team’s chances of completing the mission or else he, she or it gets very happily left behind. The SEAL’s basic point was there are so many things incredibly tough, tough-minded, capable women can do to further our nation’s missions but that particular SEAL had yet to hear a compelling reason to include a female on a SEAL team that supported the thesis that including her would increase that team’s chances of completing that mission. I’d invite you to run the thought experiment as it applied to this particular mission in this particular movie: would including a female SEAL on any part of this mission have resulted in any additional SEALs coming home alive off that mission? If anyone believes this, that’s fine, please share your evidence not prefaced with the word ‘Maybe….’ Do that and you’ll find yourself awash with current and former operators clamoring to make changes to make it happen. It’s just that cut-and-dried to the men we ask to take those tasks on.

Lamar Smith

I recall seeing a movie, also with Eric Bana, called ‘Hanna,’ about a girl raised in the Arctic to hunt and kill her own food, employ all manner of weapons and fight with her bare hands, trained from birth by a SF assassin to be a perfect assassin and survivor and possessing near superpowers in reflexes, speed, survivability and mental toughness. Now, the story is clearly fictional but, let’s just assume, given the opportunity to include Hanna on a SEAL team, from the interviews I’ve heard, the SEALs would respond, to illustrate my point, “I don’t want a woman on a SEAL team but would be glad to welcome Hanna aboard!” For those more politically motivated folk urging the inclusion of a woman in SF, please make sure you’re clear whether they want a woman included because….. I don’t know….. or do they want Hanna or one like her because they think she’ll increase the chance the team can complete the mission or do they think any woman in her twenties can be turned in to ‘Hanna.’ If the last, the only thing wrong with that theory is not at all that it couldn’t, given the right woman, be true but that it hasn’t yet been shown to work. Once it does, if it ever does, current and former SF operators are ready to have the conversation.

Shaun Ganyo
>>78774735

I'm just here to watch Cassie's reactions to movies, because she is the best thing going today. I don't care what any patron thinks about Israel or Palestine.

Gary Butterfield
>>78803192

yup although that would prob be tough for a movie. just a guy crawling, even tho its incredible he did it.

Marc Levesque

Great movie and reaction, watching this again made me so mad at the current administration leaving people and so much equipment behind, leading the Talibans to retake control of this poor country, they are savages, I know we shouldn't interfere in other countries affairs but leaving like they did negates all the efforts and sacrifices of people who fought there, I wonder what Markus the lone survivor thinks of Joe Biden...

Michael Lynch

Such a great and powerful movie. I'm a marine myself and when Carly said the Navy seals go through the hardest stuff or whatever she said that didn't bother me in the slightest. Those guys are hardcore badasses.

Steve Potter
>>79283053

I’m new to the Patreon and was just wondering can you watch some of the full length reactions and then come back to them later on where you left them or will the video always start from the beginning? Thanks!

LightsCameraJake
>>79121908

I think you need to do a bit of critical thinking. Realistically we have thousands and thousands of weapons and vehicles over there that we gave to the rebels. Its unrealistic and very VERY impossible to account and search the entire country for all the vehicles and guns we have over there. Current administration or Trumps administration could not have done any better. This was the unenviable way this had to happen. Truth be told, we should of never been over there as long as we were. We should of left back in 2005. Im sure Markus would understand that knowing exactly what that country is like.

Doc Savage

Woof.. Man that was tough. That's what valor looks like.

Marc Levesque
>>79121908

LightsCameraJake - The US Army had plenty of time to organise a planned retreat and repatriate citizens, soldiers, and weapons if they decided to get out of there which was a mistake in the first place, leaving the whole country to the Talibans, regimes like the Talibans and ISIS should be irradicated from any country, letting them take over isn't the human thing to do, closing our eyes to atrocities in the world and doing nothing enables these criminals to prosper and become even more beligerant, there are little Putins trough many countries commiting crimes against humanity, closing our eyes and doing nothing under the excuse that it's not our business is morally bankrupt, remember 9-11 and look at what Putin is doing now, we should set an example for the world, not run away and bury our heads in the sand...

christian k

feels like my copy runs faster than yours ... i sync both bur i watch 2 mins and my copy is like min 5 sec faster