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13 Hours (2016) - Full Reaction (Patreon)

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Wow, wow!! This was crazy and felt very real and I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I remember Benghazi but I did not know the details, and I need to look up and read more about it. I thought it was very well done!  Be Kind!

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djKENTO

The most restrained Michael Bay movie.

Mike LL

You heard Cassie! Be kind.

Cole Jennett

Yes, like the lady said. “Be kind!”

Josh Phillips

Looking forward to watching this tonight! John Krasinski was fantastic! I listened to some of the interviews from the operators that were there. Really breaks your heart for what they had to go through. Edit: Loved this reaction! Thanks for doing this movie! Here’s some historical tie ins… Gaddafi was the man responsible for the 1981 Gulf of Sidra incident where two Libyan Su-22 aircraft fired upon two U.S. Navy F-14 Tomcats. The F-14s shot down both Libyan aircraft. This fight was part of the inspiration for the Top Gun movie.

AdrianF

Skipper for me, and Backdraft too sadly. I bought BD ages ago with nostalgia goggles on and yeah... Not my thing these days.

Dave
>>121728300

William, we've already had the discussion regarding political comments . Please remove your comment.

Above Average Dave

Having been shot at, this one was as real as it gets. I think it's Michael Bay's best work. Should've received multiple Oscar noms. Just a great piece of film-making that makes viewers feel the chaos and fear of being in this kind of battle. Brave watch, Cassie - thank you!

Wes
>>121729696

Agreed. Michael Bays best as a director. This is the most grounded work he’s ever done

rakesh

I look forward to watching this tonight. @12.37 onscreen timestamp baby grogu uses the force to move the cam.

David

Research the reason why there was a 24x7 security detachment there and what they were guarding.

Celeste McAllister

This is more than just a film by Michael Bay,Respect to the families of the Fallen heroes..

Bryan Fritchie

I don't want to get political on your Patreon page. But "SCREW YOU" to the people who chose not to send support to Americans stranded in Benghazi. 😢

Zane From Canada
>>121728204

I feel extra moderating will be required. I've already seen one comment "stricken from the record".

Jaccob Cortes

Gotta admit, this movie is iconic.

Bill Maurer

What I take most out of this movie/story is 6 guys (later a 7th) who all risked their lives for American citizens they barely knew. The guy I am most impressed with is Glen Doherty. He was about 400 miles away when this attack happened. Yet, he led the way in stealing/borrowing/hijacking whatever you want to call it, a private just to get to Benghazi to help his team out. All I can say is read the book. The book was written by Mitchell Zuckoff, NY Times best selling author and Boston Globe reporter.

Dave
>>121730616

I appreciate the sentiment, but please remove this comment. The people your anger is directed towards most likely won't see your message anyways. Let's keep politics out of the comments. Thanks.

David Crabtree

Fans of the Office will rejoice in seeing Jim and Roy on the same team!

Bobby_Z24

Thanks for reacting. Nobody ever reacts to this.

AdrianF
>>121728483

I watched it in the cinema when I was 15. It was good then, but fell flat for me recently

David Crabtree
>>121738469

Maybe once other reactors see PiB reacting to it, some of them will check it out. I've seen trends like that.

David Crabtree

I am so excited to watch this reaction later tonight! As an unapologetic fan of Michael Bay (I adore Armageddon, The Rock, Transformers), this film is on another level for Bay as a filmmaker. You can tell he truly respected the material he was adapting for the screen.

Bubba Fett

Few seem to watch this one although until recently it wasn't really available widely on streaming services being on more niche paramount. On an outside note. The actor for Glen (Tobie Stevens) is spectacular in Black Sails, I know you don't do series but would be worth it and it's relatively short. 4 seasons averaging 10 episodes each.

Bobby_Z24

DS=diplomatic security

Blaze118

First, I would love to say Cassie, from both me and my wife, thank you for being a kind, empathetic soul. Second, to all of my brothers and sisters who have served, past and present, American or allied, thank you for the sacrifices you made. Finally, I know that there is controversy around this movie for a number of reasons. The biggest being why no American support arrived. What I will say is this. Without an absolute doubt. Those men who were on the ground and had to hold the line, they are heroes. Rest Easy to Glen, Rone, Sean, and Chris.

Andrew Rose

This movie always gets me... I don't know why people get upset about this movie. I know they say its propaganda and its not accurate but then so is most every war movie ever made. If you're watching this and taking something political away from it then you completely missed the point. It's not about politics, it's about the men who served and died in some far away place doing what they could to help their country. If you're reading anything else into it.. left or right.. then you're doing those men who gave their blood, their sweat, and their very lives to protect americans in a hostile place a huge disservice. Just my humble opinion as an army veteran and an american.

Larry Darrell
>>121735895

I’ve always wondered if the real guys had watched The Office before, possibly even while they were in Benghazi on down time, and if they could ever had imagined that Jim and Roy would be playing them in a movie one day.

Sahitya
>>121728483

Ya I heard about backdraft and decided to watch it, it was not for for me either. Maybe if I saw it as a kid I might have enjoyed it. Just way too much going on

Sahitya

Even though its his most subdued film, it shows that Michael bay knows how to direct an action film. He brings a kinetic energy to it. If only his scripts were halfway decent. I mean look at underground 7, what is that lol. I couldn't even finish it.

Brian McGovern
>>121749838

It is so forgettable, you even got the name of the film wrong :) 6 Underground is the name. I had to look it up because I was certain it was not 7.

Brian McGovern
>>121745617

I have not seen the movie, nor do I know anything about the facts behind this event. I just notice your comment about this being inaccurate. This is one of my pet peeves about these Based on True Events movies. Why do they feel the need to change some of the details? If the story is fascinating enough to have made a movie about it, then why the need to change some of the details? Surely it does a dis service to the actual people and to the events as they happened? It feels like rewriting history. I have never understood it.

Andrew Rose
>>121745617

Sure but which is the greater disservice, embellishing and/or changing the facts of the story for whatever reason, or not telling any story and letting those men's sacrifice go unsung? I don't know.. maybe we shouldn't say anything if we're not going to be 100 percent truthful about all aspects of a story. I don't have the answers, I'm no genius or movie critic, I'm just an old man who's opinion means very little.

Terry Yelmene

Cassie has NEVER looked so pensive... so scared... so distraught... so lost... so in horror with what she was seeing (like her Flight 93 react)... so anxious... so hurt... so done.... Me too! "I hate war. I hate that humans kill humans." ~ Cassie

Fireteam Joker

Just remember. This is a movie meant to entertain you. NOT a documentary. This movie is based (loosely) on a book. One very important thing to remember is the CIA Chief testified under oath he never told anyone to stand down. I assume it was put in for drama. It sucks that in today's world we have to rely on private contracting for security. These guys probably made close to $150,000 a year being a security contractor. We lost so many good guys in the military because of the massive paydays these guys get. They take the same risks we do, but get paid well over 150k?? Sign me up! The whole situation over there was about as messed up as possible. We couldn't fly in air support or troops because 1. It's a long way from any air base and very short notice. 2. Libya was and is a failed state. Every bad guy with a ground to air missile launcher would be shooting at any aircraft entering Libya. It's a great movie, but Michael Bay directed it and isn't exactly known for his historically accurate movies. I'm looking at you 2001 Pearl Harbor...

Fireteam Joker

I feel one of the things they got right was the comradery between everyone. We use humor so we don't just break down. It's part of why some veterans have a hard time adjusting to civilian life. Sometimes our humor.... is a little rough around the edges. We don't mean to sound insensitive or rude. It's just the only way we know how to cope.

Mike LL

Yet another first time watch for me and it was a good movie and a very great reaction. This is so easily Michael Bay's best film and I am not a Michael Bay fan at all. This is so much better than the unreality of Armaggedon or the Transformer movies. There really is no comparison. That was a surprise for me. Also was great to recognize Pablo Schreiber (Tanto) from The Wire in this movie.

Rick Williams

Great job Cassie. The true stories are always the hardest. Those were real people fighting for their lives. And some died. It was a bad move the ambassador going there with just two body guards. You don't send or let a person like that go into a dangerous area like that. He became target number 1. And then once it hit the fan you just don't sit there watching it go down from a drone. You send help. There was help only a couple hours away in Italy. But, no help was sent. There were drones overhead. Armed drones could have been used to provide some fire power.

Rick Williams
>>121758447

But, why was help not sent from Italy? The title tells you all you need to know, 13 hours. There could have been armed aircraft overhead in a couple of hours. There were drones overhead. Were they armed? Sicily is 500 miles north. Aviano Air Base is a little over 1,000 miles north. Help could have been sent.

Gilbert Gonzalez

Can’t wait to watch tonight. This is one of my favorite movies because of what those 6 guys accomplished and survived through depending on just each other. I get it’s one that people hate on, but I take it for what it was intended to do, which was for the guys who were there fighting to tell their side of the story of what happened, and I believe them.

Clay F
>>121758447

According to the House Armed Services report, the planes in Italy "were configured for training flights." None of them, the report found, were ready to fly a combat mission. Getting them ready couldn't have been accomplished until after the attack was over. The clear implication in the movie is that air support could have saved two lives but was held up by bureaucratic incompetence. "I called for air support," the officer says, stunned. "They never came." This is, without a doubt, 100 percent made up. The House Armed Services report found that "the Department of Defense had no armed drones or manned aircraft prepared for combat readily available and nearby on September 11 [when the attack occurred]." In the movie, the contractors say that even an unarmed overflight could have saved them by putting "the fear of God" in the attackers. After surveying expert judgment, the House report came to the opposite conclusion. "Even if such planes could have been dispatched in a timely manner, it would have been extraordinarily difficult for pilots (even with night vision capability) to identify and overfly attackers in very low light," the report concluded. "The Benghazi attackers demonstrated that they were the sort of experienced fighters that ... might be less fearful of an unarmed overflight." www.vox.com/2016/1/15/10774928/13-hours-benghazi-michael-bay

Clay F

Negatives: (1) Contrary to the movie, no stand-down order was given. (2) Contrary to the movie, no armed air support was available. (3) Contrary to the implication in the movie, there was nothing effective the US government could have done that night. Positives: (1) The movie does an exceptional job at portraying how difficult to secure US officials in a dangerous environment, and how from the perspective of the hero contractors, it was impossible to create a safe environment for the ambassador or CIA officers. (2) The movie does an admirable job humanizing the Libyans. www.vox.com/2016/1/15/10774928/13-hours-benghazi-michael-bay

2-Can
>>121758447

The CIA station chief said he told them to wait, because he was trying to coordinate with the local militia (Feb 17th). This seems like a situation where both sides could be correct, since serially telling someone to wait could involve multiple instances of telling them to stand-down until he thought they were ready to be supported. They eventually did go, but by then it was too late for the ambassador. Frankly, I'm not sure a stand-down order would have been wrong in that situation - he was responsible for over two dozen people and a lot of special equipment and records, he would want to be sure his top security personnel weren't being lured out into an ambush either at the other site or along the way there. As it was, they arrived after the first wave of attackers had left, who knows how the night would have unfolded if they had gotten there mid-attack - maybe better, maybe worse for us. The bigger question was why the lack of response - the official investigation found that there was no stand-down order issued to the military forces available to respond but did not address why there were no contingencies ready in such a heightened threat level. The interesting thing about the movie is that it doesn't really point fingers about the failure to respond. It basically shows the military biding options while they gathered more information, and it pays brief note to the initial reports that this was not a terrorist attack but a demonstration (about a youtube video, IIRC) that got out of hand. Michael Bay rightly gets credit for focusing on the effects of any of the decisions up to and during the attack on the people there who had to deal with the consequences, rather than the causes for why the situation was what it was (and I couldn't agree more about Pearl Harbor), which makes this movie such a stand-out.

Zachary K.

Great reaction as always Cassie, I definitely felt your pain on this one. It's such a treat to watch movies with you. I am so grateful, you are the type of person you are. Godspeed.

2-Can

Cassie - great job on both movies for Remembrance Day/Veterans Day.

JarHead0351

Great Movie with a good honest reaction 1- The Longest Day (D-Day) 2 - Sands of Iwo Jima (John Wayne & Marines) 3- MASH (Mobile Army Surgical Hospital) Korean War & Humor 4- 12 Strong (Weeks after 9/11, U.S. Special Forces go to Afghanistan) 5- WindTalkers (It is based on the real story of Navajo code talkers during World War II - Marines)

SeanATX

Hadn't seen it before, and frankly don't even remember it coming out at all. But that was a good movie, while maybe a tiny bit melodramatic. Combat scenes were really cool. Quite reminiscent of BLACKHAWK DOWN, which is a better film IMO. But that's Ridley Scott vs Michael Bay, what would you expect. This was better than I expected and Bay did very well here. As I will always do when there's a good reaction for a "true story" movie, Cassie please consider checking out IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER. True story, Daniel Day Lewis!

Carol_White
>>121730507

[censored]. Looking forward for this week to be over and we can get to Dog Day Afternoon.

lance tophoj

Our leadership during this tragic event was even more tragic. Then on top to lie about the events that caused it....what a shame.

Ike

“If you are able, save them a place inside of you and save one backward glance when you are leaving for the places they can no longer go. Be not ashamed to say you loved them, though you may or may not have always. Take what they have left and what they have taught you with their dying and keep it with your own. And in that time when men decide and feel safe to call the war insane, take one moment to embrace those gentle heroes you left behind.” Major Michael Davis O'Donnell 1 January 1970 (Dak To, Vietnam)

Gilbert Gonzalez

It might also be something worth mentioning that the station chief “Bob”, in the movie, was actually a mash-up of two different people. There was a “Bob”, but also a GRS team leader who was there coordinating between “Bob” and the operators. Could have been either of them that may have said to “stand down”, but in all the chaos, I don’t doubt that a lot was probably said in the confusion. I don’t believe the real “Bob” was all that innocent though, as it was revealed in a recent interview with a former CIA targeter, named Sarah Adams, who worked in Benghazi there at the annex (her and the real Boon have been investigating the attack on their own time and dollar to identify individuals responsible for the attack), that when Bob initially called the Feb 17 commander for help, the commander refused to send anyone. So he basically lied to the GRS operators the whole time that Feb 17 was going to help in any capacity. The interview is a two part podcast on the Shawn Ryan Show on YouTube. There is also a interview from last month, with the real Oz where he recounts the incident. Sarah Adams also revealed that while the attack was taking place, the president, was apparently busy meeting Beyoncé and Jay-Z…

Gilbert Gonzalez

The real Kris “Tanto” Paronto also co-hosts his own podcast with a friend of his called Battleline Podcast, that can also be found on YouTube, where he also had Sarah Adams on his show as a guest. He has become a public speaker as well where he shares his experiences. He even authored two books about his life and what being in the Army Rangers taught him and made him into. He also owns his own company, called Battleline Tactical, where he holds tactical firearms shooting courses for both civilians and non-civilians (first responders, military, etc.). On top of all that, he’s very committed to being a husband and full time father to his children.

Luke Godfrey

This is my second time watching this movie. The ending was a tough to watch as it was the first time, which says a lot about how great this this movie is. I just wish it was fiction.

Jayson Phillips

Hey I was in this movie!! Sort of, the helicopter scene in the beginning was my unit in Afghanistan

John P Tucker

The only movie that hits me in the feels more than this is “Only the Brave” another true story involving wildland firefighters.

Bill Maurer
>>121732442

Him bringing that plane from Tripoli to Benghazi meant that Oz and Dave where able to get a flight out so they could get emergency care and ended up saving both their lives.

Bill Maurer
>>121775728

Those on the ground say that a wait or stand done order was given. Here's a Youtube clip with Larry King interviewing the author, Mitchell Zuckoff. https://youtu.be/_CsLsWKCuY0?si=7FE02eEJ0gVVlonq You can start at the 6:30 mark Here's a clip from an interview with two of the GRS contractors https://www.c-span.org/video/?322768-11/open-phones-kris-paronto-mark-geist Start at the 35:50 minute mark for the best question/answer Just think through the issue. 2 Seals, 1 Ranger and 3 Marines WAITED over 25 minutes to aid the US Ambassador and staff. They WAITED on their own. We're they sleeping? Playing Video games, watching movies? What was the reason for them delaying 20 + minutes before leaving the annex. I deployed to Aviano AB in Italy. F-16s from Aviano could have done a low level fly over and scare the be-Jeezzus out of everyone.

Clay F

This film is inaccurate- there was no stand down order given, no armed air support was available, and there was nothing effective the US government could have done that night. The film is accurate in portraying how difficult to secure US officials in a dangerous environment, and how for the hero contractors, it was impossible to create a safe environment for the ambassador or CIA officers.

Rick Williams
>>121837108

On the one hand you have the testimony of a CIA official who has every reason to say there was no stand down order to protect his career. Then on the other hand you have the testimony of several ex-military who were there protecting the civilian government workers who have nothing to gain by lying. No armed air support was available because the order was never given to send any.

Above Average Dave
>>121837108

It's also accurate as it gets on the chaos of being on the ground in a real-time engagement where everyone is a potential enemy combatant and that awful snapping sound of rounds hitting danger close is a constant. Until it isn't. And then it is again.

Above Average Dave
>>121808212

"The Outpost" is right up there in my estimation with this with a last 90 minutes that are an adrenaline-soaked non-stop engagement. Recounts an actual battle in an indefensible position where American forces are completely outnumbered. The director, Rod Lurie, is also an Army vet.

Clay F
>>121837108

Rick, respectively, no armed air support was available for an order to be given. No matter what the heroes on the ground thought, no stand-down order was given -- that is based on more than the testimony of a CIA official.

Steve Holton

The quote “All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you” is from Joseph Campbell, author of the book “The Hero With A Thousand Faces”, which outlines the structure of a hero’s journey in storytelling. His work influenced many creative artists including George Lucas, and Christopher Vogler, whose memo at Disney on “The Hero With A Thousand Faces” led to the creation of “Beauty And The Beast”, “Aladdin” and “The Lion King”. In this film “Boon” reads the book “The Power Of Myth” which is an adaptation of a series of interviews about myth and its power with Joseph Campbell. This quote seems a reminder that the team is in a situation fraught with possibility and danger. And that they will soon need all their experience, wisdom, and grit to keep themselves and others safe.

Above Average Dave
>>121745617

Also, these aren't documentaries. Even the most accurate dramatic portrayal takes such liberties - compressing action, composite characters, leaving out nuance etc. In this instance, the screenwriter and Bay are compressing days, and the last 13+ hours of the final day in country to 2.5 hours. Finally, there are real people in these incidents. Perhaps the hardest thing is to give them depth and build audience empathy for them. This film does that particularly well to the point where, if you don't feel like you know the key characters, you feel like you know enough about them to want them to survive the film.

Clay F
>>121837108

Dave, good point. The movie does an excellent job of that.

Above Average Dave
>>121758447

I read the book by the operators and take them at their word. The word of the CIA? Their record on truthfulness is...problematic.

Above Average Dave
>>121768821

You both have to hear the comments soldier to soldier in "The Outpost," especially under fire. Completely authentic and outright hilarious in some parts. Also, a genius tactic when you're trying to get both your minds off wandering into fear.

Above Average Dave
>>121848257

Every screenwriter and author worth their salt has read The Power of Myth at least once if not several times. Just a spectacular book. Campbell's work is seminal and his drawing together of archetypical symbols that are present in human cultures which never encountered each other or "bridge cultures" between them points to the fact that we are hard-wired for stories and certain iconic/subconscious images and standalone archetypes (example: there are some form of dragons in virtually every significant culture at all recorded points of human experience from Eurasia to the Americas to Africa, yet these cultures never mixed). Just amazing stuff. The TV series he did with Bill Moyers, while a bit simplistic and overly truncated, is worth a watch. Campbell is a master.

Steve Holton
>>121848257

For those who don't know. @Above Average Dave is a best-selling author and gifted writer!

Larry Darrell

Once a Soldier, Always a Soldier

Thoko
>>121837108

Clay, why would you so strongly believe what the government tells you, without any skepticism? I'm guessing you're the kind of guy who is still optimistic that weapons of mass destruction will be found in Iraq.

Barry Justice
>>121848257

I didn't know that. I don't usually like smart people, because I have to try and be smart, which is very taxing, and makes me take to my bed! But I'll try my best.

Clay F
>>121837108

Thoko, why do you choose to ignore evidence and instead believe conspiracy theories?

Bill Maurer
>>121837108

Let's talk theory Do you really believe 2 ex SEALs, 3 former Marines and 1 ex Ranger would voluntarily WAIT while a US Ambassador and others are under attack in a place about a mile away from their annex. What were they doing if they were forbidden to go? Playing Video games? Surfing the web? You had one ex SEAL 400 miles away borrowing a jet just to get to his guys and get in the fight. Here's a Youtube clip with Larry King interviewing the author, Mitchell Zuckoff. https://youtu.be/_CsLsWKCuY0?si=7FE02eEJ0gVVlonq You can start at the 6:30 mark Here's a clip from an interview with two of the GRS contractors https://www.c-span.org/video/?322768-11/open-phones-kris-paronto-mark-geist Start at the 35:50 minute mark for the best question/answer Read the book, that's all I have to say.

Clay F
>>121837108

I think they thought they were told to wait. The report by the House Intelligence Committee (led by Chairman Mike Rogers) said there was no stand-down order given. Mike Rogers (a soldier 1985-89) -- from east Alabama -- a conservative and a Christian, father of three, and married to his wife (Beth) for over 35 years. Rep. Tammy Duckworth, who lost both of her legs while serving in Iraq, stated: “Committee, after committee, after committee has found that there was no stand-down order,” noting that Gen. Petraeus testified the same. "[T]hree different committees have looked at this and have never found any evidence of any type of a stand-down order — period. There just wasn’t one.”

Clay F
>>121837108

As for air support, according to the House Armed Services report, the planes in Italy "were configured for training flights." None of them, the report found, were ready to fly a combat mission. Getting them ready couldn't have been accomplished until after the attack was over. The clear implication in the movie is that air support could have saved two lives but was held up by bureaucratic incompetence. "I called for air support," the officer says, stunned. "They never came." This is, without a doubt, 100 percent made up. The House Armed Services report found that "the Department of Defense had no armed drones or manned aircraft prepared for combat readily available and nearby on September 11 [when the attack occurred]."

Clay F
>>121837108

In the movie, the contractors say that even an unarmed overflight could have saved them by putting "the fear of God" in the attackers. After surveying expert judgment, the House report came to the opposite conclusion. "Even if such planes could have been dispatched in a timely manner, it would have been extraordinarily difficult for pilots (even with night vision capability) to identify and overfly attackers in very low light," the report concluded. "The Benghazi attackers demonstrated that they were the sort of experienced fighters that ... might be less fearful of an unarmed overflight."

Clay F
>>121837108

www.vox.com/2016/1/15/10774928/13-hours-benghazi-michael-bay

JimJames
>>121735997

I just listened to the first half, she is awesome. The "balls" on these people like Sarah who travel in and out of these countries and do this kind of work is incredible.

JimJames
>>121735997

also check out a pod evan hafer did with Oz, called "launch code podcast". Its just the two of them and oz has some hilarious stories, episode 122 & 123.

JPDotCom23

Cool, finally, someone does a recommendation I made

Nathan Bishop
>>121735895

Team Roy, by the way. Roy being a bad fit for Pam was not an excuse for Jim to kiss Roy's fiance. The more I've grown up, the more I've realized how much I dislike Jim. He's so disrespectful, invasive and selfish. I now love the episodes where Charles (Idris Elba) comes in and treats Jim like the childish jerk that he is.

Thoko
>>121837108

Government agencies lie to congress and have been caught doing so. Eric Holder was at the center of a scandal where congress was misinformed and he refused to hand over important evidence. And that was during the same presidential term as this movie. So, yeah, I think it is fair to say that it makes zero sense to trust government agencies to tell the truth. A report from these agencies is not evidence. It is heresay and wouldn't even be permitted in court.

Clay F
>>121837108

It is evidence. Sworn testimony plus thousands of documents. You choose to believe conspiracy theories over evidence. That is what is insidious about this movie is that people like you use the movie to push the incorrect assertions you make.

Jose Perez

Wow! I saw this in sync. 1st time I did this. Tough to watch, but very good. This story needed to be told!

Clay F

For this movie, Paramount did a big advertising blitz on Fox News during President Obama's State of the Union address and the followup analysis. This movie crapped on hardworking patriots in the US military and US government.

Slim jimmy

Y tf is it blurred and say full reaction fuck u

Slim jimmy
>>121780996

Bitch if u didn’t see it before it is blurred Asf u still didn’t see it ur a liar

Logan England

Thank you for letting us watch this with you! One of my favorite war movies. Heartbreaking, but powerful!