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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) - Full Reaction (Patreon)

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I think I officially like Star Trek people!  Although... there are parts of this movie I do not accept! I feel like the character development is so good for me, and I really haven't even seen that much but I feel like I know them! I'm having a lot of fun. Hope you enjoy!

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Matt Rose

Crap, just when I was getting ready for bed. Guess I'll be postponing bedtime by 2 hours.

Ronny Boss

Gosh darn right at my bedtime. I can't wait to get off wurk tomorrow to watch this one

Astraeos

You really kinda have started a journey here thats hard to stop. Search for Spock, or at the very least, The Voyage Home are a must watch. IDK what you are thinking overall for Star Trek, but Undiscovered Country looking past Search for Spock and Voyage Home is also very, very much worth a watch. Though they all are in their own way. Further continuing on, Star Trek The Next Generation and its movies and the TV Show are also very well considered and highly popular and highly recommended. I personally, and many others, put The Next Generation, particularly that show and that crew, ahead of The Original Series. Glad you are enjoying it so far and I'm gonna enjoy whatever you decide to give us from Star Trek. Either way, whatever you decide not to bring to Patreon or Youtube, I can't recommend enough for you to check all of Star Trek out in your own personal time at least. Deep Space Nine, also, if you get into The Next Generation, is another massive and huge recommendation, though that's just the TV show, no accompanying movies like The Original Series or The Next Generation.

djKENTO

*edit* this is the theatrical cut y’all. Also LET’S GOOOOOO! There will come a point in this franchise if you continue where it swaps to another cast for a show called Star Trek: The Next Generation. I hope you continue with bits of that. The film Star Trek First Contact is INCREDIBLE and I’d love to see you watch it.

Bryan Fritchie

1 & 5 are not that great of movies in the TOS (The Original Series) era. 3 is also a little weak, but it's got pivotal story points that you need to see. Can't wait for the YouTube edit!

Texas Anla'Shok

Leonard Nimoy was actually not going to do this until Nicholas Meyer promised him a death scene. He came back specifically so he could be killed off. Then he enjoyed being back with his old crew so much that he wanted to do more. This led to him directing the next two movies.

Celeste McAllister

"Can I cook or can't i" I loved Kirk dealing with mid-life crisis! Silver fox space daddy! Khan's still got it,that magnetism! :) that's a baby Kirstie Alley (Cheers),Being Vulcan suites her well!

Mark Vaderr

Spock: "Jim. Be careful." Bones: "WE will."

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Yeah a lot of people thought that Ricardo Montalban was wearing a fake chest piece but that was totally real, he stayed really fit into his later years. And you couldn't even tell under that white suit he wore as Mr. Rork on Fantasy Island haha. He's so over the top as a villain, love it, and who else could match Shatner for being juuust a bit overly dramatic?

B.H. Hosford
>>125610706

Same here. I was about to call it a night but now I'm headed back to Ceti Alpha V.

Tara

Damn! To stay up way too late or not… that is the question. I would, except I have year ending stuff to do and need to be sharp. But I’m here as soon as I get off work!

Matt Rose

Hopefully she puts ST3 at the top of her queue now. Also, I'll be the odd duck and state that ST3 is my personal favorite of the original 6 films. Some people slag on it but I don't care, I think it's marvelous and features the absolute best James Horner score of all of them. I think Cassie will adore it.

Matt Rose
>>125610963

I love ST3 myself. I think Cassie will be very, very satisfied with it. That said, I think ST4 will be her favorite of the lot.

Just Plain Bob

Like most fans, this is my favorite of the Star Trek movies. I saw it in the theater when I was twelve and cried like a baby when Spock died. I grew up watching reruns of Star Trek and treasure every episode. To my twelve year old self, Spock was a friend I’d grown up with. Later, I found out that Leonard Nimoy had grown tired of being typecast and only agreed to reprise his role in this movie if the Spock character could be killed off. The sequence at the beginning of the movie, the Kobayashi Maru exercise, was (at least in part) included in the movie because the filmmakers knew that news of Spock’s death was bound to leak. They figured that, by faking his death early in the film, audiences would believe this was the death they’d heard about, making his eventual demise much more impactful.

Just Plain Bob
>>125613019

Although the third movie isn’t my favorite, I agree that it gets undue criticism. I like it quite a bit, although I thought Christopher Lloyd was miscast (I can’t help but see Reverend Jim of the tv show Taxi every time he’s on screen).

Texas Anla'Shok

You've heard James Horner before. He did the music for Apollo 13.

Walter Crockett

Hey Everyone…I checked and it looks like this reaction is for the Theatrical Edition

Pianodean

GASP! Could Star Trek move you to tears, Cassie?! I can't wait to find out....this is going to be such an awesome...."mission" to take again for the umpteenth time....and the "first." The music is NEVER disappointing in any of the movies...if you make it to ST: First Contact...that is one of the most beautifully haunting pieces of music EVER! You will LOVE IT!!!

Cliff Stephenson
>>125613019

I love ST3… I’ve always been baffled by the hate out gets. For my money, The Undiscovered Country is actually the one Star Trek movie I don’t think has aged well at all. I find it highly overrated now. It’s good, but I don’t think it’s as good as 2-3-4.

Ike

Okay, I’m getting out of bed for this! I already had the BluRay and special popcorn pre-positioned, plus Starbucks’ Ceti Alpha V Christmas coffee.

Anthony Perez
>>125612948

Stay up? Heck i just woke up after 3 hours sleeping...it's 1250am and I'm thinking of making coffee to watch Cassie react to this. UPDATE...it is now 332am and I am smiling at Cassie needing both hands to do the Vulcan salute. Now I can finally go to sleep.

Nealan Inouye

Does this mean we get to look forward to watching the rest of the Star Trek movie franchise?

Super Powered Design (Jim)

So I just saw this two months ago in a theater, followed by a Q&A with William Shatner! It was so cool! Shatner definitely thought he was a stand up comedian, because he had whole stories that had nothing to do with the movie, lol. He pranced around the stage like a comedian. But it was still a treat. At 90 years old, he looked and sounded like he was 50! He talked about going up in the BEZOS rocket, and what he described was amazing. He talked about how SPACE was so blank and void, it made him so much more amazing EARTH is. Quite the experience.

Powers209
>>125610706

Yeah, I was heading to bed but had to stop and watch this movie again. Just to watch the movie with Cassie and to hit the posts. Has anyone warned Cassie that only Even Star Trek movies are good? I'm willing to watch Trek:3 to get ready for Trek 4: The Voyage Home but I don't know if I can swing Trek:5 again... but I'm really looking forward to watching Trek:6 The Undiscovered Country. I have it tied to Wrath of Khan as my favorite movies.

Alex

I won't spoil anything, but the title of the next movie is The Search for Spock... Deduce from that what you will

Uncle Phoenix

It’s been so long since I’ve watched this movie. I am surprised at how well the writing has held up. Much better than some of the costume designs. (Cassie laughing at the superior intellect’s fashion sense was painful, but it does explain why I have never seen a Trekkie dressed up like Khan.)

Mike LL
>>125613019

I for one can’t wait for the Trek 3 reaction and wonder if she will recognise Christopher Lloyd in the movie.

Mike LL

This is surely one of the most waited for and highly anticipated reactions on the channel. At least for me, anyway. LOL. It is the middle of the night but I have to wait to watch the whole thing. Can they hear me scream in Space?

Todzilla

I was "Team Cassie Watching the TOS" all along, and I'm glad she did. The payoff was worth it.

Shawn Kildal

Cassie, I know it's a long shot but maybe squeeze in the episode Journey to Babel S2 E10 before the next movie. Not saying do a reaction video, but perhaps just a simple viewing on your own. It introduces two key characters that return in the next 2 movies played by same actors. It is the best episode of detailing Spock's youth growing up and his relationship with his parents. Such a great character development episode for Spock and a tremendous episode all around. It's not an essential viewing, but definitely gives insight behind who Spock was.

Shawn Kildal

James Horner did the score for this movie. He also did Titanic, Aliens, Field of Dreams, Apollo 13, Braveheart, Avatar, A Beautiful Mind among many others. The music in this movie was fantastic!

Patrick Flanagan
>>125612239

They published some prequel novels about young Khan and the Eugenics Wars and in one there's a scene where Khan has a hidden island fortress and he greets his captives wearing an immaculate white suit and welcomes them to his island.

Shawn Kildal

Sadly, the actress who played Marla McGivers (Khan's wife), Madlyn Rhue, was suffering from multiple sclerosis at the time Wrath of Khan was shooting.

Pianodean
>>125613019

I'll be odd too...ST III is my personal favorite. I've never in any way seen it as inferior to ANY of the others.

JPDotCom23

Interesting thing about the Chekov character, he wasn't in the first season of the original 'Star Trek', he also wasn't in the 'Space Seed' episode, so how could they remember each other?

Shawn Kildal
>>125616445

I wish she had done a few more, but I'm so grateful she did the ones she did do. To me it would have been so perfect if Journey to Babel, The Doomsday Machine, and of course Mirror, Mirror would have also made the cut.

JPDotCom23

Mr. Saavik is played by Kirstie Alley, famous for her role as Rebecca Howe on the tv series 'Cheers', and as John Travolta's co-star in the 'Look Who's Talking' movies.

Bryan Fritchie
>>125610963

I believe most people would rate them pretty close to: 4, 6, 2, 3, 1, 5. It's fairly well established that the even numbered movies are the better ones. So if you want to say 3 is the best of the odds, then ok.

John Liebling

Cassie, we can't give you spoilers...remember this is science fiction. Don't google, just watch #3 as soon as you can and you'll get your answer, one way or another.

John Liebling
>>125615368

Well, two months ago Shatner was 92...he will be 93 in March of 2024. He's always had amazing energy. Too bad Nimoy was a smoker.

Christopher B.

Heh, Cassie is going to lose it when she sees the title for Star Trek 3. Also: I hope Cassie watches up through Star Trek 6, as that one is my personal favorite (yes, even more than ST2!!).

John Liebling

Not sure what your plans are regarding the rest of the star trek movies. #3 will give you answers, and #4 will give you answers based on #3. #5 is considered the worst of the six, and it was directed by Shatner. #6 is interesting in the real time geopolitical realities of 1991...the Sovie Union finally collapsed. #3 will also have another actress playing Savik...Crystie Ally will be given the boot. And you've seen back to the future. Doc Brown is in Star Trek #3...I am referring to Christopher Lloyd. He plays the Klingon villain. Though Khan is seen as the worst or best Star Trek villain.

John Liebling

There are three rebooted Star Treks with Chris Pine...the first is a new origin story and #2 deals with a different kind of Khan.

John Liebling

If you'd like to watch some of the Next Generation movies, you'll need to watch some of the episodes, especially dealing with the Borg. First Contact was a very good movie, the others not so much. Next Generation was the one your dad used to watch. It was on TV from 1987-1994. And if that is your future plan, I would also suggest you watch some Voyager episodes, because they devel into the development of the Borg, with a new character called 7 of 9. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it would become so by watching those episodes. At some future time, I am sure many PIB Patrons will be able to suggest which Next Generation and which Voyager episodes will help you to best appreciate the First Contact movie.

ENC SW DV Rush

Another great reaction. Always nice to see how insightful Cassie is. Looking fwd to watching ST 3, 4, & 6 and the new ones with Chris Pine (Since I had grown up with the original cast - it took a little getting used to the new crew). ST has a much larger show base with all the spin offs - you could get lost in watching them all. While ST3 isn't one of my favorites - it is definitely necessary to be watched if you plan on continuing with the whole series. Its not bad though and definitely has its moments. Ironically, before he became Dr "Bones" McCoy, DeForest Kelly, he played in a LOT of older western shows, snd was a prolific actor starting his career dating back to 1945. For many of the actors in the original ST, that defined their careers. I started watching it with the directors cut and had to switch over to theatrical version.

shireknight
>>125619311

I agree, 2 is my favourite, but 5 and 6 are right up there, both of them being amazing character driven pieces.

Stick Figure Studios

Well, this was everything one could want from a WRATH OF KHAN reaction. Thank you, Cassie. I figured you'd like this one (it's a terrific movie) and I knew Spock's sacrifice would hit you hard (just as it did everybody who saw it in 1982), but I also knew that you'd want to watch the third movie almost immediately to see what comes next. My suggestion is to keep going and watch all 6 of the original films (including the fifth one which is universally considered the weakest one, but which I still think you will enjoy). Warp speed ahead!

Stick Figure Studios
>>125619609

Personally, I think Cassie should jump from ST 6 to the new JJ Abrams movies before continuing in with NEXT GENERATION, but that's just me.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125619816

I think Cassie will really like the new Kelvin movies. I think she shoukd watch those three immediately after finishing UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY before she continues on with NEXT GENERATION.

Shawn Kildal
>>125619430

Why on earth would give away such a spoiler for the 2nd movie you mentioned??? That makes no sense. Any chance you could delete your post???

ENC SW DV Rush
>>125620330

Disagree with the 5th one (literally will NEVER watch that one again - its that bad IMO),... but concur with the rest

Stick Figure Studios
>>125613019

It doesn't deserve hate, but it's a messy movie. I still like it, but it's definitely the weakesr of the 2-3-4 trilogy.

Roger Hagerty

Really enjoyed watching this one with you. Keeping with Star Trek movie tradition... the next one sucks. ;)

Shawn Kildal

The young engineer who died on the medical table was actually Scottie's nephew. In the Director's Cut and the novel, it details that information. Which helps explain why Scotty was so upset over his death.

Rod Reavern

It's wonderful to watch how strongly Cassie cared about Kirk and Spock after only a handful of episodes and 2 movies. This is why Wrath of Khan is universally considered the best Star Trek film. It was certainly a bold decision to make for a sci-fi franchise that hadn't killed off any of the main characters, and most of all for fan favourite: Spock. I agree with Cassie that Star Trek's characters are better developed compared to Star Wars and most other sci-fi. I suppose that's to be expected from a TV series adapted to movies, whereas Star Wars is a movie saga only recently adapted to the small screen. Fans grow more familiar and more attached to Star Trek's characters, and therefore care more.

Shawn Kildal
>>125621079

For those of us who were kids in the '70s and watched each episode probably a dozen times over we became truly invested in these characters way before the movies came out.

shireknight

Sorry Cassie I'm brand new to your Patreon. I want to watch this with you this afternoon but can you tell me the running time of your version please so I can find the same one you are watching, because at the moment all I can see is the 1h 56m one, which as your watch-along is only 1h 53m long and also contains introduction and ending dialogue is clearly not the same version as the one you are watching lol. Edit: OK I got it, I dusted off my old DVD collection and in there I found a copy of the 1h 51m version, so you must be watching that one ha ha. You know you could make things a little easier by not blurring out the picture so much, so that if the viewer does have a different version it's easier for us to synch back up with you again :-)

Choof

Fantastic reaction Cassie. It's great to see you so heavily invested already and I'm sure you'll really enjoy 3, 4, and even 5. 6 is my 2nd favorite after this one and I hope that your interest and the viewer numbers get you there and even beyond with the Next Generation movies (you'd probably need 3-4 episodes of preparation work just like the Original Series) and then the Chris Pine reboot movies which I'm sure you'll love too

Odd Thomas

I can't wait for 4, that's the best one imo. 6 is really good too (by the same director of Wrath of Khan)

Brian Lowery

Fun fact: That physique of Ricardo Montalbān’s, chest included, was all him. He was a fitness fanatic all through his life, and kept in phenomenal shape.

Clay F

I keep picturing Ricardo Montleban (Khan) as Mr. Roarke of the 70s TV series Fantasy Island I watched as a kid. Kirstie Alley (of Cheers fame) who played the female Vulcan Saavik died of cancer a year ago at the age of 71. R.I.P. I suggest watching the latest Star Trek trilogy (w/Chris Pine).

Walter
>>125619816

I have to say, Kirk and Spock are the rare instances where I have watched 3 different actors play the parts, and I have enjoyed all 3 (the original, of course, the new movies, and in Star Trek Strange New Worlds).

Mike LL
>>125622273

Actually Cassie does not watch end credits of movies, which is one reason why her reaction videos might differ from the length of the movies she watches. She watched Wrath of Khan on Paramount+, so she is watching the standard theatrical version.

Chris Davis

I saw this a child during it's first Theatrical run and since they have removed an important scene, in my opinion, anyway. I know it's in the director's cut, though. The young engineer's mate who dies is actually Scottie's nephew.

shireknight
>>125622273

Yep I took that into account :-) She's definitely watching the director's edition though. My copy is the Directors edition and comparing both our versions, at the 1h 49:19 timecode on Cassies version both copies are definitely changing from a close up of Kirk, to the planet and then to a wideshot of the bridge crew. I don't know what this strange 1h 56m version is I've found on a download site but I can only assume it's an old NSTC version that's been uploaded by someone and it is running at a slightly different speed from how modern uploads do nowdays.

Dean Holt
>>125622894

6 & 2 are my favourites and then 4, but I really think Cassie will love 4 for lots of reasons. But I can see her really liking the last 3 films with the Chris Pines crew.

thansen
>>125620330

I don't like Final Frontier much at all. I have watched it at least three times now in hopes I am missing something and my opinion has not changed. I do like that Shatner seemed to want to give all the other actors more screen time. But that's about the only good thing I can say about it.

Matt Rose
>>125610963

disagree. From what I've seen, most people rate them 2, 6, 4, 3, 5, 1

Tim Raths
>>125619115

“We can’t give you spoilers.” But you spoiled a movie a few posts above.

Matt Rose
>>125615936

Not just the writing...the overall script structure is perfect. Meyer's direction is also incredibly on point.

Mike LL

Ooh, that was one fantastic reaction. Cassie could never imagine how she would tear up at the finale of the second Star Trek movie. And she is right what she said in her outro, Star Trek does characters much much better than Star Wars ever did. And her outro imagining of a new ending, lets say took on a new dimensional quality that she has never reached before!

Steve Holton
>>125624492

Saturday Night Live also did a sketch with "Khan" as a guest star. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpPgavT5am4 This was after the huge success of Star Trek 4 and William Shatner was invited to host. His opening sketch roasting some overzealous Star Trek fans (Below) was hilarious and a little controversial. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmagzq The main punch line from this sketch became one of William Shatner's next book titles and a recurring motif in Star Trek fan culture.

sharkey197

Cassie said she did not accept it. Well, neither did the fans! You could not imagine the outpouring of outrage when this first came out. Fortunately, Leonard Nimoy who had taken the job on the condition that they would kill him off, changed his mind about continuing with the role of Spock. He also finagled two directoral jobs on the series. Cassie was very smart to pick up on the 'remember' bit. She will definitely see how this plays out in the next film.

Gábor Árki

This was a wonderful reaction. I think it really shows how watching some episodes and the first movie and getting familiar with the characters enhanced Cassie's experience. She might have been surprised to find herself so emotional during a Star Trek movie, and probably wouldn't have believed if someone had told her that a few weeks ago. I hope Cassie remained strong and didn't read up on the remaining movies. Also, a suggestion: maybe putting out this reaction to YouTube should be postponed until watching the third movie in order to avoid potential spoilers during the live chat. Some may have said too much in the comments here already. Cassie, regarding the 🖖 symbol, I think the trick is to open your thumb wide when you spread your hand, and then bend only your middle and ring fingers to form the gap. At the same time, relax or slightly push back your index and little fingers to keep them close together. To answer some of the questions, although Gene Roddenberry was the creator and visionary of the original series, but he did not write everything in detail like Tolkien did. Many other writers added to the lore and shaped the universe in a lot of ways. The alien languages were quite rudimentary at the begging and changed and evolved over time. For example, Klingon became so complex over the decades that you can learn to speak and write it today. You can easily find online translators and dictionaries for it. As for addressing Alley's character "Mr. Saavik", it may seem odd to modern viewers. The reason for this choice was that the filmmakers were simply not sure how to properly address female officers because that wasn't a thing in the 80s. They thought that using Mr. would imply equality and respect. In later iterations of Star Trek films and shows female officers were addressed as Ms., ma'am, or simply by their rank.

shireknight
>>125622273

Yep she was, I realised what was happening now and it was a complete nightmare for me (because I'm in the UK) but with a bit of fiddling about I finally managed to watch it all. But my initial plans of using my DVD's for the times when I can't find online versions of the movies I want to watch isn't going to work, because our PAL versions run at a slightly faster speed than they do in the USA/Canada.

Art of Free Speech

I LOVED this reaction... At the start you said you wouldn't have believed us if we told you you'd like a Star Trek movie 5 years ago. What if we told you you'd shed literal tears at the death of a Star Trek character? You'd have called us stark raving mad. I just thought I'd point out, when nerds get together and talk about how best to handle the death of an iconic character, the death of Spock is often cited as the best way to handle it and the best handled death of any iconic character in film history.

Robin T

I'd just like to say to all the people who doubted Cassie would like Star Trek... TBTHHHBBBBBBBBBBBBBT!! 😂😁

Stick Figure Studios
>>125620330

I've never thought 5 was as bad as everyone else said it was and definitely not deserving of vitriol. I mean, it's not good (and certainly the worst of the original movies), but this cast has such wonderful chemistry that they are always worth watching and I'd still rather wstch the worst Trek movie with this crew than the best Trek movie with the TNG crew. Like with the STAR WARS prequels and sequels, Cassie deserves to see it for herself and make up her own mind. I predict it'll be her least favorite Trek film, but she'll still enjoy it.

John Liebling
>>125619430

You think let her know there's a different Khan, because Ricardo is dead, is a spoiler? I didn't mention anything about who is playing the part, or the plot line, or what's going on with Chris Pine. Second Pine movie is 31 years after Wrath of Khan.

Gábor Árki
>>125619430

There is a reason he goes by another name for a large portion of the movie. It is an important twist, and they've gone great lengths hiding it and denying when such rumors surfaced during its production. It is certainly meant to be a surprise for the viewers.

Yaisu

I always looked at wrath of khan to be the start of the star trek trilogy. It starts here and ends with a voyage home

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff
>>125612239

That's hilarious, one of these days I'll finally get around to reading some of those books, and some of the Star Wars books too. I remember in school a lot of my friends gushing over Heir to the Empire. But then again I still haven't read Dune either, man I gotta start reading again.

Steve Holton
>>125619816

For the original series the studio was so concerned about DeForest Kelly's association and recognizability as a veteran TV western villain they decided to solve the problem by giving him a new haircut. So, to make him seem more like a "Good Guy" they gave him a haircut like the then recently martyred President Kennedy.

Jon Johns
>>125622894

I love 6 as well, which follows the formula of 1) fantastic actor chewing up scenery as the villain, and 2) giving the crew a chance to work together against a common foe.

Jon Johns
>>125618032

I believe you underestimate the power of scuttlebutt aboard any vessel. 🤣 (That crew spills tea like nobody else 😂)

Pianodean
>>125619609

I hope she does not watch JJ Trek...I do NOT like the reboot. We gotta get 'em to watch episodes like "Tapestry" and "Inner Light" "Best of Both Worlds" "Chain of Command"...good stuff

Bubba Fett

They beginning of why the even number star treks are the best. 2 4 6 and 8, I'll probably be in the minority but likely from growing up watching TNG, 8 is probably my favorite with 2 and 6 being tied for closr seconds.

pinkdino99

OK...OK...OK... You may be turning into Leo Getz.

David Freese

Once again thank you for doing Star Trek. This is a top tier reaction.Hope we continue doing it for a long time.🖖

Scott Macaulay

OMG OMG OMG. Best birthday present ever!!! Hint: The answer to your question isin the title of the next movie. Live long and prosper!!

Uncle Phoenix
>>125612239

Dune is such an awesome read. Similar to Harry Potter, you realize so much good stuff got left out.

thansen
>>125641736

If she really liked Star Trek she would be knee keep watching the entire TOS.

Uncle Phoenix
>>125615936

I loved Meyer’s BTS interview about Khan; and how he had to coach William Shatner and Ricardo Montalban. You can really see that lack of support in the other movies.

Uncle Phoenix
>>125616358

There are tons of movies out there; but there are few great movies out there. Movies that really resonate with audiences.

Steve Holton

Star Trek is often at its best when drawing upon impactful literary references to enrich a story. Here the tale of revenge and obsession is enhanced with direct quotes from Moby Dick: “To the last I grapple with thee; from Hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee,” And the paraphrased speech from Kahn mirroring Ahab’s obsession with the white whale (They kept “Perdition’s flames”): “I'll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round perdition's flames before I give him up!” But the most endearing references are of course to Charles Dickens classic “A Tale Of Two Cities”, a book which Spock gifts to Kirk on his birthday. It frames their story perfectly, opening with the first line of that novel: “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times” And ends with the final speech from the novel: “It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known” Of course, Cassie’s reaction was amazing and exceeded any great expectations 😊

John Liebling
>>125621079

I was 8 watching them all for the first time in 1966. Took a while to warm up to Next Generation. First year wasn't so great...after that yes indeed.

Astraeos
>>125641736

I'm a massive Trekkie, but TOS is a slog to sit through for modern audiences. And I even love tons of older movies from the 60's. I totally respect anybody who just cant get into TOS. Its absolutely super dated. I've never even watched all of it myself.

Cody Nelson

Is she watching the Director's cut or the theatrical version?

Astraeos
>>125610963

If she watches Voyage Home, guaranteed gonna be her favorite. Its close to being mine from the TOS era.

Bryan Fritchie
>>125610963

First, you just rearranged the evens and the odds, but my point remains the same -- the even numbered movies are better. Second, most people here seem to think Cassie's going to like 4 the best which seems to line up more with my rankings. Either way, 3 is typically seen as the fourth best movie of the six.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125641736

@thansen: That's absurd. You can like something and still not be so obsessed with it that you feel the need to consume everything that's connected to it (I love STAR TREK and I still haven't seen every episode of TOS or of TNG). She watched four episodes of TOS (it was originally to be three but she added a fourth *because* she enjoyed it) before doing the movies. To do every episode of TOS would just be too time-consuming considering she has OTHER things she wants to watch as well as having a life and family that deserves her attention. As a huge Bond fan, I could've said "if she really liked Bond, she'd watch ALL of the Connery films," but I didn't because who are we to decide who is/isn't the "real fans?" We don't need that kind of gatekeeping here in this community.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125622894

I think she'll like them all (yes, even 5). Some more than others of course, but she loves these characters and that's one aspect you can enjoy about every Trek film.

Anthony Oberhauser

Star Trek has always been about the relational dynamics between the characters no matter what ST series you’re watching. It’s because we connect and relate to these characters and their relationships that have kept this franchise going for 50+ years. Sure the sci-fi part is fun but that’s the canvas on which the characters and their relationships are developed on. I’m glad you enjoyed it Cassie; ST2 is a classic sci-fi movie and is the quintessential movie of all the Star Trek features.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125619609

Oh, she's definitely gonna watch the Abrams movies. She's already expressed excitement over getting there eventually (partially due no doubt to the fact that she is actually familiar with the scripts on those ones) and I look forward to her seeing them. I enjoyed them (or at least the first and third one) and I think she will too.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125619430

Bad form, John. I've accidentally spoiled things myself in the past so I get how it can happen, but even I know not to do this. This is "Spoiler 101." It would be like telling Cassie that Christoph Waltz played Blofeld in SPECTRE before she watched it.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125619115

Yes, you did. Our only hope is that Cassie either doesn't see your comment or completely forgets about it by the time she eventually does get around to seeing the Kelvin movies.

Lamar Smith

Dearest Cassie, did you receive something in your PO Box from McKenzie and I?

Brent Fugett

Yay!!!!! My favorite of the Trek films!!! And Cassie you're playing on my Christmas present; an iPad Pro. So real I found myself answering you. 🤣 Roddenberry. Yep, and they developed the Klingon language as well. And your reaction to Ricardo Montelbàn's physique. Yes we reacted the same in the theaters and yes that's all Ricardo. Very much physically fit. 😉 And the ending.... We had the same reaction to that too. I still don't think I'm fully healed from that. Especially watching your reaction. Thanks as always Cassie for doing these! Happy New Year!!!

Katie Jackson
>>125622460

Yes! I hope Cassie continues into The Next Generation! She will probably get even more out of that one since she remembers bits and pieces from when her parents watched it.

Will C
>>125620330

I've tried over the years a few times to re-watch 5 because I know a lot of passion went into that movie but....yeah can't get through it

Gary W

For those die-hard Trekkies (Trekkers), you might have noticed that Mr. Sulu seems to get cut off while he's talking to Captain Kirk about going aboard the Enterprise during their shuttle ride to the ship. It's rather abrupt, and you can just tell there was more to it. Thankfully, someone figured it out, and you can hear the entire conversation in a YouTube video titled: "Sulu's Missing Scene from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" Enjoy!

Katie Jackson

I loved the reaction as usual! I do hope you continue with the movies and into The Next Generation movies. You will need to watch probably 4 episodes of the TNG series before you watch the movies just like before. The 5th movie is the weakest and isn't essential to the others, so you can skip that one if you want to. I would definitely recommend the 6th movie which is the last for the original cast before The Next Generation movies begin. I do hope you can squeeze these in. Even if we have to take breaks in between. It's a very large franchise that will actually be celebrating It's 60th anniversary in 2026!

nick bell

But he tasks me...

Gábor Árki
>>125666414

I also think she would enjoy the 5th. The story and execution are lacking, but there are some good character moments. I think for Cassie that would be enough to have a good time with the movie, just like she did with Rocky 5. But I won't fall into my sword if it is skipped. For TNG I think 6 episodes would be better suited for a decent sampling. THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS is one of the best and kind of an important one due to First Contact and would take up 2 slots already.

Brian McGovern

Damn that was a good reaction. Cracked up laughing with Kahn disrobing”HELLO!” She knows the m’s fighting words with, “They do such great characters, dare I say better than Star Wars. I said what I said” That ‘s a bold declaration, Cassie. Going to ruffle a few feathers on You Tube if not in the Patreon comments. Kudos for going there. I am sure it has been mentioned, Saavik is played by Kirstie Alley from Cheers and Look who’s talking. So many people from this movie have now passed on, James Horner ( music), Kirstie Alley, Ricardo montalban, de Forrest Kelly, Michelle Nichols, the guy who played David, Merrit Butrick. Died at 29 too. Ricardo Montalban, you may remember played the bad guy from The Naked Gun, although you may have tried to forget that movie.

Brian McGovern
>>125622894

One reason being seeing the mother from 7th Heaven after recognising the father in the original movie.

Crassus
>>125619311

The two that Nick Meyer did were hands down the best. I personally think I'd edge out 6 (it was the first one I saw in theaters), because of how big it was, related to it being an allegory for the fall of the Soviet Union. (The movie has a lot more to say to us in that respect), but 2 and 6 are both so good that its quibbling over small things to say one is better than the other.

John Liebling
>>125619115

Just because I said in bold lettering that William Shatner is Voldemort's illegitimate sister, that does not mean I've spoiled anything, and by continuing to be dishonest about what I posted, you three will be forced to go on vacation with Amber Turd. Oh, by the way, about 30 years ago I had a pitch meeting with Nicholas Meyers, needless to say that meeting was a short 5 minutes and he passed on my idea. Suggesting I should talk to Berman and the rest of the creative Next Generation team...that meeting never took place. I've written a few screenplays, not sold any, and currently putting the finishing touches on my 115,000-word science fiction Novel...But I am sure most of you are not interested in that. So, let's agree, that I am write/right and you're wrong...because we all know I am never wrong and you who disagree with me neither have a sense of humor, nor are ever right. Remember this subject matter we are all reacting too and reading, is incredibly serious. It truly is a matter of life and death. Don't forget I don't have a sense of humor; I am always serious about everything I post. The moon is made out of cheese. Hogwarts is real. And LeBron James has very little longevity in the NBA.

John Liebling
>>125622894

Not a good idea bringing up the father of 7th Heaven. Didn't have the heart to tell her, but I am sure you know why that bum's name should not be mentioned.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125666414

The ROCKY 5 analogy is a good one. That was her least favorite ROCKY movie, but she was sTill glad she watched it.

John Liebling
>>125641736

It's a mixed bag. The best of the original is better than the best of other series, and the bad episode from the original is a hell of a lot worst, except for the one episode from Next Generation which Jonathan Frakes believes should be deleted for good, and never shown again.

John Liebling
>>125666414

We don't want her to dislike 5 so much she won't watch 6. Remember she tried one Austin Powers movie and that was it. Not sure who recommended that one for her, I never thought she would appreciate that sort of humor. I do. But Cassie is too much of a lady for that sort of crudity.

Shawn Kildal
>>125617287

Don't know if anyone has seen The House of Sand and Fog but also a tremendous James Horner soundtrack as well.

John Liebling
>>125669509

Butrick died only 7 years after Wrath of Khan. His last two film titles are ironic. 1989 TV film: From The Dead of Night and 1989 theatrical film: Death Spa.

Keith Jones

So happy you watched this, the strength of this movie is it has so many themes, revenge, loss, service, sacrifice, father/son, and more, but it weaves them together so well, we should be happy to get two, maybe three in a movie. The use of "Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens "The needs of the many..." and "Far better resting place" and Khans Shakespeare quotes are amazing. I saw this in theater when it came out, cried then, still cry every time. Just a note, The young man in engineering the stayed at his post was Scotty's nephew, the director cut shows that, and I think it not being in the cinema cut was the only thing wrong with this movie. Wrath got Star Trek so right, adventure and making you think, once again we usually are happy to get one of those, but this gave us what so many of the TV episodes did, adventure and depth. So happy you liked it, great reaction, and i'm counting the days till you do Star Trek 3.

MotoDork

FYI that actually was Ricardo Montalban's chest. He was a boxer in his youth. Also, now you know why we love this film, and Star Trek in general.

Christopher B.
>>125619311

FINALLY!!! Someone else that likes ST5 as much as I do (@shireknight)! Yes it’s flawed, but it’s also so endearing to me, and does actually touch on some important life questions. I just wish Shatner had been given more budget and time to bring his vision to full fruition, that way all Trek fans could agree without argument that Star Trek Nemesis is hands down the worst Trek movie ever.

Andrew Rose

This was an absolute joy to watch Cassie's reaction to this movie. So cool as part of an older generation to watch someone fall in love with this series the way we did in our younger years. Great reaction Cassie! Loved it!!

JarHead0351

I am more and always been a Star Trek fan more than a Star Wars fan, even thro I like Star Wars. Great Reaction to a great Star Trek movie... Can't wait you watch more Star Trek

Robin T
>>125666414

Yeah no for TNG we're going to need at LEAST 8-12 episodes hehe. For one thing there's more of it and more that ties into the movies. For another, as someone else pointed out here (can't remember who), for TNG the series is really the important part and the movies are more of a bonus feature. I think for the original cast the show and movies are very different things, and a few episodes of the show as a primer are fine, but the films basically stand on their own. But for TNG the show is the main dish and if she wants to follow that with a couple movies for dessert that's fine too ;)

Brian's Dog

I have a coworker with the last name Khan in another state, and every time I finish talking to him on the phone i do the "KHAN!!!!" thing after I hang up. I even try to do the subtle rage shake while doing it.

Katie Jackson
>>125666414

I don't think we'll ever get more than a few TNG episodes and then the movies. I'm personally fine with that considering her schedule. And while I agree that the series is amazing and of course makes the movies a richer experience, you can still truly enjoy the TNG movies without having to watch a large amount of the series. In fact you'll find many reactors who have done just that. I for one would rather have some TNG than none.

Just Plain Bob
>>125683497

I am right there with you. I loved the original Star Wars trilogy, but Star Trek will always come first in my heart. Captain Kirk, Spock and Bones are just more interesting characters than Luke, Leia and Han. And, on the whole, the stories told in the original tv series and first six films are just better and far more thought provoking.

MertzRocks
>>125623730

Montalban had to watch Space Seed again while he was learning / rehearsing his lines for this movie because he sounded too much like Mr. Roarke, rather than like the villainous Khan.

MertzRocks
>>125638664

In the original series, all crew were always addressed as "Mister"; male or female makes no difference. The only exception I can think of is one instance where Spock said, "Vulcan has no moon, Miss Uhura." That was also kind of an informal conversation, even though it was on the bridge.

Will C

Better than Star Wars ? Ouch. 😓 I mean I love me some Trek but….

Shawn Kildal
>>125669509

Practically everyone who had a somewhat significant role in this movie has passed on with the exception of the actors who played Kirk, Chekov and Sulu

Mark Vaderr

Cassie, your Star Wars comment was made while you were under High Intense Emotional Distress. You could never turn your back on Hans.

Gábor Árki
>>125638664

Were they? I think they used "Sir", but I don't recall "Mister" being used for women. Although I'm not that familiar with the original series.

Gábor Árki
>>125666414

With 178 episodes it would require 89 reaction slots. That would take more than 1,5 years if a third of the PiB schedule is sacrificed for it. I'm fine with avoiding such long series as well and rather have good variety on movies instead.

Scott Macaulay
>>125695094

Star Wars jocks lose another to the more intelligent, nerdy Trek. Cassie loves the sensitive guys lol

Katie Jackson
>>125666414

I think the TNG episodes that absolutely have to be watched are Q Who The Best Of Both Worlds Part 1 & 2 Family Then maybe some character development episodes like The Measure Of A Man Second Chances The Offspring Yesterday's Enterprise Sarak The Drumhead The Inner Light

Jon Freezin-Rain

"You could never turn your back on Hans." ..or his skates 😁

Robin T
>>125638664

Glad you mentioned the language comment. The most important person involved with Star Trek's languages is Marc Okrand. He created the Klingon language starting with STIII and also wrote the Vulcan dialogue in this movie (which btw was dubbed over a scene originally spoken in English - if you watch their lips carefully they're just saying exactly what the subtitles say!). There is a FASCINATING must-watch video of Okrand discussing his involvement which I first saw as a DVD bonus feature and is now available on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/e5Did-eVQDc?si=rkQQtKQYXkHga0vf

Robin T
>>125620330

Well first of all I'm in favor of watching all of them. To me reactions aren't about just getting someone to like the stuff I like, but getting honest responses from a different perspective, warts and all. But I have to say character is precisely my problem with V. The story, at least the broad outlines of it, is quite good, and perfect subject matter for the series. And, some rushed VFX near the end notwithstanding, it looks just fantastic thanks to all the extra cash from IV's success. Where it misses is the little stuff. Awkward, "Lucasian" dialogue. Stiff direction from Shatner. And the cast suffers the most from all that stuff. They are bizarrely out-of-character sometimes. They aren't shot in flattering ways, their performances aren't paced in flattering ways. Motivations become outright nonsensical at times. And I think that explains the vitriol - it's not that it's especially bad overall, but the specific ways that it's bad sometimes feel disrespectful to the characters we love, and so people take its badness personally.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125666414

She liked the first AUSTIN POWERS. As far as I know, she intends to watch the sequels. She just hasn't gotten around to it yet. I think you underestimate how enjoyable Star Trek 5 can be for someone like Cassie. Even if it turns out to be her least favorite of the franchise (like Rocky 5 was), it's not going to stop her from going on to 6, especially given how highly praised 6 is by everybody here.

Stick Figure Studios
>>125620330

That's good that you're in favor of her watching all of them because there are some people on this threat suggesting she actually skipped five, which I think would be a mistake.

Aaron Taft

THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!! I'm sorry my child... its true.

Rick Williams

Cassie. You cried watching a Star Trek movie. Who would have thought that would ever happen? Great movie. Great Reaction. I think you get better with age. You are in your mid 30's now. Hard to believe. I remember when you first started. You were so young and innocent. Time flies when you're having fun. You never would have believed you would like Star Wars and Star Trek.

Jason Chirevas
>>125618032

At convention appearances, Walter Koenig used to say Chekov was in the bathroom for most of Space Seed and then act out the scenario in which Khan runs into him and vows never to forget his face.

Terry Yelmene

The 'Wrath of Kahn' is truly one of the greatest space sci-fi movies of all time. "The needs of the many 'outweigh' the needs of the few... or the 'one'." Don't cry Cassie... Boldly go on. And, Long Live Spock!

ArsTropica

Another great reaction from Cassie. Thanks for doing it justice!

danzthename

Really looking forward to your reaction to ST III !

Richard Maurer

My third full reaction watch with Cassie this weekend and another great one.

John Liebling
>>125619816

Of course, I know that, but I did not write that, because of the implication of spoiling, and of course Cassie doesn't know that or the significance of what that will mean moving forward. Those who think I spoiled anything are mistaken, they are inferring and implying what was not done, because they are assuming their wealth of Star Trek knowledge is something that Cassie already possess, and that is not true. Cassie is not yet aware of most of the Star Trek universe which took place after the Undiscovered Country. It would be fun later in the year if she decides to watch some Next Generation and Voyager episodes starting with 7 of 9. Concentrating on primarily Borg episodes would give her glimpse into a Star Trek she will not experience with any of the first 6 films or any of the Chris Pine movies.

John Liebling

You think Cassie would like Time After Time? Directed by Nicholas Meyers. You've also got a connection to Star Trek VI and Generations. I wonder if PIB community thinks she'd like it, if she should watch it before Star Trek 6 or Generations. Though I am less hopeful she'll want to watch episodes of Next Generation let alone any of their movies. Though I certainly feel she'd enjoy First Contact.

Mike Gallagher

Thank you for this. I'm a casual Trek fan, but rewatching the original series shows and movies with you and Jen Murray has been amazing for more than the usual reason. It reminded me of something I'd forgotten. My late mother, not usually into sci-fi, really liked Star Trek (original crew). It brought back memories of her explaining the premise when I was very young and later when the movies came out watching them with her. The experience has been priceless and I'm unable to do it justice with words. Thank you.

Jack Pflieder

Just one of the best sci-fi movies of all time. Get watching it with you.

JRCortez

Wonderful reaction. I wish you had watched the director's cut. It does give a little more backstory about the crew, especially one of your favorites......

Michael Enos

I personally would like her to watch Time After Time. There is definitely a good love story. And TAT is an all time favorite of mine.

Jason Chirevas

When you’re a kid, the Spock stuff hits. When you’re an adult, the Spock stuff really hits. And when you’re almost 50, the Spock stuff hits just as much as always but a little differently…and then the Kirk/David scene just lays you low. One of the best Cassie reactions ever. It’s wonderful to see her enjoying these characters to this degree.

Robin T
>>125997463

Love that movie. Wonderful performances by McDowell and Warner (and how funny that they both went on to major Star Trek appearances).

Randolph Tirazona

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few... Or the one.

Jayson Phillips

True story: Gene Rodenberry got all his ideas for Star Trek was from a person that could channel alien leaders and he was hired to take down the mins of the session. This was in the 40's or 50's i cant rem but he said that almost all of the stuff he heard was ao incredible he had to make a story out of it. So he made Star Trek

Dustin Denner

Midshipman First Class Peter Preston was Scotty's nephew (his sister's youngest son), which is why he carried him up to the bridge and why he was crying for him in sickbay. The explanation was cut in the theatrical version, but reinserted for the director's cut.

Brian O'Grady

The screenplay for this movie is so good. I was 13 when I saw this in the theater, so I only payed attention to the action. But now I can appreciate how they used the Genesis device at the heart of the story to highlight the theme of death and rebirth which, mirrors the arc of Kirk's character in this movie. At the beginning he is an Admiral, feeling past his prime, no longer commanding a starship. By then end he feels young again (rebirth), having defeated Khan and gaining a son. Also the literary tie-ins were so well done, with Spock taking the role of Carton from Dicken's "Tale of Two Cities," which is the book he gives Kirk for his birthday. Spock then sacrifices his own life, as Carton did, for the "needs of the many." Kirk reminds us of this at the end by reciting Carton, "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done."

BRT

"There, I said it" Couldn't agree more. As much as I have enjoyed Star Wars over the years, I have always identified with and appreciated the characters of Star Trek more. I've never shed a tear over SW but Trek has elicited them many times. Concerning this film, I love Ricardo Montalban's portrayal of Khan. Everything you'd want in an obsessively crazed arch villain, and he is so adept at allowing his emotions and inner dialog to wash over his face. Not many people could have pulled that off without it devolving into a complete velveta cheesy mess, but Monalban takes it about as far as anyone could take it and manages to kepp it worthy of a delicious fine cheese board . The end of that final vapid soliloquy "With my last breath I SPIT at thee!" is brilliant🎉🥳🎉👏👏👏 That is quickly overshadowed by the self sacrifice of Spock, the reiteration of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or one" but most importantly "I have been and always shall be your friend" it's a genius bit that encapsulates the entire body of Star Trek into that one moment. It was a similar experience when Leonard Nimoy retired from public life in a speech at his final Star Trek convention appearance, culminating in the familiar Vulcan hand gesture while wishing us all "Live long and prosper". For me, it was that same moment he had with Kirk. I have been and always shall be thankful to Nimoy for his contribution in developing and bringing the character of Spok to life, for giving so much of himself as an actor and for his respect and appreciation for the fans. I know Cassie has a busy and full schedule of movie viewing but this would be the perfect time to revisit Galaxy Quest because the underlying, heroic subtext would be much more clear and meaningful.

BRT
>>125750884

Now...she didn't say better than Star Wars, she said better at character details (paraphrasing). Many of us love both for different reasons. For myself, I have always identified more with the characters of Trek and, as Cassie said, "I feel like I know them" on a personal level. With Star Wars, it's always been appreciation and enjoyment as an observer.

BRT
>>125621079

Same for me. I actually didn't start watching TNG until season three.

JohnnyUtah

This was great. Loved it. Still a star wars guy but I can and do love both.

Chris Clarke

I don't think there's anyone who "gets" Star Trek who doesn't cry every time Spock dies. And James Horner's music is so perfect for the scene, both leading to and from it. That pit-of-the-stomach feeling when Kirk looks across at Spock's empty chair on the bridge...

Vak

It's been a hot minute, but I circle around to this film every few years. It was the perfect - accident? of a (relatively, compared to all of the others) low budget that forced creativity and character moments as they didn't have the budget for anything else, and a director who quickly figured out how to get the best performances imaginable out of his cast. Particularly Shatner, who's never been better as Kirk. He never, ever steps wrong in the final cut of this film. In 1982, the Best Actor nominees for the Oscar were an absolute murderer's row of Warren Beatty, Dudley Moore, freaking Paul Newman, freaking Henry Fonda, and absolutely freaking Burt Lancaster. And it could easily be argued that at LEAST 3/5 of that list was the Academy members' collective apology for skipping a few iconic roles. But in almost any other year, Shatner should have at least made the final cut for his work here. He's that good. Also...it's been 38 years, and I start crying every time Kirk shoots down the ladder in Engineering and the James Horner music swells. I mean, it's not exactly a spoiler - I know how this plot point ends - but it still gets me every time. It's possibly the best Kirk/Spock moment in the entire history of Trek. I just can't NOT tear up.