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OSPod 100 After-After Show-Show! (Patreon)

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The gang talks about timeloop stories and the absolute best interpretation of the beloved hero of the Legend of Zelda!

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Congratulations on your 100th episode of the After-After Show-Show!

Andrew P

Red, if you want a show recommendation for a time loops Trope Talk, I think you’d enjoy Revue Starlight. The time loop is a fairly small part of it, but it’s uniquely done (at least compared to the time loops I’ve seen and heard of). Also it’s a magical girl anime about theater kids, which I think might be at least somewhat appealing to you and especially Indigo.

Kellee Richards

I recently watched the Zelda cartoon myself, and...it's not *good*, make no mistake, but what's bad about it is entirely typical of cheap cash-in cartoons of the era, and the dialogue is genuinely fun at times. You can tell the people making it cared about what they were making in a "We want people to have fun watching this" sense--they just had no budget or freedom to make it actually good.

Christian Jolliff

Now I gotta go home and experience media recommended by indigo

Steven Justus

I just heard Stupendium on the Lightning Round, and I was compelled to tell you to listen to the Muppet Cypher

The Lonely Sand Person

Returnal is a pretty good Edge of Tomorrow-ish roguelike shooter. It has a lot of the same sensibilities as Stars and Time in that the main character Selene is not handling the time loop well, and also the planet is kind of... unstuck in time? so that she finds evidence not only of her past runs, but also future runs and potentially even alternate versions of herself.

Jason Veevaert

Red, as a fellow baby about horror stuff, you DON’T need to push yourself. I wouldn’t want you to make yourself uncomfortable for my interest or entertainment. Take care of yourself emotionally.

Robert Cook

A really good time loop anime is 'Summer Time Render' basically whenever the normal underpowered protagonist dies he goes back edge of tomorrow style with all his memories intact, but SO DO THE DEMONS HE'S UP AGAINST, and just when you think the time loop thing is gonna get repetitive or broken, they throw in a really good twist that spices up the stakes quite nicely. (didn't listen to the podcast yet, but I see time loop comments and wanted to share)

Jason Veevaert

If you guys are checking out Zelda ancillary media, please check out the manga! At least the Twilight Princess one, some interesting characterization for Link, Midna, and even Zant!

itsa secret

Congrats on 100 episodes! Red, Links Awakening is one of my favorite zelda games, and I think your perspective on it is really interesting! If I could offer some advice for whenever you finish the game, I'd suggest treating the owls more like keys than optional hints. For example, the room where you had to kill enemies in a certain order would be literally impossible to solve without help from a friend or guide, but one owl just straight up gives you the answer, no riddles or anything. Either way I hope you have fun with the rest of it! (Or at least come up with some more interesting thoughts on the design language)

Featherwalk

can't wait for Red to have to watch Mystery Spot as she prepares for Time Loops

deadcard13

From what i understand, part of what worked against Edge of Tomorrow is that, in spite of being based off the manga "All You Need is Kill", they didn't advertise it as an adaptation.

Fish_Hemsworth

Please someone watch Transformers Animated!

Lewis Brown

Regarding time loops, I think that the Netflix show Russian Doll does some interesting things, which admittedly have some crossover with the movie and its musical adaptation Groundhog Day (Tim Minchin does the music, it's great!) in how the initially nightmarish scenario ends up becoming an aggressive form of therapy for the protagonist.

Clemming

The edge of tomorrow title is a lot better than the original manga title of "all you need is kill" that the film was adapted from.

Sam Fisher

They have been talking about an Edge of Tomorrow sequel for forever. And they were nearly there until they went to call Emily Blunt and she told them she had just signed on for that Mary Poppins movie. But "Edge of Tomorrow" itself has had several titles. It was "Live Die Repeat" until the last second when they changed it to Edge of Tomorrow. But another early title for the movie was "All You Need Is Kill".

Kura

I went into In Stars and Time completely unspoilered, which was probably a huge mistake. Maybe part of the problem is that I really didn't know what I was getting into. If I'd known how dark, distressing, and miserable things get, or about Sif's gradually and relentlessly deteriorating mental health, maybe I wouldn't have played it in the first place. I saw it as a quirky, fun, Earthbound-style game with a really fun battle system, and I adored the characters, dialogue, and overall writing so much. But the gradual shift to the nightmarish tone just destroyed all my previous enjoyment. It's just.......too bleak. I also somehow constructed two plot twists that I was so certain were being foreshadowed, only to find out that there aren't any big reveals like I had in mind, leaving me utterly baffled by all the perceived foreshadowing that wasn't actually foreshadowing. I wanted to love it so much, but, just like I Was A Teenage ExoColonist, I couldn't even give it an S tier rank in my 'games I played this year' list. They're both languishing in their own little separate tier called 'It's Complicated', because my feelings about both of them are so confused and muddled. At least my enjoyment of Roguelikes/Roguelites remained unscathed, so Hades, Pokemon Explorers of Sky, and Slay The Spire are still among my favourite games of all time. It'll be a long, long wait for Hades II to come to the Switch, but I've got plenty of other games coming out to play in the meantime. Also, I relate to Red about horror stuff sticking in her head. I'm the same.

Thomas Blight

Personally I didn’t care much for the monster design in Edge of Tomorrow. Too formless for me, like they were afraid of you getting a solid look at them.

Jason Veevaert
>>147229635

Ah man I really wanted to like Exocolonist, was in a similar camp as cosmic wheel sisterhood where I really like the concept, but the story and repetition just irks me!

Jason Veevaert
>>147215384

One of them, one of the commenters or both? Cause I really like Transformers Animated! Like most of the Transformers shows, like the IDW comics, like the fan club prose stories.

Shadowreaper

Red, if you do cover time loops, you should read up on Innortal's Infinite Loops. The elevator pitch is that ygdrasil, the world tree, is actually the biggest and most complicated supercomputer in existence, it's processes run every single universe, and some undisclosed (at the of writing) event has damaged that tree. In order to fix it, the gods (who are also sysadmins) have put every anime, show, book, movie, etc that a fandom can write for, into a time loop. Each loop has an Anchor, the Looper who holds down their reality. Usually the Anchor is the "main character" of the loop, but sometimes it is not. Eventually, non loop-aware people can Awaken, usually people with close connection to the Anchor.

Shadowreaper
>>147255871

I think you would benefit from, if not enjoy, the terminology for you own time loop trope talk. The Infinite Loops really does a lot of the work of figuring out the nomenclature and things like how to secretly check if someone is looping without opening mentioning time loops.

Shadowreaper

Red you did get done dirty by the graphical upgrade. The design language of link's awakening was a lot more clear in the Gameboy release

Kura
>>147229635

My main problem with Teenage ExoColonist is that there's always one character you can't save, and it feels so contrived that the player character just can't come up with some way to prevent the character from being in the situation that results in their death. It's not a mistake, either, as the game itself points out at the end of a life that this character just can't be saved. It just made me so upset and angry that the game presents itself as 'figure out how to save everyone', and then has a metaphorical carpet pull of 'actually, you can't, because reasons'. I've never played Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, as the trigger warnings mentioned sexual content, so that's an automatic nope for me.

The Cayute

Red. First, thanks and you did say my name correctly during the regular OSPod :) Second for what happened with Edge Of Tomorrow, I can't say for certain how it was everywhere else but for me at the time in California it was poorly marketed in the worst way: TOO MUCH. I was f-ing sick of the advertising for it I didn't wanna see the movie.

Susaga

I decided to check, and it seems that the three triangle design actually wasn't in the first Zelda game. The box art had a random coat of arms, and the in-game art had a single triangle. So there generally were only two to start with, and it was called triforce because it was a triangle.

Jason Veevaert
>>147229635

Basically a Tarot card maker game, where the fortunes you read can actually change the world around you, but the story is surprisingly narrow minded in it’s use of the concept. The characters and worldbuilding are all interesting, and making cards is fun, but the story itself meh and a bit disappointing.

MageKiton
>>147220935

Came to the comments to make sure someone mentioned that Edge of Tomorrow was adapted from/inspired by a manga (which was worth reading just to see the differences)

Scott Jacobs

Part of what happened to EoT was it was released around some real solid bangers. End of April had stuff like X-Men Days of Future Past, Maleficent, and A Million Ways to Die in the West. On the same day as EoT was The Fault in our Stars and How to Train Your Dragon 2. Also the year before had given us Oblivion from Cruise, and I think it hurt his draw, and that people didn't quite trust him with the genre.

Trine Lise Andersen

Red, if you decide to do a Trope Talk on time loops, I recommend checking out the Supernatural episode Mystery Spot. I know you noped out of Supernatural because of the horror element (and would probably find it too goofy for your taste in any case) but this episode isn't scary in any way (except the inherent dread of being stuck in a time loop, of course). You're basically just watching Sam slowly lose his shit as his brother keeps dying every day in increasingly goofy and ridiculous ways, no matter what Sam does to prevent it. You don't need to know much about the series to understand the episode, with the possible exception that Dean sold his soul to a demon (to save his brother) and is going to Hell soon-ish.

Srika

Red, if you cover time loops you have to take a look at Outer Wilds. Its my favourite game of all time and it’s something you can experience only once in your life. It’s a little puzzle-ey so if you’re not down to play something like that I recommend watching a playthrough like the one by Play Frame.

Lauren Rose

I remember using this as a ‘bad graphic design’ example for class!! I believe in my heart of hearts that the movie has always been titled “Edge of Tomorrow” TAGLINE: “live. die. repeat.” but the posters just DON’T read that way, and now everyone’s still confused

Xavier Illa

Link in the different manga adaptations of the games is not silent either and each one has a different personality, OoT and Majora's Link are a good basic fantasy hero, but TP Link has edge and a dark past, it's fascinating

The Narrator
>>147212777

"All You Need Is Kill" was actually a novel rather than a manga. Strictly prose, no pictures. I've actually read it, and the similarities and differences from the film are interesting. I don't think it was well-known enough in America to affect the box office much, however.

Lauren Rose

no ones mentioning Palm Springs(2020) but it’s an excellent time loop movie!! it’s not miserable and scary; it’s literally a sci-fi rom-com, with Andy Samberg & Cristin Milioti - i really liked it