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Show notes 194 (Patreon)

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2024-01-21 18:01:00
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Hello, hello. And what do we have in the show notes this week. Well, we start with some photos of the Dutch police and their Porsches. Then we have Jonny in full Swedish architect mode relaxing in the back of a speeding Tesla Model 3 (floorpan bop, not pictured) and a bear dressed like a middle-aged man at a cars & coffee. Finally, yes, dog nappies are a real thing. Now some links…

It’s not just Richard’s wife who’s noticed the Starbucks filter coffee thing 

U2 and that police convertible song  

A brief history of the Dutch police and Porsches  

An early TV performance of Smooth Operator  

Mirrors on the Moon  

English Electric Lightning engines powering Britain’s gas network 

Jonny doesn’t hold back on the Honda e:Ny1 

Richard's latest book  

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Martijn Koevoets

We once took part in a convoy with a record amount of these police Porsches. Afterwards we were asked if we wanted to drive the circa 40 miles back ourselves, with a coworker in another one. “But guys, please don’t use the sirens”…. needless to say, many shenanigans took place. 😂

Tom Lanigan

I'd love to see a 1966 Olds Toronado on the tesla platform but I think it would be too long. Here are some other suggestions: 2850mm Citroen XM 2850mm Lexus LS400 gen 2 2864mm Jaguar XJ6 LWB 2865mm Mercedes-Benz W116 S class 2870mm Jaguar XJ40 2881mm Volkswagen Phaeton SWB As for misheard lyrics: Police - So Lonely - I used to sing Sue Lawley (she of Nationwide in the 1970s)

Will Flack

Jonny definitely needs to be driving a Saab looking like that!

Jeremy Cheah

I'm not sure what your +/- tolerance is on wheelbases, but pretty much all Aussie Ford Falcons from the 60s to the late 80s rode on 111" (2819mm) wheelbases, which includes the XB hardtop, which in turn means Interceptor. Or if that isn't "practical" enough, a 1971 XY Falcon wagon would be a sweet, sweet ride.

Andrew Barnes

Agree with filter coffee challenge at Starbucks 👍

Robin White

Swedish architect or that bloke from all those skandi murder series.

Colin Kao

Does filter coffee = drip coffee or batch brew in 'Murican English? Thanks :)

Mark Sheridan

My fiance recently moved in with his dog, a 9mo old Labrador who’s just came in to her first heat, sending my 5 year old Chow wild wanting a bit of action, she’s had to wear a nappy for the past few weeks, I was pissing myself laughing for the first few day every time I saw her as they look so ridiculous

Richard Major

I converted mm to inches and got 113 inches for American Classics with similar wheelbases 1985 Buick Riviera Early 90s Caddie Deville Late 50s Thunderbirds

Richard Major

For British cars with a similar wheelbase as A Tesla Model 3 I asked Google Bard (their AI chat) Close Matches: - Jaguar XJ6 Series 3 (1979-1987): 2,921 mm (47mm longer than Model 3) - Aston Martin Lagonda (1976-1990): 2,901 mm (27mm longer) - Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow II (1977-1980): 2,895 mm (21mm longer) Alternatives (within 50mm): - Austin Maxi (1969-1981): 2,822 mm (52mm shorter) - Rover P6 (1963-1977): 2,762 mm (112mm shorter) - MG Magnette Mark IV (1961-1968): 2,718 mm (156mm shorter)

Richard Major

Starbucks filter coffee news - you get a FREE REFILL with their filter coffee if you drink it in!

Ben O'Connell

I thought I was the only conspiracy theorist who thought Starbucks were up to something with the no filter coffee ever shenanigans. Relieved to hear others feel the same.

Richard Norgate
>>127613404

An electric Shadow would be amazing. I’m sure somebody has done it already but hacking the Tesla chassis onto the RR body and then wedging the iPad into the carpentry would be brilliant.

Charles Deichmann

Just started listening. Jonny should look up the Plaidissey by the Boosted Boys (Boiz?). It's a Model S Plaid hidden under a 90s (?) Honda Odissey body. Unless he and Rich find out about it in later minutes of this 'cast, in which case, feel free to, or rather, please, ignore this comment.

Gareth Brown
>>127613357

I was thinking American family motoring and think the Buick roadmaster (in full woody wagon 92-96 spec) could be in for a great shout - 2944mm wheelbase and 1984mm wide. But also potentially easy to swap as it is a body on frame car… what a family wagon that would make!

Ben Oliver

I have often asked for a filter coffee at Starbucks, it's never on, but they give me an americano for the same price as a filter. I would also say that coffee snobs often seek out filter or drip coffee, it's way nicer than just a watered down espresso.

Patrick Rennison

I'm actually disappointed to discover that a B3 Passat is about 100mm shorter than a Model 3. That would have been a dream come true for the Smith brothers.

Anthony Daniels

Citroen CX v close (30mm) and as the drive train was the weak point it's ideal as an EV. And keep the revolving drum speedo so you can read it ahead of you - plus the CX indicator switches now Tesla have ditched the stalk.

Thomas Hill

Pret (increasingly appearing at services - now at Stafford north) do tend to have the filter coffee on and it’s usually surprisingly cheap. I always loose time walking round the duck pond though.

Richard Fitton-Perkins

Tesla Model 3 shares it’s 2875mm wheelbase with: 2009- Mazda CX-9 2011- Mercedes CLS500/63AMG 2011- Mercedes E63 sedan 2013- Mercedes E350 sedan 2014- Mercedes E250 BlueTEC The only other option is a 2022 Genesis GV70 electric, which would be both expensive and ultimately pointless.

Andy Laurence

The correct answer for a man who loves his JDM is, of course, the Nissan Stagea. Renowned for having incredible underpinnings for a family estate, it seems fitting that it should be used. The wheelbase is just under an inch shorter. If your budget is larger and you want to go British, a Bristol 412 is a nice drop-top and less than an inch longer wheelbase. It'll have a massive boot under the bonnet once you remove the engine from that landing strip of a bonnet.

Andy Laurence

I should add that if your plan is to go ghetto with an ancient Model S, whilst it seems obvious to choose an Impala wagon for your estate of choice, do you really want to add a '76 wagon to your collection? The best US model is the aptly named Buick Electra. It's like it's asking for the swap! Clearly, the 15mm shorter wheelbase isn't going to cause much trouble and you absolutely must have it in brown/gold standard colours. Some nice 25mm arch extensions and running boards made from marine plywood would finish it off brilliantly. You're welcome.

Helen Morris

Doggy nappies are usually more like sanitary towels, for your lady dog when it's that time of the month before she's been for her girly snip. Otherwise they not only bleed on your sofa, but get knocked up by the local horny mongrel. Regards the e-Up, Richard is obviously failing in his Husband Jobs. Cleaning cars is Husband Job. He doesn't touch the washing machine, I don't vacuum cars :D

Riley

Rover 75 wheel base is 2,746mm in the estate format or 2,946 mm in the limousine

Sander Hop

The Dutch police also ran Alfa Romeo Spiders for the same reason.

Stephen Voss
>>127580224

Panel van would be practical for tradies too. Ole Man used to call them microwaves... cause you could do a bird in the back in 2 mins

Jeremy Cheah
>>127580224

Ooh, a panel van would be sweet too, but given that Jonny's a respectable family man the extra doors of the wagon might suit his lifestyle more. And 2 minutes? What do you do with the other 90 seconds?

Matt Stanford

XJ40, E60 5 Series, or, and hear me out here, a C6 or an XM with a little work done. Keep the suspension, happy, happy days. Tesla Model 3 - Wheelbase - 288cm / Width - 184cm Rover SD1 281.5cm / 177cm Leyland P76 283cm / 191cm Talbot Tagora 281cm / 181cm Citroen C6 290cm / 186cm << Phwar Citroen CX 285cm / 173cm Citroen XM 285cm / 179cm << Go On. Keep the XM suspension. Best of both worlds. Jaguar XJ (X308) - 287cm / 180cm Jaguar XJ (XJ40) - 287cm / 180cm << here you are. Classic. Heaps of spares. Preserve Brittania or whatever. Metric wheels. Ford Thunderbird (66) - 287.5cm / 196.3cm Mercedes Benz S Class (W116) - 286.5cm / 187cm Mercedes Benz S Class (W126) - 286.5cm / 182cm Mercedes Benz E Class (W210) - 283.2cm / 180cm Mercedes Benz R Class (W251) - 298cm / 192cm Volvo XC70 (2007) 281.5cm / 186cm Volvo 960 277cm / 175cm Volvo S90 (2016) 294cm / 188cm Land Rover Discovery (2014) 288.5 cm / 191cm Range Rover (L322) 288 cm / 192cm Volkswagen T4 292cm or 332cm / 184cm BMW 7 (E32) 283.2cm / 184.5cm BMW 7 (E38) 293cm / 186cm BMW 5 (E39) 283cm / 180cm BMW 5 (E60) 288.8cm / 184.6cm <<< DING DING Renault Espace (2015) 288cm / 189cm Renault Grand Espace (2006) 286.8 cm / 189cm Lexus LS (Gen 2) 285 cm / 182cm Peugeot 604 280cm / 177cm

Matt Stanford
>>127616300

it's a really long wheelbase eh - it's large exec and delivery vans from the 80s and 90s only. Even our domestic large (rear drive) sedans in Australia are shorter wheelbase - you have to go to the prime ministerial extra length ones for >288cm wheelbase

Chris Wyman

BMW 7 Series E32 (1986-1994) is 2833mm for the SWB version

Robert McDonald

Jaguar XJ40 or X300 both share the wheel base

Chris Squirrel
>>127689051

Great list. I'm with you re. the C6/XM. I have a thing for Espaces of any age so I'd nominate them too :)

Martijn Koevoets

I see the Boostedboiz Plaidessey has already beene mentioned, but the OG frameswap peoplecarrier has to be the Lexspace on Pistonheads!

Mike Follows

We all know Jonny has a hankering for a Coleman Milne Granada hearse. Is the wheelbase of 299mm (120mm longer than a Model 3) an.abwolute no go?

James Ockenden

How about a Fiat Ulysse 2823cm and 1863cm width

Jack McGurran

I asked chatgpt to give me some pre 1990 cars with a wheelbase matching the Tesla and these were the results: BMW 7 Series (E32) Wheelbase: 2832 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 43 mm Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W126) Wheelbase: 2936 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 61 mm Audi 100/200 (C3) Wheelbase: 2685 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 190 mm Volvo 760 Wheelbase: 2771 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 104 mm Cadillac Seville (3rd generation) Wheelbase: 2761 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 114 mm

Matt Stanford
>>127689051

Unfortunately only the most recent ones are long enough. Get the sense he’s looking for something more classic. And the ID Buzz is a thing already

Andrew C

For a luxury JDM choice how about a 3rd gen Nissan President, 2880 mm wheelbase or a 4th gen President is 2870 mm.

Stephen Voss

NSU Ro80 wheelbase is 2.86 m (113 in)

ramdyne

If you really want to experience a Dutch police 911, I am sure Leo de Haas (https://leodehaas.com/#contact) can get you in to contact with people who own one. He has an interesting TV career and (past) car collection.