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Femdom City vs. Kink City (Patreon)

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2018-03-03 21:03:56
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2026-06

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Let us talk about the third big game. A few of you already know that I would like to work on 3 games simultaniously, that way I could work on whatever I feel like...Fantasy (Captured by Dark Elves, Saragoth) Modern Day (Asylum, Femdom City / Kink City), Futuristic/Postapocalyptic (Futanari Wars, ???). But currently I'm very far away from making Darktoz my fulltime job, so I can hardly manage to work on the two current games. 

However, I have all assets for The Asylum, and I have most of the assets for Captured by Dark Elves...so it's time to set the direction of the next game so I can buy the assets for it and start on some character writing and maybe even some character creation whenever I feel like it.

The ones of you that played Captured4You when it came out know that I wanted to step things up and make the next visual novel more like a raising sim...Captured4You was more like an interactive comic without any choices.

The next game will be in a visual novel style...you, the protagonist arriving in a new city, trying to make a fortune, finding your true love, just looking around or whatever...the setting will be fairly open so that you can do your own thing, but the major question is if it should be a dark, grungy city like a bdsm version of sin city, where everything is possible and you can choose to be dominant, submissive or whatever else...Kink City! 

Or Femdom City...a (also dark and grungy) city ruled by women where males have nothing to say, have to pay way higher taxes and usually end up being enslaved in various ways.

Kink City would leave more room for creativity, but I know me and I could try to fill it with too much stuff without a red string. It would maybe get a new audience it since it would have femdom in it but it wouldn't be the focus.

Femdom City would be the logical step, and since I'm already struggling to put all possible femdom/futadom fetishes (whipping, pegging, foot fetish to the more explicit stuff like humiliation, sissification, toilet slavery and so on)in my other games, it will still be a challenge in this game. On the other hand...it would be the third big femdom game in a row (well there will be some futa/dickgirl content in it, but femdom would be the focus) and since Captured by Darkelves didn't attract that many new Patrons, a third game in that direction would most likely limit my growth.

I'm a bit torn apart here, and I think you guys are the wrong crowd to ask since you're mostly here because of the femdom content (that's why there won't be a poll by the way)...but I'll do it anyway :D. Maybe you can share your thoughts on this and push me in the right direction ;)

Let me know what you think in the comments below *youtubervoice* Like and subscribe, share with your friends and...

...stay kinky! ;)

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overwatch78

Kink city. I think it’s time the main character has choice in the decisions that are made

Vostroya1

My votes for Femdom City

Darktoz

Was expecting a simple 'first' :D. I maybe forgot to say that there will be more choices available no matter what scenario you pick...it's the third game so it also has to be an improvement over its predecessors :)

Darktoz

It's not really voting here right now, it's more convincing me why I should pick one over the other :D

Reibiag

I agree, I think expanding your audience is a great idea.

Vincanity

Despite the fact that I am a submissive that loves femdom style games, I would be pushing you to go for Kink City.... And there is an awesome reason for that.

hermes

Femdom City is the logical decision... ;)

Vincanity

Whoops, I hot reply too early! Anyway, the reason is that the balance between dominant and submissive is one that never changes in games. You're either dominant or submissive, there's rarely any back and forth, or power play. I think a game that has the ability for a relationship to have a sliding scale from dominant to submissive would be epic... One day, you're dominant and controlling the situation, the next, she had whipped you back into like... Almost like it is situational. You could in lock scenes by attaining a certain level of dominance or submissiveness in any given relationship...

Vincanity

So I would say Kink City based on the directions you could take the story with that relationship scale

Darktoz

When I was starting out everyone said that the logical decision would be making incest dating games...maybe it's not always good to go logical :D...but I get your point ;)

Frosty1979

Well the potential audience for a game featuring maledom would certainly be bigger. On the other side when you look around you will see that there are a lot of games catering to that "genre". So competition is bigger.;) Femdom is of course more of a niche, but I believe you don't have to share so much of the income from the Femdom fans as it would be the case with the maledom fans. People you would attract with it, would surely already have several other pledges running. Also when you try to please everyone, there as a risk that nobody will be pleased in the end... Last point, and probably the most important one. What is your own passion? What do you like more? Would be catering also to maledom something you enjoy creating, or would you have to force yourself? If you would just force yourself to do it, to potentially make more money, I would advice you not to do it, since it would burn you out quite fast.

Darktoz

well even in kink city there would be some women who are only dominant or submissive...and in femdom city there can be switchers...it's really more about the scenario :)

Sukaiko

A compromise would a female MC in Femdom city. The player would be dominant but it would still be a femdom game. It's mostly about the power fantasy for me. It would also be quite interesting to see all the pov scenes you had in other games from the woman's perspective.

hermes

Man, I hate incest! I don't know how some creators can sleep easy with the games they make. And yeah, I mean, the main characters have always been submissive.

Obsidian_Rose

I would like femdom city, such great potential for that chastity device asset you got earlier there ;) Mandatory for all males, or an option for female police in a scenario where you get arrested, or maybe just your boss/girlfriend/wife would introduce it as a part of your relationship :)

Darktoz

To be clear, Kink City would not be maledom only. It would just be a bigger playground. I don't see the competition argument fit because a) I never make a game that is similar to an existing one (at least not on purpose) b) I think most users are willing to support multiple creators as long as they deliver good content. I'm not trying to please everyone and I'm not trying to make the most money out of this here. If so I would have upped the prices long time ago like every other 3D render creator out here and started with 10$ for the first tier. I am more concerned about growing my audience. And last but not least, I will always do the stuff that I love. If I would have a clear preference, I wouldn't have made that post

Darktoz

I forgot to say that it will most likely be not PoV anymore. It will be like in Captured4You...third person. Maybe with an option to get a pov view in important scenes, not sure about that. So...the main protagonist would be a female dominating mostly males?

Sukaiko

That would be the idea. If it's going to be mostly third person anyway, then this would be a concept that should give dominant players their fix and submissive people can enjoy what the subs are subjected to. In all your other games I had to imagine it the other way around and this would change things up a bit. Also femdom protagonists are pretty much non existent among porn games, as far as I can tell at least.

Darktoz

Can't really blame them if they're going for the money...assets are easy...nothing fancy, just a regular outfit plus a milf character and a sister character, bathroom, bedroom and living room and you have all the assets that you need to start out. Where it's crossing a line for me is when the sister/daughter starts to look underage...

Darktoz

I'm currently rendering scenes with Dr. Horney locking the protagonist up in chastity and it is a huge pain in the ass to render this out, because the chastity model is very old and needs to be recoloured in almost every shot ;(. Might not be the best selling point for me to do femdom city over kink city :D

Darktoz

I have to say that I haven't played that many xxx games, but the ones that I played mostly had a dominant protagonist...like the slavemaker gameseries for example. I am currently working on something small to get into the mechanics of raising sims...it's called 'pony farm' and is kind of what you're asking for :)

Sukaiko

Of course, there are many games with customizable protagonists, but when I wrote my comment I was thinking about a game with its focus on a dominant female. I basically thought of your games, but with the roles reversed. Instead of being a participant of the tournament we are one of the organizers; instead of a patient one of the doctors; instead of a slave one of the dark elves, and so on.

Carl Meyer

kink city is probably the best choice to get more patrons just make sure the Femdom stuff stays excellent for your loyal fans so you don't lose them

Arthas

Speaking from a marketing point of view i think femdom is the way to go, as you're already building a name in this genre. I see your name on almost every forum asking for such content. Therefore i think the smartest option would be to continue building your name in this genre. If you plan on widening your market, you have to be ready for it as well. You'll get a much bigger playerbaser with different taste and different turnons. that means that it will be hard to satisfy everyone, and in the worst case scenario you'll start loosing your core patrons :/ But if you think you are able to compromise in a a way that satisfies both old patrons and potentially new ones i say go for it. In my case i would personally love to see both of the games.

Obsidian_Rose

I have next to no experience modeling stuff, i was coming stricktly from a story/theme perspective. Keep up the good work, i'm sure it'll look great in the end :)

Altoar

I'm only really here for femdom, gotta be honest. However, from a practical standpoint, if you went with kink city and kept it going as a kinda constant secondary while you focus on whatever primary game you wanna do, then it'd certainly open up the scope to get a larger and more varied patron base that'd be interested in kink city.

pupbun

Im only here for the Futanari and helplessness XD

A

So basically, do you want to cast a shallower net over a broader market, or have deeper penetration in a narrower market ("giggity"). A classic business decision. Obviously, as you pointed out, I'm biased, but even so, a monopoly (or near monopoly) on a growing femdom RPG market might be your best bet in the long-term. What you could do is start selling your completed games ($5) with lower tier patrons only having access to the most recent games in development. Maybe you could even sell a game bundle on steam (might be tricky but there are some uncensored adult games on Steam).

A

Also, economics aside, what would you most enjoy doing? Are you getting burnt out on femdom? Or, would you be forcing yourself to do non-femdom stuff that you didn't really have a passion for but would be more mainstream?

Jaws111589

I would go with kink city. It seems like a more interesting option. There are so many roads to go down with it and I would be curious to see where you go.

A

With an entire city to explore, each would have plenty of possible storylines, so I'd say creatively, Femdom City and Kink City are equal.

Vincanity

Absolutely, but it would be cool if there were characters you could swing or influence... Or characters that could swing or influence you. I love the idea of starting out dominant but then a woman comes and breaks you completely, so you end up crumbling and becoming submissive. If the MC had a dominant vs submissive meter, maybe it could start at neutral and certain decisions or reactions make the meter swing dominant or submissive... Kind of like True Crime - Streets of LA (If you played that... Old school PS2 game!)

asa thompson

Kink City catches the most interest, for me at least.

Zachary Napier

Femdom City sounds like the best option to me. I also love the findom aspect in it! Sounds like the perfect game.

Darktoz

Well, Futanari and Bondage will always be in my games, don't worry :)

Darktoz

like I pointed out, femdom will always be a part of my games :)

Darktoz

I don't really think I would lose too much if I go for BDSM in general instead of Femdom only since it's still pretty close and you have the option to focus on one kink over the other...

Darktoz

Huh? No, why do you guys keep thinking that? It's not like Kink City would be a mainstream project at all or is there something I am missing, like a lot of games like it already out?

Darktoz

Well, Kink City would leave me with more options, like dominant males, submissive women and so on...so I would say all cities are equal, but Kink City is more equal ;)

Darktoz

To be honest I am curious as well :D

Darktoz

Both will be very interesting, I will make sure of that ;)

Darktoz

Yes, would be a very interesting storyline, agreed :)

Aaron Gagner

it does not matter to me they both will be very appealing

Nixty

I guess I would like the freedom that Kink City would offer me. Honestly, I'd probably still gravitate towards the femdom stuff as that is my fetish, but it's the ability to choose that makes it so appealing. No matter what choice you make in the end, it's a no-lose situation for me.

Darktoz

might end up doing both anyway :D

Darktoz

I think it will always be a no-lose situation for femdom lovers and my games :)

Dark Elf

Of course Femdom City. I already like the name itself !!! But you must decide for yourself what are you better at ... I already see the scene in Femdom City. TThe main character accidentally went in the wrong lane, as in this comic strip <a href="https://leanneangelofdeath.deviantart.com/gallery/45340669/Second-Contest" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://leanneangelofdeath.deviantart.com/gallery/45340669/Second-Contest</a> End of the game for the main character, as in The Asylum On the first day in the basement with Black Rubbernurse:) Sorry for my English I'm using Google translator.

Batou

Kink City can have a Femdom Neighbourhood. The opposite is wrong... From my point you have more possibilities with it. I'm confident you don't pick too much mainstream content in it, and will still focus on your usual fetish

Darktoz

Shaha, you don't always have to apologize for using google translator...it's fine and I understand what you're saying...many people here are not native english speakers, including myself :)

Darktoz

Very true. On the other hand, Femdom City would have some unique stuff that Kink City doesn't have...

LanceDark

I would vote for Kink City: more options, with the Femdom Neighbourhood (great idea Batou) you can have the same stuff as Femdom City (on a slower release timeline of course) and give us the opportunity to be on the dominant / free side, for a change :)

Arthas

Well you just have to decide what you want then. you can always start working on the other when you finish one of them :)

Darktoz

yes, but since I'm still only working part time on this projects it might take a year to finish it. The asylum was started a 3/4 year ago...so it's definetly a commitment...

Darktoz

Well, you wouldn't have the same stuff as in femdom city of course. In Kink City there would be a fraction, maybe 2 or 3 like a gang and a business corp. . In femdom city everything would be related to femdom: Hospital, Church, Clubs, Police, Government, Prison, Trailer Parks and so on ;)

Bootsfetish

Have you desire to make games 100 % femdom or switch? If you really love femdom, i'm afraid that make a "switch" game doesn't please you too much on long term. That you lose the motivation. For more visibility, you can finish The Asylum and sell it on the Internet (like the web site DLsite). Perhaps some people prefer to pay the finished game. Although you choose, I support you. Nice pictures .

Malakaison

By far, Femdom city, thats at least why i keep supporting you. Because of the femdom content. But the choice is yours.

Darktoz

thanks...like I said, I'm fine either way...I can do both and stay motivated with both...it's not so much the fetish scenes but more telling an interesting story in an interesting scenario that keeps me motivated.

Darktoz

again, it's not like kink city would have no or only a few femdom related content...

Bootsfetish

OK, then I don't have other argument. Sorry and good luck for the choice... ;)

hellx

I love the femdom content in your games. So I support which one has more femdom content. LOL

Darktoz

that would be femdom city...the name says it all :D

Witcher

femdom city will be great. Not a fan of kinkcity

Darktoz

currently leaning towards it as well, just because it's very well suited for a raising sim/visual novel...kink city should have some action in it...like a topdown shooter or something like that...

FTC

i actually just started supporting you because i played asylum demo, and wanted to play the rest of it, so I pitched in a couple bucks to get the full game from you. and i would love to see more of a further developed kink fetish where i play the role of a dom or switch. the femdom stuff is cool but it would also be nice to have some control. also after spending several hours playing BDSM tournament i was a little disappointed (to be honest)- way too much action, click click shoot shoot, heal, rinse repeat, not enough sex content. I still enjoyed it, dont get me wrong. but think this whole thing could be developed so much more.

Darktoz

The thing people tend to forget is that BDSM Tournament was my first game ever made. By that time I don't really had an idea what I was doing...of course it's grindy and linear, but for my first game I actually quite like it :)

Darktoz

I had a feeling that the majority of you guys would say that :D

stacy C

Femdom City......please, please, please include some sissification though.....just for me hehehe ;-) x

Darktoz

I was planning to do that :)

ChriSTIAN

I think you should do Femdom City and focus on the kinks you mentioned, maybe throw some BBC-cuckold in there. And really...? Captured by Darkelves wasnt a hit? I liked it a lot and I am looking forward to the next installment of that story.

Darktoz

Well, maybe I'm expecting too much...The Asylum got a lot of attention after BDSM Tournament...I was hoping for the next big jump with the new game...but I think it's just going up slow and steady now, which isn't that bad either.

Vedenalex

Don't you want to add ryona(death/game over scenes) in your games. It will suit such games as BDSM Tournament.

Darktoz

Yeah, BDSM Tournament was a game of wasted opportunities...but it was my first game. Captured by Dark Elves will have some scenes like that in the future, at least that is what I've planned since it suits the setting as well

Zhríx

If I'm not commenting too late, (I often forget to check Patreon) I think that going with the creative approach is better for the exact reason you mentioned - it might attract new players. Additionally, it could add a lot of replay value to the game since you could on your first playthrough, for example, be a sub and then want to try out being a domme on your second. It might be too much work to do though - just sharing my thoughts :) Love your games, man, keep it up!

Darktoz

thank you. The problem is that I've never done a real raising sim/visual novel before. So I will start a bit smaller. Kink City will definetly come, but I want it to be a bit bigger and with some kind of action related content (I dream of a mixture between a topdown shooter/gta2 like gameplay and visual novel)...and it takes some time to even think about how to approach that...

The Playful Otter

Just a thought, what about marrying the concepts behind Kink City and Femdom City? How about a raising sim from the perspective of the one being raised? The Mistress gives orders to her slaves and then the player has to gauge their resources to make sure they can complete the task, improve their stats, and make profit for their mistress better than the other slaves. You could incorporate the same kind of resource management from most raising sims like energy, health, money, motivation, but change up the names. So there would still be "Energy", for how much energy the character has and if they can do certain tasks at certain times, "Health" to show how healthy they are and it would go down if they do something that drains more energy than they have. Money could be "Affection" showing how much affection the Mistress has for the slave. "Respect" could be the level of respect that the other slaves have for the slave, if you do things to screw over the other slaves it would go down and if it drops to far the player may find that they are being sabotaged by the other slaves or worse.

Darktoz

that would be one mistress and many slaves instead of one slave and many mistresses...it is an interesting approach, granted, but I think the selling point of the game will be the different dominant ladies in different femdom scenes ;)

The Playful Otter

Well there is always the possibility of the various tasks the slave is given has him directly interacting with other mistresses. Either for good or for bad. The slave could even gain some "affection" with another mistress in hopes of them buying him from his original mistress so he can have a better "life". I totally agree about a major selling point being interactions with various cruel mistresses though.