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Oh, Patreon now has an image gallery feature. Nice. Let's use it :)

The bad part of committing to weekly updates is that sometimes you have nothing to say. I'm working hard on Captured by Dark Elves, working hard to keep the estimated date of the 11th possible, hopefully it won't be later than the 18th. Fingers crossed.

If Episode 3 is not ready next weekend, I won't post anything (maybe in the comments to let you know) but focus on finishing it instead. So if there is no post next sunday, you know why.

Since I am working on the concept of the new ultimate femdom/futadom game and the mechanics and since I'm a 3D render addict and there is currently nothing to render for CbDE, I spent some time thinking about the enemies. Of course, all of them should be either mistresses or futas, but in order so that you don't just submit to the first level 1 mistress you see, early mistresses have to be a bit ugly in my mind. But, it is an erotic game after all, so they have to be still sexy. You get what I'm saying? No? Well, my logic isn't the best lately...

Still very fun to do this kind of stuff, like level 1 desert gremlin mistress. But I have some doubts that people will appreciate these kinds of "monster mistresses" and want to go straight up to level 5 mantis officer dominatrix or level 7 dark elf slavehunter.

Anyway, question of the week: As a slave/submissive in the game, what attributes should you have? What sex attributes, to be more specific. We have a system in CbDE that is very simple (4 skills, 3 levels), and another rather simple approach in Femdom City MANTIS (Worship, Pain Tolerance, Endurance, Futanari, Sissification). So if we want a system with a bit more option and depth, we have to talk about the attributes. I already tried to get this discussion going on the Discord Channel, maybe it will work better here in the comments. I thought about:Blowjob, Anal, Footworship, Bootworship, Sexual Stamina, Cunnilingus, Anilingus, Handjob, Sissification, Bondage, Pain Tolerance (Kissing)

Not sure about kissing, so it is in brackets. I feel like there is a lot missing, so let me know if you have ideas.

And that is it. Unless something very unexpected happens, my next post in one or two weeks will be Episode 3 of Captured by Dark Elves. Until then...

...stay kinky!

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Artyom7899

it is true that some mistress are not very pretty but i see what you want to show us

Vilian0Vic

When you say "enemies" and "submit to the first level 1 Mistress", how exactly does this work? Do you mean actual fleshed out characters or masses of disposable monsters to be killed like in the CbDE fights? (Nice renders btw, I can't wait for more updates). As for the attributes: are they meant solely for sex scenes, or do they have other uses, too? For example I'm thinking that Pain Tolerance could make you last longer in a fight, too, or you have something like Lung Capacity for a Mistress who likes breathplay, but which also lets you dive to an otherwise unreachable area and such.

Darktoz

that is good, because it was very late when I wrote that post and I wasn't sure if I made my point clear or not ;)

Darktoz

First of all: Nothing is set in stone. I was just tossing around ideas creating characters/mistresses that would be level 1 encounters, level 5 and so on. I don't have really thought about a fighting mechanic right now. Normal skills/attributes will be seperate, at least that is what I have planned. they should get their own skillpoints I think: Things like scavenging, mining, cooking, crafting, persuasion and so on. Breathplay is actually quite nice for a skill. I remember that I had that in the attributes in the beginning, but then I thought Bondage would cover that. definitely debatable, though

AL121

I think it is a great Idea If you want to get some Action at the start of the game but not submiting to the first "ugly" Mistress and fight her! Kissing could be an oral skill that heilps to improve everything with mouth or tongue like Stamina Improves all sexual Acts mixed with pain tolerance and stretching Also conected to the Fighting skills more Stamina and pain tolerance leads to more strengh and better recovery for example cluld get to complecated though?

AL121

Just an idea if you could in an open world game enslave a Level one Mistress yourself does not mean that you can not be enslaved by a level 7 Mistress and then she punishes you for having slaves on your own keeps them by herslef or let you Keep them as Long as you do as she says?

A

I think keeping the number of skill and attributes small (at least at first) is best. You can still get a lot of nuanced gameplay with only a few stats if it's well designed. You could have 3 attributes. Each attribute corresponds to other statistics. Fortitude (Pain Tolerance and Hitpoints), Charisma (Begging and Disguise), and Dexterity (Worship and Dodging). You can customize your erotic and non-erotic play style, between a Tank character that can take a whipping, a run and gun character that can make a Mistress scream with his tongue or a stealth/disguise character that can play a simpering sissy to get where he needs to be. You get 2 attribute points and 5 skill or Hit points every level. The skill / hp cap is the corresponding attribute +3. Attributes can also count as filters to access certain scenes, (e.g. only characters with Charisma > 5 can talk there way past the bouncer and enter the club through the front door, Only characters with a Dexterity > 6 can climb up and enter the club through the 2nd story window, only character with a Fortitude > 5 can kick down the backdoor and enter the club). Beyond that you can create unique "feats" that give you significant stat increases in very specific circumstances, (e.g. Cyborg seducer, you have 50% greater chance of seducing cyborg mistresses), as that can unlock by special events or in-game training as you go along (and offer as cheat codes to higher level Patrons).

parapltx

I really like the kind of idea to get a attribut "lung capacitiy" for breathplay games. It is also important maybe for objectification games, if u have to serve as a table as example it´s better you don´t move too much. What about Fetish skills, something like that u are very motivated if u or the mistress u serve is wearing clothes u prefer, speak from leather, latex, silk and so on?

randomguy200

approximately how would you rate the length of the ep3 of dark elves? and btw could we know if there will be 1 or more locations than abyss? :D

Jingming See

I mean monster mistresses are my kink so that makes it even more likely that I'll submit to them ;)

Deadmanfrank

For a attribute something like be more obedient/compliant, not sure how to say it exactly but I hope you understand what I try to say.

A.Schado

Here's a couple possibilities . . . You wouldn't think its applicable but "intuition" - this would let a slave read a mistress' tastes and serve better or be better to manipulate them. What about masochism? This would cause inflicted pain to be converted into pleasure - I guess it could be a function of pain tolerance too.

dark_dragon

This looks awsome i dont know if this is okey but maybe have assworship and toilet duty like some real humuliation can never go wrong ;) but i love what you have done so far keep up the good work my freind and stay kinky:)

Darktoz

All these attributes have to not influence each other. That makes the mechanics easier and the system easy to understand

Darktoz

So, in a game that would be quite difficult to pull off, since in theory all lower mistresses would have to be enslavable. they would all have to somewhat be able to travel with you and so on. would be a whole different system. not sure if i can pull that off

Darktoz

Yes, I have planned "feats". More like skill trees, but I'm not sure if I can pull that off. But yes, I had the same idea of how they work. Maybe you can even select starting skills for your character like "Feet over Boots", where you get a +1 for every footworship encounter but -1 for every bootworship encounter ;). Tbh I don't see why keeping attributes small in numbers is best. I myself like the leveling of your own character very much and spent much time creating one in other games. If every attribute is useful and covers big fetishes I think going for like 10 sex attributes that you can level up isn't to much in a game. Keeping the numbers small "at first" is also not really an option for me. The mechanics should be in right from the start of the game.

Darktoz

me 2, plus I really like the gremlin mistress...and they hunt in groups ;)

Darktoz

something like objectification would definitely be something for the skill "bondage". I think the fetish preference is nice, but more something for a skill...like you have "Latex Preference" as a skill and get +1 on every encounter with a Latex Mistress

Darktoz

It has about the same amount of pictures and scenes as Ep2 (a bit more), but the maps and the story are more/larger. Episode 3 plays almost entirely in the abyss.

Darktoz

they're my kink as well. I have to find a good balance, but orcs, gremlins, undead, lamia, arachnid and others will be in there :D

Darktoz

yes, I do. But should that really be an attribute? I think you should have the option to choose yourself of how obedient you are towards a mistress.

Darktoz

I like the masochism idea, but it sounds more like a skill than an attribute. I love the intuition attribute, though. Not sure how exactly it would play out in the game, though

Darktoz

I have assworship as anilingus (should rename it bc assworship is more known). I like toilet duty. But it has to be more general. An attribute that makes you swallow something that you normally don't want to swallow - not only pee but also cum and rotten food. I don't know, "forced feeding" maybe?

Throw Away

I don't know how well this would work, but I thought a neat idea for a mistress would be one who is more and more disgusted by you, the more submissive you become to other mistresses. Like she will only dominate you if she thinks you are a little dominant yourself. She likes finding dominant or neutral guys and breaking them down into submissive little bitches, and doesn't want to waste her time on toys that are already "broken". Perhaps if you are already very submissive, you would have to prove yourself man enough for her before she would interact with you much. Just a thought. Keep up the great work. Very much looking forward to you future work.

Throw Away

also, I love the idea of low level mistresses being "uglier" that the higher level ones. I also like the idea of starting out and being so weak and submissive, we are able to fall to a level 1 desert gremlin, and even her being shocked at how easy to manipulate we were.

Arthas

How about "absent gagreflex"? :p

AL121

I like that idea.

AL121

Lol yeah didn't say it was easy hehe. But how About Building up to a Castle or ship in which you can store stuff? although it would be more a "Conan Exiles" or "Don't starve" Kind of game with futas and Mistresses and frankly said I have no idea what is doable or not just bouncing of ideas here and I think even bad Ideas can give some useable Input and if not now Maybe in the future?

Darktoz

yes, of course. there can be all kinds of mistresses in theory. sky is the limit ;) and thank you :)

BeneathUK

I totally get what you mean about the look of the mistresses, the higher their level the better they look, I'm fine with that. As for the attributes, I guess it depends how complicated you want the games to be. You might consider including suggestibility (could work for hypnosis or seduction) , orgasm denial (how long a slave can resist being teased), Sexuality (for forced Bi), Loyalty (this could be used if there are rival Mistresses, a slave who has developed lots of loyalty for one Mistress will be less likely to submit to her rival). Just a few suggestions to throw into the mix there, Keep up the good work.

Darktoz

yes, although the beginning of othe game has to keep you interested. So they shouldn't be too ugly. But I'm already thinking of undead banshee mistresses and all that stuff :D

BeneathUK

I'm not sure slaves should start out very submissive, that seems counterintuitive. Why would a slave start very submissive and get less submissive as they receive more training? Maybe the lower level Mistresses use cruder methods, like physical torture to break the slaves down, while the higher level mistresses use more intelligent methods of humiliation like emotional blackmail, chastity, tease and denial, forced fem/bi or more technical forms of torture like electrocution?

Darktoz

good points, I like the orgasm denial resistance but I think Sexuality like forced bi shouldn't be a skill. It should be a preference that you can select in the beginning of the game, if you want to have it in there or not, since not everybody is fine with gay content.

Deadmanfrank

Yeah it true that we should be able to choose to be obedient.

dark_dragon

So maybe blowjob and toilet shuld be in the same place then? Just an idea:)

Wienerwurstwald

Interesting idea. The baldie and the fatty look interesting but i wouldnt want to spend a lot of time with them, so they seem like good choices for low level enemies. Angel like mistresses definitely have a lot of potential if you improve them a bit in design, might be a pain to do so though. Obviously the one with the fancy hat takes the crown XD. About additional complexity in femdom city, im unsure since the game already seems pretty complex already. With adding additional things to it, the workload might become too much since there are already a lot of scenes that need to be rendered and characters to be included. I assume some characters are planned to have additional scenes as well at one point.

Darktoz

yeah, the angel would definitely need some work, I was just throwing around stuff in a limited amount of time, trying to make mistresses that would not be considered "pretty" (even though the mantis officer turned out way prettier than I wanted). I'm not sure what you mean by Femdom City is complex, because I really think it is not. Everything is very simple and understandable, the skills are very simple, attributes as well. I do not think it is complex, and things that I consider important like an inventory and character customization are completely missing (only one choosable skill atm).

1Qazmo1

no futa (((((((((((((9999

Darktoz

do you mean you do not want futa? Or are you sad that there are no futanari in the pictures. Because the gremlin mistress, the mantis dominatrix and the aritocrat could all be futanari

Draupnir

i think the idea of having not so desirable mistresses to establish some form of progression is good. and i would definitely try to defy that weird goblin mistress as best as i can :D would be interessting for just once not wanting to submit at first sight but actually trying to fight her hold over me.

Draupnir

1 problem i could see is when the ugly mistress demands a bootslave and the stunning one is futa. and every who whos into bootslavery is stuck with the ugly one.

Darktoz

true, but that's like in every game when you have your fav character demand something that you're not into. for futanari preference: the only option would be to make every mistress an optional futa. I have something like that in mind but it would be a tremendous amount of work...

Draupnir

yeah sounds like too much work to be worth it.. just create a fair balance of futas and non futas and ppl will have to live with it. and maybe every fetish respresentend on at least a decent looking character. and when i say decent i really mean just mediocre. That goblin creature up there is the first character ever made by you i wouldnt describe as decently looking.

Darktoz

how rude, she's got so much personality :D tbh I don't even know if I should do it. Most people just want to see the hot chicks. Will have to think about it, but I personally really like the ideas of some characters you rather don't want to submit to.

parapltx

Yeah, you´re right objectification would go along with bondage skills, so a rope bunny. I really like the idea the Latex/ Clothes Preference as a skill. There would be possibilities to work that more out that u become a real Latex Plaything for Mistresses that prefer Heavy Rubber. Nice.

Edgar Salas

a combination of images 1 and 3. femdom, female supremacy, latex and boots

Darktoz

I am desperately looking for black wings...but haven't found any good ones so far and just tint the ones that I'm having looks weird...but fallen latex angel is definitely something I will try to create ;)

Obsidian_Rose

Yes such things should be an option to turn off, forced bi and cucking is just maledom by proxy to me ;)

Gamezdude

How about Servitude? In terms of being a servant as well as a sex slave. Eg, how attentive you are to your mistresses needs, how well you can cook, be her stool etc. Think of it as a abused butler ;)

B. Freundlich

Blowjob, Anal, Foot-/Bootworship, Sexual Stamina/Endurance, Licking (Anal/Viginal), , Sissification, Bondage, Pain Tolerance (Kissing), Humilliation, Human Toilet Sounds like a good list of Leveling Skills for me...

Darktoz

sounds useful...and a bit boring :D Like Mistress orders you to wash the dishes... ...you succeed... ...you successfully wash the dishes! :D

Darktoz

human toilet sounds a bit too specific...maybe "Swallowing" or something similar would do better, so that the protagonist can use that skill to swallow other stuff as well ;)

Edgar Salas

true with the other comments I would like them to be dominant and seductive women as if they caught him in the web. Beautiful and dominant. I like fetishes of control, chastity, pet play, facesitting haha ​​among others, but above all serve and be dominated

Cakey

Sorry in advanced for this long comment. I like the idea of less attractive, perhaps even more monster themed weaker mistresses. One of the many paths of femdom fetishes, is degradation and humiliation. It certainly would be degrading being dominated by a goblin or other kinds of creatures. Perhaps a couple classes would be nice during character creation, for people that either want to start off weak and submissive, or perhaps more resilient and defiant. Maybe even have unlockable choices for replayability. Like if I beat chapter 2, I could unlock the ability to start a new game with 2 extra skill points or something similar. An unlockable gallery would be cool to. It would help perfectionists play more of the game to unlock all the different scenes, and allow them to rewatch those scenes in the gallery. To solve the problem of players liking a specific mistress that doesn't offer the fetishes they want, you could have each mistress with their primary personality fetish, then have very specific interaction choices that unlock specialty worship options for them, like requiring Tongue Twirler 3, or a special quest chain, or also having a specific reputation with that mistress (or even combined skill requirements like tongue twister + sissification, etc). Some may require high reputation to "reward" you, where other might require negative reputation to "punish" you. This would allow players to receive an ass worship session (for example) with a mistress that does not typically offer ass play choices, if the player is willing to work harder for those scenes. I like the idea of the following fetishes being included in the game: Blowjob Anal Footworship Bootworship Sexual Endurance/Stamina Cunnilingus Anilingus Handjob Sissification Bondage (allows unique functionality when restrained or gagged) Pain Tolerance Blueballs - 2 possible paths for either: 1. Characters that receive edging, or chastity cages. Blueballs could give bonus checks to various tasks like more stamina, health, worship checks, etc. or 2. if a player wears chastity or is edged, they might loose control of their climax in "inconvenient" times or battles if they don't have levels in blueballs) Desensitize Taste (opens options for being able to accept various bodily fluids: sweat, spit, cum, piss, etc, without taking negative penalties like vomiting, or debuffs) It would also be cool to have new path choices for playstyle. Like if I play a defiant/disobediant slave, certain mistresses will add new punishments to break me, like 1. A mistress locks an O ring gag on me, allowing any futa to take my oral virginity without giving me an option to resist 2. Forced feminization to add penalties or embarrassed/humiliated debuffs, if I don't have the necessary Sissification skills 3. Using bondage restraints to make working the mines tougher lowering my max stamina when restrained. 4. Mistress uses chastity cage on the player, adding different debufs unless I have the proper "blueballs" skills Alternatively, playing super submissive and obedient might cause some of the other slaves to take advantage of you as well. I also like the option of pet play. If a player is super submissive, they might be put into a role of various mistresses desired pet (goblin might make you their pig, Samira makes you their dog, Za’Ress makes you their cat, etc) This would also offer new clothing variety as well. My suggestions are intended to be as inclusive as possible for players to enjoy their specific fetishes. Some people won't play a game that has certain fetishes, so if possible, having a fetish checklist in the options to disable undesired fetishes for specific players, might keep them in the game as well.

A.Schado

I see intuition as being able to read what gets a mistress off - you sense whether this mistress wants you on your back so she can ride your face, or expects you to loving lick her boots in subservience, or adopt the position as her toilet, or get that strap-on she's wearing slick and ready to pound your ass . . . This could be triggered by how she dresses, her actions (she looks longingly at your ass . . . though is it to whip or fuck) etc. I think masochism is better as a trait as by its nature its innate not learned - I guess if you look at cultivating that quality it could be either. Plot wise as a trait a character could be told that he begins to feel the pain turning into pleasure . . . does he embrace it? Asa trait like so many it could be enhanced as the character levels up.

Darktoz

Awesome! Don't be sorry, I like it when people take their time and share their ideas! I agree with almost everything you say, especially the part where you really "make your own character". that is something I am trying to achieve. I think of chastity as a state rather than a skill: You could for example lose more willpower while in chastity, but get a bonus on your pleasing skills. same could work for feminization, or other stuff like having a cruel collar or shock device around your neck. The part where you get a fav scene with your fav mistress would mean that ingame I would have to render every possible scene for every mistress in the game. In the long run that would be too much work, so I doubt that is going to happen, unless maybe she's a key character of the game. I agree with certain fetishes should be optional, but I think I already do that in Femdom City and CbDE, where you can select yourself what you want to do. I don't think that for example if someone doesn't like futanari they should be not visible anymore in the game or something like that. Thanks for the detailed feedback :)

Bagendenten

Having an ugly and low status mistresse and futa would be quite degrading and enjoyable too, maybe even more so.

Darktoz

I think so, too. Also makes you appreciate the high level mistresses a bit more ;)

Bagendenten

Gamezdude, you mean like role reversal? The wife is out working/hunting and providing for the family, while the husband stays at home nursing the children and taking care of his wife? The game Hard Love has something like that doesn't it?

BeneathUK

OK fair enough and interesting to hear that point of view. I don't see it that way myself. I quite enjoy humiliation fetishes and having a female Mistress do forced bi is extremely humiliating because it's not your autonomous choice, much like toilet play (I'm not especially into that myself but it's still a form of humiliation). But you're right, that's probably best left as a selectable option.

Gamezdude

Eh I was thinking in terms of going beyond worship like adhoc massages etc. I didn't really think it through gameplay wise :/

Patreon_of_the_Arts

It might be an interesting idea to have each mistress focus on a specific fetish; like one that prefers anal stuff and another that prefers dick stuff etc... regardless I've enjoyed everything that you've made so far, keep up the great work! :)

soumis1507

I would add "toilet training" as a skill

dark_dragon

I think toilet slavery shulde be in the game but you already know this but maybe shomthing more to it you know then just pee maybe if its a futa useing you maybe she will skull fuck you after she is done or if its a normal woman then maybe she will facesit you and grind on your face and When it comes to level stuff i dont think it shuld be to hard to level up like in CBDE its to much shit you have to do to level mine mine mine kill kill kill i dont think it shuld be to much of a punishment getting to higher level so that you Get better mistresses but i like the idea that you have to fight alittel to Get where you want to be but the low level mistresses shuldent be to ugly ether becus well (boner kill😂😂) but ofc this is just my opinion😊 keep up the good work just take your time and make the game great...what am i talking about you always do😊

Darktoz

yes, that's my idea as well. should be more than one specific fetish though, otherwise it might be that your favourite looking mistress does nothing that you're into ;)

Darktoz

I was thinking about something like "Swallow" or "Receiption", which would make the skill a bit more versatile.

dark_dragon

I cant wait to Get dominated by futa demons and deamon woman this is going to be fun😊😁

Darktoz

what the fuck are you talking about!?

Arthas

Well i don't see why you can't have boot/foot slavery on a futa mistresss tho? Twice the fun ;)

Arthas

Could be a great idea if you think of it in a "human furniture" kind of perspective :)

Tami carlton

Don't think it needs to be a skill

soumis1507

Well maybe you're not into it but thrust me it is a skill and needs training to be done correctly even in real life

dark_dragon

Am just cheking patreon like every hour am so looking forward to this:D

1375

not only you haha