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This is it. The Series Finale for Stranger Things. Thanks for rewatching this with us!

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Guru_Rick_

What more can I say at this point?? I dare say there will hardly be another series like this in our lifetime, if I may say so

Jennywocky

Gratz guys, you made it through! I'll watch it through with you this weekend when I get some time -- really curious about your thoughts about the climax + the aftermath. :)

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2026-11-08 18:00 Part 1: The Final Battle: You can see the sad look in Elle’s eyes when she says goodbye to Mike that first time as they’re splitting up to carry out the plan. (This is all harder to watch when you know what’s coming…) Pretty amusing Jonathan instructs everyone on the best way to scale the radio tower – after all those times Steve and he thrashed each other racing to the top! Murray is always good for a laugh, but I’m also glad he gets his heroic moment later taking out that chopper. I really like that Mike was never put off by Will’s feelings, he had a pretty mature response. It didn’t affect how he felt about Will and in fact probably cemented their friendship because Will no longer has to pretend about anything. Max was needed for Kali and Elle to navigate Henry’s mind -- but yeah, it’s a little creepy when she first crosses over into the mindspace via that wet tiled floor. Their plan to win the kids over to their side was sheer genius btw. It’s good to see Steve and Jonathan come together, admitting they are there for each other even while keeping up the pretense of loathing each other. Vecna’s the worst, manipulating Hopper into knocking Elle out of his mind for him, via the most painful ways possible, preying off Hopper’s deepest fears. But that’s what Henry does. He’s a master at this. Yet Holly the Heroic is there to hold it together! She’s been tempered by her past experience and successfully leads that whole herd of kids to safety. Wow! Derek is also the man when he flips Henry off, lol! He’s using his Dipshit powers for good! Hopper can’t save both espers at first, so naturally he grabs Elle first and retreats – and although he doesn’t trust Kali worth crap, he goes back for her mainly because Elle wants him to. It’s another affirmation of how he loves Elle. Hats off to you both for logging enough Grey’s Anatomy and ER viewing hours to diagnose Kali’s gutshot, lol! I really like the conversations between Hopper and Elle this episode. Just some really nice stuff that doesn’t always play safe, including Elle pointing out that – no matter how much Hopper loves her – she’s not a replacement for Sarah and is in a different situation than Sarah was. It’s a hard thing for him to hear, but it’s a testament to how good a relationship he and Elle have, that they can talk like this. So we find out even Henry was a victim of sorts – he was not born an esper, he was made one by a cosmic artifact from The Abyss, sent by the Mind Flayer to invade our world, and the original experience of his transformation was far from pleasant. But I am glad Henry doubled down in the face of Will’s pleas, versus suddenly repenting – it felt far more honest, he was too far in to back out, and I don’t think it would have sat well story-wise. All Henry had was the Mind Flayer, in a twisted symbiotic cycle of need and purpose, and to become “ordinary” again (despite his horrific origin) wasn’t something he could ultimately embrace. Three cheers for our D&D group totally gaming the shit out of that boss encounter – we RPG’ers do well in survival situations, we’ve been rehearsing weird scenarios like this for years! Who murdered Vecna? “Joyce did it… with the axe… in the Mind Flayer cave!” Ta-da. It was nice that, with Murray getting his moment, Joyce also got hers. It took as many whacks as Lizzie Borden supposedly needed to murder her parents, but she got the job done! So, Elle’s decision – I like that it wasn’t a decision made of fear, or despair, or another basis that would have felt like surrender, and I think that last moment with Mike was important. Elle made it in a fully deliberate way, out of love and grace, in acceptance of the situation, and she exuded real peace and even gratitude as she closed her eyes at the end. (If you guys watched the first three Matrix films, it reminds me of Neo’s expression when he embraces his destiny at the end of Revolutions.) Viewers landed in different places, but I do think it was one of the ballsier things the Duffers did this season, especially after the lack of casualties in the finale. So you guys probably missed all the controversies surrounding this conclusion to The Abyss chapter (resulting in only a 7.4 IMDB episode score… not bad, but less than a lot of other episodes). Briefly, some fans were expecting a whole army of creatures in that fight, rather than just one big boss (since they were in The Abyss world), so they felt let down. The Duffers believed there had been lots of Demogorgon fights already this season and that Vecna was caught off-guard by Elle and the gang’s direct assault, hence no time to summon an army. I was okay with that choice, and this isn’t Lord of the Rings and the Battle of Five Armies, Three Zillion Orcs, and a Cluster of Rock Trolls. The fact that there were no casualties, despite the enormity of the Mind Flayer and the group only having conventional weapons, also felt too easy to some viewers. I still thought it was pretty harrowing, and honestly the scale of the Mind Flayer was awesome – this final episode did release in the theater the same night it released on Netflix, and I’m sure on the big screen it looked amazing. (And, uh, Nancy's a Boss!) [Will post about The Aftermath later]
2026-11-08 01:07 Part 1: The Final Battle: You can see the sad look in Elle’s eyes when she says goodbye to Mike that first time as they’re splitting up to carry out the plan. (This is all harder to watch when you know what’s coming…) Pretty amusing Jonathan instructs everyone on the best way to scale the radio tower – after all those times Steve and he thrashed each other racing to the top! Murray is always good for a laugh, but I’m also glad he gets his heroic moment later taking out that chopper. I really like that Mike was never put off by Will’s feelings, he had a pretty mature response. It didn’t affect how he felt about Will and in fact probably cemented their friendship because Will no longer has to pretend about anything. Max was needed for Kali and Elle to navigate Henry’s mind -- but yeah, it’s a little creepy when she first crosses over into the mindspace via that wet tiled floor. Their plan to win the kids over to their side was sheer genius btw. It’s good to see Steve and Jonathan come together, admitting they are there for each other even while keeping up the pretense of loathing each other. Vecna’s the worst, manipulating Hopper into knocking Elle out of his mind for him, via the most painful ways possible, preying off Hopper’s deepest fears. But that’s what Henry does. He’s a master at this. Yet Holly the Heroic is there to hold it together! She’s been tempered by her past experience and successfully leads that whole herd of kids to safety. Wow! Derek is also the man when he flips Henry off, lol! He’s using his Dipshit powers for good! Hopper can’t save both espers at first, so naturally he grabs Elle first and retreats – and although he doesn’t trust Kali worth crap, he goes back for her mainly because Elle wants him to. It’s another affirmation of how he loves Elle. Hats off to you both for logging enough Grey’s Anatomy and ER viewing hours to diagnose Kali’s gutshot, lol! If the damage is JUST to the intestines, yes, it's survivable and/or take a long time to die. However, depending on what is hit, there could be a lot of blood loss that could kill someone in a short period of time. It's really just about luck. I really like the conversations between Hopper and Elle this episode. Just some really nice stuff that doesn’t always play safe, including Elle pointing out that – no matter how much Hopper loves her – she’s not a replacement for Sarah and is in a different situation than Sarah was. It’s a hard thing for him to hear, but it’s a testament to how good a relationship he and Elle have, that they can talk like this. So we find out even Henry was a victim of sorts – he was not born an esper, he was made one by a cosmic artifact from The Abyss, sent by the Mind Flayer to invade our world, and the original experience of his transformation was far from pleasant. But I am glad Henry doubled down in the face of Will’s pleas, versus suddenly repenting – it felt far more honest, he was too far in to back out, and I don’t think it would have sat well story-wise. All Henry had was the Mind Flayer, in a twisted symbiotic cycle of need and purpose, and to become “ordinary” again (despite his horrific origin) wasn’t something he could ultimately embrace. Three cheers for our D&D group totally gaming the shit out of that boss encounter – we RPG’ers do well in survival situations, we’ve been rehearsing weird scenarios like this for years! Who murdered Vecna? “Joyce did it… with the axe… in the Mind Flayer cave!” Ta-da. It was nice that, with Murray getting his moment, Joyce also got hers. It took as many whacks as Lizzie Borden supposedly needed to murder her parents, but she got the job done! So, Elle’s decision – I like that it wasn’t a decision made of fear, or despair, or another basis that would have felt like surrender, and I think that last moment with Mike was important. Elle made it in a fully deliberate way, out of love and grace, in acceptance of the situation, and she exuded real peace and even gratitude as she closed her eyes at the end. (If you guys watched the first three Matrix films, it reminds me of Neo’s expression when he embraces his destiny at the end of Revolutions.) Viewers landed in different places, but I do think it was one of the ballsier things the Duffers did this season, especially after the lack of casualties in the finale. So you guys probably missed all the controversies surrounding this conclusion to The Abyss chapter (resulting in only a 7.4 IMDB episode score… not bad, but less than a lot of other episodes). Briefly, some fans were expecting a whole army of creatures in that fight, rather than just one big boss (since they were in The Abyss world), so they felt let down. The Duffers believed there had been lots of Demogorgon fights already this season and that Vecna was caught off-guard by Elle and the gang’s direct assault, hence no time to summon an army. I was okay with that choice, and this isn’t Lord of the Rings and the Battle of Five Armies, Three Zillion Orcs, and a Cluster of Rock Trolls. The fact that there were no casualties, despite the enormity of the Mind Flayer and the group only having conventional weapons, also felt too easy to some viewers. I still thought it was pretty harrowing, and honestly the scale of the Mind Flayer was awesome – this final episode did release in the theater the same night it released on Netflix, and I’m sure on the big screen it looked amazing. (And, uh, Nancy's a Boss!) [Will post about The Aftermath later]

Part 1: The Final Battle: You can see the sad look in Elle’s eyes when she says goodbye to Mike that first time as they’re splitting up to carry out the plan. (This is all harder to watch when you know what’s coming…) Pretty amusing Jonathan instructs everyone on the best way to scale the radio tower – after all those times Steve and he thrashed each other racing to the top! Murray is always good for a laugh, but I’m also glad he gets his heroic moment later taking out that chopper. I really like that Mike was never put off by Will’s feelings, he had a pretty mature response. It didn’t affect how he felt about Will and in fact probably cemented their friendship because Will no longer has to pretend about anything. Max was needed for Kali and Elle to navigate Henry’s mind -- but yeah, it’s a little creepy when she first crosses over into the mindspace via that wet tiled floor. Their plan to win the kids over to their side was sheer genius btw. It’s good to see Steve and Jonathan come together, admitting they are there for each other even while keeping up the pretense of loathing each other. Vecna’s the worst, manipulating Hopper into knocking Elle out of his mind for him, via the most painful ways possible, preying off Hopper’s deepest fears. But that’s what Henry does. He’s a master at this. Yet Holly the Heroic is there to hold it together! She’s been tempered by her past experience and successfully leads that whole herd of kids to safety. Wow! Derek is also the man when he flips Henry off, lol! He’s using his Dipshit powers for good! Hopper can’t save both espers at first, so naturally he grabs Elle first and retreats – and although he doesn’t trust Kali worth crap, he goes back for her mainly because Elle wants him to. It’s another affirmation of how he loves Elle. Hats off to you both for logging enough Grey’s Anatomy and ER viewing hours to diagnose Kali’s gutshot, lol! If the damage is JUST to the intestines, yes, it's survivable and/or take a long time to die. However, depending on what is hit, there could be a lot of blood loss that could kill someone in a short period of time. It's really just about luck. I really like the conversations between Hopper and Elle this episode. Just some really nice stuff that doesn’t always play safe, including Elle pointing out that – no matter how much Hopper loves her – she’s not a replacement for Sarah and is in a different situation than Sarah was. It’s a hard thing for him to hear, but it’s a testament to how good a relationship he and Elle have, that they can talk like this. So we find out even Henry was a victim of sorts – he was not born an esper, he was made one by a cosmic artifact from The Abyss, sent by the Mind Flayer to invade our world, and the original experience of his transformation was far from pleasant. But I am glad Henry doubled down in the face of Will’s pleas, versus suddenly repenting – it felt far more honest, he was too far in to back out, and I don’t think it would have sat well story-wise. All Henry had was the Mind Flayer, in a twisted symbiotic cycle of need and purpose, and to become “ordinary” again (despite his horrific origin) wasn’t something he could ultimately embrace. Three cheers for our D&D group totally gaming the shit out of that boss encounter – we RPG’ers do well in survival situations, we’ve been rehearsing weird scenarios like this for years! Who murdered Vecna? “Joyce did it… with the axe… in the Mind Flayer cave!” Ta-da. It was nice that, with Murray getting his moment, Joyce also got hers. It took as many whacks as Lizzie Borden supposedly needed to murder her parents, but she got the job done! So, Elle’s decision – I like that it wasn’t a decision made of fear, or despair, or another basis that would have felt like surrender, and I think that last moment with Mike was important. Elle made it in a fully deliberate way, out of love and grace, in acceptance of the situation, and she exuded real peace and even gratitude as she closed her eyes at the end. (If you guys watched the first three Matrix films, it reminds me of Neo’s expression when he embraces his destiny at the end of Revolutions.) Viewers landed in different places, but I do think it was one of the ballsier things the Duffers did this season, especially after the lack of casualties in the finale. So you guys probably missed all the controversies surrounding this conclusion to The Abyss chapter (resulting in only a 7.4 IMDB episode score… not bad, but less than a lot of other episodes). Briefly, some fans were expecting a whole army of creatures in that fight, rather than just one big boss (since they were in The Abyss world), so they felt let down. The Duffers believed there had been lots of Demogorgon fights already this season and that Vecna was caught off-guard by Elle and the gang’s direct assault, hence no time to summon an army. I was okay with that choice, and this isn’t Lord of the Rings and the Battle of Five Armies, Three Zillion Orcs, and a Cluster of Rock Trolls. The fact that there were no casualties, despite the enormity of the Mind Flayer and the group only having conventional weapons, also felt too easy to some viewers. I still thought it was pretty harrowing, and honestly the scale of the Mind Flayer was awesome – this final episode did release in the theater the same night it released on Netflix, and I’m sure on the big screen it looked amazing. (And, uh, Nancy's a Boss!) [Will post about The Aftermath later]

Jennywocky

Part 2: The Aftermath: I was so glad they gave us about 45 minutes to wind the entire series down. The series really needed that much time to find satisfactory endings for its cast. Personally, for everything this series was (flaws and strengths), I felt like it stuck the landing, and the ending felt satisfying to me, coming full circle even at the end with Mike and friends passing off their gaming legacy to the next generation of kids to discover their own stories around the table they had shared all these years. Max + Lucas 4ever! It made me SO happy to see them both together, along with Max engaging the people in her life and actually not being alone anymore. I don’t know if I can put Lucas in my Top Five (because he didn’t get the meatiest moments), but I just adore him and the person he’s become by the end of this series. I love him because he’s there for Max, who I AM fierce about – he refuses to let her go and sticks with her, ride or die, to the end. They both earned the happiness they are finding together. While Mike’s actual dad remained a kind of disengaged one-dimensional character, I love how Hopper fathers Mike (who might have one day been a kind of son-in-law to him) when he’s struggling over the loss of Elle. Hop has been there before himself, and he doesn’t shy away from stepping in to try to free Mike from his feelings of weakness and guilt, without sugar-coating any of it. Pretty wild seeing how the clothing and hairstyles changed just in that year and a half since the end of the Upside Down. Also, after everything that Dustin and his friends had faced in the Upside Down, pissing off the principal with a wild graduation speech doesn’t faze any of them, lol. I really REALLY loved the meetup with Steve, Jonathan, Nancy, and Robin on the radio station roof. Felt so real. And they’ll always be connected, even if life takes them far afield. Nancy is also forging her own path, as she’s learned to do. Great writing. Hop’s proposal to Joyce was great and a long time in coming. Glad they finally got together officially, they are two more people who deserve the world. Laughed when during the gaming session they advised Will to cast Meteor Swarm. At least they were outside in the town square at the time, but there could be a lot of collateral damage from that! So Elle’s fate is left up in the air purposefully by the Duffers, and the fan base remains equally divided. I actually like this angle because it truly was staged as unclear when it happened, and what another character chooses to believe is a choice that reflects on them as a character and how each comes to term with Elle’s loss (since, alive or dead, she’s still gone). The cast themselves differs on Elle’s fate; the actor playing Lucas actually believes Elle is dead, for example. As you can imagine with a cultural touchpoint like Stranger Things, fans who were dissatisfied by this ending wove an entire conspiracy theory (called the “Conformity Gate”) that E8’s happy ending was just a vision the kids were experiencing in a trance created by Vecna [based on a lot of little inconsistencies in the episode’s camera work and colors and the ticking clock sounds] and that there would be a “surprise” E9 drop that would have the “real” ending. The Duffers said this wasn’t true, and obviously no E9 was ever released. The date this “surprise E9” would be released actually caused a Netflix crash when fans overloaded the service on the supposed E9 release date, waiting for this supposed drop. For me, I felt like the generally happy ending still fit with expectations for this series (and honestly, it’s tonally like Stephen King’s “IT” where the gang experienced a few losses, but the story’s ending shows them moving on with their lives and picking up the pieces in a generally bittersweet but still satisfying and beautiful fashion – and obviously King was an influence on the Duffers). The entire closing credits was just so wonderful, with all the character panels modeled after the AD&D 1st edition rulebook (both the art style and the text appearing on the screen), set to David Bowie’s “Heroes.” I personally don’t put Stranger Things up there with my “top tier” TV series (like Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Mr. Robot, Dark, Six Feet Under, The Leftovers, Attack on Titan), but I think Season 4 and much of Season 5 had the strongest writing of the series, was quite moving at times, and for this particular show, I think it stuck the landing in the best way it could have ever done. It moved me a number of times. So aside from no one actually dying in the last season (aside from Elle’s nebulous disappearance), which seems a little far-fetched and yet I’m okay with it, I don’t have any notes! I agree with you guys about how big the finale was, the montages were not at all forced, there were emotional callbacks, how Vecna was originally a victim and yet chose his own fate (so we can still feel satisfaction over his death as a villain), etc. Definitely wild to see those flashback moments and how YOUNG all of these kids were when this series started. This show really did launch some of their careers (like Finn Wolfhard and Millie Bobby Brown, although this wasn’t Millie’s first role but just the one that gave her visibility). I felt like Sadie Sink though would be the biggest and that is bearing out, especially with her cast as a beloved Marvel character in the most recent Spiderman film (which is now the third highest grossing film of all time). Also Maya Hawke is showing she’s not just a nepo baby (of two of my favorite actors), she’s actually got the chops. DIPSHIT DEREK! WOOOOOO!!!! I love for him that he’s part of the next-gen gaming group, while still smack-talking everyone… be delightful, but never lose that dipshittery, Derek! I thought Holly was also successful as a hail-mary character that came out of nowhere for this season. Hilariously, Mrs. Wheeler’s first name is Karen (yes, she’s a “Karen”!) but she’s not a Karen stereotype by the end. I agree with you guys about Hopper. David Harbour starts as a washed-up mess and rises to the occasion every time – even when he screws up, his heart is in the right place, and he never ever gives up on the people he cares about. And despite the heartbreaks he suffers, he never ultimately gives into despair or uses it as an excuse to behave badly. I dunno about my top five: Probably Will, Hopper, Elle for the main three. But there are some characters who were not in every season: Vecna, Eddie, Erica, Max. Also, while I never had an affinity for Steve, he showed immense character growth from Season 1 and was a rather unique character – an “alpha” guy who ends up embracing more family/maternal instincts (if that makes sense… he felt like a den mother at times, lol!) Ken has a good point about how Steve is a great “character partner” with much of the remaining cast. Nancy’s arc was neat too. Agree with Ken’s comments about how Max had the same sad painful past as the villains, yet she rose above that and kept faith in the power of hope rather than falling completely into bitterness as she could have. Papa is a bold choice, but I agree Matthew Modine portrayed him perfectly – sincere, committed, ambitious, and he authentically cared about Elle on SOME level but it was also corrupted by his overall goals. Linda Hamilton was also a force to be reckoned with. Thanks for watching this, guys! I enjoyed this watch more than my prior ones (my third watch of S4, my second for S5), and it was great to watch it with you and hear the honesty of what you were feeling and thinking throughout. I appreciate so much how you engage on a personal level what you view.